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Re: Neranwood Tramway

Petan
 

At following page select the online option left side on screen about half way down  http://onesearch.slq.qld.gov.au/primo_library/libweb/action/dlDisplay.do?dscnt=1&docId=slq_voyager696803&vid=SLQ&fromLogin=true

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of Peter C
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013 3:58 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Neranwood Tramway


For a good time, especially for Canungra and Neranwood tramway researchers, go to the following QLD State Library URL and select the 1930 Survey Corp 1:63,360 topographical map described below.  It is in colour.  Also has the Carrara Ferry, Meyers Ferry and a wharf at Harpers Wharf. No Rushton Ferry on the Nerang River but interesting roads leading to river in a likely area. Problem is it is the view on line only type.

 

http://blogs.slq.qld.gov.au/jol/tag/maps/

 

Springbrook Sheet 3 Australia  1:63,360

Springbrook (Sheet 3: Australia 1: 63,360 : [Military survey of Australia : Queensland])

Creator: Australia Army  Royal Australian Survey Corps.

Image number:            696803-s003 Bib number: 696803

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 





Re: Neranwood Tramway

Petan
 

For a good time, especially for Canungra and Neranwood tramway researchers, go to the following QLD State Library URL and select the 1930 Survey Corp 1:63,360 topographical map described below.  It is in colour.  Also has the Carrara Ferry, Meyers Ferry and a wharf at Harpers Wharf. No Rushton Ferry on the Nerang River but interesting roads leading to river in a likely area. Problem is it is the view on line only type.

 

http://blogs.slq.qld.gov.au/jol/tag/maps/

 

Springbrook Sheet 3 Australia  1:63,360

Springbrook (Sheet 3: Australia 1: 63,360 : [Military survey of Australia : Queensland])

Creator: Australia Army  Royal Australian Survey Corps.

Image number:            696803-s003 Bib number: 696803

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 


New file uploaded to LRRSA

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Re: Neranwood Tramway was Gold Coast

Petan
 

Thanks Frank as that adds another piece to solving the jigsaw!!

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013 4:48 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Neranwood Tramway was Gold Coast

 


I cannot speak for Neranwood specifically, but in Victoria they did amazing things with timber bogies if the need arose, and I imagine the same sort of thing happened at Neranwood.

If they had VIP parties visiting they would join two timber bogies together with longitudinal planks and build longitudinal back to back seating on them. I can recall a case where the Governor of Victoria and various government ministers and MPs travelled on a tramway at Forrest in that way, but there were many other examples where VIPs visited timber mills in the bush and they were accomodated on temporarily modified log bogies.

Timber tramways did not have passenger vehicles because they did not legally have the authority to carry passengers. I feel very confident there would have been no passenger vehicles on the Neranwood tramway. The only exceptions I can think of are the Powelltown tramway in Victoria, and various lines in Western Australia (where the whole approach was different), but I cannot think of any other cases. Interestingly the Powelltown tramway, as built, was designed and managed by Western Australian interests.

Regards,

Frank


Dudley (Burwood) Colliery Branch

Brad P
 

Hi all,
         Not entirely sure if this is covered by the LRRSA as such.
  Twas a privately owned line serving the coal industry, but was always operated by government locomotives with private and government rollingstock.
  Im guessing not given the non coverage of the SMR today, so may have answered my own question.
 
  Anyway you can always delete it.
 
  But should you be interested one way or another, here be some shots from a brief investigation of the Dudley Colliery branch last Saturday.
 
 
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Re: Neranwood Tramway was Gold Coast

Frank Stamford
 


I cannot speak for Neranwood specifically, but in Victoria they did amazing things with timber bogies if the need arose, and I imagine the same sort of thing happened at Neranwood.

If they had VIP parties visiting they would join two timber bogies together with longitudinal planks and build longitudinal back to back seating on them. I can recall a case where the Governor of Victoria and various government ministers and MPs travelled on a tramway at Forrest in that way, but there were many other examples where VIPs visited timber mills in the bush and they were accomodated on temporarily modified log bogies.

