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Re: Marrickville, Sydney Metrol tunnelling

Terry
 

Although the site is in the suburb of Marrickville those of us who relate more to railway stations will recognise it as the one time Sydney Steel(?) location alongside the Illawarra line just on the St. Peters side of Sydenham station (near the large stormwater retention dam.
Terry


Re: Desalination tram

Petan
 

Thanks Folks!

 

LR s 196 & 197 that John listed now downloaded as PDFs from the LRRSA online bookshop! LR197 even had a loco picture.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 2 September 2018 3:35 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Desalination tram

 

Reports in LR 193, 196 & 197.
John


Marrickville, Sydney Metrol tunnelling

John Browning
 

For those interested in current light railway operations, there has been a possible sighting of narrow gauge tunnelling locomotives at the Marrickville site for the Sydney Metro. If anyone can go to the Bedwin Road overbridge it should be possible to take some photos from there. It is vital to record what we can as once they go underground, identification will be even harder. Hoping to see some photos before long. Thanks to anyone who can help.
John 


Re: Desalination tram

John Browning
 

Reports in LR 193, 196 & 197.
John


Re: Desalination tram

John Browning
 

Yes. As reported in LR but I can't quote the issue(s) just now.
John


Re: Desalination tram

Philip G Graham
 

Hi Peter

I have seen ..somewhere.. that there were hire locomotives from the US firm Mining Equipment Ltd (MEL), mostly various models of second-hand Plymouth locos. Perhaps John can enlighten us shortly?

-PGG-


Desalination tram

Petan
 

I am wondering if there is any more tramway data on the Tugun Gold Coast desalination project.

 

Back in LRRSA group message 3197 on Oct. 23, 2009 John Browning wrote the following message, shown below, about desalination projects. Yesterday I also purchased the PDF for Light Railways 193 February 2007 which also contained John’s message on the Tugun Gold Coast desalination project including that John Holland Construction was responsible for building twin undersea tunnels for the intake and discharge pipelines for the project, both of which were excavated concurrently by tunnel boring machine. Twin access shafts were excavated at Betty Diamond Park, Tugun. John Holland was attempting to source 10 km of 401b rails for this project in November 2006.

 

John’s message 3197 on Oct. 23, 2009; It is well known that narrow gauge rail equipment was used for the ocean intake and outlet tunnels of the Gold Coast desalination project. With similar projects at Kurnell (NSW), Wonthaggi (Vic), Port Stanvac (SA) and Binningup (WA), the possibility of significant narrow gauge railway use cannot be discounted. These projects are fleeting and hard to gain any access to, but if they are not even recorded when they take place, our knowledge going into the future is the poorer. Can anyone provide any information about the possible use of rail equipment in these (or similar) tunnel projects? I am keen to see any relevant information reported in 'Light Railways'. Thanks John.

 

I have searched the past messages on this LRRSA group and John’s 2009 message is the sole Tugun desalination mention I can locate.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 


Re: Sydney Metro may have tunnel locomotives

Stuart Thyer
 

Further to Philips posting, the Chatswood site is fast developing, with a large shed already erected on the site midway between Chatswood and Artamon stations adjacent to the north shore railway. The site is between Nelson st and Mowbray rd and as the shed opens towards Nelson st, an excellent view into the site is probably available there.


Sydney Metro may have tunnel locomotives

Philip G Graham
 

Project overview

Sydney Metro, City & Southwest line, Chatswood~Marrickville - JHCPBG jv (C) - TBM DoubleShield 7.0 m od x 4 x X XXX m (_/19~_/2x); TBM Hybrid MixedShield/Slurry 7.0 m od x 1 x 700 m {15 500 m total} (_/19~_/19) {JHCPBG=John Holland/CPB Contractors/Ghella jv}

TBM #1N Chatswood{LS}~Blues Point (TBM DoubleShield)
TBM #2N Chatswood{LS}~Blues Point (TBM DoubleShield)

