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Tramway Notes - trawled on the web - 1

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

G'day all,

From time-to-time, as happens when one gets side-tracked whilst
looking for something on the web, one finds something and thinks it
may be of interest to others.

The following shows just how versatile tramways and light railways can
be. Readers comments/further information are cordially invited.

cheers Phil

From: http://oceans1.customer.netspace.net.au/vic-wrecks.html

" Sussex - A three-masted wooden ship, 1305 tons. Built at Glasgow,
1853. Lbd 230 x 32.2 x 22 ft. Captain Collard. Ran on to a reef one
and a half miles west of Barwon Heads, Victoria, 31 December 1871. A
light seen was mistaken for Cape Schank; the ship's course was changed
and the mistake discovered too late. She had left Plymouth on 9
October with forty-seven passengers and general cargo on her twenty-
eighth visit to Australia. Immediately the ship struck, blue lights
and rockets were fired and all passengers were warned to prepare to
abandon her. The seas drove her over the rocks on to sand before a
boat was launched but this capsized and six crew drowned. Nothing
could be done from the shore as the sea was sweeping over the ship.
The tug War Hawk arrived from Queenscliff and passengers and crew were
transfered. The ship's dog swam ashore. Other vessels to attend
included the paddle steamers Titan and Challange, tug Mystery, and the
Queenscliff lifeboat. The ship and cargo were sold at auction; a wire
rope from the foremast to the beach was used for hauling boats loaded
with cargo to and fro, the boats being towed into shallow water by a
team of twelve bullocks, and an iron tramway was laid down the
sandhill to haul the goods from the beach to drays which carried them
to the Customs. The wreckage lies often buried in sand, four
kilometres west of Barwon Heads."


Daunting?

John Browning
 

Getting a balance between deep/detailed knowledge and material that is more
accessible is always a challenge in the make-up of �Light Railways�. We need
to recognise that most people go through the process of development from being
novices to becoming knowledgeable.

As one of the current editors of "Light Railways" and the instigator of "Light
Railway News" as it existed from 1977 until the introduction of the new style
magazine in 1998, I have always believed that the future of the Society is in
attracting the younger members. I suggest that this has been generally
successful, especially since the launch of the new style magazine.

High-class presentation is an important aspect of "Light Railways", and we are
very lucky to have the professional talents of Bruce Belbin in this area. The
inclusion of news sections for Industrial and Tourist/Heritage is I believe an
aspect that many readers appreciate.

The remainder of the magazine reflects the tradition of the Society over a 45
year period. There is a very important need for both well-researched detailed
historical articles and for lighter pieces that take little for granted. We
are constantly on the lookout for contributors of both types, and a very
pleasing aspect of our magazine is the large numbers of authors who have
contributed.

What both types of articles need in common is that they should be readable and
clear to follow. Of course, the more detailed articles may require more effort
from the reader but if our articles are not clear and easy to follow for those
who have little prior knowledge, the editors have failed in their job.

So we require contributors who are happy to work with the editors to ensure
that the final results meet our readers' needs. Not everyone feels confident
in their ability to write polished articles, but the editors are more than
happy to assist in getting material "into shape" as required. New authors get
a great thrill from seeing their work published.

Contributions in the form of photographs are always welcome and will always be
considered for inclusion. We could certainly do with more scale drawings that
are accurate and well-presented.

The editors are constantly trying to improve the magazine and are always
grateful for any comments and suggestions that may be of assistance.

It would be interesting to hear from group members their comments on how the
magazine is performing and if there are any further ideas for catering better
to our wide and varied readership, or better still expanding the readership.

I might add that the Society has been very lucky in having a visionary and
capable group serving as Council members. A great feature is that they have
always been prepared to take risks and try new things. They have also shown
confidence in others who have come up with ideas. Inevitably, sometimes things
haven�t always worked out the way they were meant to, but in today�s world you
have to change to stay alive.

John Browning


War Department (UK) link

Mark Trainbrain
 

G'day All,
This website has just been re-instated
www.wdlr.org.uk
including photos of some surviving WD locos in Queensland.

Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Aus
www.geocities.com/mark_the_train_brain/index

moderator: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausnarrowgauge (general Aussie NG
modelling)
owner: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O-14 (2'gauge O scale gauge
modelling)


FF&F launch at Lithgow

BM
 

New members to this group may not be aware that a major project of the LRRSA
since 1999 has been researching the iron and steel industry of Lithgow,
including associated mines, quarries and railways, in association with the
Lithgow District Historical Society and the State Mine Museum.

