--- Eddie Oliver <eoliver@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

Yes.>>>>>

Thanks Eddie.

Also just confirmed by Brian Andrews who thinks it
may well be just for drainage and that there is no
real room at Pelton (without major expenditure) for
the heavier trains predicted with the new line.
Seems to be many conflicting reports about the
progress of this proposal. Time will tell I suppose.

Brad



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Brad wrote:

Just beyond Abermain (Maitland side of Swamp Creek bridge) we stopped to photograph some trackwork that was being done. This pretty much convincing me that no trains would be running across the whole weekend.
What never occured to me, and something I wish to have confirmed, but I am sure this is the location (Denman Hill?) where the up and down lines were actually on different levels to ease the run for loaded trains.

Yes.

Hi guys,
Forwarding this to the group for Bob who is
lucky to be over in Beijing at the moment.

Regards
Brad


--- Bob Mckillop <bob.mckillop@public.un.org.cn>
wrote:

Brad,
Being on assignment in Beijing for 10 weeks I am
using a temporary UN address. I receive my emails
from my normal Bigpond address OK, but I can only
send emails out via the UN address.

I sent two messages for the LRRSA Yahoo Group over
the weekend, but they were rejected on the grounds
of a 'foreign address'. Can you post the one below
in some way?

The messages is:

Re Bronzewing (sent 30/9/2007)
On 23 September GM4201 wrote:
Contrary to the report in the latest Light Railways
magazine Bronzewing has not yet left BSL Port
Kembla. ... Anyway, it is definitely leaving
Wednesday
26th September. It is hoped to have it loaded on the
truck and leaving the steelworks by 9am, via the
North Gate onto Springhill Rd. It will then travel
to Maldon cement works where it will be unloaded and
placed on the track. It will then be towed to
Thirlmere, due to depart Maldon at 13:00.

OK, did it happen as planned this time? Can anyone
provide some background on what is proposed for
BRONZEWING at Thirmlere?
Bob McKillop
Heritage & Research editor, Light Railways

____________________________________________________
Bond or Bourne. Who's the real lady-killer?
Be a better groupie
Find out at Yahoo! Answers - http://ph.answers.yahoo.com/

Howdee,
Have just placed some photos in the album section showing
workings etc on the SMR over the long weekend just gone.

http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/browse/ebf0?c=

I spent quite a bit of time around the SMR on the weekend for
photo purposes.
While headed for Warabrook I convinced the wife (not an easy task
by any means) to let me detour via Pelton in case something was
around.
On arrival Friday lunchtime we noted that the track around
Caledonia was rusty thus saving us a wasted run to Pelton in search
of a train.
Just beyond Abermain (Maitland side of Swamp Creek bridge) we
stopped to photograph some trackwork that was being done. This
pretty much convincing me that no trains would be running across the
whole weekend.
What never occured to me, and something I wish to have confirmed,
but I am sure this is the location (Denman Hill?) where the up and
down lines were actually on different levels to ease the run for
loaded trains.
If you look in the photo it actually appears that the former down
line formation has been removed down level to the former (now only)
up line. Could this possibly be in preparation for the proposed
rebuilding of the down line with heavier rail and closure of the up?
Much flood damage was noted in the area, especially to the old
road under the SMR Swamp Creek bridge where it has been washed into
the creek.

Anyway late that evening a Pelton train was noted heading out from
Kooragang to the SMR.
Next morning I headed to East Greta Junction and ended up finding
a service coming out of Pelton.

Of note, following up from an earlier report in LR, the signalbox
and footbridge are still standing at Weston.

Hope this is of interest.
Brad

Bill Hanks wrote:

LR194 has an article and photo of the boiler from the Powelltown Shay.

There are still copies of this issue available if you don't already have
it.

I'm sure I have it, it just has never reached the top of the pile.

Thanks to Frank and Bill for the responses.

Hello all,

A one page extract from the latest issue of "Light Railways" has just
been put on our website at this address:

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LR197_p25.pdf

It includes a most interesting item about the identification of a
fish-belly rail found at Newcastle, New South Wales, which appears to
be of 1826 vintage.

