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Re: Mystery Locomotive

bll_hnks
 

This 'mystery loco' was once dusted off and used on a Moomba Parade
float in Melbourne to publicise the then new struggle to preserve
Puffing Billy.

Bill Hanks

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From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Wednesday, 10 October 2007 7:14 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Mystery Locomotive



Peter,

I agree it's highly probable that the mystery loco is JF 4668. However
you must agree that there is a possibility that there might have been
another NG loco stored in Melbourne.

The article in LR 141 says it went to Miller & Co in Melbourne in
1924, but there's no mention of where exactly Miller's yard was. If it
was in Queensbridge Street then I'm happy to agree ...

Incidentally, the LR article also makes no mention of 4668's sojourn
on the Eyre Peninsula, nor it's time in Adelaide before moving to
Melbourne.

John

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:43:35 +1000, "Peter Knife"
<sar871@minnipa.au.com <mailto:sar871%40minnipa.au.com> > wrote:

John,

Everything described fits perfectly with the loco being John Fowler
4668 (now at Mourilyan), apart from the "Australian built" bit. 4668 was
stored in Melbourne for many years until being restored around 1976.
Surely there can't be another with such a coincidental history?

Cheers,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dennis
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: 10 October, 2007 17:41
Subject: [LRRSA] Mystery Locomotive


Folks,

This was posted to the ausnarrowgauge group earlier today. The general
feeling is that Geoff is referring to the John Fowler patent drive
loco which is now at Mourilyan, but that does not fit with his memory
of the loco being "an Australian built Fowler". Does anybody else has
any candidates for the mystery loco?
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Topoview Raster 2006

Iain
 

I was in at the Lands Department map sales (NSW) and found out that they
have released Topoview Raster (not Rasta) 2006 which is all the topo maps
covering NSW. Seems quite good although a bit block when the images are
blown up. It would be a useful tool for those researching light railways.
They used to have all the 1:25,000 maps on CDs which was useful but suddenly
withdrew the products a few years ago Ė Topoview Raster replaces that
product.



Apparently it can be used on GPS, donít know why, the map itself should be
more than sufficient.



The cost is a steal at $275.00 contact the Department of Lands for further
details.



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Re: Mystery Locomotive

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Peter,

I agree it's highly probable that the mystery loco is JF 4668. However
you must agree that there is a possibility that there might have been
another NG loco stored in Melbourne.

The article in LR 141 says it went to Miller & Co in Melbourne in
1924, but there's no mention of where exactly Miller's yard was. If it
was in Queensbridge Street then I'm happy to agree ...

Incidentally, the LR article also makes no mention of 4668's sojourn
on the Eyre Peninsula, nor it's time in Adelaide before moving to
Melbourne.

John

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 18:43:35 +1000, "Peter Knife"
<sar871@minnipa.au.com> wrote:

John,

Everything described fits perfectly with the loco being John Fowler 4668 (now at Mourilyan), apart from the "Australian built" bit. 4668 was stored in Melbourne for many years until being restored around 1976. Surely there can't be another with such a coincidental history?

Cheers,
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: John Dennis
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: 10 October, 2007 17:41
Subject: [LRRSA] Mystery Locomotive


Folks,

This was posted to the ausnarrowgauge group earlier today. The general
feeling is that Geoff is referring to the John Fowler patent drive
loco which is now at Mourilyan, but that does not fit with his memory
of the loco being "an Australian built Fowler". Does anybody else has
any candidates for the mystery loco?
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Mystery Locomotive

Peter Knife <sar871@...>
 

John,

Everything described fits perfectly with the loco being John Fowler 4668 (now at Mourilyan), apart from the "Australian built" bit. 4668 was stored in Melbourne for many years until being restored around 1976. Surely there can't be another with such a coincidental history?

Cheers,
Peter

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dennis
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: 10 October, 2007 17:41
Subject: [LRRSA] Mystery Locomotive


Folks,

This was posted to the ausnarrowgauge group earlier today. The general
feeling is that Geoff is referring to the John Fowler patent drive
loco which is now at Mourilyan, but that does not fit with his memory
of the loco being "an Australian built Fowler". Does anybody else has
any candidates for the mystery loco?