Timber tramways did not have passenger vehicles because they did not legally have the authority to carry passengers. I feel very confident there would have been no passenger vehicles on the Neranwood tramway. The only exceptions I can think of are the Powelltown tramway in Victoria, and various lines in Western Australia (where the whole approach was different), but I cannot think of any other cases. Interestingly the Powelltown tramway, as built, was designed and managed by Western Australian interests.

Regards,

Frank




On 2/05/2013 3:25 PM, Peter wrote:
 

All things come to those who wait... [or start to use their brains and check trove for the answer!!]

Telephone Facilities at Neranwood.
Captain Jas. Francis, M.H.R., has been advised officially that arrangements are being made to commence the transaction of trunk line and telegraph business at the Nerang Hardwood Co.'s mill near Mudgeeraba. The office will be known as Neranwood and the hours of attendance will be from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Telegrams must be called for.
From; The Brisbane Courier Wednesday 6 February 1924 P.15

The matter of tramway passenger transport still interests me as the mill's opening ceremony had 80 guests, the majority of whom proceeded by the McKean car to Mudgeeraba, where they assembled at the company's tramline. The Minister for Lands (Mr. McCormack) mounted the footplate of the locomotive and briefly performed the ceremony of opening the line. On arrival at Neranwood,the Minister performed the opening ceremony formally opened the new mill at Neranwood, as well as the eight miles of tramline connecting it with Mudgeeraba, for the Nerang Hardwood Co. Ltd. After inspecting sawing operations, and the working of the machinery, the guests were entertained at luncheon.

[Trove] The Brisbane Courier Tuesday 18 November 1924, page 6

Therefore.. 80 high society folk, including ladies in their fine dresses, needed to be transported in time for luncheon etc so either road or tram was used.

The locals had told the education dept the teacher's best option to reach Neranwood was travel on the tramway so the interesting question is did the 80 guests also travel on the tramway and if so how? I imagine the teacher may be prepared to ride a timber wagon but high society ladies probably would require some form of seating. The tramway transported sawn timber to Mudgeeraba so may have had flat wagons so temporary seats could be installed?

Cheers
Peter Cokley

--- In LRRSA@..., "Peter" wrote:
>
> At this stage I am pretty sure "Neranwood Tel.O" marked just south of the mill, means telegraph Office.
>
> No one here has jumped in to say it is not. That "Tel.O" could be standard mapping abbreviation so I will move onto my next tramway puzzle.
>
> Cheers
> Peter Cokley
>
> --- In LRRSA@..., "Peter" wrote:
> >
> > So far no replies re my earlier question if "Neranwood Tel.O" marked just south of the mill, means telegraph Office?
> >
> > I know there was a post office at Neranwood [Burrows 1989 P.62]but a post office could mean either a post receiving/dispatching office for the envelopes and parcels transported by the mail run or it could also include a telegraph office which means the additional feature of the telegraph wire strung back to a main center? If "Tel.O" refer to telegraph office then that shows Neranwood had a definite upgrade from just a mail and parcels office.
> > Cheers
> > Peter Cokley
>




Anzac biscuits tin

denis.wasley
 

G'Day,
Anyone know the origin and story of the photo used on the latest collectors edition of Anzac biscuit tins?
It has "Balikpapan 1945" under the photo.
cheers
Denis Wasley


Re: Neranwood Tramway was Gold Coast

Petan
 

All things come to those who wait... [or start to use their brains and check trove for the answer!!]

Telephone Facilities at Neranwood.
Captain Jas. Francis, M.H.R., has been advised officially that arrangements are being made to commence the transaction of trunk line and telegraph business at the Nerang Hardwood Co.'s mill near Mudgeeraba. The office will be known as Neranwood and the hours of attendance will be from 9 a.m. to 6 p.m. Telegrams must be called for.
From; The Brisbane Courier Wednesday 6 February 1924 P.15

The matter of tramway passenger transport still interests me as the mill's opening ceremony had 80 guests, the majority of whom proceeded by the McKean car to Mudgeeraba, where they assembled at the company's tramline. The Minister for Lands (Mr. McCormack) mounted the footplate of the locomotive and briefly performed the ceremony of opening the line. On arrival at Neranwood,the Minister performed the opening ceremony formally opened the new mill at Neranwood, as well as the eight miles of tramline connecting it with Mudgeeraba, for the Nerang Hardwood Co. Ltd. After inspecting sawing operations, and the working of the machinery, the guests were entertained at luncheon.