Regards,

Frank

Hello Chris,

Thanks for your message.

Sorry I overlooked your original message.

I am happy for you to take on this task, but you do not need to worry about Tasmania.

Regards,

Frank

Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:


Further to my reply to the Prof below, I have now found a simple way
make proper tables out of the listings on the timber tramway pages
(thanks to some Russian software called ABBYY FineReader).

I have now added a fifth column to the existing listings to the
indicate the availability of issues of "Light Railways" which are
listed in the tables.

We have a volunteer to update the Tasmanian table, and a possibility
for Victoria but not till next year; but so far no takers for the
other states.

Regards,

Frank

I volunteered to do any or all of them, didn't you get the e-mail? I sent it to the list, you can see it at http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/message/1367
Regards,
CS

Further to my reply to the Prof below, I have now found a simple way
make proper tables out of the listings on the timber tramway pages
(thanks to some Russian software called ABBYY FineReader).

I have now added a fifth column to the existing listings to the
indicate the availability of issues of "Light Railways" which are
listed in the tables.

We have a volunteer to update the Tasmanian table, and a possibility
for Victoria but not till next year; but so far no takers for the
other states.

Regards,

Frank



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Frank Stamford" <frank.stamford@...>
wrote:

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Professor Klyzlr" <johnd@> wrote:

Dear Frank,

as a "knock on" effect of this updating,

could each entry have a 5th column with a link to either

- the "back issues order form" with the nominated LR issue # ready to
go,

OR

(assumed to be for earlier issues which are no longer available in
print),
a link to the "order downloadable PDF version" page for the nominated
LR issue?

While the basic "search and describe" format of the current table is
great,

it misses the opportunity to inform the "Browsee" exactly how/where
to go to obtain copies of the info they've just read about.

We already have "online shopping" on the LRRSA site,

so this does not appear to be too large a link to make.

(If any of the issues are not available thru the shop,
either being "out-of-print-run",
or "not PDF'd yet",
here's an opportunity to "focus" the energies on getting the "most
requested" issues up and in the online shop...)

Just a thought,

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

Hello Prof,

Its a good idea in principle, but would make the task more
complicated. In any case at present I am extremely reluctant to have
people jumping to parts of the Online Shop without first reading the
introductory page on our website:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There is important important information there which if read can
reduce the processing times of orders considerably.

A simpler approach would be a fifth column headed "Available?" which
would contain one of three possible answers "Yes", "No", or "As pdf".

However just at the moment I am reluctant to try and add a fifth
column to the existing material. It is about as sophisticated as the
Gilderoy horse tramway (the one where, if two trains met coming in
opposite directions, they would heave the empty one onto the road, and
run it along the road). If I can work out a simple, quick way to
change them to proper HTML tables, then I will add a fifth column.

Regards,

Frank

P.S. Surely you mean the "Browser", I think the "Browsee" would be the
computer system ??!!

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@>
wrote:

Hello John,

No there isn't. To be honest I did not even look at the "from"

date,

only the "to" date.

In the case of Queensland it starts from issue 52 and there might

not

be anything before then.

In the case of New South Wales it starts from issue 63, and again
there might not be anything before then.

In the case of Victoria it starts from issue 99, with a separate
listing of "Significant articles" before 99, but even that only

goes

back to issue 42. There will be a lot of Victorian material that is

not listed.

In the case of Tasmania it goes back to issue 27, and there might

not

be anything before then.

In the case of WA it is listed in a different form, and seems to

only

relate to major articles, and goes back to issue 33.

Doing Victoria thoroughly could be a daunting task, but if we had
enough volunteers we could allot manageable chunks, I think.

Regards,

Frank


At 10:29 AM 30/09/2007, you wrote:

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended

back

towards issue 1?

John

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA

website

(<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT

.htm) with a view to updating their

presentation.

<snip>

1. Queensland

<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbib

liq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland

Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.

etc...

G'day Eddie,



LR194 has an article and photo of the boiler from the Powelltown Shay.

There are still copies of this issue available if you don't already have
it.