TBM #3H (i) Barangaroo{LS}~Blues Point (TBM Hybrid MixedShield/Slurry)
TBM #3H (ii) Barangaroo{LS}~Blues Point

TBM #4S Marrickville{LS}~Barangaroo (TBM DoubleShield)
TBM #5S Marrickville{LS}~Barangaroo (TBM DoubleShield)

For the newer Sydney Metro City & Southwest line Project jv partner Ghella will be the actual TBM operators, they have usually had narrow gauge construction railway [conrail] with loco-hauled stock servicing their TBM projects, and recent indications from the Sydney Metro City & Southwest Marrickville site office tend to reinforce this surmise. The tunnel locomotives and supporting rolling stock have not yet been identified, these usually are delivered on a Just-In-Time basis. It remains to be said that close observation by LRRSA members and other interested parties of this work-site from the vantage point of the Bedwin Road Overbridge needs to be reported frequently during the next three months. Once the locomotives arrive they will only be on the surface for a few weeks before disappearing 'down-the-hole". A useful identification feature is the paint colour of orange (new-build Schöma); white (second-hand Schöma) or Yellow/Blue (GIA).

The first TBM is currently being assembled at the Marrickville Dive Site. The Herrenknecht Doubleshield TBM has serial number S-1137 and the second is due shortly.

Sydney Metro, City & Southwest line, Marrackville~Barangaroo - JHCPBG jv (C) - Herrenknecht TBM DoubleShield (i) Up Line S-1137 7.0 m od x X XXX m (_/19~_/2x); Down Line S-11xx 7.0 m od x X XXX m (_/19~_/2x) {JHCPBG=John Holland/CPB Contractors/Ghella jv}

Also the trend for acoustic sheds over the surface worksites means that later one will have to rely on "official sources" for glimpses of interior tunneling works down to TBM level.

Please report your sightings to the LRRSA group here or the Light Railways News Editor.

-PGG-


Kangaroo Island Salt Railway

Chris Ward
 

Does anyone have access to photographs of the engines and other equipment used on the salt railway from Muston to Salt Lake.  I’m anxious to obtain quality photos for display to recognise these engines and the railway that operated up until about 1950.  Most tourists and many locals have no knowledge of this part of Kangaroo Island’s history.  Any additional information concerning Kerr Stuart  locomotives that were used including the Day’s Caterpillar powered engine and the Purcell section car would be very welcome

 

Regards

Chris

Kangaroo Island Pioneers Association, Inc.

 


Light Railways No.262 is in the mail

Frank Stamford
 

Light Railways 262, the August issue, and the first of the 2018-2019 membership year, was packed by a willing team of volunteers last night, and handed over to Australia Post today. 

The main articles in this issue include The Clarence River Breakwater, Part 4 (NSW); Baxter & Prince Sawmills and the locomotive "Deane" (WA); and Schoema Tunnel Locomotives Exported to Australia and New Zealand; along with the regular Industrial Railway News, Heritage & Tourist, Field Reports, and Letters section. And it is a 48 page issue this time.

All being well your copy should be in your letter box next week. If you are not a member you can purchase a copy via the online shop, paper or PDF. Follow this link: http://lightrailwayresearchsocietyofaustralia.cart.net.au/

Frank


Cudgen's Decauville

Petan
 

Still researching my CSR Condong topic and found a puzzle for the cylinder size of Cudgen's Decauville steamer.

 

I have found four different published cylinder dimensions for Cudgen's Decauville Loco. Bruce Belbin did two articles, four months apart, in LR when he was editor and used a different cylinder size for the same locomotive in each article. I didn’t notice any LR follow up letter to the editor on the specific Decauville cylinder size topic. CC Singleton also wrote two articles on the topic with a different size in each article, eight years apart. John Armstrong’s 1976 article, noted below, matches Singleton’s second article.  

 

I see 250mm x 320mm cylinders on p.6 of Bruce Belbin's 'Childers number 4 - A brief history of Fowler 16830, Part one - QLD' in LR 204 December 2008.

