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Re: Murarrie brick kiln tramway

John Browning
 

It appears that this was known as Tingalpa Brickworks.

 

There was a dispute with the Balmoral Council in 1902-3 over a projected tramway to Murarrie Station.

See:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article172584688

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19187187

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19230062

 

I do not know if the line to Doboy Creek predated this or was built as a consequence.

 

John

 


LRRSA SEQ October meeting details

sncs@...
 

To all LRRSA members,
 The next SEQ meeting will be held on Friday 16 October 2015 at the BCC Library, 107 Orange Grove Road Coopers Plains, car park at the rear of the building and entry to the meeting room close to car park.
David Rollins will present images from his latest trip to the Czech Republic,Poland and Slovakia.
Regards
Bob Gough,
 LRRSA SEQ Convenor



Re: Bonalbo - was: Ballina

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Everyone,
 
I spoke to Trevor today. He believes that there is currently no track, so even the siding track and point work has been removed since the pictures were taken.
 
Cheers
Bruce
 

Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Bonalbo - was: Ballina
 
 

At the Liverpool train exhibition tomorrow, I will see the Bonalbo school principal (who lives at Casino), so I will ask him if he has recently had a close look?
 
Bruce
 
 
 
Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Bonalbo - was: Ballina [2 Attachments]
 
 

Expanding the original subject slightly to discuss the Bonalbo construction  ….  

A Construction Siding for the proposed line was actually laid in, and when works ceased, part was retained for loading rock.   Even at this later stage, it was still known as the “Bonalbo Construction Siding”, although when inspected and photographed in January 1992, there was no longer a nameboard evidencing same.

Attached are a couple of my photos from that time.   Only sufficient of the Siding was retained for the loading of rocks … how far the line continued under the grass is not known as apparently I did not investigate further.   Perhaps Eddie did?!

Hunslet

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 2 October 2015 10:41 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina

 

On 2015-10-02 10:12, Eddie Oliver wrote:

The book is detailing the history of the plans to build the railway from
Casino to Bonalbo, including discussion and photos of the earthworks
that were actually constructed for a considerable distance (to
Mummulgum, roughly half way?)

_,_._,___


Re: : Rail Fingal NSW

Petan
 

 Last week I mentioned the mystery rail I found in the road bitumen outside the cemetery on the northern side of Fingal Head near the mouth of the Tweed River. So far no conclusive proof the rail was connected with the sand mining known to occur in the area **north** of the Fingal Head town area, although a tramway was involved with the sand mining in the Cudgen area south of Kingscliff as per Jim Longworth’s LR 207 article. Enquiries at the local Tweed Heads museum were inconclusive, although my fellow museum members have also photographed rail near the same cemetery. I marked the cemetery on the following map.


Arthur Knowles and other have mined mineral sands at Fingal Head at various times from late 1930s onwards. My suspicion the rail is not tramway related is reinforced by the fact that so far no person has replied on this group with a Fingal Head listing on any of the tramway loco lists.  


Thus the source of the rail in the bitumen remains a mystery????


On a different topic, the latest LR has Ian McNeil’s article on Breakwater Railways including a brief mention of the Tweed River breakwater (Pre1892 – 1904) on his list. Over the years this yahoogroup has discussed the various Tweed River locations connected with the breakwater operations.   For the sake of new comers I will briefly state there were two quarries for the breakwater rock with the one at Point Danger at the river mouth supplying rock via a horse drawn tramway to the crane wharf marked as the tramway wharf on the following map. The other quarry is marked on the map on the southern side of Fingal Head Township. Also marked is the rock crusher between the loading ramp and the Fingal river wharf.


The Fingal breakwater rock loading ramp for the wharf is on Google Street view at 28°12'10.69"S 153°33'52.77"E in the parkland on the river side of Fingal Rd heading north just before entering the town with the following image from Google Street view http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Tweed/Fingal%20loading%20ramp_zps5t7ejglq.jpg.html


The following Tweed 1935 map has a scale of one inch to the mile with each square 1000 yards. That map scale shows the cemetery to be about 1000 yards north of the breakwater quarry and wharf areas and in fact the cemetery is at the other end of the town. http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Tweed/Fingal-wharf_zpstddyieyq.jpg.html


The rest of the Tweed 1935 map https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwampMVVlHMHdVZHM/view 


Bibliography; Morley IW, 1981, Black sands: a history of the mineral sand mining industry in eastern Australia, UQP. That reference was listed in Jim Longworth’s LR article.