Regards,

Bill Hanks



________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 6:49 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Melbourne Shay




Good morning Eddie,

The remains of this loco consist of the boiler, (apparently in good
condition), the three-cylinder engine unit (in good condition), the
water tank (which would no longer hold water apparently), and various
fittings. Exactly what fittings I do not know. There are no trucks
(bogies), and I don't think there are any frames.

It is Builder's No.2576, the one that was damaged in a fire at Hoskins
steelworks. After closue of the Powelltown tramway, the loco (minus
trucks) was taken to a sawmill at Omeo, where it was used to power a
sawmill. It was taken out of service in the early 1960s and the parts
rescued by a Melbourne railway enthusiast.

I do not know the current location of the parts, and have not seen
them for about 38 years, but I know they still exist.

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...> wrote:

The Shay survivors page
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm

<http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm>

shows
2576 M. McEwen, {railfan}, Melbourne , Victoria, Australia
Cameron & Sutherland (D), Melbourne, Australia
In Parts, less trucks

This is a Burraga/Powelltown loco.

What is its actual status now?

Good morning Eddie,

The remains of this loco consist of the boiler, (apparently in good
condition), the three-cylinder engine unit (in good condition), the
water tank (which would no longer hold water apparently), and various
fittings. Exactly what fittings I do not know. There are no trucks
(bogies), and I don't think there are any frames.

It is Builder's No.2576, the one that was damaged in a fire at Hoskins
steelworks. After closue of the Powelltown tramway, the loco (minus
trucks) was taken to a sawmill at Omeo, where it was used to power a
sawmill. It was taken out of service in the early 1960s and the parts
rescued by a Melbourne railway enthusiast.

I do not know the current location of the parts, and have not seen
them for about 38 years, but I know they still exist.

Regards,

Frank

The Shay survivors page
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm
shows
2576 M. McEwen, {railfan}, Melbourne , Victoria, Australia
Cameron & Sutherland (D), Melbourne, Australia
In Parts, less trucks

This is a Burraga/Powelltown loco.

What is its actual status now?

Leonie Knapman who wrote a book about Joadja is now writing a book on
Glen Davis, where she was born. She would like a publishable photo of a
Shay sidewinder to use when referring to Newnes preferably in colour.
Anybody out there got one please?

A relevant colour photo may be a bit difficult to find.

However, this site is full of interest and information:

http://www.shaylocomotives.com/index.html





John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199

--- A C Lynn Zelmer <lynn@zelmeroz.com> wrote:

Sorry Brad, but I cannot think of anything more
mainstream than light
railways and sugar cane railways... is there
supposed to be something
else?
Lynn>>>>>>

Lynn,
It is a term often used, at least down here, for
normal everyday mainline operations. Say
Melbourne-Sydney-Brisbane, Pacific National type
operations.

Brad


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Sorry Brad, but I cannot think of anything more mainstream than light railways and sugar cane railways... is there supposed to be something else?
Lynn

--
CaneSIG: http://www.zelmeroz.com/canesig
A C Lynn Zelmer, Coordinator
Box 1414 Rockhampton Qld 4700 Australia
Fax: +61 7 4936 2393

Hi everyone,
Just thought I would repost this under a
relevant subject heading.
Sorry for the repeat, just thought someone may be
able to help Phillip but not be following the 'LRRSA
Publicity' thread.

Cheers
Brad


--- Philip Hammon <philip.hammon@scenicworld.com.au>
wrote:

Leonie Knapman who wrote a book about Joadja is now
writing a book on
Glen Davis, where she was born. She would like a
publishable photo of a
Shay sidewinder to use when referring to Newnes
preferably in colour.
Anybody out there got one please?



Philip Hammon

Director

Scenic World Blue Mountains

Cnr Violet St and Cliff Dr Katoomba

PO Box 1042 NSW 2780

Ph: 02 47 800 200

Dir Ext: 02 47 800 220

Fax: 1800 SKYWAY



-----Original Message-----
From: BLI BLI [mailto:alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2007 8:48 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup



Howdee,
Perhaps we need to preach to some others that
are not among the already converted (ie: those who
haven't given much thought to light railways and
industrial stuff).
Perhaps if we occasionally make mention of the LRRSA
Yahoogroup in our signatures when posting to some of
the larger groups. Blatant advertising often causes
offence on these groups, but in signatures it is
perfectly acceptable.
Many of us belong to the larger mainstream groups.