[Trove] The Brisbane Courier Tuesday 18 November 1924, page 6

Therefore.. 80 high society folk, including ladies in their fine dresses, needed to be transported in time for luncheon etc so either road or tram was used.

The locals had told the education dept the teacher's best option to reach Neranwood was travel on the tramway so the interesting question is did the 80 guests also travel on the tramway and if so how? I imagine the teacher may be prepared to ride a timber wagon but high society ladies probably would require some form of seating. The tramway transported sawn timber to Mudgeeraba so may have had flat wagons so temporary seats could be installed?

Cheers
Peter Cokley

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter" <yahoomail@...> wrote:

At this stage I am pretty sure "Neranwood Tel.O" marked just south of the mill, means telegraph Office.

No one here has jumped in to say it is not. That "Tel.O" could be standard mapping abbreviation so I will move onto my next tramway puzzle.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter" <yahoomail@> wrote:

So far no replies re my earlier question if "Neranwood Tel.O" marked just south of the mill, means telegraph Office?

I know there was a post office at Neranwood [Burrows 1989 P.62]but a post office could mean either a post receiving/dispatching office for the envelopes and parcels transported by the mail run or it could also include a telegraph office which means the additional feature of the telegraph wire strung back to a main center? If "Tel.O" refer to telegraph office then that shows Neranwood had a definite upgrade from just a mail and parcels office.
Cheers
Peter Cokley


Yarra Junction Map

Trevor Staats <steamfreak@...>
 

Hi all,

I obtained a number of old maps recently (1960’s to 1980’s), one of which was a 1966 Royal Australian Survey Corps 1:50 000 Gembrook map.  It covers north as far as Yarra Junction & Warburton, and I noted with interest that it still shows the route of the old Yarra Junction to Powelltown line – I thought this may be of interest.  Scan attached.

 

Cheers,

Trevor.

 


Malcolm Moore TACL-type

Peter Evans
 

Hi Rod,
 
Malcolm Moore No.23 (SECV Rubicon) - impossible to tell what the wheels are like from existing photos, and all we have of the actual loco is one ballast/buffing weight
 
Malcolm Moore TACL-type at Alexandra (also early model) probaby ex Toorongo Ash No.3 Mill - cast steel discs with six holes - there is a photo on the ATT website showing these wheels.
 
Cheers,
PeterE.

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Re: Neranwood Tramway was Gold Coast

Petan
 

Neranwood Hardwood Company's mid-1920s sawmill site relics.
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwbjktRUgwSkhFc3M/edit

The large concrete remains match John Kerr's notes, although a little more overgrown then in John's pictures.

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Re: Mt Lyell electric locos

Anthony Coen <ajcoen@...>
 

John, I have a photo. of it at Zeehan somewhere stashed away. I’ll see what I can do.

 

Cheers,

 

            Tony.

 


From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2013 12:24 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Mt Lyell electric locos

 

 

I am on the lookout for a late photo of 2ft gauge overhead wire electric locomotive number 4 at Mt Lyell.

It was similar to the three English Electrics numbered 1 to 3.

While there are quite a few of it around in its earlier days, I’d like to find one from the 1970s, or of it after its withdrawal.

It was reportedly out the back of the Zeehan Museum in 1997 but has since disappeared. Perhaps someone took a photo of it there?

Thanks

 

     John

 


Re: Here She Comes [4 Attachments] - Taronga Zoo Miniature Train Opening 1929-12-10.JPG

Bill Bolton
 

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 11:17:43 -0000, PeterM wrote:

The Sydney one seems to have had a short life being replaced by a
new loco in November 1934 for some unknown reason - possibly due
to a derailment in September 1932, when 2 people were injured -
though it, or another loco was still running in April 1933.
I recently came across a family snapshot of myself as a small child
(about 4 or 5 I think), standing in front of the loco at Taronga Zoo
with 'Here She Comes' on the "smokebox" - that would date to circa
1954-55.