That project has culminated on the LRRSA's latest book, 'Furnace, Fire &
Forge: Lithgow's iron and steel industry 1874-1932'. The years of hard work
have culminated in the delivery of the book to Melbourne by the printer on
Friday and the formal book launch is scheduled to be held at Lithgow on
Friday, 15 September.

There has been some uncertainty about the FF&F book launch over the past
week. Through Gerard Martin, Member for Bathurst, we had arranged for Bob
Carr to do the launch on the grounds that he wrote the Foreword when he was
Premier. The 15 September was set as the date to suit Bob's schedule. I saw
Bob at an event on 15 August when he personally assured me how much he was
looking forward to the launch. On 21 August Lithgow Council received word
from Carr's office that he will now be overseas on that date!

There has been some anxiety over the past week as Gerard Martin and I have
been working through a list of potential alternates, but the late notice was
proving a problem.

The good news is that Gerard called last night to advise that John Della
Bosca will launch Fire, Furnace & Forge at Lithgow on 15 September. Not only
is he available, but Gerard advises that he is most enthusiastic about the
prospect. John is Minister for Commerce, Minister for Industrial Relations
and Minister for Finance, so there should be some useful links there. This
is a good outcome. I understand that John is an excellent speaker at such
forums and he also has close family links to Lithgow, so he will be tackling
the task with some passion!

I should get a call from Della Bosca's personal secretary today and we will
arrange a meeting to brief him on the topic. We can now proceed with the
finalisation of details of the launch event. It will be at the Union Theatre
in Bridge Street, at 10.30 for 11am start. In addition to a speech or two
and some morning tea, displays relating to the history of the iron and
steelworks will be set up at the Hall. This building was originally
Oddfellows Hall, later becoming the Union Theatre. It was the scene of a
number of events featured in FF&F, including the official banquet for the
opening of the blast furnace on 13 May 1907.

Following the launch activities at the Union Theatre, it is planned to do
conducted tours of the two key locations in Lithgow - Blast Furnace Park and
the old ironworks/ steelworks site. I have also arranged with the Bathurst
District Historical Society to do a presentation and book signing at their
premises at 11am on the Saturday morning.

A review of FF&F will appear in the October issue of 'Light Railways'.

Bob McKillop


Database Update

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Morning,
Just been working in the database section of the group.

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/database

** More non air hoppers added to the listing!

** Database of preserved industrial diesels (excluding sugar industry)

** Database of preserved industrial steam (excluding sugar industry)

** Database of members who would like to contact people with similar
interests.

Once again we ask any members with information to contribute to what
will be a great reference tool for members of the group.

Regards
Brad


Ian Holt

BM
 

I wish to advise that Ian Holt passed away over the weekend and his funeral
will be held in Lithgow today.

Few members of this group will have known of Ian, but as President of the
Lithgow District Historical Society over many years he plays an important
role in preserving elements of our industrial railway history, both through
the Eskbank House Museum and the wonderful records collected by the LDHS.

Ian was a key member of the research team for the FF&F project. He made the
records of the LDHS available to the team, especially the great photo
collection that is so well represented in the book, he undertook specific
research tasks, notably locating the bank records of the old Eskbank Iron
Company, and he served as a constant reference point on people and events. I
got to know Ian well through the project. I stayed at his house on several
occasions and we made excursions around the area together, including one to
Sodwells to locate and photograph the original GWR railway viaducts built by
Williams & Blunt - the photograph on p.45 of FF&F was taken during this
excursion.

Ian had been ill for some time. As his energy sagged, the LDHS found it
needed to hand over its key functions to Council. Eskbank House is now
managed by Council and the LDHS records have been relocated to the Local
History section of the new Lithgow Regional Library. Ian has now been spared
his suffering, but I expect he would have preferred to 'hold on' to see FF&F
in its final form.

Bob McKillop


Tribute to Greame Breydon

sawdustoz <pevans@...>
 

Hi All,

A tribute to the late Greame Breydon has been posted on the ATR website
at

http://www.atr.org.au/specials/breydon_tribute.htm

His role in the heritage and tourist railway groups will be a hard one
to fill.

Cheers,
PeterE.


New info added to databases

trent_pegler
 

Hi all,

I have just added some info on:

Marjorie, Kitson No 9 & 10 in the Preserved Industrial Steam
Locomotives database.