Cheers

Peter Cokley

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Re: Bonalbo - was: Ballina [2 Attachments]

Bruce Wood
 

At the Liverpool train exhibition tomorrow, I will see the Bonalbo school principal (who lives at Casino), so I will ask him if he has recently had a close look?
 
Bruce
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Bonalbo - was: Ballina [2 Attachments]
 
 

Expanding the original subject slightly to discuss the Bonalbo construction  ….  

A Construction Siding for the proposed line was actually laid in, and when works ceased, part was retained for loading rock.   Even at this later stage, it was still known as the “Bonalbo Construction Siding”, although when inspected and photographed in January 1992, there was no longer a nameboard evidencing same.

Attached are a couple of my photos from that time.   Only sufficient of the Siding was retained for the loading of rocks … how far the line continued under the grass is not known as apparently I did not investigate further.   Perhaps Eddie did?!

Hunslet

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 2 October 2015 10:41 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina

 

On 2015-10-02 10:12, Eddie Oliver wrote:

The book is detailing the history of the plans to build the railway from
Casino to Bonalbo, including discussion and photos of the earthworks
that were actually constructed for a considerable distance (to
Mummulgum, roughly half way?)

_,_._,___


Re: Bonalbo - was: Ballina [2 Attachments]

Eddie Oliver
 

On 2/10/2015 21:09, 'Hunslet' hunslet@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

Attached are a couple of my photos from that time.   Only sufficient of the Siding was retained for the loading of rocks … how far the line continued under the grass is not known as apparently I did not investigate further.   Perhaps Eddie did?!



Unfortunately not. The only time I saw it from ground level was in 1988, so your viewing was more recent; but my recollection from then was that it vanished into dirt, not only grass. I don't think it went very far.



Murarrie brick kiln tramway

Petan
 

Murarrie brick kiln tramway on a 1923 Brisbane 1 inch mile topographical map. Locate Murarrie railway station on the Cleveland branch on the southside of Brisbane and look slightly south east to find a brick kiln with a tramway down to Bulimba Creek. So far I have not checked trove etc as I have just got home after spending the day at State Archives.  Thanks to QLD State Archives for their Item ID 537034. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwMElELTF1WFJyZ2c/view


Cheers

Peter Cokley



Re: Bonalbo - was: Ballina

Hunslet
 

Expanding the original subject slightly to discuss the Bonalbo construction  ….  

A Construction Siding for the proposed line was actually laid in, and when works ceased, part was retained for loading rock.   Even at this later stage, it was still known as the “Bonalbo Construction Siding”, although when inspected and photographed in January 1992, there was no longer a nameboard evidencing same.

Attached are a couple of my photos from that time.   Only sufficient of the Siding was retained for the loading of rocks … how far the line continued under the grass is not known as apparently I did not investigate further.   Perhaps Eddie did?!

Hunslet

 

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 2 October 2015 10:41 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina

 

 

On 2015-10-02 10:12, Eddie Oliver wrote:

The book is detailing the history of the plans to build the railway from
Casino to Bonalbo, including discussion and photos of the earthworks
that were actually constructed for a considerable distance (to
Mummulgum, roughly half way?)

_,_._,___


Re: Ballina

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Eddie,
 
I understand now – thanks!
 
Bruce
 

Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina
 
 

On 2015-10-02 10:12, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [LRRSA] wrote:

> It is interesting that Bonalbo features in a book with this title. I
> would not like to walk from Bonalbo to the closest standard gauge
> railway! (The drive takes long enough!)

The book is detailing the history of the plans to build the railway from
Casino to Bonalbo, including discussion and photos of the earthworks
that were actually constructed for a considerable distance (to
Mummulgum, roughly half way?)


