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Re: OFF TOPIC - more photos from Germany

Michael C.
 

G'day,
 
Me again - back like a bad smell with more photos from Germany...
 
On my recent trip I also visited a further two classic narrow gauge railways.
 
Firstly there was the 750mm gauge Racing Roland (http://ruegensche-baederbahn.de/home.html) from Göhren to Lauterbach Mole which included a section of dual gauge track. I was blessed with beautiful weather and managed to get line-side for some railway photography.
 
Take a look of you're interested: 
 
 
The second railway was the Mecklenburgische Bäderbahn or 'Molli' (http://www.molli-bahn.de/); the only 900mm gauge railway in Germany. It runs from Kühlungsborn West to Bad Doderan.
 
Here in the UK over the past couple of years the Welsh Highland Railway has been big news as the trains run over Porthmadog High Street. Well, this is nothing compared to the Molli where trains run up a grade through the streets and town centre of Bad Doberan. Cars have to move over and people have to get out of the way. It was amazing!
 
Take a look if you're interested:
 
 
The below album has had some further images added from my trip to Peenemünde and the trip back by rail.
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly


 
 

In a message dated 22/09/2017 17:00:17 GMT Daylight Time, Chapmanmchapman@... writes:
Dear all,
 
Apologies for filling your inbox with what could be considered spam.
 
I've just returned from Germany (again).
 
I've uploaded a collection of images from the two foot gauge Mecklenburg Pommersche Schmalspurbahn; a really small operation based around a railway that used to carry potatoes.
 
Take a look if you are interested:
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly


OFF TOPIC - more photos from Germany

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Apologies for filling your inbox with what could be considered spam.
 
I've just returned from Germany (again).
 
I've uploaded a collection of images from the two foot gauge Mecklenburg Pommersche Schmalspurbahn; a really small operation based around a railway that used to carry potatoes.
 
Take a look if you are interested:
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly


Light Railways 257

John Dennis
 

The mail-out team did a sterling job last night, packing the magazine and no less than five inserts. The mag is now in the hands of Australia Post and (with luck) in members' letter boxes from early next week. I'm not certain when Gordon and Gotch will deliver the magazine to newsagents - that may not happen until closer to the end of the month.

The contents of this issue:

The later years of the Marrawah Tramway (Tas)

The East Greta Coal Mining Company and the European War (NSW)

Singleton Target Range light railways (NSW)

Looking back - Garratt action in the Otways (Vic)

Industrial Railway News - 23 items from around Australia and Fiji

Treasures from Trove: A Dreadful Alternative and a hairbreadth escape (Vic)

Treasures from Trove: The Timber Getters (Vic)

Letters - An interesting rail wagon

Life Memberships: Phil Rickard; Bill Hanks

JLN Southern Award report

Field Reports - Harper’s Mill, Mount Disappointment (Vic) Gauge 1067mm

Heritage & Tourist News - 12 items from Australia and United Kingdom

If you are not a member and can't wait for G&G you can always buy from our online shop:

http://lightrailwayresearchsocietyofaustralia.cart.net.au/Light-Railways-No257-October-2017

or for the PDF version:

http://lightrailwayresearchsocietyofaustralia.cart.net.au/Light-Railways-No257-October-2017-pdf-download

Or better still, subscribe online at:

http://lrrsa.org.au/LRRSA_Join_Renew.html

and the current issue (and those remaining in the year) will be mailed directly to your letter box.


John Dennis
LRRSA


Richmond Vale Railway Museum

Phil Rickard
 

Posted, as received:

STATEMENT FROM THE BOARD OF RICHMOND VALE RAILWAY MUSEUM

The Board wishes to thank emergency services for their efforts in fighting the Richmond Vale fire, which has caused significant damage to the museum collection despite their work.

The museum site is now off-limits and under the control of Fire and Rescue NSW, due to the presence of hazardous materials, and will not reopen until that control is relinquished.

Museum members and members of the public are advised that security has been posted at the museum’s access road to control admission, and that police will be patrolling the area. Please stay away.

Losses include:

·         3 stainless steel passenger cars

·         10 of 16 restored non-air coal hoppers and almost all non-restored wagons

·         All of the unrestored general freight vehicles

·         Approximately 2.5 kilometres of track

·         Damage to number 1 bridge on the link line to Pelaw Main.