 

I see 210mm x 300mm on p.12 of the same author's (Bruce Belbin) follow up article, 'Childers number 4 - A brief history of Fowler 16830, Part two - NSW' in LR 206 April 2009

 

I see 9 in (228.6 mm) x 12.5in (317.5mm) in CC Singleton’s ARHS July 1940 Bulletin yet the same author’s, CC Singleton, ARHS July 1948 Bulletin states 9in x 12in (304.8mm), eight years later, so he may have found a different source in that eight years.

 

I see 9in diameter by 12in stroke cylinders in John Armstrong's 1976 Tweed ARHS Bulletin article.

 

No cylinder size for this loco in CS Small’s ‘Decauville Locomotives in Australia’, ARHS Bulletin April 1971.

 

The locomotive, 245 of 1897, was ordered for Penny & Co of Knockroe Sugar Mill, Cordalba, which is in the Isis district near Childers QLD.  Its  August 1897 arrival at Knockroe is recorded in Trove http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article21562872   This mill started operations about 1892 and continued until 1902, when it was sold to the CSR and the Decauville went to CSR’s Childers mill. It arrived at the then isolated Cudgen portion of CSR’s Condong sugar mill tramway system in 1913.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 


Re: Hunslet 1215 / 303

BM
 

Michael,

Wow! You certainly had an amazing day out at the ‘Tracks to Trenches’ event with such an amazing collection of locomotives and other WWI items.

 

I retired as editor of Australian Railway History in late May, so am currently focusing my efforts on my autobiography of my career in international development assistance activities, plus a book on my involvement in railway magazines and railway heritage. Both are major projects!

 

Best Wishes

Bob McKillop

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael C. via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 16 July 2018 7:57 AM
To: lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Hunslet 1215 / 303

 

Dear all,

 

Me again... Apologies once again in advance for filling your inboxes with off-topic emails.

 

This weekend saw the popular 'Tracks to the Trenches' event held by the Moseley Railway Trust http://mrt.org.uk/

 

Please visit: http://www.ww1-event.org/

 

The event saw the official launch of War Department Light Railway Hunslet 1215 / 303 whci I am sure will be familiar to you in Australia.

 

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

 

Please take a look if you are interested: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157671215769618

 

I also met John Browning which was pleasure and a surprise! 

 

Cheers,

 

Michael Chapman


Virus-free. www.avg.com


Re: Hunslet 1215 / 303

John Browning
 

Thanks Michael

The pleasure was mutual.

The wording of that Decauville “builder’s plate” defies imagination.

John


Hunslet 1215 / 303

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Me again... Apologies once again in advance for filling your inboxes with off-topic emails.

This weekend saw the popular 'Tracks to the Trenches' event held by the Moseley Railway Trust http://mrt.org.uk/

Please visit: http://www.ww1-event.org/

The event saw the official launch of War Department Light Railway Hunslet 1215 / 303 whci I am sure will be familiar to you in Australia.

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

Please take a look if you are interested: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157671215769618

I also met John Browning which was pleasure and a surprise! 

Cheers,

Michael Chapman


Re: Melbourne sewer construction, 1890s

Chris Stratton
 

Thanks.

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2018 9:58 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Melbourne sewer construction, 1890s

 

It's VR-speak for level crossing, Chris.

 

John

 

On 12 July 2018 at 21:17, Chris Stratton <gm4201@...> wrote:

What is a PCR?

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Thornton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2018 5:22 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Melbourne sewer construction, 1890s

 

G'day,

"This duct, in Spotswood, was built as a key upgrade to Melbourne’s first sewer system around 1930. It was made by unskilled workmen who dug into the city's swamp with spades and dodged deadly methane explosions."

Ah, yes, a VR gang came close to shading their knickers whilst repairing the PCR at Hall St in Spotswood - they accidentally broke through into this sewer line releasing a large amount of rather odorous, er, flammable gas....  As I recall, this PCR is actually a bridge due to the presence of the sewer.