Funny thing I have noticed about cane railways is
that southerners usually write them off as boring
and
I have been ridiculed for my interest more times
than
I care to remember. Until the early 90s I was
amongst
the group.
Some of these people (again including myself) have
subsequently gone to Queensland and become
fascinated
by them and returned numerous times.
The problem is getting them all there in the first
place.

WARNING: About to use my memory.
ISTR a question in an earlier survey asking of
people were in favour of covering railway
preservation, I think more general topics than just
that which is covered as in topic at the moment.
From memory I voted against it at the time.
If my memory isn't as bad as I think and this
question was raised, how did it go?

Brad

--- Professor Klyzlr <johnd@fairlightau.com
<mailto:johnd%40fairlightau.com> > wrote:

Dear Shay,

Consider the following YahooGroups "covered" RE
publicising the LRRSA
as an organisation, and LR as a publication

- Ausnarrowgauge
- On30
- On30Conspiracy
- 4L (Loyal Legion of Logged-on Loggers)
- HOn30
- O-14
- CabbageStackers (US Swamp logger fan group)
- 7mmAusmodelling
- Australian-NG-SIG
- Kiwi_On30
- On18

I also know of a few member's personal websites
relating to Light
Railway subjects which make specific note of the
LRRSA,

and provide links back to http://www.lrrsa.org.au

<http://www.lrrsa.org.au> ,

and this LRRSA YahooGroup

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr





--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

<mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
BLI BLI

<alcogoodwin@...> wrote:

Perhaps mediums such as this could be utilised

to

advise of the
content of each issue of LR, together with one

or

two images
(including the front cover) in order to "wet

the

appetite".

Hunslet.>>>>>

Hunslet,

I wonder how many members of this

Yahoogroup

are not already members of the LRRSA and

recieving

the

magazine anyway?
There occasionally seems to be spikes in

membership,

there is a small one now, but it does appear to
coincide with a mention in Light Railways.
Perhaps we need to look at ways to get the
Yahoogroup known outside of LR and the LRRSA.

Its

a

free forum so people would likely wish to join

for

a

look and then this is exactly when Hunslet's

idea

whould really come to the fore.
I shall squeeze in a mention somewhere in the

next

ezine. Could there be any chance of a mention in

TRN

which many younger railfans read?
Any other suggestions?

Regards
SHAY

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Leonie Knapman who wrote a book about Joadja is now writing a book on
Glen Davis, where she was born. She would like a publishable photo of a
Shay sidewinder to use when referring to Newnes preferably in colour.
Anybody out there got one please?



Philip Hammon

Director

Scenic World Blue Mountains

Cnr Violet St and Cliff Dr Katoomba

PO Box 1042 NSW 2780

Ph: 02 47 800 200

Dir Ext: 02 47 800 220

Fax: 1800 SKYWAY

Howdee,
Perhaps we need to preach to some others that
are not among the already converted (ie: those who
haven't given much thought to light railways and
industrial stuff).
Perhaps if we occasionally make mention of the LRRSA
Yahoogroup in our signatures when posting to some of
the larger groups. Blatant advertising often causes
offence on these groups, but in signatures it is
perfectly acceptable.
Many of us belong to the larger mainstream groups.

Funny thing I have noticed about cane railways is
that southerners usually write them off as boring and
I have been ridiculed for my interest more times than
I care to remember. Until the early 90s I was amongst
the group.
Some of these people (again including myself) have
subsequently gone to Queensland and become fascinated
by them and returned numerous times.
The problem is getting them all there in the first
place.

WARNING: About to use my memory.
ISTR a question in an earlier survey asking of
people were in favour of covering railway
preservation, I think more general topics than just
that which is covered as in topic at the moment.
From memory I voted against it at the time.
If my memory isn't as bad as I think and this
question was raised, how did it go?