These losses mean that the museum’s rail operations will be suspended pending gradual track rehabilitation. An announcement about other aspects of the museum’s activities will be made as soon as access issues are resolved.

We thank the many members of the public, kindred societies, rail industry organisations and community leaders who have expressed their sympathy and support in this devastating event. The Board is developing a fundraising program which will assist the museum to restore the railway to a serviceable state. This will be shared via Facebook and media release as soon as details are finalized.

ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING

For the information of members, the Annual General Meeting of the Museum, which is scheduled for 1.00pm on Saturday 16 September has been transferred from the museum to St Paul’s Anglican Church Hall, 119 Lang Street, Kurri Kurri [opposite the Kurri Kurri Court House]


End.

-----------------------

An ABC news report and some pics of this needless destruction (it was made-made) may be seen here:


Phil Rickard



Re: : Trove Brisbane images

Phil Rickard
 

Thanks Peter,

Must be a "work in progress", so keep watching!

I checked "jetty".  Only about 5/8ths of the BCC's jetty images are on Trove so far.  i.e  Of the ones I mentioned in LR256, the tramway on the Amity Point jetty comes up in Trove, but the Green Island jetty (both of them - the Moreton Bay one and the Cairns one) neither comes up in Trove, so far.

It will be good when one doesn't have to "travel all over the countryside" to check individual sites and libraries etc - one day they will all be seen via Trove.   [but - there's always a but! - I have noticed that sometimes one still gets better results in the individual State libraries catalogues rather than via Trove.]  Must depend on exactly what details they load to Trove or what details the institutions allow Trove to access . . .

cheers

Phil Rickard


Re: : Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

David Halfpenny
 

On 20 Sep 2017, at 02:32, philip.graham567@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

David

Can you post somewhere a screenshot of your FB LRRSA basic page, please? I still have not yet "...bitten the bullet..."

Philip, the screen dump of what I see when I visit the Group is at http://tinyurl.com/y96u8f38 (and attached to this email, below).

It shows Group content menu down the left, Discussion in the middle and NO ADS down the right hand side. Yay!

Along the top, left to right are:
Search field with our Group’s name in it
My coin avatar
My first name
The button that goes to my Home page
FBP Options button
Friend request button (none outstanding)
Messages button (none outstanding)
Notifications button (one outstanding)
Help button
Down arrow to the Facebook settings menu

David




Re: Gold Coast trams

Petan
 

Not sure how they will be unloaded at Southport this time but my images of the unloading ramp they used in 2013 are on my Google Drive. Just flick through my Southport tramway images till you see the various images of the long blue ramp https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwOGE0TE9PalFoNWc

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: Peter Cokley [mailto:yahoomail@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 20 September 2017 2:25 PM
To: LRRSA@...; 'qrig@...'
Subject: Gold Coast trams

 

New trams arriving  http://ridetheg.com.au/glink-greets-newest-vehicles-g/

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Gold Coast trams

Petan
 

New trams arriving  http://ridetheg.com.au/glink-greets-newest-vehicles-g/

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: : Re: Metro Tunnels might utilise tunnel locos?

Philip G Graham
 

Stuart

In my readings to date, the WestConnex project contractors are going for NATM tunnelling with roadheaders - nasty looking beasts with arms topped by whirling balls of very sharp teeth!

The reason is partly because the cross profile of the multi-lane roads will be to a 'Horseshoe' shape. To utilise a TBM would require one of a very large diameter similar to those previously used in Brisbane and Auckland which not do render a suitable lane layout for WestConnex. Another method could have been a smaller diameter TBM and to ream out manually (with roadheader) the remaining profile to suit. Lining is shotcrete and concrete walls/ceilings formed with moveable shutters.

As it is, TBMs will not be used there, and these NATM projects generally use pneumatic-tyred vehicles to dispose of the muck. On the other hand TBMs of rail-sized profile renders a pre-lined envelope of circular profile ideally suited to a rail loading gauge. In the servicing of these latter TBMs, it can be either way, by conrail or the dreaded MPVs - hence our (my) anxiety!

