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Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

Scott Gould <sncs@...>
 

Hi All,

Thanks John for the links to the PROV photos of the target tramway. I
have uploaded to my folder Scott's photos in the photos section a
drawing showing the model railway style controller as mentioned by
Bill, and the track plan. There is also a photo in the folder from
the PROV collection showing the control desk.The three foot gauge
also rings a bell.

Regards,

Scott

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bill Hanks" <bhanks@...> wrote:

When I looked at the point layout plan many years ago I seem to
remember
the gauge being 3 foot. There was also an insulated third rail
that
provided power for propulsion. The control of it was something
akin to
an electric train set.



Bill Hanks



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Paul Napier
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 9:06 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway



Can anyone confirm what gauge the RAAF Sale and Puckapunyal tracks
were?

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%
40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
richard horne <rthorne475@> wrote:

John has correctly identified the the photos of a target trolley
that I referred to. I see that the photos, catalogued as PRO of
Victoria Box 332 / 01, 02 & 03, are gloriously mis-captioned
as 'narrow gauge 4 wheel freight wagon'.

Richard Horne




________________________________
From: john browning <ceo8@>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 10:06:32
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway


Ah . . .

I think that Richard is referring to another target tramway, this
one
operating at Puckapunyal, also in Victoria.

It also used a three rail system.

Photos are on the Public Record Office of Victoria site.

Go to http://proarchives. imagineering. com.au/Index_ search.asp?
searchid= 41
and start looking.

An initial search for 'target' found some interesting results.

John

John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia

PO Box 99

Annerley 4103

Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084

Mobile 0407 069 199








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Re: Lost Locomotive around Noojee

rthorne475
 

One detail of the Loch Valley Timber Co's operation that I have not seen referred to (but I'm happy to be contradicted on this) is that the company appears to have purchased not only the two Baldwin 0-4-0ST locos from the Sorrento Tramway, but also at least one of that line's toastrack trailers. The illustrations on pages 48 and 49 of 'Tall Timber And Tramlines' (LRRSA 1974) show a flatcar on the LVTCo. that is mounted on what is clearly a tramcar type of truck (rather than normal railway running gear) and it would thus seem probable that this came from the Sorrento Tramway with the locomotives. Although in photographs the trucks of the Sorrento cars are mostly hidden by the footboard, what is visible (and also the wheel desgn) accords with the LVTCo. views. This type of truck is also of a design that one would expect under a tram of 1890.

Richard Horne




________________________________
From: Peter Evans <peter@peterevans.com.au>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Thursday, 29 January, 2009 0:02:44
Subject: [LRRSA] Re:Lost Locomotive around Noojee


Lying in the bush and adjacent to the Loch Valley Road used to be the
firebox of Baldwin 0-4-0ST 9086 of 1888 (ex Sorrento Tramway and, later,
Loch Valley Timber Company - see LR65). This was removed to the old Forests
Commission of Victoria offices just north of the Latrobe River in Noojee in
the early 1980s and set up as part of a small outdoor museum in front of the
office (due to the local FCV Officer's concerns about its safety in the
bush). It was still there about a year ago. Also at this location was the
frame and wheels of a 3-ft gauge Malcolm Moore built TACL 4-wheel rail
tractor. The origins of this locomotive are not known but it is suspected
that it may have come from one of the Mount Horsfall timber mills. It was
discovered during FCV roading operations in the 1980s and removed from the
bush at that time. The remains were later donated to Alan Stebbing and then
many years later on-sold by him to the Alexandra Timber Tramway.

The writer was taken on an excellent tour of the Loch Valley mill sites in
the early 1980s by a former Forests Commission employee - we visited nine
mill sites in one day, still a personal record. There is still some
machinery at some of these locations but no rail tractors or locomotive
remains of which I am aware apart from the above.

If visiting the ex-Baldwin firebox to pay quiet homage, it is worth noting
that there is an excellent cleared walking track along part of the former
Loch Valley Tramway starting just east of the former Forests Commission
offices (Now the DSE work centre).

Cheers,

PeterE.

