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Re: Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4

Noel Reed
 

In the early fifties I had my railwayman’s annual vacation in Queensland. I  visited many sugar mill sites from Hambledon Mill near Cairns [which had Clyde 0-6-0 diesel locos] south to Moreton Central Mill at Nambour. Most mills had steam locos and I recall and photographed  ‘MORETON’ [which travelled under the QR main line] and ‘VALDORA’ [used for shunting] at Nambour, also other steam locos were photographed at Pleystowe, Isis, Millaquin and Qunaba sugar Mills.  One of these had an 0-4-0 Krauss loco with a large spark arrestor stack like ‘JACK’ from Burrinjuck Dam, also an 0-6-0 loco.  Other mills in that area and elsewhere had ‘Bunderberg/Fowler’ steam locos.

 

A lot of these 35 mm colour transparency images are yet to be scanned when I can afford a good Epson high resolution scanner. Most of my colour film was Kodachrome which retained colours better than others. They have only been viewed occasionally with a 300 watt ‘Aldis’ projector.

Noel Reed. Hornsby NSW.             

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Saturday, 14 April 2018 2:15 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Cc: John & Ann Browning
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4

 

 

The CaneSIG image collection may have what you are looking for Frank:
Image link: North Eton Sugar Mill, Mackay Q 4 Hunslet 4-6-0T Canefield to mill -- 20.9.63 (Built by Hunslet Engine Co. for British War Dept; saw service in France in First World War.), John Browning Collection [Qsugar]
     [http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_rail/qld/jbc/3040A.jpg]

I can provide a publishable (higher resolution and cleaned up a bit) version of the image if John Browning is agreeable.

Best wishes, Lynn

On 14/04/2018 10:19 AM, frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:

Good morning all,

 

The next issue of Light Railways will include an article about Hunslet 4-6-0T locomotive, Buuilder's No.1239, which is now restored in the Workshops Railway, Museum, Ipswich.

 

This locomotive was formerly No.4 of North Eton sugar mill, Queensland. 

 

Whilst we have a number of illustrations for the article, we are looking for:

 

(1)  a photograph of it is service at North Eton (which would be before 1965); and 

 

(2) a photograph of it in its fully restored condition at the Museum.

 

Would any member of this Group be able to provide one or both of these please?

 

The attached picture is one I took in 1964 of the loco in a park.

 

Regards,

Frank

(wearing LR Associate Editor hat!)

 

 

 

-- 
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Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA

 

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Re: Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4 [1 Attachment]

John Browning
 

All good with me, Lynn

 

John

 

From: A C Lynn Zelmer [mailto:lynn@...]
Sent: Saturday, 14 April 2018 2:15 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Cc: John & Ann Browning Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4 [1 Attachment]

 

The CaneSIG image collection may have what you are looking for Frank:
Image link: North Eton Sugar Mill, Mackay Q 4 Hunslet 4-6-0T Canefield to mill -- 20.9.63 (Built by Hunslet Engine Co. for British War Dept; saw service in France in First World War.), John Browning Collection [Qsugar]
     [http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_rail/qld/jbc/3040A.jpg]

I can provide a publishable (higher resolution and cleaned up a bit) version of the image if John Browning is agreeable.

Best wishes, Lynn

On 14/04/2018 10:19 AM, frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:

[Attachment(s) from frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] included below]


Good morning all,

 

The next issue of Light Railways will include an article about Hunslet 4-6-0T locomotive, Buuilder's No.1239, which is now restored in the Workshops Railway, Museum, Ipswich.

 

This locomotive was formerly No.4 of North Eton sugar mill, Queensland. 

 

Whilst we have a number of illustrations for the article, we are looking for:

 

(1)  a photograph of it is service at North Eton (which would be before 1965); and 

 

(2) a photograph of it in its fully restored condition at the Museum.

 

Would any member of this Group be able to provide one or both of these please?

 

The attached picture is one I took in 1964 of the loco in a park.

 

Regards,

Frank

(wearing LR Associate Editor hat!)

 

 




 

-- 
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA


Re: Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4

Frank Stamford
 


Thank you very much Lynn.