-PGG-


Re: : Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

Philip G Graham
 

David

Can you post somewhere a screenshot of your FB LRRSA basic page, please? I still have not yet "...bitten the bullet..."

-PGG-


LRRSA Onine Shop

John Dennis
 

All,

The LRRSA Online Shop will be unavailable during a "minor outage" on September 25, between 9am and 1pm. It is not clear whether this outage will be for the entire four hour period, or for a just a brief time within those four hours.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer


Re: Metro Tunnels might utilise tunnel locos?

Stuart Thyer
 

Hi Phil

The WestConnex project seems to be clearing a very large site between Sydenham and St Peters stations on the west side, plus a smaller site on the east. In my very regular travels past the site, I’ll keep an eye out for anything rail related. There are some curved yellow machine segments stored near the rail line already, which suggest tunnelling equipment of some sort.

Stuart


Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

Frank Stamford
 


Hello Bob,

On 19/09/2017 9:24 AM, rjt_46@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

G'day,

Yahoo groups provides easily accessible storage for community files and photos of interest - I'm given to understand that FB doesn't provide this facility ? 

Facebook Groups does provide a facility for members of a Group to upload files to a "Files" section.

The "Light Railways of Australia" Group has only been open since last Thursday so it is too early to judge how much this will be used, but there are already two pdf documents in the Files section.

The Group seems to have got off to a good start and now has 148 members spread over a wide geographic area, both in Australia and overseas, and some of the overseas members have made very good contributions to the discussions.

Regards,
Frank
 


David, does your method insulate you from the 'what I had for breakfast' fraternity ?

cheers,
Bob Thornton
Skipton AU



---In LRRSA@..., wrote :


A simple no-data / no-posts / no-‘friends’ Facebook account insulates you from almost all the social nastiness that Facebook haters hate.



Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

David Halfpenny
 


On 19 Sep 2017, at 00:24, rjt_46@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:



G'day,

Yahoo groups provides easily accessible storage for community files and photos of interest - I'm given to understand that FB doesn't provide this facility ?  

Bob,

A Facebook Group provides on the left a Menu comprising:

- Discussion

- Events

- Members

- Videos

- Photos

- Files

then Search

On the right there’s a blather of Ads - unless you 'fix ‘em good' with FB Purity.

In the window between comes whatever you clicked-on from the Menu.

Discussion means the list of posts, with all comments on each post bunched below whatever’s being commented on.
The time order is Latest COMMENT on top (so a noisy beggar can deliberately keep a pet conversation at the top of the heap).
Posts are truncated to squeeze more onto the screen, though not as much as on Yahoo website, and you can see the full contents, by pecking at See More on each one in turn. 
So when making several points, it’s as well to state each in the first line of a separate Comment, or only the most obsessive readers will see they are there.

In other words, it’s structured like a php Forum, but with every damned Post becoming a new Topic - without a Title, and damnably hard work to read. 
SIGH!

So it’s lucky that, totally unlike ‘ordinary Facebook’ there IS a basic Search facility.
It’s little more than a CTRL F  (cmd f on Mac) but nevertheless welcome.*
In the early days of a Group, you can zoom swiftly in on every mention of, say, ‘Shay’. Try it on LRRSA.
As the Group matures, the Results will get too long to manage, but by then FB may well have sharpened its act.
* I imagine it would NOT be on 'ordinary Facebook' :-)

You can opt for email notifications when new posts or comments arrive, to prompt you to visit, and avoid needing to visit during silences.


A simple no-data / no-posts / no-‘friends’ Facebook account insulates you from almost all the social nastiness that Facebook haters hate.

David, does your method insulate you from the 'what I had for breakfast' fraternity ?

Almost entirely. 
ALL the FB Groups I’m on have been 100% on-topic - so far.

Because people are posting directly below a specific header - in our case, LRRSA plus three little cane engines - they tend not to ‘exfoliate’ any more self-indulgently than the same person would on a topic-specific Email Group.
Besides, there’s an armoury of useful Moderator tools to deal with Wallies and Trolls: 

Taken together, those insulate us from scattergun personal announcements made to the great wide world at large, from holiday snaps, and from kittens.
It’s been a relief to Un-Friend (discreetly) all those Narrow Gauge buffs who hold forth endlessly about beer and folksong, because I can now enjoy their undiluted Railway selves on those Groups we share.