I'll see if I can locate it again.

Cheers,

Bill


Re: Here She Comes [4 Attachments] - Taronga Zoo Miniature Train Opening 1929-12-10.JPG

John Browning
 

It is definitely the Taronga Park Zoo one at the Coolangatta site as reference to photographs shows that the other two did not have the raised "firebox" cab roof raised so high.
John


Re: Mt Lyell electric locos

John Browning
 

Thank you Scott.

Your colour photo is indeed the one that is by the side of the Highway as you come in to Queenstown from the north.

I believe this location is near the old mine offices, and it used to be referred to as the ‘Mount Lyell Museum’.

 

Your B&W image I had not seen before so many thanks for that one.

 

     John

 

 


Re: Here She Comes [4 Attachments] - Taronga Zoo Miniature Train Opening 1929-12-10.JPG

jf11885
 

Adelaide, Melbourne & Sydney Zoos all had the 'Here She Comes' loco - all built by McKay of Sunshine Victoria in February, 1925, April 1923 & October 1929 respectively.

The Sydney one seems to have had a short life being replaced by a new loco in November 1934 for some unknown reason - possibly due to a derailment in September 1932, when 2 people were injured - though it, or another loco was still running in April 1933.

The Melbourne one appears to have been running in 1940 until replaced by the well known 'Spirit Of Zoo' (Spirit of Progress) loco in November 1941.

The Adelaide train appears to have operated until the mid 1960s, when it was replaced by another loco.

It is reputed that it is the Adelaide train that is at the Coolangatta Historic Village Motel (near Berry, NSW). The train was planned to be auctioned in November 1984 [LRN 10/1985], and the track lifted in 1988 [LRN 10/1988]. The train was still noted there in March 1995 [LRN 4/1995]

PeterM

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Bill Bolton <billbolton.email@...> wrote:

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:31:26 +1000, Chris Stratton wrote:

I recall this loco being discussed previously but can't remember&#92;>
where it came from, can someone please enlighten me?
IIRC, both Sydney and Melbourne Zoos had "miniature trains" with a
'Here She Comes' locomotive, so it could have been one of them.

See attached news clipping for the opening of the Sydney Zoo train.

Cheers,

Bill


Re: The very earliest Malcolm Moore Fordson-powered rail tractors relied on the tractor gearbox for reverse, hence having only one gear in that direction. There is no evidence (of which I am aware) for these early models ever carrying TACL plates, but they did have "Malcolm Moore" cast into the buffing weights. Many other features were however carried over into the TACL design, including the axle box and chain cog castings. The Australian patent for the TACL-type was taken out in the name of Malcolm Moore in 1924, and the Australian 'Tractor Appliance Company Limited' was clearly patterned on the American Company of the same name established by Henry Ford in 1922.

Rod Hutchinson
 

Peter,

What type of wheels did the Rubicon MM have; spoke or disc?

RodH

On Apr 19, 2013 2:32 AM, "Peter Evans" <peter@...> wrote:
 



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Re: Here She Comes [4 Attachments] - Taronga Zoo Miniature Train Opening 1929-12-10.JPG

Bill Bolton
 

On Sun, 28 Apr 2013 16:31:26 +1000, Chris Stratton wrote:

I recall this loco being discussed previously but can't remember&#92;>
where it came from, can someone please enlighten me?
IIRC, both Sydney and Melbourne Zoos had "miniature trains" with a
'Here She Comes' locomotive, so it could have been one of them.

See attached news clipping for the opening of the Sydney Zoo train.

Cheers,

Bill


Re: Here She Comes [4 Attachments]

Kevin Sewell
 

IIRC, it came from Taronga Zoo.


On Sun, Apr 28, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Chris Stratton <gm4201@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Chris Stratton included below]

I visited the Coolangatta Historic Village (NSW) last Wednesday and took a few photos of the loco “Here She Comes”  and the train that used to run there. The pictures are attached. I recall this loco being discussed previously but can’t remember where it came from, can someone please enlighten me? Also, what type is the loco’s engine seen in one of the photos, it looks rather old?

 

Regards,

CS

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gm4201

 




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