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Re: Lost Locomotive around Noojee

Peter Evans
 

Lying in the bush and adjacent to the Loch Valley Road used to be the
firebox of Baldwin 0-4-0ST 9086 of 1888 (ex Sorrento Tramway and, later,
Loch Valley Timber Company - see LR65). This was removed to the old Forests
Commission of Victoria offices just north of the Latrobe River in Noojee in
the early 1980s and set up as part of a small outdoor museum in front of the
office (due to the local FCV Officer's concerns about its safety in the
bush). It was still there about a year ago. Also at this location was the
frame and wheels of a 3-ft gauge Malcolm Moore built TACL 4-wheel rail
tractor. The origins of this locomotive are not known but it is suspected
that it may have come from one of the Mount Horsfall timber mills. It was
discovered during FCV roading operations in the 1980s and removed from the
bush at that time. The remains were later donated to Alan Stebbing and then
many years later on-sold by him to the Alexandra Timber Tramway.



The writer was taken on an excellent tour of the Loch Valley mill sites in
the early 1980s by a former Forests Commission employee - we visited nine
mill sites in one day, still a personal record. There is still some
machinery at some of these locations but no rail tractors or locomotive
remains of which I am aware apart from the above.



If visiting the ex-Baldwin firebox to pay quiet homage, it is worth noting
that there is an excellent cleared walking track along part of the former
Loch Valley Tramway starting just east of the former Forests Commission
offices (Now the DSE work centre).



Cheers,

PeterE.



Peter Evans

Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services

0407 537 837

www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/>

peter@peterevans.com.au



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LRRSA as Discount Bookshop

David Halfpenny \(t\) <tuppenced@...>
 

Stout parcel arrived from Oz today, earlier than expected.

Christmas Island, Innisfail, and Western Australian timber railways.

All excellent, with Rails through the Bush (WA) being particularly spectacular.

Thanks to all involved. Must get some reviews out.

David 1/2d
England


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

bll_hnks
 

When I looked at the point layout plan many years ago I seem to remember
the gauge being 3 foot. There was also an insulated third rail that
provided power for propulsion. The control of it was something akin to
an electric train set.



Bill Hanks



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Paul Napier
Sent: Wednesday, 28 January 2009 9:06 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway



Can anyone confirm what gauge the RAAF Sale and Puckapunyal tracks
were?

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
richard horne <rthorne475@...> wrote:

John has correctly identified the the photos of a target trolley
that I referred to. I see that the photos, catalogued as PRO of
Victoria Box 332 / 01, 02 & 03, are gloriously mis-captioned
as 'narrow gauge 4 wheel freight wagon'.

Richard Horne




________________________________
From: john browning <ceo8@...>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 10:06:32
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway


Ah . . .

I think that Richard is referring to another target tramway, this
one
operating at Puckapunyal, also in Victoria.

It also used a three rail system.

Photos are on the Public Record Office of Victoria site.

Go to http://proarchives. imagineering. com.au/Index_ search.asp?
searchid= 41
and start looking.

An initial search for 'target' found some interesting results.

John

John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia

PO Box 99

Annerley 4103

Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084

Mobile 0407 069 199










Re: Search function u/s

Darryl Huffman <darrylhuffman@...>
 

Paul,

I moderate over 25 groups and I find that when something like this happens the problem cures itself in a couple of days.

There is no practical way to contain Yahoo about it for a quicker fix.

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Anyone notice the search function on the home page isn't working and it
appears to only be on this group. Any ideas?

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Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

Paul Napier <bandm@...>
 

Can anyone confirm what gauge the RAAF Sale and Puckapunyal tracks
were?

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, richard horne <rthorne475@...> wrote:

John has correctly identified the the photos of a target trolley
that I referred to. I see that the photos, catalogued as PRO of
Victoria Box 332 / 01, 02 & 03, are gloriously mis-captioned
as 'narrow gauge 4 wheel freight wagon'.

Richard Horne




________________________________
From: john browning <ceo8@...>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 10:06:32
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway


Ah . . .

I think that Richard is referring to another target tramway, this
one
operating at Puckapunyal, also in Victoria.

It also used a three rail system.

Photos are on the Public Record Office of Victoria site.

Go to http://proarchives. imagineering. com.au/Index_ search.asp?
searchid= 41
and start looking.

An initial search for 'target' found some interesting results.