David 1/2d


Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

John Dennis
 

Facebook groups have photos, videos and file sections all easily accessible. There doesn't appear to be any way to create folders or directories in the files section, but it is possible to create albums in the photo section. Currently there are 40-odd photos and no albums in the group archives. There are also 2 files.  

The "what I had for breakfast" posts come from friends, or friends of friends, so if you have no facebook friends you should be insulated from those posts.

John

On 19 September 2017 at 09:24, rjt_46@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

G'day,

Yahoo groups provides easily accessible storage for community files and photos of interest - I'm given to understand that FB doesn't provide this facility ? 

David, does your method insulate you from the 'what I had for breakfast' fraternity ?

cheers,
Bob Thornton
Skipton AU



---In LRRSA@..., wrote :


A simple no-data / no-posts / no-‘friends’ Facebook account insulates you from almost all the social nastiness that Facebook haters hate.



Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

Bob Thornton
 

G'day,

I found that Adblock/Plus was becoming less and less useful.  "uBlock Origin" seems to be more effective and with greater control - it has a facility to block large media elements that many web designers like to use, you can select on a page by page basis whether to display the media or not.  This became very useful when w10 gobbled up half my monthly ether allowance in three days for it's largely pointless 'updates'.

An interesting side issue with 'blockers', some sites want to restrict access if they are detected.  Research has shown it seems that most people just close the window and move on.... :-))

cheers,
Bob Thornton
Skipton AU
'moving to Linux Mint'


---In LRRSA@..., <jdennis412@...> wrote :

Isn't Adblock Plus a marvellous add-in for Chrome. I never see ads on Railpage, nor on most other sites. Can't stop Facebook though. 

John




Re: : Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

Bob Thornton
 

G'day,

Yahoo groups provides easily accessible storage for community files and photos of interest - I'm given to understand that FB doesn't provide this facility ? 

David, does your method insulate you from the 'what I had for breakfast' fraternity ?

cheers,
Bob Thornton
Skipton AU


---In LRRSA@..., <david.halfpenny@...> wrote :


A simple no-data / no-posts / no-‘friends’ Facebook account insulates you from almost all the social nastiness that Facebook haters hate.


Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

David Halfpenny
 


On 18 Sep 2017, at 01:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

Isn't Adblock Plus a marvellous add-in for Chrome. I never see ads on Railpage, nor on most other sites. Can't stop Facebook though. 

John,

Adblock and Adblock Plus are also available for other browsers too.
But are they ethical? I think so.

Although it’s often said we should accept ads because they "pay for the service", the underlying reality is that it’s actually purchases made from ads that pay for services. Since I never buy anything from an intrusive or distracting ad, nobody loses any actual money by me blocking those ads. On the other hand, I spend quite a lot of money from ads that are not distracting or intrusive.

Facebook is another matter, and the way to manage that is with FB Purity (Google it).
It’s not an all-or-nothing fix: you get to select what you see and what you don’t.

Here’s my clean and non-distracting LRSSA page, showing the FBP tab on the header bar:


Thank you Frank for the Group and the welcome.

I confess I much prefer Yahoo, but since I don’t know how much longer Yahoo Groups will last, I’m keeping Archives.

David 1/2d


Metro Tunnels might utilise tunnel locos?

Philip G Graham
 

Oops, a difficult topic that one of the previous discussion! Hopefully this entry can be an example of keeping this site flowing with interesting information and discussion.

Just expanding a little on some notes with backgrounds outlining the possibilities of some industrial light rail construction railways being utilized on the three tunnel projects currently under way in Australia. Early days yet, but proving to be difficult to determine.

I. PERTH

Public Transport Authority Perth, Forrestfield-Airport Link - SI/NRW jv (C) - Herrenknecht TBM-VariableDensity-Shield 6.2m od x 2 x {8 000 m total} (7/17~_/1x) {SI/NRW=Salini Impregilo/NRW Construction jv}

This project is actually tunneling at the moment, however there are no suitable photos of the operations at rear of the TBM to indicate if tunnel locos are being used? Could anyone from our WA members get a closer look to see if this is the case?