Abermain 1022, A1890 and Ayrfield 308 in the non air hopper database.

Former BHP-Newcastle locos 34, 42, 43, 53 & 54 in the Preserved
Industrial Diesel Locomotives database.

Trent Pegler


Question for cane bin modellers!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Guys,
What colours are most appropriate for painting
cane bins? Have a few here to be done on the weekend
but not sure what to use.

Any help appreciated.
Brad

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Re: Database Update

Chris Stratton
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Brad" <alcogoodwin@y...> wrote:

Morning,
Just been working in the database section of the group.

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/database

** More non air hoppers added to the listing!

** Database of preserved industrial diesels (excluding sugar
industry)

** Database of preserved industrial steam (excluding sugar
industry)

** Database of members who would like to contact people with
similar
interests.

Once again we ask any members with information to contribute to
what
will be a great reference tool for members of the group.

Regards
Brad

I've just added a bunch of records to the preserved diesel database,
A couple of suggestions:

I can't edit the records once they are added. I spelt museum wrong
in a couple and I can't change it.
Maybe "Previous Owner" should be "Original Owner" as some locos have
had multiple owners.
Is the "Number/Name" field supposed to be the original number or the
current number in the case of locos that have been renumbered? I
added ER&S No.4 as 4 but it is now numbered 3 at Coal Creek.

Regards,
Chris
ps I suppose I had better introduce myself - Chris Stratton,
Wollongong resident and BlueScope Steel employee, Secretary of the
Illawarra Division of the NSWRTM (member for 27 years), ARHS (NSW)
member for a few years, sometime contributor of Port Kembla info and
pictures to Light Railways magazine although I haven't joined LRRSA
as yet. I am interested in anything on rails, any gauge, steam
diesel or electric.


Re: Rye Limeworks

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

Further to Colin's interesting list below, a tramway is shown on the
pre-WWII Inch/Mile Military map, running southwards, on the east side
of Sandy Road (now Truemans Road), from the Point Nepean Road [Melway
169 E3], for a distance of about 2 kms. South of the Truemans Rd
Recreation Reserve, the line turns more south-easterly and seems to
terminate about Melway 169 E8.

Interestingly, the rail per the auction catalogue equates to over 2.2
MILES of track, but the sleepers are only sufficient for about 1.8
MILES. [note that the tonnages given in Lots 90, 91 and 92 do not
agree with the lengths/weights]

Picture Australia (www.pictureaustralia.org) has several pics of Rye
pier (with jetty tramway), however the Peninsula Lime & Fertilizer
works (on the cnr of Point Nepean Rd and Sandy Rd) were about half-way
between the Rye jetty and the Rosebud jetty so output could have gone
either way.

Observations: That Rye was used for the shipment of lime is evidenced
by the wreck of the ketch "Eivion" c.1920 at Rye pier, whilst engaged
in the lime trade. see Victorian Heritage Register No.S 345

Interested researchers may wish to get a copy of "An Archaeological
and Historical Overview of Limeburning in Victoria" see
http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/page.asp?ID=191 or try Vic Info in
Collins St. Inexpensive, usually kept "out the back" as it's not a hot
seller!

I wonder if Lot 63 was a home-built job, utilising an old tractor and
converting it to rail? I'd love to see a photo - David, maybe one of
the historical societies on the peninsula can assist.

cheers Phil



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Colin Harvey" <harveycr@o...> wrote:

David it must be your lucky day. While trawling through a box of
State Electicity Commission Records at the Public Record Office
yesterday (VPRS 8892/P1, Unit 360), I came across the auction
catalogue for the Rye plant. Details of the lots of possible tramway
interest are listed below.

Colin


J W Styles & Son auction catalogue: Brick Making and Lime
manufacturers Plant at Peninsula Lime & Fertiliser Co., Point Nepean
Road, Rye. Auction date 31 March 1941.