Brad

--- Professor Klyzlr <johnd@fairlightau.com> wrote:

Dear Shay,

Consider the following YahooGroups "covered" RE
publicising the LRRSA
as an organisation, and LR as a publication

- Ausnarrowgauge
- On30
- On30Conspiracy
- 4L (Loyal Legion of Logged-on Loggers)
- HOn30
- O-14
- CabbageStackers (US Swamp logger fan group)
- 7mmAusmodelling
- Australian-NG-SIG
- Kiwi_On30
- On18

I also know of a few member's personal websites
relating to Light
Railway subjects which make specific note of the
LRRSA,

and provide links back to http://www.lrrsa.org.au ,
and this LRRSA YahooGroup

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr





--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, BLI BLI
<alcogoodwin@...> wrote:

Perhaps mediums such as this could be utilised

to

advise of the
content of each issue of LR, together with one

or

two images
(including the front cover) in order to "wet the
appetite".

Hunslet.>>>>>

Hunslet,

I wonder how many members of this

Yahoogroup

are not already members of the LRRSA and recieving

the

magazine anyway?
There occasionally seems to be spikes in

membership,

there is a small one now, but it does appear to
coincide with a mention in Light Railways.
Perhaps we need to look at ways to get the
Yahoogroup known outside of LR and the LRRSA. Its

a

free forum so people would likely wish to join for

a

look and then this is exactly when Hunslet's idea
whould really come to the fore.
I shall squeeze in a mention somewhere in the

next

ezine. Could there be any chance of a mention in

TRN

which many younger railfans read?
Any other suggestions?

Regards
SHAY

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protection around

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--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Professor Klyzlr" <johnd@...> wrote:

Dear Frank,

as a "knock on" effect of this updating,

could each entry have a 5th column with a link to either

- the "back issues order form" with the nominated LR issue # ready to
go,

OR

(assumed to be for earlier issues which are no longer available in
print),
a link to the "order downloadable PDF version" page for the nominated
LR issue?

While the basic "search and describe" format of the current table is
great,

it misses the opportunity to inform the "Browsee" exactly how/where
to go to obtain copies of the info they've just read about.

We already have "online shopping" on the LRRSA site,

so this does not appear to be too large a link to make.

(If any of the issues are not available thru the shop,
either being "out-of-print-run",
or "not PDF'd yet",
here's an opportunity to "focus" the energies on getting the "most
requested" issues up and in the online shop...)

Just a thought,

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

Hello Prof,

Its a good idea in principle, but would make the task more
complicated. In any case at present I am extremely reluctant to have
people jumping to parts of the Online Shop without first reading the
introductory page on our website:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There is important important information there which if read can
reduce the processing times of orders considerably.

A simpler approach would be a fifth column headed "Available?" which
would contain one of three possible answers "Yes", "No", or "As pdf".

However just at the moment I am reluctant to try and add a fifth
column to the existing material. It is about as sophisticated as the
Gilderoy horse tramway (the one where, if two trains met coming in
opposite directions, they would heave the empty one onto the road, and
run it along the road). If I can work out a simple, quick way to
change them to proper HTML tables, then I will add a fifth column.

Regards,

Frank

P.S. Surely you mean the "Browser", I think the "Browsee" would be the
computer system ??!!

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@>
wrote:

Hello John,

No there isn't. To be honest I did not even look at the "from"

date,

only the "to" date.

In the case of Queensland it starts from issue 52 and there might

not

be anything before then.

In the case of New South Wales it starts from issue 63, and again
there might not be anything before then.

In the case of Victoria it starts from issue 99, with a separate
listing of "Significant articles" before 99, but even that only

goes

back to issue 42. There will be a lot of Victorian material that is

not listed.

In the case of Tasmania it goes back to issue 27, and there might

not

be anything before then.

In the case of WA it is listed in a different form, and seems to

only

relate to major articles, and goes back to issue 33.

Doing Victoria thoroughly could be a daunting task, but if we had
enough volunteers we could allot manageable chunks, I think.

Regards,

Frank


At 10:29 AM 30/09/2007, you wrote:

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended

back

towards issue 1?

John

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA

website

(<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT

.htm) with a view to updating their

presentation.

<snip>

1. Queensland

<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbib

liq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland

Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.

etc...