John

>Many years ago, in the early 60s, some friends and I had visited the
>building in South Melbourne where John Day used to build his rail
>tractors. The building was abandoned, however there were some lovely
>builder's photographs on the walls of many of his tractors, so
>naturally we 'preserved' them for prosperity. Can't find them now
>though!!
>
>On the same day, we also visited a warehouse in Queensbridge St,
>where there was a steam locomotive tucked away in the corner of the
>building, that appeared to have been there for some time. If I
>remember correctly, it was an Australian built Fowler.
>
>Today I spoke to a gentleman PB driver who suggested that it was
>bought and moved north to a mill in Queensland.
>
>My question is, does anyone have any more detailed information
>about this locomotive, where it came from?, who built it and where
>is it now?

>Geoff
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Mystery Locomotive

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Folks,

This was posted to the ausnarrowgauge group earlier today. The general
feeling is that Geoff is referring to the John Fowler patent drive
loco which is now at Mourilyan, but that does not fit with his memory
of the loco being "an Australian built Fowler". Does anybody else has
any candidates for the mystery loco?

John

Many years ago, in the early 60s, some friends and I had visited the
building in South Melbourne where John Day used to build his rail
tractors. The building was abandoned, however there were some lovely
builder's photographs on the walls of many of his tractors, so
naturally we 'preserved' them for prosperity. Can't find them now
though!!

On the same day, we also visited a warehouse in Queensbridge St,
where there was a steam locomotive tucked away in the corner of the
building, that appeared to have been there for some time. If I
remember correctly, it was an Australian built Fowler.

Today I spoke to a gentleman PB driver who suggested that it was
bought and moved north to a mill in Queensland.

My question is, does anyone have any more detailed information
about this locomotive, where it came from?, who built it and where
is it now?
Geoff
==========================================================
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Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Campbelltown Steam, Oil & Kerosene Field Days

B Mc
 

If any member of this group is attending the Campbelltown Steam Museum Open Days on 20-21 October, a report for Light Railways would be appreciated. I am particularly interested in an update on the extension of the railway.

Copy for the December issue closes on the following Friday (26/10), so any reports should be sent to me by then.

Bob McKillop
Heritage & Research Editor, Light Railways


Re: LR196: My Dad's Bridge - John Shoebridge.

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi Ian,
Sorry for the delay in responding. Have got
well behind in email thanks to the demands of that
thing they call work.
Thanks for this response.
While I obviously have got it well after the trip, I
go up there looking around these lines many times a
year.
I did take a bit of a look for it, but as I was
looking on the north side I really had no hope.
Funnily enough I did see the Elrington fire trail and
wondered.
Also interesting is that I have driven from Abermain
into Hebburn #2 in the past but didn't go any further,
actually didnt know we could. Obviously it would have
been well worth me doing.

Does much exist of #3 beyond the gates?

Brad

--- Ian McNeil <imcneil@hunterlink.net.au> wrote:

Brad,

Hope these directions reach you in time for your
weekend visit.

Travelling West along Lakes Road toward Cessnock,
stop at the intersection of Elrington Road (on LHS)
and Lakes Road. Elrington Road is the minor local
road that leads to a locked gate guarding the old
Hebburn No. 3 (Elrington) colliery.

Do a U-turn and drive back along Lakes Road about
200 metres.

On the LHS, Elrington Fire Trail branches of Lakes
Road at right angles. This is the old formation of
the Hebburn No. 3 Colliery Railway.

If you walk across to the RHS or southern side of
Lakes Road, you will find the mostly buried concrete
arch of "Dad's Bridge" about 10 metres into the
scrub.

If you have time, Elrington Fire Trail, although
marked "Authorised Vehicles Only" is a trafficable
trail, about 2.5km long, right on top of the old
Hebburn Colliery Railway. It passes over the coal
chitter embankment mentioned in John Shoebridge's
article, plus a couple of very photogenic rock
cuttings. You come out on Hebburn Road near the site
of the old Hebburn No. 2 Colliery (private
property). Continuing north along Hebburn Road will
take you through to Abermain, with the formation of
the old Hebburn No. 2 Colliery Railway clearly
visible for much of the way on the LHS.