Lot 11 : Jim Crow bender
Lot 63 : 4-cylinder Wolseley Tractor, with 24 in gauge flanged steel
wheels, roller chain and sprocket drive.
Lot 72 : 24 Steel tippling trucks, 1 cubic yard capacity, with 24 in
gauge axles and steel flanged wheels
Lot 73 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might
be a rail vehicle]
Lot 74 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might
be a rail vehicle]
Lot 75 : 2 steel end flap trucks, with 24 in gauge flanged wheels.
Lot 76 : 6 tipping trucks, dismantled with 24 in gauge wheels.
Lot 82 : Fordson tractor engine and gear box.
Lot 89 : 1-18-2-0 of 24 lb steel rails, 30-18ft lengths.
Lot 90 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 91 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 92 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 93 : 5-11-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 78-24ft lengths.
Lot 94 : 1-2-3-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 32-16ft lengths.
Lot 95 : 5-13-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 88-18ft lengths.
Lot 96 : 3-15-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 66-16ft lengths.
Lot 97 : 2-17-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 50-16ft lengths.
Lot 98 : 4-6-0-5 of 24 lb steel rails, 75-16ft 6in lengths.
Lot 99 : 5-4-1-24 of 15 lb steel rails, 156-15ft lengths.
Lot 100 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.
Lot 101 : 1-5-2-24 of 24 lb steel curved rails, 20-18ft lengths.
Lot 102 : 1 ton of 24 lb steel rails, 40-7ft lengths.
Lot 103 : 8-3-2-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 20-10ft lengths.
Lot 104 : 17-7-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 162-30ft lengths.
Lot 105 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.
Lot 106 : Lot assorted steel rails
Lot 107 : 6 sets 24 gauge steel rail points
Lot 110 : 2000 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in
Lot 111 : 100 - 36in pressed steel sleepers, 24in gauge
Lot 112 : 600 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in
Lot 113 : Large quantity assorted Red Gum sleepers
Lot 114 : Lot Fish Plates and Dogs


----- Original Message -----
From: david_axup
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Introduction


G'day All,

As a new member to the group I had better introduced myself. I live
in Melbourne and have had an interest in narrow gauge railways -
life size since I was a little tacker back in the distant past - and
more recently at 1:48 since I started modelling them.

I grew up on the lower end of the Mornington Peninsula in the '40s
and '50s far removed from the railway system but managed to get on
several ARHS trips anyway. A matter of abiding curiosity is the
lime industry on the Peninsula. There were several lime kilns at
the back of Rye one of which still had the remains of a narrow gauge
tramway at the kiln area. Rails and wheels and part of a right of
way which appeared to head towards Port Phillip was all that was
left in the early '50s. All trace of that kiln has now gone. As
the lime was transported to Melbourne and Geelong by small ship it
obviously had to get from the kiln to the sea. I have been
searching for years to see if there is any record of tramways in the
lower Peninsula area without any joy. If anyone has any information
as to their existence I would appreciate it. All I have found is
the record of the tramway that connected the pier at Sorrento to the
ocean beach and which was for passengers.

Cheers,

David Axup










Re: Question for cane bin modellers!

Ron & Hilary Martin <ronhil@...>
 

Brad

I've just posted pictures of modern 4 tonne and 8 tonne varieties,
photographed in FNQ (South Johnstone?) in 2003. These are in Photo Album
Ron's Bits & Pieces'

Ron M.

-------Original Message-------

From: BLI BLI
Date: 30/08/2006 9:50:27 PM
To: LocoShed; Queensland 1/48th; LRRSA Yahoogroup
Subject: [LRRSA] Question for cane bin modellers!

Guys,
What colours are most appropriate for painting
cane bins? Have a few here to be done on the weekend
but not sure what to use.

Any help appreciated.
Brad


Re: Rye Limeworks

David Axup
 

Phil and Colin,

Wonderful. The tramway alongside Truemans Road [Sandy Road] is the one
portions of which I remember as a young tacker. The bits that were left
were the old road bed out towards the landward end of the line at the
lime kiln. I shall follow up the leads you have both provided. I
missed the auction by 10 months – wasn’t born until January ‘42

Thank you for the leads.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Phil Rickard
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:49 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Rye Limeworks

Further to Colin's interesting list below, a tramway is shown on the
pre-WWII Inch/Mile Military map, running southwards, on the east side
of Sandy Road (now Truemans Road), from the Point Nepean Road [Melway
169 E3], for a distance of about 2 kms. South of the Truemans Rd
Recreation Reserve, the line turns more south-easterly and seems to
terminate about Melway 169 E8.

Interestingly, the rail per the auction catalogue equates to over 2.2
MILES of track, but the sleepers are only sufficient for about 1.8
MILES. [note that the tonnages given in Lots 90, 91 and 92 do not
agree with the lengths/weights]

Picture Australia (www.pictureaustralia.org) has several pics of Rye
pier (with jetty tramway), however the Peninsula Lime & Fertilizer
works (on the cnr of Point Nepean Rd and Sandy Rd) were about half-way
between the Rye jetty and the Rosebud jetty so output could have gone
either way.