I have contacted you directly about a high res version.

It is just what we want.

Regards,
Frank

On 14/04/2018 2:15 PM, A C Lynn Zelmer lynn@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

The CaneSIG image collection may have what you are looking for Frank:
Image link: North Eton Sugar Mill, Mackay Q 4 Hunslet 4-6-0T Canefield to mill -- 20.9.63 (Built by Hunslet Engine Co. for British War Dept; saw service in France in First World War.), John Browning Collection [Qsugar]
     [http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_rail/qld/jbc/3040A.jpg]

I can provide a publishable (higher resolution and cleaned up a bit) version of the image if John Browning is agreeable.

Best wishes, Lynn

On 14/04/2018 10:19 AM, frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:

Good morning all,


The next issue of Light Railways will include an article about Hunslet 4-6-0T locomotive, Buuilder's No.1239, which is now restored in the Workshops Railway, Museum, Ipswich.


This locomotive was formerly No.4 of North Eton sugar mill, Queensland. 


Whilst we have a number of illustrations for the article, we are looking for:


(1)  a photograph of it is service at North Eton (which would be before 1965); and 


(2) a photograph of it in its fully restored condition at the Museum.


Would any member of this Group be able to provide one or both of these please?


The attached picture is one I took in 1964 of the loco in a park.


Regards,

Frank

(wearing LR Associate Editor hat!)




-- 
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA



Re: Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4 [1 Attachment]

A C Lynn Zelmer
 

The CaneSIG image collection may have what you are looking for Frank:
Image link: North Eton Sugar Mill, Mackay Q 4 Hunslet 4-6-0T Canefield to mill -- 20.9.63 (Built by Hunslet Engine Co. for British War Dept; saw service in France in First World War.), John Browning Collection [Qsugar]
     [http://www.zelmeroz.com/album_rail/qld/jbc/3040A.jpg]

I can provide a publishable (higher resolution and cleaned up a bit) version of the image if John Browning is agreeable.

Best wishes, Lynn

On 14/04/2018 10:19 AM, frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:

Good morning all,


The next issue of Light Railways will include an article about Hunslet 4-6-0T locomotive, Buuilder's No.1239, which is now restored in the Workshops Railway, Museum, Ipswich.


This locomotive was formerly No.4 of North Eton sugar mill, Queensland. 


Whilst we have a number of illustrations for the article, we are looking for:


(1)  a photograph of it is service at North Eton (which would be before 1965); and 


(2) a photograph of it in its fully restored condition at the Museum.


Would any member of this Group be able to provide one or both of these please?


The attached picture is one I took in 1964 of the loco in a park.


Regards,

Frank

(wearing LR Associate Editor hat!)




-- 
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA


Re: Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4 [1 Attachment]

Chris Stratton
 

I only have a photo of it at Ipswich pre-restoration, with band-aids attached.

 

Regards,

CS

 

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Subject: [LRRSA] Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4 [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] included below]


Good morning all,

 

The next issue of Light Railways will include an article about Hunslet 4-6-0T locomotive, Buuilder's No.1239, which is now restored in the Workshops Railway, Museum, Ipswich.

 

This locomotive was formerly No.4 of North Eton sugar mill, Queensland. 

 

Whilst we have a number of illustrations for the article, we are looking for:

 

(1)  a photograph of it is service at North Eton (which would be before 1965); and 

 

(2) a photograph of it in its fully restored condition at the Museum.

 

Would any member of this Group be able to provide one or both of these please?

 

The attached picture is one I took in 1964 of the loco in a park.

 

Regards,

Frank

(wearing LR Associate Editor hat!)

 

 





Hunslet No.1239 4-6-0T locomotive - North Eton Mill No.4

Frank Stamford
 

Good morning all,


The next issue of Light Railways will include an article about Hunslet 4-6-0T locomotive, Buuilder's No.1239, which is now restored in the Workshops Railway, Museum, Ipswich.


This locomotive was formerly No.4 of North Eton sugar mill, Queensland. 


Whilst we have a number of illustrations for the article, we are looking for:


(1)  a photograph of it is service at North Eton (which would be before 1965); and 


(2) a photograph of it in its fully restored condition at the Museum.