Concerning Elrington Fire Trail, apart from a couple
of (usually) water filled potholes in the middle of
one of the big rock cuttings, the ordinary family
sedan should have no trouble negotiating it at all.
As far as the "Authorised Vehicles Only" goes, well,
if one were to authorise onself .... The only risk
as I see it is meeting an on-coming vehicle in one
of the narrow, sharp-curved rock cuttings. One of
you will have a longish back-up.

Enjoy

Ian McNeil

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Fw: Transport books for sale

John Browning
 

I have no personal interest in this, but someone might want to follow up.

John

----- Original Message -----

Colleagues,

Paul Nicholson in Melbourne is currently disposing of most of his
rail/public transport book collection. He has asked me to circulate his
list of remaining titles in case anyone is interest in purchasing some
books.

If you are interested in any of the unsold titles simply email Paul at
pn1@bigpond.com and let him know what you would like to purchase.

Regards,

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Nicholson" <pn1@bigpond.com
To: <pn1@bigpond.com
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:27 PM
Subject: Transport books for sale

Attached is a list of books I have for sale.

Title Author
178 A Brill Returns Various
1938 Tube Stock Connor
A Changing Decade Dare
A Guide To The Railways of New South Wales
All Fares Please Various
BHP Tramways Centenary History Griffiths
By Tram To Papanui Various
Combo 22: the Story of a Dunedin Electric Tramcar
Cook Strait Ferry Story Stott
Culcairn to Holbrook Railway Scrymgeour
Eastern Suburbs Railway Brady
Diesel Pictorial Dare
Melbourne Steam Festival McDonald
English Electric Traction
Farewell Narrow Gauge (South Australia)
Ferries Of The Derwent O'May
Flypast Parnell
G42: Puffing Billy's Big Brother PBPS
Golden Era Of Fiat Railcars In New Zealand Churchman
Here Comes Puffing Billy
Light Rail Today Taplin
Lithgow Zig Zag Railway Zig Zag Railway
Locomotives Of The Tasmanian Transport Museum
Major New Zealand Bus Fleets Millar
Modern Locomotives In Service on New South Wales Railways PTC
New Zealand City Bus Fleets Millar
New Zealand Locomotives and Railcars 1990 McGavin
New Zealand Railways Road Services Bellamy
New Zealand Superbus Jones
North Head Goes South Mead
NSWR Passenger Cars (Loco-hauled) Beckhaus
Perth Electric Kreitling
Pichi Richi Railway
Pioneer Electrics (New Zealand) Various
Port Dock Station Railway Museum Sampson
Potatoes, Passengers and Posterity Fiddian
Power Parade Victorian Railways
Puffing Billy Story
Queensland Railway Locomotives 1983 McNicol
Rail Enthusiasts Guide To The Brisbane Region Webber
Rail Museums In New Zealand McGavin
Railfan's Handbook New South Wales McKillop
Rails Through Swamp And Sand Thompson
Rails To The Top End Bromby
Railway Electrification In New Zealand Redward
Railway Museum ARHS
Coals to Maitland McNicol
Railway Refreshments In Victoria
Railways In The Pilbara Joyce
Return To Ferrymead
Round Britain By Tram Joyce
Sunshine Route Jubilee ARHS
Thomas Saywell's Tramway Eardley
Ticket To Ride Dennis
Timber, Spuds And Spa Osborne
Traction On The Main Line (New Zealand)
Twilight Of Trams (New Zealand) Bellamy
Unreasonable Man (Dr Bradfield) Raxworthy
Victor Harbor Horse Tram Bird
WAGR Railcars Tilley
Wellington Tramway Memories Lawes
World Trolleybus Pictorial Murray


Please let me know if there is anything that interests you.

Most of the books are in excellent condition and have been well looked
after.