Observations: That Rye was used for the shipment of lime is evidenced
by the wreck of the ketch "Eivion" c.1920 at Rye pier, whilst engaged
in the lime trade. see Victorian Heritage Register No.S 345

Interested researchers may wish to get a copy of "An Archaeological
and Historical Overview of Limeburning in Victoria" see
http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/page.asp?ID=191 or try Vic Info in
Collins St. Inexpensive, usually kept "out the back" as it's not a hot
seller!

I wonder if Lot 63 was a home-built job, utilising an old tractor and
converting it to rail? I'd love to see a photo - David, maybe one of
the historical societies on the peninsula can assist.

cheers Phil



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Colin Harvey" <harveycr@o...> wrote:

David it must be your lucky day. While trawling through a box of
State Electicity Commission Records at the Public Record Office
yesterday (VPRS 8892/P1, Unit 360), I came across the auction
catalogue for the Rye plant. Details of the lots of possible tramway
interest are listed below.

Colin


J W Styles & Son auction catalogue: Brick Making and Lime
manufacturers Plant at Peninsula Lime & Fertiliser Co., Point Nepean
Road, Rye. Auction date 31 March 1941.

Lot 11 : Jim Crow bender
Lot 63 : 4-cylinder Wolseley Tractor, with 24 in gauge flanged steel
wheels, roller chain and sprocket drive.
Lot 72 : 24 Steel tippling trucks, 1 cubic yard capacity, with 24 in
gauge axles and steel flanged wheels
Lot 73 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might
be a rail vehicle]
Lot 74 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might
be a rail vehicle]
Lot 75 : 2 steel end flap trucks, with 24 in gauge flanged wheels.
Lot 76 : 6 tipping trucks, dismantled with 24 in gauge wheels.
Lot 82 : Fordson tractor engine and gear box.
Lot 89 : 1-18-2-0 of 24 lb steel rails, 30-18ft lengths.
Lot 90 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 91 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 92 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 93 : 5-11-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 78-24ft lengths.
Lot 94 : 1-2-3-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 32-16ft lengths.
Lot 95 : 5-13-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 88-18ft lengths.
Lot 96 : 3-15-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 66-16ft lengths.
Lot 97 : 2-17-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 50-16ft lengths.
Lot 98 : 4-6-0-5 of 24 lb steel rails, 75-16ft 6in lengths.
Lot 99 : 5-4-1-24 of 15 lb steel rails, 156-15ft lengths.
Lot 100 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.
Lot 101 : 1-5-2-24 of 24 lb steel curved rails, 20-18ft lengths.
Lot 102 : 1 ton of 24 lb steel rails, 40-7ft lengths.
Lot 103 : 8-3-2-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 20-10ft lengths.
Lot 104 : 17-7-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 162-30ft lengths.
Lot 105 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.
Lot 106 : Lot assorted steel rails
Lot 107 : 6 sets 24 gauge steel rail points
Lot 110 : 2000 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in
Lot 111 : 100 - 36in pressed steel sleepers, 24in gauge
Lot 112 : 600 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in
Lot 113 : Large quantity assorted Red Gum sleepers
Lot 114 : Lot Fish Plates and Dogs


----- Original Message -----
From: david_axup
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Introduction


G'day All,

As a new member to the group I had better introduced myself. I live
in Melbourne and have had an interest in narrow gauge railways -
life size since I was a little tacker back in the distant past - and
more recently at 1:48 since I started modelling them.

I grew up on the lower end of the Mornington Peninsula in the '40s
and '50s far removed from the railway system but managed to get on
several ARHS trips anyway. A matter of abiding curiosity is the
lime industry on the Peninsula. There were several lime kilns at
the back of Rye one of which still had the remains of a narrow gauge
tramway at the kiln area. Rails and wheels and part of a right of
way which appeared to head towards Port Phillip was all that was
left in the early '50s. All trace of that kiln has now gone. As
the lime was transported to Melbourne and Geelong by small ship it
obviously had to get from the kiln to the sea. I have been
searching for years to see if there is any record of tramways in the
lower Peninsula area without any joy. If anyone has any information
as to their existence I would appreciate it. All I have found is
the record of the tramway that connected the pier at Sorrento to the
ocean beach and which was for passengers.

