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Re: Photos from Port Macquarie trip

loggingloco1 <johnd@...>
 

Dear Chris, Longworths fans,

Out of interest, for a A/B comparison of the site,
recheck the photos in the Files > PK-01 folder,
taken of the same rebuilt section of the Longworth's tramway,
when visited in 2007...
(and allied message #1536)

I agree that many "rehab projects" tend to get a spurt of work,
and then get reclaimed by the bush after a few years of neglect...
(also worth noting that
- the wooden rails now in place are not original
- the signage for the "log landing" would appear to be a significant distance from the actual extant collapsed landing timbers)

Just one reason why high-quality high-accuracy scale model presentations are often more effective in raising awareness of "how it was" to the wider public...

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
John Dimitrievich
aka "Prof Klyzlr"

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Chris Stratton" <gm4201@...> wrote:

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Eddie Oliver
Sent: Saturday, 22 January 2011 11:15 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Photos from Port Macquarie trip

On 22/01/2011 10:46, Chris Stratton wrote:
I've uploaded some photos from my Port Macquarie trip to my folder in
the group Files section at
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Chris%20S/

There is Ricardoes Tomato farm, Timbertown Wauchope and Longworth's
tramway at Kendall.
Thank you very much for that. What proportion of the original length of
Longworth's tramway is covered by the heritage trail or is otherwise
accessible?

I only went to the first point shown on the map, the first green track from
the red fire trail, below falls. I saw about 100 metres of formation there,
about half with the timber rails and sleepers. At the western end of that
section is a barbed wire fence which seems to indicate private property. I
was planning to walk further east but my wife changed her mind and didn't
want to and, as it was hot and humid, we went back to the air conditioned
car. It doesn't appear that much, if any, maintenance has been done since
2001 with a lot of undergrowth on the formation.

Regards,
Chris


Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Bill Fornshell <bfornshell@...>
 

--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Bill Daniels <trailerail@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

From: Bill Daniels <trailerail@yahoo.com.au>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 5:59 PM
















 









Hi,

I've tried opening the link in both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer and keep getting the messages: document not found.

Any ideas?

Thanks,

Bill



--- On Sat, 22/1/11, Bob Thornton <rjt_46@yahoo.com> wrote:



From: Bob Thornton <rjt_46@yahoo.com>

Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

Received: Saturday, 22 January, 2011, 6:56 PM



G'day again,



OK, original file has been deleted and replaced with another which now includes scale data, sorry, seniors moment.....



Just in case it's not obvious: red lines are roads with the fat lines the better choice; crossed black lines are rail, the dashed ones with the dot every fifth are power transmission lines[usually also straight], dashed ones not that obvious - could be rail in tunnel but the portals are usually shown, timber track maybe ?; blue stuff is water with the dotted area to the east of Tullah being swamp; brown is earthen features and contour lines. Think that's all....



cheers,

Bob



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bob Thornton" <rjt_46@...> wrote:

G'day,
I have posted at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqbDrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the area of interest.
Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour intervals are at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number is 8014.
cheers,
Bob

































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Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Worked for me at 1102 just by clicking on the link in this message using thunderbird email and firefox browser.

On 23/01/2011 10:59, Bill Daniels wrote:
Hi,
I've tried opening the link in both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer and keep getting the messages: document not found.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Bill



G'day,

I have posted at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqbDrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the area of interest.


Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Bill
 

Hi,
I've tried opening the link in both Mozilla Firefox and Internet Explorer and keep getting the messages: document not found.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Bill

--- On Sat, 22/1/11, Bob Thornton <rjt_46@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Bob Thornton <rjt_46@yahoo.com>
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Saturday, 22 January, 2011, 6:56 PM

G'day again,

OK, original file has been deleted and replaced with another which now includes scale data, sorry, seniors moment.....

Just in case it's not obvious: red lines are roads with the fat lines the better choice; crossed black lines are rail, the dashed ones with the dot every fifth are power transmission lines[usually also straight], dashed ones not that obvious - could be rail in tunnel but the portals are usually shown, timber track maybe ?; blue stuff is water with the dotted area to the east of Tullah being swamp; brown is earthen features and contour lines. Think that's all....

cheers,
Bob


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bob Thornton" <rjt_46@...> wrote:


G'day,

I have posted at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqbDrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the area of interest.

Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour intervals are at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number is 8014.


cheers,
Bob


Re: Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

Chris Stratton
 

I'm not an expert either but I have looked at the remains many times.
Quoting from the book I have
"The interconnection of the IH&LC line to the Main South Coast Railway
passed through the now demolished Clarke's Sawmill in Marshall Street Dapto;
the sawmill was demolished about 1999 to allow for Fowlers Road to be
extended across the Princes Highway and over the South Coast railway to
service the rapidly developing West Dapto area."

As you can see it has taken them 11 years to extend Fowlers Rd to Marshall
St so I'm not holding my breath for the bridge over the railway.
It is quite easy to see where the railway ran to the smelter at Kanahooka,
especially south of Kanahooka Rd where there is a gap between the fences of
the houses. I still haven't gone to Elizabeth Point to look there but I
believe you can see an embankment.

Regards,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Iain Stuart
Sent: Sunday, 23 January 2011 9:40 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re: Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

I am not clear about that - there is the remains of a siding to the west of
in Marshal St Dapto. We were directed to this as the remains of the IHLCT
but the rails are too new and the tracks are oddly aligned to be the
tramway.



However I am aware that I am very much not the expert in Illawarra light
railways and others on this list may be of more assistance.



The point is development is rapidly occurring so the last remains are going
to be turned into housing.



Regards



Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants









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Re: Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

Iain
 

I am not clear about that - there is the remains of a siding to the west of
in Marshal St Dapto. We were directed to this as the remains of the IHLCT
but the rails are too new and the tracks are oddly aligned to be the
tramway.



However I am aware that I am very much not the expert in Illawarra light
railways and others on this list may be of more assistance.



The point is development is rapidly occurring so the last remains are going
to be turned into housing.



Regards



Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants


Re: 50 years of LRRSA - Sat.18.4.70 Ada 4wd

Roderick Smith
 

I have placed a further five photos.

Some of the identifications are helped by linking via clothing.
04: Lionel in front of Frank lhs; possibly Ralph in the middle; Russell (in the hat) & son rhs rear.
Steve's Toyota was not in the convoy, which had the four vehicles visible here, plus one more LandRover.

Now to our first inspection. I am not sure which mill it was.
07: Frank is vaguely central; poss Steve Martin far rhs, poss Ralph Cleary closest.
08: Frank shows.
09: ?
10: Frank shows.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Bob Thornton
 

G'day Sam,

seeing as it also looks to be drawn as abandoned you would need some ancient images to decide that one.

There would have been service tramways for the mining operations to provide prop timbers and firewood, in huge quantities no doubt. The dashed bit at the southern end of the section you mention may be a snigging[?] track or aerial system for timber cutters ? Some early aerial photos may help.

cheers,
Bob



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Sam Laybutt <crazyknightsfan@...> wrote:


Thanks for posting this Bob. The railways shown around the highway near the Murchison River bridge are quite interesting - what are they? Construction railways?

To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rjt_46@...
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:26:36 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEU7TZImrWO_MLQuQEkTwsUc1_jh5f8XTTjR026SfeiM7EjuvWcUMKA3PM6qffgl7PS-AO-zzchLZ7sO7Qh4PDz4xhpB/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf


Re: Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

Chris Stratton
 

It was a bit south of Dapto station, on the west side of the Princes Hwy
opposite Fowlers Rd. That site has just been obliterated by the extension of
Fowlers Rd to Marshall St to the west. The plan is to further extend Fowlers
Rd over the railway and into Horsley as Bong Bong Rd through the level
crossing at the station sometimes floods, but council keeps saying they
haven't got the money.
My wife and I got stuck in Horsley quite a few years ago after we had been
to dinner at a friend's house and when we went to leave Bong Bong Rd was
flooded and West Dapto Rd was flooded so we couldn't get out. We had to go
back and sleep at their house, we got out the next morning OK.

Regards,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of campblbm
Sent: Sunday, 23 January 2011 1:18 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

Was the last remaining stub of this line a siding to a sawmill just across a
street from the station? I remember such a siding in the 1970s. From memory
the rails went across the footpath and the roadside drain with an
"econominal" number of sleepers. I doubt if a locomotive could have crossed
the drain.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Iain Stuart" <iain_stuart@...> wrote:

Remains of this tramway which can be seen from the cutting on Bong
Bong Road to Mullet Creek at Dapto are about to disappear under the
West Dapto Urban Release area. Members who wish to inspect the mortal
remains are advised to act now before it becomes urban sprawl.