II. MELBOURNE

Melbourne Metro Rail Authority, MetroTunnels, South Kensington~South Yarra  - Cross Yarra Partnership jv (C) - NFM(?) TBM EPB-Slurry-Shield x.xx m od x 4 x {8 400 m total} (_/18~_/2x) {CYP=Lendlease Engineering/John Holland/Buoygues Construction/Capella Capital jv}

TBM #1W (i) Arden{LS}~South Kensington; (ii) Arden{LS}~Parkville~CBD North
TBM #2W (i) Arden{LS}~South Kensington; (ii) Arden{LS}~Parkville~CBD North

TBM #3E (i) Domain{LS}~South Yarra; (ii) Domain{LS}~CBD South
TBM #4E (i) Domain{LS}~SthYarra; (ii) Domain{LS}~CBD South

A little disappointing from a light rail ethusiast's point-of-view. MetroTunnels by selecting CYP has gone for the French partner, Buoygues, who were a partner in the Sydney Airport Link tunnel project. These people have, in the more recent past in other world projects, gone towards extensively using the pneumatic-tyred "Multi Purpose Vehicle" (MPV or MFV) such as those of Techni-Metal or Metalliance or similar to handle ring segment deliveries and grouting materials up to the TBM's back-up area. It looks like, as with Sydney North West Metro, they will be using NFM TBMs from France (TBA).

MetroTunnels themselves have provided mixed messages on this, as some of their graphics and videos (originating from the Crossrail project in London) show both narrow gauge construction railway [conrail] with loco-hauled stock (Crossrail); and also with the rubber-tyred vehicles running on the raw concrete tunnel rings (ie no conrail trackage as with Sydney NWM).

III. SYDNEY

Sydney Metro, City & Southwest line, Chatswood~Marrackville - JHCPBG jv (C) - TBM DoubleShield 7.0 m od x 4 x X XXX m (_1x~_/1x); TBM Hybrid MixedShield/Slurry 7.0 m od x 1 x 700 m {15 500 m total} (_/19~_/19) {JHCPBG=John Holland/CPB Contractors/Ghella jv}

TBM #1N Chatswood{LS}~Blues Point (TBM DoubleShield)
TBM #2N Chatswood{LS}~Blues Point (TBM DoubleShield)

TBM #3H (i) Barangaroo{LS}~Blues Point (TBM Hybrid MixedShield/Slurry)
TBM #3H (ii) Barangaroo{LS}~Blues Point

TBM #4S Marrackville{LS}~Barangaroo (TBM DoubleShield)
TBM #5S Marrackville{LS}~Barangaroo (TBM DoubleShield)

For the newer Sydney Metro City & Southwest line Project Ghella will be the actual TBM operators, they have usually had narrow gauge construction railway [conrail] with loco-hauled stock servicing their TBM projects, so perhaps a better chance of conrail developments on this part Sydney Metro - after the disappointing number of 'MPV' units used on the Sydney North West project. The TBMs (TBA) may come from either NFM or Herrenknecht (or perhaps nominally Australian Terratec will get their first Australian lookin?).

-PGG-


Re: : New Facebook Group: Light Railways of Australia

John Dennis
 

Isn't Adblock Plus a marvellous add-in for Chrome. I never see ads on Railpage, nor on most other sites. Can't stop Facebook though. 

John

On 18 September 2017 at 10:16, 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Railpage is interesting as obviously it is not a closed groups with people of the same interest as it is viewable by anyone without signing in. The adds you see on Railpage are on your computer only and are determined by what the internet companies (cookies etc) have found out about you. One funny example was one person bitterly complained on the public Railpage forums about porn adds on Railpage and claimed that he was a family value man and objected to porn adds on Railpage!! Eventually someone told him that he had just told the world at large that he watches internet porn as the Railpage adds on his computer were determined by the cookies on his own computer!!! Most likely that person deleted his revealing post.

 

This use of cookies can be checked by visiting Railpage and cross checking the adds against what you have been researching lately. As a test, visit a few airline sites and pretend to book a ticket. Soon after the Railpage adds could well be about airline cheap deals!

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


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