Cheers,

David Axup








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Re: Rye Limeworks

David Axup
 

Phil and Colin,

I had a look at the photos of the Rye Pier and they are very much as I
remember it. One of the photos in fact shows my father’s professional
fishing boat at anchor in the “gutter” as we called it. By the late
40’s early 50’s the tramway out the pier was used solely by the
professional fishermen to haul boxes of fish in from the shed at the
seaward end of the pier to their utes and fishing gear out to the shed
to load on to the boats – I did it many times. The trolley was a hand
propelled job which was padlocked with the half dozen professional
fishermen each having a key.

I knew of the Eivion as her wreck was supposed to lie off White Cliffs
even though she was wrecked against the pier. But back in the 50’s she
must have been covered in sand as we could never find her despite
spending hours with snorkel and face mask swimming up and down.

My next task is to get hold of the Ordnance Map and then start to pester
the local historical societies.

David Axup

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Phil Rickard
Sent: Wednesday, 30 August 2006 10:49 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Rye Limeworks

Further to Colin's interesting list below, a tramway is shown on the
pre-WWII Inch/Mile Military map, running southwards, on the east side
of Sandy Road (now Truemans Road), from the Point Nepean Road [Melway
169 E3], for a distance of about 2 kms. South of the Truemans Rd
Recreation Reserve, the line turns more south-easterly and seems to
terminate about Melway 169 E8.

Interestingly, the rail per the auction catalogue equates to over 2.2
MILES of track, but the sleepers are only sufficient for about 1.8
MILES. [note that the tonnages given in Lots 90, 91 and 92 do not
agree with the lengths/weights]

Picture Australia (www.pictureaustralia.org) has several pics of Rye
pier (with jetty tramway), however the Peninsula Lime & Fertilizer
works (on the cnr of Point Nepean Rd and Sandy Rd) were about half-way
between the Rye jetty and the Rosebud jetty so output could have gone
either way.

Observations: That Rye was used for the shipment of lime is evidenced
by the wreck of the ketch "Eivion" c.1920 at Rye pier, whilst engaged
in the lime trade. see Victorian Heritage Register No.S 345

Interested researchers may wish to get a copy of "An Archaeological
and Historical Overview of Limeburning in Victoria" see
http://www.heritage.vic.gov.au/page.asp?ID=191 or try Vic Info in
Collins St. Inexpensive, usually kept "out the back" as it's not a hot
seller!

I wonder if Lot 63 was a home-built job, utilising an old tractor and
converting it to rail? I'd love to see a photo - David, maybe one of
the historical societies on the peninsula can assist.

cheers Phil



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Colin Harvey" <harveycr@o...> wrote:

David it must be your lucky day. While trawling through a box of
State Electicity Commission Records at the Public Record Office
yesterday (VPRS 8892/P1, Unit 360), I came across the auction
catalogue for the Rye plant. Details of the lots of possible tramway
interest are listed below.

Colin


J W Styles & Son auction catalogue: Brick Making and Lime
manufacturers Plant at Peninsula Lime & Fertiliser Co., Point Nepean
Road, Rye. Auction date 31 March 1941.

Lot 11 : Jim Crow bender
Lot 63 : 4-cylinder Wolseley Tractor, with 24 in gauge flanged steel
wheels, roller chain and sprocket drive.
Lot 72 : 24 Steel tippling trucks, 1 cubic yard capacity, with 24 in
gauge axles and steel flanged wheels
Lot 73 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might
be a rail vehicle]
Lot 74 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might
be a rail vehicle]
Lot 75 : 2 steel end flap trucks, with 24 in gauge flanged wheels.
Lot 76 : 6 tipping trucks, dismantled with 24 in gauge wheels.
Lot 82 : Fordson tractor engine and gear box.
Lot 89 : 1-18-2-0 of 24 lb steel rails, 30-18ft lengths.
Lot 90 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 91 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 92 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.
Lot 93 : 5-11-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 78-24ft lengths.
Lot 94 : 1-2-3-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 32-16ft lengths.
Lot 95 : 5-13-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 88-18ft lengths.
Lot 96 : 3-15-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 66-16ft lengths.
Lot 97 : 2-17-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 50-16ft lengths.
Lot 98 : 4-6-0-5 of 24 lb steel rails, 75-16ft 6in lengths.
Lot 99 : 5-4-1-24 of 15 lb steel rails, 156-15ft lengths.
Lot 100 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.
Lot 101 : 1-5-2-24 of 24 lb steel curved rails, 20-18ft lengths.
Lot 102 : 1 ton of 24 lb steel rails, 40-7ft lengths.
Lot 103 : 8-3-2-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 20-10ft lengths.
Lot 104 : 17-7-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 162-30ft lengths.
Lot 105 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.
Lot 106 : Lot assorted steel rails
Lot 107 : 6 sets 24 gauge steel rail points
Lot 110 : 2000 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in
Lot 111 : 100 - 36in pressed steel sleepers, 24in gauge
Lot 112 : 600 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in
Lot 113 : Large quantity assorted Red Gum sleepers
Lot 114 : Lot Fish Plates and Dogs