Regards



Dr Iain Stuart







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Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Joy
 

Go to the new files in the LRRSA group, Bob's Collection and download it there.

Joy

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Terry" <terry.boa@...> wrote:


I could not get the link to work - any suggestions for a not fully
computer literate senior?

I visited the area last April and rode Wee Georgie Wood - great
experience - how I wish I had rode it when it ran to Farrell Siding!

Stayed at the Tullah Tavern - good accomodation and meal

What an interesting area - both railway wise and scenery

Terry Boardman


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bob Thornton" <rjt_46@> wrote:


G'day,

I have posted at
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqb\;
DrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/R&#92;
oseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the
area of interest.

Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour
intervals are at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number
is 8014.


cheers,
Bob


Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Terry
 

I could not get the link to work - any suggestions for a not fully
computer literate senior?

I visited the area last April and rode Wee Georgie Wood - great
experience - how I wish I had rode it when it ran to Farrell Siding!

Stayed at the Tullah Tavern - good accomodation and meal

What an interesting area - both railway wise and scenery

Terry Boardman


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bob Thornton" <rjt_46@...> wrote:


G'day,

I have posted at
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqb\;
DrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/R&#92;
oseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the
area of interest.

Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour
intervals are at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number
is 8014.


cheers,
Bob


Re: Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

Barry Campbell
 

Was the last remaining stub of this line a siding to a sawmill just across a street from the station? I remember such a siding in the 1970s. From memory the rails went across the footpath and the roadside drain with an "econominal" number of sleepers. I doubt if a locomotive could have crossed the drain.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Iain Stuart" <iain_stuart@...> wrote:

Remains of this tramway which can be seen from the cutting on Bong Bong Road
to Mullet Creek at Dapto are about to disappear under the West Dapto Urban
Release area. Members who wish to inspect the mortal remains are advised to
act now before it becomes urban sprawl.



Regards



Dr Iain Stuart



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Illawarra Harbour and Land Corporation Tramway

Iain
 

Remains of this tramway which can be seen from the cutting on Bong Bong Road
to Mullet Creek at Dapto are about to disappear under the West Dapto Urban
Release area. Members who wish to inspect the mortal remains are advised to
act now before it becomes urban sprawl.



Regards



Dr Iain Stuart


Mount White/Mooney Mooney Creek construction railway

Sam Laybutt
 

Hi everyone,


Whilst reading a book called 'The Roadmakers' by the former Department of Main Roads, I found something that I thought might be of interest to the group.


In a chapter describing construction of the Pacific Highway between Hawkesbury River and Gosford was the following:


"Before a temporary timber access bridge was built across Mooney Mooney Creek in 1927, horses and drays were taken over by flying fox. On the Mount White - Gosford section a light railway was introduced and tumbling tommies replaced the drays. These small railway barrows held about one cubic yard of material and ran from cutting to fill, being drawn back by horses."


Cheers


Sam


Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Sam Laybutt
 

Thanks for posting this Bob. The railways shown around the highway near the Murchison River bridge are quite interesting - what are they? Construction railways?

To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rjt_46@yahoo.com
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 08:26:36 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan




























G'day again,



OK, original file has been deleted and replaced with another which now includes scale data, sorry, seniors moment.....



Just in case it's not obvious: red lines are roads with the fat lines the better choice; crossed black lines are rail, the dashed ones with the dot every fifth are power transmission lines[usually also straight], dashed ones not that obvious - could be rail in tunnel but the portals are usually shown, timber track maybe ?; blue stuff is water with the dotted area to the east of Tullah being swamp; brown is earthen features and contour lines. Think that's all....



cheers,

Bob



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bob Thornton" <rjt_46@...> wrote:

G'day,
I have posted at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqbDrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the area of interest.
Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour intervals are at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number is 8014.
cheers,
Bob


















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Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Geoff WALLACE
 

Hello Bob,

I get an error message ³Document Not Found

The document you requested could not be found.² when trying to look at the
pdf?