John

John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia

PO Box 99

Annerley 4103

Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084

Mobile 0407 069 199

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Search function u/s

Paul Napier <bandm@...>
 

Anyone notice the search function on the home page isn't working and it
appears to only be on this group. Any ideas?

Paul Napier


Lost Locomotive around Noojee

dave.malady
 

G'day all,
Just wondering if anyone knows anything about a supposed
narrow gauge locomotive lying in the bush around Noojee(Vic). Has been
a bit of renewed interest around the traps in finding it so I hear.
Regards, Dave.


Re: Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

Peter/Stephen,

I had a bit of a snoop, and there is some pipe work adjacent to the
boiler. However it is a building site so I wasn't able to glean a lot
of info.

I found a picture of a similar Robison Boiler at:

<http://forum1.aimoo.com/The_Old_Machinery_Magazine/OLD-MACHINERY-TALK/r
obinson-bros-1-1035227.html>

Scroll about 2/3rds down

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark, Australia

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From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Stephen Percy Larcombe
Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 11:31 PM
To: lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re:Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]


The steam driven water pumps are still in thier original location. The
people that are rebuilding the dry dock for polly wood side would like
to put the pumps back into operation and run them on compressed air, but
the heritage people are hesitant about allowing this to happen.

Yours

Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.auFrom: peter@peterevans.com.auDate: Fri, 23
Jan 2009 18:37:27 +1100Subject: [LRRSA] Re:Boiler - Robison Bros.
[SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



Hi Rod,I believe this was the boiler that provided steam to the pumps
that pumpedthe Duke & Orr dock dry once a ship was inside. I believe the
pumps havebeen preserved separately - perhaps at the Melbourne Steam
Traction EngineClub at Scoresby? It's a pity they weren't able to be
kept together. Oftenthe first reaction to a threat to an installation is
to remove whateverinterests the rescuer most. The better option is to
try and keep aninstallation intact in situ if at all possible. I'm not
aware of thecircumstances of the removal of the pumps so this is not
intended to be acriticism, just an observation.Cheers,PeterE.Peter
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Re: Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

The steam driven water pumps are still in thier original location. The people that are rebuilding the dry dock for polly wood side would like to put the pumps back into operation and run them on compressed air, but the heritage people are hesitant about allowing this to happen.

Yours

Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.auFrom: peter@peterevans.com.auDate: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:37:27 +1100Subject: [LRRSA] Re:Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



Hi Rod,I believe this was the boiler that provided steam to the pumps that pumpedthe Duke & Orr dock dry once a ship was inside. I believe the pumps havebeen preserved separately - perhaps at the Melbourne Steam Traction EngineClub at Scoresby? It's a pity they weren't able to be kept together. Oftenthe first reaction to a threat to an installation is to remove whateverinterests the rescuer most. The better option is to try and keep aninstallation intact in situ if at all possible. I'm not aware of thecircumstances of the removal of the pumps so this is not intended to be acriticism, just an observation.Cheers,PeterE.Peter EvansProduction Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services0407 537 837www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/> peter@peterevans.com.auP please consider the environment before printing.This electronic mail contains information that is privileged andconfidential, intended only for use of the individual(s) or entity named. Ifyou are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of theinformation is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmissionin error please delete it immediately from your system and inform me byreturn email and destroy the original message





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Re: Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Peter Evans
 

Hi Rod,



I believe this was the boiler that provided steam to the pumps that pumped
the Duke & Orr dock dry once a ship was inside. I believe the pumps have
been preserved separately - perhaps at the Melbourne Steam Traction Engine
Club at Scoresby? It's a pity they weren't able to be kept together. Often
the first reaction to a threat to an installation is to remove whatever
interests the rescuer most. The better option is to try and keep an
installation intact in situ if at all possible. I'm not aware of the
circumstances of the removal of the pumps so this is not intended to be a
criticism, just an observation.



Cheers,

PeterE.



Peter Evans

Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services

0407 537 837

www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/>

peter@peterevans.com.au



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Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

Hi all,

Not Light Rail but is Steam

Down opposite the old berth that Polly Woodside (sailing vessel) was
docked in, the additions to the Melbourne Convention centre have placed
a purpose built shelter over a bricked-in boiler.