----- Original Message -----
From: david_axup
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Introduction


G'day All,

As a new member to the group I had better introduced myself. I live
in Melbourne and have had an interest in narrow gauge railways -
life size since I was a little tacker back in the distant past - and
more recently at 1:48 since I started modelling them.

I grew up on the lower end of the Mornington Peninsula in the '40s
and '50s far removed from the railway system but managed to get on
several ARHS trips anyway. A matter of abiding curiosity is the
lime industry on the Peninsula. There were several lime kilns at
the back of Rye one of which still had the remains of a narrow gauge
tramway at the kiln area. Rails and wheels and part of a right of
way which appeared to head towards Port Phillip was all that was
left in the early '50s. All trace of that kiln has now gone. As
the lime was transported to Melbourne and Geelong by small ship it
obviously had to get from the kiln to the sea. I have been
searching for years to see if there is any record of tramways in the
lower Peninsula area without any joy. If anyone has any information
as to their existence I would appreciate it. All I have found is
the record of the tramway that connected the pier at Sorrento to the
ocean beach and which was for passengers.

Cheers,

David Axup








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Re: Database Update

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi Chris,
I shall take a look into this. I thought
original posters of information could edit their work.
I may have to change a setting.
I will change to original owner.
Number/name would be that which was it's original.
Any new number/name can be added in the notes section,
an example of this can be seen in the non-air hopper
database.
Thanks for the additions BTW. I need to get up to
Richmond Vale and a few other museums to check out all
their non-air hoppers and the condition report of
each.

Cheers
Brad



I've just added a bunch of records to the preserved
diesel database,
A couple of suggestions:

I can't edit the records once they are added. I
spelt museum wrong
in a couple and I can't change it.
Maybe "Previous Owner" should be "Original Owner" as
some locos have
had multiple owners.
Is the "Number/Name" field supposed to be the
original number or the
current number in the case of locos that have been
renumbered? I
added ER&S No.4 as 4 but it is now numbered 3 at
Coal Creek.

Regards,
Chris
ps I suppose I had better introduce myself - Chris
Stratton,
Wollongong resident and BlueScope Steel employee,
Secretary of the
Illawarra Division of the NSWRTM (member for 27
years), ARHS (NSW)
member for a few years, sometime contributor of Port
Kembla info and
pictures to Light Railways magazine although I
haven't joined LRRSA
as yet. I am interested in anything on rails, any
gauge, steam
diesel or electric.






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Re: Question for cane bin modellers!

loggingloco1 <techsupport@...>
 

Dear Ron, Brad,

So 8 tonners are basically 2 X 4 tonners on a common frame, still on
single axles?

I hope the axle bearings were upgraded to take the extra weight.

Why not bogies under such "double length cars"?
(I know I'm partial to bogie vehicles, rather than 4 wheelers).

Brad, looks like "weathered galvanisd steel" is your best color
choice ;-)

Happy Modelling,
and Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Ron & Hilary Martin" <ronhil@i...>
wrote:

Brad

I've just posted pictures of modern 4 tonne and 8 tonne varieties,
photographed in FNQ (South Johnstone?) in 2003. These are in Photo
Album
Ron's Bits & Pieces'

Ron M.

-------Original Message-------

From: BLI BLI
Date: 30/08/2006 9:50:27 PM
To: LocoShed; Queensland 1/48th; LRRSA Yahoogroup
Subject: [LRRSA] Question for cane bin modellers!

Guys,
What colours are most appropriate for painting
cane bins? Have a few here to be done on the weekend
but not sure what to use.

Any help appreciated.
Brad


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LRRSA Promo Pic, Promo Resources...

techsupport <techsupport@...>
 

Dear Brad, John G, LRRSA Members, NG Modellers,

I note that John G has posted a pic of part of the LRRSA book stand which
was part of the ILRMS stand at the 2005 Aust NG Convention, in Albury.
(John, how come that pic doesn't show the "Porter Protection Plan"? ;-) ).