And, maybe they were were unskilled in the 30's, but the old guys in the 1890's certainly weren't, my g'grandad was in that lot, a highly skilled chippie - if he had to match a piece of fancy milled timber, he hand made the planes to do it, unskilled, humph....

cheers,

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU

 


Photos taken on the construction of the Perth MetroRail City Project

Philip G Graham
 
Edited

An appeal - please can you help?

During the life of the construction phase 10/05~9/06 of the Perth MetroRail City Project, Public Transport Authority, Perth WA AU, Package F, Esplanade~Perth Yard - LCKG= Leighton Contractors/Kumagi Gumi Co Ltd jv (C), there were a number of specialized tours by engineering types and public officials to view progress of the project. Lucky sods, no such luck for the few enthusiasts interested in these proceedings, and it was a bit dicey besides to visit considering various industrial troubles.

During the early part of the first drive from Esplanade station box towards the William Street station box, someone was able to photograph the Schöma CFL180DCL tunnel locomotives at work. The LRRSA has a sequence of these photos, by whom photographed it is not known. Can anybody recognize these photos please, and make known the photographer's name and where we can get in touch? You might recognize the number sequence from your digital camera? DSCF9559-DSCF9572, would be taken sometime late 2005.



Thanks for any help you can render.

-PGG-


OFF TOPIC - American photographs

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Apologies in advance for filling your inboxes with off-topic emails again...

I have recently returned from the state of Maine in America; whilst there I visited four two-foot gauge railways / railroads. I have uploaded 'some' photographs to Flickr:

Boothbay Railway Village
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157696799429101
So far I have only uploaded the railway photos - they had an amazing collection of cars and a room with a collection of out-board motors - there were hundreds!

An encounter with a box van on the quay side in Wiscasset
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157692695485290
This album also contains two shots of a stealth destroyer in dock for repair.

Maine Narrow Gauge Railroad Museum (diesel hauled)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157698493343475

Maine Narrow Gauge Railroad Museum (steam hauled)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157692733476490

Wiscasset, Waterville & Farmington Railway 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157668649379077

Sandy River & Rangeley Lakes Railroad
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157670730847248
There are some amazing views of the scenery and the lakes at the end. I dipped my feet in the lake - crossed of the bucket list!

And I was so impressed with the Bridgton & Saco River Railroad Baldwin number 7 at the MNGRR the loco has it's own album at:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157698988807355

Take a look if you are interested.

Cheers,

Michael Chapman


Re: Melbourne sewer construction, 1890s

David Halfpenny
 


On 12 Jul 2018, at 12:58, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:

It's VR-speak for level crossing, Chris.

John

On 12 July 2018 at 21:17, Chris Stratton <gm4201@...> wrote:

What is a PCR?

Too many TLAs in this business :-)

David 1/2d
Fellow of the PWI

(Three Letter Acronym      Permanent Way Institution)




Re: Melbourne sewer construction, 1890s

John Dennis
 

It's VR-speak for level crossing, Chris.

John

On 12 July 2018 at 21:17, Chris Stratton <gm4201@...> wrote:

What is a PCR?

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob Thornton via Groups.Io
Sent: Thursday, 12 July 2018 5:22 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Melbourne sewer construction, 1890s

 

G'day,

"This duct, in Spotswood, was built as a key upgrade to Melbourne’s first sewer system around 1930. It was made by unskilled workmen who dug into the city's swamp with spades and dodged deadly methane explosions."

Ah, yes, a VR gang came close to shading their knickers whilst repairing the PCR at Hall St in Spotswood - they accidentally broke through into this sewer line releasing a large amount of rather odorous, er, flammable gas....  As I recall, this PCR is actually a bridge due to the presence of the sewer.

And, maybe they were were unskilled in the 30's, but the old guys in the 1890's certainly weren't, my g'grandad was in that lot, a highly skilled chippie - if he had to match a piece of fancy milled timber, he hand made the planes to do it, unskilled, humph....

cheers,

Bob Thornton
Skipton AU