Would any member of this Group be able to provide one or both of these please?


The attached picture is one I took in 1964 of the loco in a park.


Regards,

Frank

(wearing LR Associate Editor hat!)




Re: Pyrmont CSR

Petan
 

Thanks John!

 

Cheers Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@...
Sent: Thursday, 12 April 2018 2:32 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Pyrmont CSR

 




Molasses sounds like a possibility.

John





Re: Pyrmont CSR

John Browning
 

Molasses sounds like a possibility.

John


Re: Pyrmont CSR

Petan
 

Folks, I am still following up on the molasses help I received the other week .

 

I am checking why, in 1897, the cargo list of a CSR Condong mill, Tweed River, bound ship would include empty casks listed as for CSR, as well as the to be expected coal from Newcastle for CSR Condong. In July 1897 the Langley Brothers ‘Heroine’, an 1894 Nambucca River built 98 feet schooner, was anchored off Coolangatta waiting to enter the Tweed River. Storms generated by an East Coast low lashed at the boat causing waves to break over her deck, staving in her hatches. She slipped her anchors and she was driven ashore close to Coolangatta Creek at North Kirra. Fortunately, the captain and crew landed safely but she was badly damaged and abandoned.   Sources include The Sydney Morning Herald, 27 July 1897, p5 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28252432  

 

My suggestion for the empty casks would be to send out molasses, so I wonder if any other person’s research has found molasses was transported in casks in that era?   

 

On a side note, we are members of the Geocaching GPS hobby and we have a cache at the probably wreck site of the Heroine which is also close to the probably site of the August 1846 wreck of the Coolangatta, a 63 foot 88 ton top sail schooner built in the Shoalhaven area of southern NSW in 1843. She was in the area to pick-up cedar logs harvested amongst the hills of the Tweed Valley. Coolangatta QLD is named after this 1846 wreck. Our geocaching user name is Petan, same as my Railpage name. Our geocaching page Has more  https://www.geocaching.com/geocache/GC5M69F_coolangatta-or-heroine?guid=f948ee9c-a59e-438e-96ca-d1c105c9d06b

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@...
Sent: Sunday, 4 March 2018 5:31 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Pyrmont CSR

 

      Indeed Kevin, My Dad reports workmen who spent time in the empty fermenting vats becoming somewhat merry. They also used beryllium copper tools, to prevent any chance of a spark igniting the vapour. The sugar dust was also highly explosive, a spark from a conveyor, at one time blew out all the windows of the warehouse, into the harbour.

  I rather wonder if the molasses loaded on rail at Condong, went to Pyrmont at all. There were many other users of it. Stock food makers use. Bob


Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus - sold out !

Noel Reed
 

Hello all,

I have travelled on the Gembrook and Crowes lines [as far as Beech Forest] in VR days.

I have also walked from Wangaratta to Targoora on the Whitfield line and travelled back on the open ‘Postal Motor’ in VR days. Targoora looked the same as the picture in ‘Speed Limit 20 Plus’.

I had met  the author, Ted Downs on several occasions at the home of Gifford [Giff] Eardley, Ted’s father in law at Rockdale NSW.

Noel Reed. [once a LRRSA member].

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 6 April 2018 9:43 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Speed Limit 20 Plus - sold out !

 

 

Still available from the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway bookshop in Porthmadog.

;-)

Michael Chapman

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"frank.stamford@... [LRRSA]" wrote:

 

Hello all,

 

Please note that we have now sold out of Speed Limit 20 Plus, and we are unable to get any more stock.

 

Frank

 


Posted by: Michael Chapman



Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus - sold out !

Michael C.
 

Still available from the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway bookshop in Porthmadog.

;-)

Michael Chapman

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone

"frank.stamford@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Hello all,


Please note that we have now sold out of Speed Limit 20 Plus, and we are unable to get any more stock.


Frank



Speed Limit 20 Plus - sold out !

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,


Please note that we have now sold out of Speed Limit 20 Plus, and we are unable to get any more stock.


Frank



Re: Pre-decimal converter

Petan
 

Thanks Stuart!