Brad, there have been some movements in the ILRMS board of late, which means
that ILRMS does not have a direct link between the NG conventions and the
"Sales Dept" (AFAIK).

As it was this link previously that allowed LRRSA to attend the '03 and '05
conventions, I'd hope that the Victoria LRRSA crew have been in direct
contact with the Aust NG Convention crew, to keep a presence at the 2007
Melbourne Convention.

On a related note, what resources, (A5 fliers, business cards, etc), are
available to modellers/LRRSA members who wish to actively promote the LRRSA
via their layout displays at Model Railway and "All Hobbies" shows?

Happy Modelling,
Aim to Improve,
Professor Klyzlr,

"...Still hauling log with Class B Climax 1375,
Over Longworth's "Pig Sty Pier" bridge,
somewhere deep in the Aussie Bush..."
http://www.forest.nsw.gov.au/publication/historical/4.asp


Re: Question for cane bin modellers!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Brad, looks like "weathered galvanisd steel" is your
best color
choice ;-)

Happy Modelling,
and Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr>>>>>
Hi Professor/Ron/all,
So many good ideas.
Am going with a weathered red oxide on these one
which are really only for display as I am more
interested in larger scales for sugarcane railways.
Seems almost any colour short of pink or purple
would be appropriate. Unless someone knows of a
prototype for these :-)

Regards
Brad

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Intro & a few clarifications

John Garaty
 

Greetings all,
Now that someone has spotted some of my photos in the Photos area I
suppose I'd better 'fess up.

I have a been a long time (about 20 years)member of the Illawarra
Light Railway Museum Society at Albion Park. For about 15 of those
years I was the Sales Manager on the Board. This changed in February &
I now just another "ordinary" member.

I attended the 2003 Narrow Gauge Convention as a representative for
the ILRMS, ran a sales stand for the ILRMS that had some LRRSA
products and presented one of the workshops. The LRRSA sales stand at
that convention was run by some of the NSW Division of the LRRSA.
Unfortunately I don't think I have a photo of their sales stand.

The LRRSA presence at the 2005 convention in Albury was made possible
by a special delivery of books by Bill Hanks, who made an extended
detour on his way to Alexandria. I was working in Melbourne early in
2005 and mentioned the convention to Bill. I also attended one of the
regular meetings in Melbourne & was made most welcome. The convention
at Albury had slipped under the radar. I ran a "combined" LRRSA/ILRMS
stand at that convention. Both societies benefited from that
approach.

For John Dennis, I have posted some pictures of torpedo ladles at Port
Kembla. These hold about 250T of molten iron at about 1400 degrees
Celsius. I have worked as a shunter on these vehicles during an
industrial dispute. It is suprising how much heat comes off these
torpedo ladles, especially when you are working in and around them.
The photos are stillframes lifted from video I took while on a tour
inside the works hauled by "Bronzewing" (Porter class 0-6-0 sadletank
steam loco) several years ago. Currently no visitors cameras are
permitted on the steelworks site.

I hope to put up some photos of the Yallah2 layout later tonight into
the album of the same name in the Photos area.
Regards, John Garaty


Re: Question for cane bin modellers!

Ron & Hilary Martin <ronhil@...>
 

Hello Prof

Just to muddy the waters even more, I have added three more pictures :

1. An example of the old style cut cane car. This one is in the Sugar
Museum at Mourilyan. Well worth a visit if you haven't been. The only
problem is that they could do with more space - the little indirect drive
Fowler is slap bang next to the Hudswell Clarke - result, both are difficult
to photograph.

2. The last remains of the Queensland Government Railways Boogan Branch
to South Johnstone Mill. The Flat car sits forlornly on a short length of
track. Of interest, however, is that part of the load is a demountable bin.

3. Another example of the demountable bin, this time sitting on a 2'
gauge 8-wheel chassis, to make it suitable for use in the South Johnstone
Mill.

Ron M.

-------Original Message-------

From: loggingloco1
Date: 1/09/2006 11:31:07 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Question for cane bin modellers!

Dear Ron, Brad,

So 8 tonners are basically 2 X 4 tonners on a common frame, still on
single axles?

I hope the axle bearings were upgraded to take the extra weight.

Why not bogies under such "double length cars"?
(I know I'm partial to bogie vehicles, rather than 4 wheelers).

Brad, looks like "weathered galvanisd steel" is your best color
choice ;-)

Happy Modelling,
and Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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