--
Do you own or use an Apple Macintosh Computer?
If so at some time you will need the macfixer
<http://macfixer.com.au> Call 1300 MACFIXER 1300 622 349
Geoff WALLACE Melbourne Victoria Australia


From: Bob Thornton <rjt_46@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: LRRSA LRRSA <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:40:07 -0000
To: LRRSA LRRSA <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

G'day,

I have posted at
http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqbDrbQ
E3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry
-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the area of
interest.

Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour intervals are
at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number is 8014.

cheers,
Bob


Re: Tullah - Update - Topo plan

Bob Thornton
 

G'day again,

OK, original file has been deleted and replaced with another which now includes scale data, sorry, seniors moment.....

Just in case it's not obvious: red lines are roads with the fat lines the better choice; crossed black lines are rail, the dashed ones with the dot every fifth are power transmission lines[usually also straight], dashed ones not that obvious - could be rail in tunnel but the portals are usually shown, timber track maybe ?; blue stuff is water with the dotted area to the east of Tullah being swamp; brown is earthen features and contour lines. Think that's all....

cheers,
Bob

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bob Thornton" <rjt_46@...> wrote:


G'day,

I have posted at http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/8A86TafzvtrXrKY0-xV4GDSMJNgLU40FYQRcoFxeEqbDrbQE3Ig_GlD37zRy8ki3chRkzTKKxbN4HvCo8VoZcOCj-KaL/Bob%27s%20collection/Roseberry-Farrell-Tullah.pdf an extract of the 1:100 000 topo showing the area of interest.

Interesting plan, a mixture of metric & Imperial. The contour intervals are at 40m and the elevations are in metres. The sheet number is 8014.


cheers,
Bob


Re: Tullah

Bill Fornshell <bfornshell@...>
 

Hi John,
Thank you very much for the link.  That site was where I saw my first pictures of the Tullah Area.  However, the list of pictures from your link had seven additional pictures that I had not seen before.
Thanks to the help of a lot of nice folks like yourself the puzzle is getting closer to looking like a plan.
Thank you.
Bill

--- On Sat, 1/22/11, pagyahs <westonlangford@eftel.net.au> wrote:

From: pagyahs <westonlangford@eftel.net.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 12:47 AM
















 













--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:

Hello Bill

I'm not sure if you've seen these yet, but some really interesting photos to
help you can be found if you go to http://westonlangford.com/search/ and
search for Tullah.

There seem to be some wonderful modelling possibilities shown.
I'm afraid I don't have a track plan but maybe someone else on here may have
or may know where to find one.
 

John

I have an enquirer (in the US) who proposes to build a model based on Tullah and needs a track layout of the immediate Tullah area. I am following up a couple of lines of enquiry but would grateful for any help in this direction.


Sincerely,



Weston Langford






























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Re: Tullah

pagyahs <westonlangford@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:

Hello Bill



I'm not sure if you've seen these yet, but some really interesting photos to
help you can be found if you go to http://westonlangford.com/search/ and
search for Tullah.



There seem to be some wonderful modelling possibilities shown.

I'm afraid I don't have a track plan but maybe someone else on here may have
or may know where to find one.






John






I have an enquirer (in the US) who proposes to build a model based on Tullah and needs a track layout of the immediate Tullah area. I am following up a couple of lines of enquiry but would grateful for any help in this direction.
Sincerely,

Weston Langford


Re: Tullah - Update

Bill Fornshell <bfornshell@...>
 

Hi Ron,  
Thank you very much.
Bill

--- On Fri, 1/21/11, Ron Martin <ronhil@iinet.net.au> wrote:

From: Ron Martin <ronhil@iinet.net.au>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Friday, January 21, 2011, 11:26 PM
















 









Hello Bill,



I am in Hobart, and will make a few enquiries next week, to see what I can

dig up.



Ron

-------Original Message-------



From: Bob Thornton

Date: 22/01/2011 9:39:23 AM

To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Tullah - Update



G'day Bill,



should have thought of that one ! This was a mining area and as such there

would have be quite detailed maps issued from time to time by the Tassie

State Mining Dept [or whatever they were called at the time]. These will

likely be at a better scale than the old survey maps produced by the Defence

Dept.



A request to both the State Library of Tasmania and the State Archives

should be helpful but you may need a local contact in Hobart to help out....





cheers,

Bob









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