The boiler details are:
Robison Bros. Melbourne
1.03.1904
Tested to 240 lbs sq in

Does anyone know anything about this old thing?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Melbourne, Australia


Re: Sigatoka Bridge Photos

Chris Stratton
 

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

A few photos of what remains of the bridge in Sigatoka.
I wonder if we will ever see trains on the south side again?

http://alcogoodwin.blogspot.com/


Cheers
Brad
Even if the bridge is rebuilt I doubt it would be finished before my next visit in July.
Regards,
CS


Sigatoka Bridge Photos

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

A few photos of what remains of the bridge in Sigatoka.
I wonder if we will ever see trains on the south side again?

http://alcogoodwin.blogspot.com/


Cheers
Brad




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Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks

rthorne475
 

Dear Frank,

The photograph you show, taken c1930 is the one I have, but my copy is an old print which appears to be taken off the original negative, so is sharp and the name on the plate can be read.

Whether or not the present aluminium plate is cast or etched is hard to tell from photos. What is clear is that it is the opposite of the original where the name was etched or recessed, while on the present one it is the background that is recessed or etched (hence the edge is raised). More importantly, it bears no relationship whatsoever to the original design.

If I was in Melbourne, I'd happily prepare a drawing for the new plates!

Best wishes,

Richard




________________________________
From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 21:20:40
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks



Thanks Richard.

I do not think the current nameplate is cast. It appears to be
aluminium, possibly etched aluminium.

It is certainly different to the plate you describe.

In the photos section of this Yahoo Group I have added three photos in
the Album "Frank's photos":

http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/LRRSA/ photos/album/ 406528701/ pic/list

One shows the loco near Fielder in 2007. The second is a close-up of
the nameplate currently fitted to the loco ( - this picture is
actually an enlargement taken from the first picture). The third shows
the loco working at West Melbourne Gasworks, as published in "Light
Railways" No.90. The nameplate in this is very indistinct.

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au, richard horne <rthorne475@ ...> wrote:

Dear Frank,

I have a photo of 'SIR JOHN GRICE' in use at the gasworks, sent to
me by John Buckland many years ago. While the plate is not all that
clear, it can be clearly seen that it is nothing like the plate
presently on the loco.

The present plate is cast, with raised letters and edge. The name
is in capitals but the letters 'IR' of 'SIR' are about half the height
of the other letters.

The original plate appears to be different in these respects:

* Much thinner and probably made from thick sheet of brass.
* Name written in capitals thus' SIRJOHN GRICE'... the letters S, J
and G being about half an inch taller than the remainder. Bottom of
all letters on same level. The letters are simple, non-serrif, quite
thin lines and not as compressed as on the present plate.
* The letters are darker than the plate, so presumably etched or
cut into the brass and painted black (or similar) (as was the name
'JOHN BENN' in the well-known photo of that loco (Hainault 861/1886).

* There is no raised edge to the plate (obviously, as it was a flat
sheet). Rather there is an etched perimeter line, dark coloured, set
about half an inch in from the edge of the plate.
* The four fixing bolts (dome headed) are at the extreme corners of
the plate.I trust that this is of some help.

Regards,

Richard Horne
Croydon
United Kingdom




____________ _________ _________ __
From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@ ...>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au
Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 3:08:23
Subject: [LRRSA] Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West
Melbourne Gasworks


"Light Railways" No.90 had a photograph of Peckett 0-4-0ST loco "Sir
John Grice" (B/No.1711 of 1926) in service at the West Melbourne
Gasworks. That photo is not very distinct in the area where the
nameplate should be, but it appears the nameplate was either very
flat, or it has dropped off!

I am wondering if anyone knows of any other photos of the loco in
service at the gasworks, showing the nameplate.

The loco is now owned by the Puffing Billy Railway and is in need of a
repaint. It is proposed to paint it as it was when delivered from the
Peckett Company, and the question has been raised as to whether the
nameplate currently fitted is similar to that originally fitted.

Regards,

Frank Stamford








Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks

Frank Stamford
 

Thanks Richard.

I do not think the current nameplate is cast. It appears to be
aluminium, possibly etched aluminium.

It is certainly different to the plate you describe.