Regards

Paul

Paul Nicholson
PO Box 301
Mitcham
Victoria 3132

(03) 9873 4249
(0419) 53 3519

pn1@bigpond.com


Contributions to the LRRSA web site

Bill Russell
 

G'day All,

If any of you want to contribute an article for the LRRSA web site I will offer to
maqrk it up into HTML so that it is ready to post to the site. I have discussed this with
Frank.

Regards,

Bill Russell


Re: RVR Hexham today!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

--- Hunslet <hunslet@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

At 09:28 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:


<http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustie/1471456750/>http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustie/1471456750/
In days of old, one had to wander up to that
Building to seek
permission to be on the property to take photos,
etc.. I forget
whether we had to sign an indemnity form. Did it a
couple of times
before "the end".

Hunslet.>>>>>

Hi Hunslet,
Yep, remember doing the same in the final
weeks of operation. So sad to see it in this condition
now.
Not sure how the photographer got in to take this
shot. The sign on the nearest gate is not to welcoming
and from memory actually locked.
Brad





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Re: RVR Hexham today!

Hunslet
 

At 09:28 AM 4/10/2007, you wrote:

<http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustie/1471456750/>http://www.flickr.com/photos/rustie/1471456750/
In days of old, one had to wander up to that Building to seek
permission to be on the property to take photos, etc.. I forget
whether we had to sign an indemnity form. Did it a couple of times
before "the end".

Hunslet.


RVR Hexham today!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

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Re: Bronzewing Re: LRRSA Yahoo Group

Chris Stratton
 

Bronzewing did depart Bluescope Steel Port Kembla on Wednesday 26th
September at 12:05, about 3 hours late. It travelled by road to Maldon
cement works where it was placed back on the rails, then towed to Thirlmere
by 4803.
Bronzewing has a current boiler certificate and only requires some minor
work to be in full operating condition. It is planned to run it at Thirlmere
but most likely not regularly. It should run at the Thirlmere Festival of
Steam in March 2008.
I have been told by someone who had experience with the Porter locos at Port
Kembla that they are very useful for detecting bad trackwork, as they will
immediately derail.
Seriously though, I was also told that the Porters could lift 1200 tons from
a standing start on a 1 in 40 grade.

Regards,
CS

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of BLI BLI
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 9:02 PM
To: Bob Mckillop; LRRSA Yahoogroup
Subject: [LRRSA] Bronzewing Re: LRRSA Yahoo Group

Hi guys,
Forwarding this to the group for Bob who is
lucky to be over in Beijing at the moment.

Regards
Brad


--- Bob Mckillop <bob.mckillop@public.un.org.cn>
wrote:

Brad,
Being on assignment in Beijing for 10 weeks I am
using a temporary UN address. I receive my emails
from my normal Bigpond address OK, but I can only
send emails out via the UN address.

I sent two messages for the LRRSA Yahoo Group over
the weekend, but they were rejected on the grounds
of a 'foreign address'. Can you post the one below
in some way?

The messages is:

Re Bronzewing (sent 30/9/2007)
On 23 September GM4201 wrote:
Contrary to the report in the latest Light Railways
magazine Bronzewing has not yet left BSL Port
Kembla. ... Anyway, it is definitely leaving
Wednesday
26th September. It is hoped to have it loaded on the
truck and leaving the steelworks by 9am, via the
North Gate onto Springhill Rd. It will then travel
to Maldon cement works where it will be unloaded and
placed on the track. It will then be towed to
Thirlmere, due to depart Maldon at 13:00.

OK, did it happen as planned this time? Can anyone
provide some background on what is proposed for
BRONZEWING at Thirmlere?
Bob McKillop
Heritage & Research editor, Light Railways



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Re: South Maitland On The Long Weekend!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

--- Eddie Oliver <eoliver@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

Yes.>>>>>

Thanks Eddie.

Also just confirmed by Brian Andrews who thinks it
may well be just for drainage and that there is no
real room at Pelton (without major expenditure) for
the heavier trains predicted with the new line.
Seems to be many conflicting reports about the
progress of this proposal. Time will tell I suppose.

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Re: South Maitland On The Long Weekend!