Re: Ballina

Eddie Oliver
 

On 2015-10-02 10:12, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@bigpond.com [LRRSA] wrote:


It is interesting that Bonalbo features in a book with this title. I
would not like to walk from Bonalbo to the closest standard gauge
railway! (The drive takes long enough!)

The book is detailing the history of the plans to build the railway from
Casino to Bonalbo, including discussion and photos of the earthworks
that were actually constructed for a considerable distance (to
Mummulgum, roughly half way?)


Info sought on Pacific Tunnelling

Philip G Graham
 

Does anyone know details about a company with the title "Pacific Tunnelling"?

This company acted as a broker for the purchase of equipment for a number of tunnelling projects in Australia and New Zealand. This included Schöma locomotives for the Manapouri II HEPS Project, and the Schöma D60 manrider for the Airport Link Construction, Sydney NSW, among others.

An initial browse on the net does not seem to get much in the way of sensible results - the moniker is too literal. I would like to find more, in connection with the forth-coming Schöma article for 'Light Railways'.


Thanks, Philip (-PGG-)




Re: Ballina

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Eddie,
 
Thank-you for your comments – very much appreciated.
 
It is interesting that Bonalbo features in a book with this title. I would not like to walk from Bonalbo to the closest standard gauge railway! (The drive takes long enough!)
 
It would be nice if the supporting pictures could have been larger! 
 
Thanks again
Bruce
 
 
 

Sent: Friday, October 02, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina
 
 

On 2015-10-01 20:21, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [LRRSA] wrote:

> I will be up that way in a few weeks. Your recommendations in three
> weeks, rather than three years would be very helpful!

I looked last night at the bigger book that has both Ballina and
Bonalbo, but have not actually read it. It is much more substantial than
most such documents, because it has been prepared from a broad history
viewpoint rather than just the 'rail history' (the author points out
that he is not a 'rail buff'). It does however contain most of the
information that might be expected in a rail history, although I did not
see much about operations (but timetables and suchlike are presented,
and the line did not last long enough for there to be much variation
operationally). Photos are presented typically four to a page on single
pages rather than being integrated with the text; they are fairly
plentiful except for a lack of photos of actual operations, but most are
very small (two inches by one inch or thereabouts) and therefore
challenge the viewer's ability to see detail in such sizes. All photos
are black and white, including the ones of what remains in recent times.

So I think it is a worthy production in its frame of reference, and I
look forward to actually reading it even though I suspect I may skim
over much of the 'social history'.

I still think that there was some other recent publication concentrating
on what now remains of the Ballina line. As Kevin has suggested it may
be in ARH or something similar (maybe Digest).


Re: Ballina

Eddie Oliver
 

On 2015-10-01 20:21, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@bigpond.com [LRRSA] wrote:


I will be up that way in a few weeks. Your recommendations in three
weeks, rather than three years would be very helpful!

I looked last night at the bigger book that has both Ballina and
Bonalbo, but have not actually read it. It is much more substantial than
most such documents, because it has been prepared from a broad history
viewpoint rather than just the 'rail history' (the author points out
that he is not a 'rail buff'). It does however contain most of the
information that might be expected in a rail history, although I did not
see much about operations (but timetables and suchlike are presented,
and the line did not last long enough for there to be much variation
operationally). Photos are presented typically four to a page on single
pages rather than being integrated with the text; they are fairly
plentiful except for a lack of photos of actual operations, but most are
very small (two inches by one inch or thereabouts) and therefore
challenge the viewer's ability to see detail in such sizes. All photos
are black and white, including the ones of what remains in recent times.


So I think it is a worthy production in its frame of reference, and I
look forward to actually reading it even though I suspect I may skim
over much of the 'social history'.


I still think that there was some other recent publication concentrating
on what now remains of the Ballina line. As Kevin has suggested it may
be in ARH or something similar (maybe Digest).