In the photos section of this Yahoo Group I have added three photos in
the Album "Frank's photos":

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/406528701/pic/list

One shows the loco near Fielder in 2007. The second is a close-up of
the nameplate currently fitted to the loco ( - this picture is
actually an enlargement taken from the first picture). The third shows
the loco working at West Melbourne Gasworks, as published in "Light
Railways" No.90. The nameplate in this is very indistinct.

Regards,

Frank


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, richard horne <rthorne475@...> wrote:

Dear Frank,

I have a photo of 'SIR JOHN GRICE' in use at the gasworks, sent to
me by John Buckland many years ago. While the plate is not all that
clear, it can be clearly seen that it is nothing like the plate
presently on the loco.

The present plate is cast, with raised letters and edge. The name
is in capitals but the letters 'IR' of 'SIR' are about half the height
of the other letters.

The original plate appears to be different in these respects:

* Much thinner and probably made from thick sheet of brass.
* Name written in capitals thus' SIRJOHN GRICE'... the letters S, J
and G being about half an inch taller than the remainder. Bottom of
all letters on same level. The letters are simple, non-serrif, quite
thin lines and not as compressed as on the present plate.
* The letters are darker than the plate, so presumably etched or
cut into the brass and painted black (or similar) (as was the name
'JOHN BENN' in the well-known photo of that loco (Hainault 861/1886).

* There is no raised edge to the plate (obviously, as it was a flat
sheet). Rather there is an etched perimeter line, dark coloured, set
about half an inch in from the edge of the plate.
* The four fixing bolts (dome headed) are at the extreme corners of
the plate.I trust that this is of some help.

Regards,

Richard Horne
Croydon
United Kingdom




________________________________
From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 3:08:23
Subject: [LRRSA] Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West
Melbourne Gasworks


"Light Railways" No.90 had a photograph of Peckett 0-4-0ST loco "Sir
John Grice" (B/No.1711 of 1926) in service at the West Melbourne
Gasworks. That photo is not very distinct in the area where the
nameplate should be, but it appears the nameplate was either very
flat, or it has dropped off!

I am wondering if anyone knows of any other photos of the loco in
service at the gasworks, showing the nameplate.

The loco is now owned by the Puffing Billy Railway and is in need of a
repaint. It is proposed to paint it as it was when delivered from the
Peckett Company, and the question has been raised as to whether the
nameplate currently fitted is similar to that originally fitted.

Regards,

Frank Stamford








Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks

rthorne475
 

Dear Frank,

I have a photo of 'SIR JOHN GRICE' in use at the gasworks, sent to me by John Buckland many years ago. While the plate is not all that clear, it can be clearly seen that it is nothing like the plate presently on the loco.

The present plate is cast, with raised letters and edge. The name is in capitals but the letters 'IR' of 'SIR' are about half the height of the other letters.

The original plate appears to be different in these respects:

* Much thinner and probably made from thick sheet of brass.
* Name written in capitals thus' SIRJOHN GRICE'... the letters S, J and G being about half an inch taller than the remainder. Bottom of all letters on same level. The letters are simple, non-serrif, quite thin lines and not as compressed as on the present plate.
* The letters are darker than the plate, so presumably etched or cut into the brass and painted black (or similar) (as was the name 'JOHN BENN' in the well-known photo of that loco (Hainault 861/1886).

* There is no raised edge to the plate (obviously, as it was a flat sheet). Rather there is an etched perimeter line, dark coloured, set about half an inch in from the edge of the plate.
* The four fixing bolts (dome headed) are at the extreme corners of the plate.I trust that this is of some help.

Regards,

Richard Horne
Croydon
United Kingdom




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Subject: [LRRSA] Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks


"Light Railways" No.90 had a photograph of Peckett 0-4-0ST loco "Sir
John Grice" (B/No.1711 of 1926) in service at the West Melbourne
Gasworks. That photo is not very distinct in the area where the
nameplate should be, but it appears the nameplate was either very
flat, or it has dropped off!

I am wondering if anyone knows of any other photos of the loco in
service at the gasworks, showing the nameplate.

The loco is now owned by the Puffing Billy Railway and is in need of a
repaint. It is proposed to paint it as it was when delivered from the
Peckett Company, and the question has been raised as to whether the
nameplate currently fitted is similar to that originally fitted.

Regards,

Frank Stamford

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