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Brad wrote:

Just beyond Abermain (Maitland side of Swamp Creek bridge) we stopped to photograph some trackwork that was being done. This pretty much convincing me that no trains would be running across the whole weekend.
What never occured to me, and something I wish to have confirmed, but I am sure this is the location (Denman Hill?) where the up and down lines were actually on different levels to ease the run for loaded trains.
Yes.


Bronzewing Re: LRRSA Yahoo Group

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi guys,
Forwarding this to the group for Bob who is
lucky to be over in Beijing at the moment.

Regards
Brad


--- Bob Mckillop <bob.mckillop@public.un.org.cn>
wrote:

Brad,
Being on assignment in Beijing for 10 weeks I am
using a temporary UN address. I receive my emails
from my normal Bigpond address OK, but I can only
send emails out via the UN address.

I sent two messages for the LRRSA Yahoo Group over
the weekend, but they were rejected on the grounds
of a 'foreign address'. Can you post the one below
in some way?

The messages is:

Re Bronzewing (sent 30/9/2007)
On 23 September GM4201 wrote:
Contrary to the report in the latest Light Railways
magazine Bronzewing has not yet left BSL Port
Kembla. ... Anyway, it is definitely leaving
Wednesday
26th September. It is hoped to have it loaded on the
truck and leaving the steelworks by 9am, via the
North Gate onto Springhill Rd. It will then travel
to Maldon cement works where it will be unloaded and
placed on the track. It will then be towed to
Thirlmere, due to depart Maldon at 13:00.

OK, did it happen as planned this time? Can anyone
provide some background on what is proposed for
BRONZEWING at Thirmlere?
Bob McKillop
Heritage & Research editor, Light Railways



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South Maitland On The Long Weekend!

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee,
Have just placed some photos in the album section showing
workings etc on the SMR over the long weekend just gone.

http://au.ph.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/browse/ebf0?c=

I spent quite a bit of time around the SMR on the weekend for
photo purposes.
While headed for Warabrook I convinced the wife (not an easy task
by any means) to let me detour via Pelton in case something was
around.
On arrival Friday lunchtime we noted that the track around
Caledonia was rusty thus saving us a wasted run to Pelton in search
of a train.
Just beyond Abermain (Maitland side of Swamp Creek bridge) we
stopped to photograph some trackwork that was being done. This
pretty much convincing me that no trains would be running across the
whole weekend.
What never occured to me, and something I wish to have confirmed,
but I am sure this is the location (Denman Hill?) where the up and
down lines were actually on different levels to ease the run for
loaded trains.
If you look in the photo it actually appears that the former down
line formation has been removed down level to the former (now only)
up line. Could this possibly be in preparation for the proposed
rebuilding of the down line with heavier rail and closure of the up?
Much flood damage was noted in the area, especially to the old
road under the SMR Swamp Creek bridge where it has been washed into
the creek.

Anyway late that evening a Pelton train was noted heading out from
Kooragang to the SMR.
Next morning I headed to East Greta Junction and ended up finding
a service coming out of Pelton.

Of note, following up from an earlier report in LR, the signalbox
and footbridge are still standing at Weston.

Hope this is of interest.
Brad


Re: Melbourne Shay

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Bill Hanks wrote:

LR194 has an article and photo of the boiler from the Powelltown Shay.
There are still copies of this issue available if you don't already have
it.
I'm sure I have it, it just has never reached the top of the pile.

Thanks to Frank and Bill for the responses.


Fish-belly rail

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

A one page extract from the latest issue of "Light Railways" has just
been put on our website at this address:

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LR197_p25.pdf

It includes a most interesting item about the identification of a
fish-belly rail found at Newcastle, New South Wales, which appears to
be of 1826 vintage.

Regards,

Frank


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking volunteers

Chris Stratton
 

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 1:26 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking
volunteers


Hello Chris,

Thanks for your message.

Sorry I overlooked your original message.

I am happy for you to take on this task, but you do not need to worry
about Tasmania.

Regards,

Frank
No worries. I'll have to get the issues I'm missing.

Regards,
Chris

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