Re: Ballina

neville conder
 

Hello
My brother moved to Alstonville last year and sent me both books knowing my historical interest in railways. 'Forgotten Railways of the Northern Rivers' covers the same information as in 'Out of Puff' and the Casino-Tenterfield Line. I read them but can't remember much about the text.
Regards
Neville


On 1 Oct 2015, at 8:21 PM, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Hi Eddie,
 
I will be up that way in a few weeks. Your recommendations in three weeks, rather than three years would be very helpful!
 
The books aren’t very expensive, however do they have information and photos that has previously been unpublished? Local historical societies can sometimes be a good source of material, not commonly available through normal railway groups.
 
 
Bruce
 
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina
 
 

On 1/10/2015 18:49, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [LRRSA] wrote:
It appears that the author has many other books, including: Out of Puff – The Ballina Train
 
 
Does anyone own any of these author’s books, who can provide a reference on the quality?
 
 

I have checked my stacks of unread books, and confirm that I have both of them. I have moved them to the top of the highest priority stack. I therefore may be able to answer your question within about three years.

I now vaguely recall ordering them direct from the Alstonville society a few years ago.



Re: Ballina

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Eddie,
 
I will be up that way in a few weeks. Your recommendations in three weeks, rather than three years would be very helpful!
 
The books aren’t very expensive, however do they have information and photos that has previously been unpublished? Local historical societies can sometimes be a good source of material, not commonly available through normal railway groups.
 
 
Bruce
 

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 7:38 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina
 
 

On 1/10/2015 18:49, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [LRRSA] wrote:
It appears that the author has many other books, including: Out of Puff – The Ballina Train
 
 
Does anyone own any of these author’s books, who can provide a reference on the quality?
 
 

I have checked my stacks of unread books, and confirm that I have both of them. I have moved them to the top of the highest priority stack. I therefore may be able to answer your question within about three years.

I now vaguely recall ordering them direct from the Alstonville society a few years ago.



Re: Ballina

Eddie Oliver
 

On 1/10/2015 18:49, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [LRRSA] wrote:
It appears that the author has many other books, including: Out of Puff – The Ballina Train
 
 
Does anyone own any of these author’s books, who can provide a reference on the quality?
 


I have checked my stacks of unread books, and confirm that I have both of them. I have moved them to the top of the highest priority stack. I therefore may be able to answer your question within about three years.

I now vaguely recall ordering them direct from the Alstonville society a few years ago.



Re: Ballina

Bruce Wood
 

It appears that the author has many other books, including: Out of Puff – The Ballina Train
 
 
Does anyone own any of these author’s books, who can provide a reference on the quality?
 
Bruce
 

Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Ballina
 
 

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Forgotten_Railways_of_the_Northern_River.html?id=mYxiGgAACAAJ&redir_esc=y


Re: Ballina

Eddie Oliver
 


Re: : RE: Ballina

Kevin Sewell
 

I have a similarly VERY vague recollection of some article other than Byways, and wonder if praps there was an article in ARH mag that I might be thinking of.

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:35 PM, Eddie Oliver eoliver@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

>> I know that the “Byways of Steam” range of books had
>> an edition dedicated to “The Tweed Railway”
> "Byways of Steam 18 - the Tweed Railway", circa 2001.
>
> ISBN  1876568143
>

Even though that is obviously highly pertinent, it's not actually what I
was thinking of - it's pathetic that I have such a mental block about
its identity, but the thing in my semi-mind was specifically about the
Ballina line rather than part of a bigger treatise.




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Re: : RE: Ballina

Bruce Wood
 

Ron Preston in his book "Tender into Tank", in the 13 class section, had an essay on a trip he did on the Ballina branch - however that publication must go back 45 years?

Bruce

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From: Eddie Oliver eoliver@logitel.net.au [LRRSA]
Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 4:35 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
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I know that the �Byways of Steam� range of books had
an edition dedicated to �The Tweed Railway�
"Byways of Steam 18 - the Tweed Railway", circa 2001.

ISBN 1876568143
Even though that is obviously highly pertinent, it's not actually what I
was thinking of - it's pathetic that I have such a mental block about
its identity, but the thing in my semi-mind was specifically about the
Ballina line rather than part of a bigger treatise.




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