 

Use the 19th century website http://www.thomblake.com.au/secondary/hisdata/calculate.php  for that era and I used £21000 in 1882 to convert to present day $2622750. But it only worked for £21000 not  £21,000 with the comma after the thousand, so no comma.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@...
Sent: Wednesday, 28 March 2018 3:36 PM
To: Light Railways Yahoo
Subject: [LRRSA] Pre-decimal converter

 

For those who want to know what the pound has bought over the years, the short item below is from the RAHS newsletter. Only goes back to 1901 unfortunately.

Pre-Decimal Inflation Calculator

The Reserve bank of Australia has a very useful tool on its website, the Pre-Decimal Inflation Calculator, to access, click here. This tool will assist you in calculating the value of amounts expressed in Pounds, Shillings and Pence (Australia’s pre-decimal currency). This can be very useful in determining wages and salaries as compared with the cost of buying land or a house, paying rent or purchasing item(s) between 1901 and 2017. For example, it shows that £1/-/- in calendar year 1901 would cost $150.45 in 2017. The total change in cost is 7422.3 per cent, over 116 years, at an average annual inflation rate of 3.8 per cent._._,_.___


Posted by: Stuart Thyer <stuart.thyer@...>

 

 


Pre-decimal converter

Stuart Thyer
 

For those who want to know what the pound has bought over the years, the short item below is from the RAHS newsletter. Only goes back to 1901 unfortunately.

Pre-Decimal Inflation Calculator
The Reserve bank of Australia has a very useful tool on its website, the Pre-Decimal Inflation Calculator, to access, click here. This tool will assist you in calculating the value of amounts expressed in Pounds, Shillings and Pence (Australia’s pre-decimal currency). This can be very useful in determining wages and salaries as compared with the cost of buying land or a house, paying rent or purchasing item(s) between 1901 and 2017. For example, it shows that £1/-/- in calendar year 1901 would cost $150.45 in 2017. The total change in cost is 7422.3 per cent, over 116 years, at an average annual inflation rate of 3.8 per cent.


Hairyleg 2018

Petan
 

The latest 2018 Hairyleg kmz file (4MB file size) is now available from my Google Drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qgWfJ_ov9-Kqvq6tLdrpErDQafMcrJpI/view  

 

John “Hairyleg” (LRRSA member) asked that any comments or questions appear on this Railpage thread https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2097795.htm#2097795  Obviously that is to ensure people can see everyone else's comments so the extra knowledge can be shared. If you make a comment elsewhere that maybe only those who are members of that group can learn from your remarks. Railpage can be easily  viewed by non members.

 

I have found several extras around the Tweed which I know are correct as I sent my recently discovered research material to John for the kmz. Even the Salisbury TNT freight yard from my January / March Australian Railway History article makes an appearance in the kmz file. Many more just waiting to be found.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 


Re: Light Railways 260

David in Avenel
 

I look forward to the article on Torrumbarry having driven through there just recently and remembering that the VR had a siding for the SR&WSC on the Cohuna branch. 

--
cheers and best wishes,  
David in Avenel.au
{Before you change anything, learn why it is the way it is.)


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18th Century waggonway

John Dennis
 

Hi All,

This is an interesting article covering the discovery of the remains of an old waggonway in Tyneside (Newcastle) England.

https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/new-information-sheds-light-miraculous-14433768


John 


Light Railways 260

John Dennis
 

All, 

Light Railways 260 (April 2018) was packed last night, and is in the hands of Australia Post. Expect delivery before Easter, certainly in the capital cities. The PDF version will be made available early next week, to coincide with the delivery of the paper copies. It will also be available in our online shop (easily found from http://lrrsa.org.au/ ) around the same time.

Main articles in this issue are:
- Torrumbarry (Vic)
- The Hercules Company’s Self-Acting Tramway

Plus the usual features: Industrial Railway News, Field Reports, Letters and Heritage & Tourist News. There is also a Tour Report of the Victorian Division's weekend at Mount Samaria, and reviews of two recently published books: Speed Limit 20 Plus (a reprint of the classic Speed Limit 20, updated to the current day) and On Splintered Rails. the first volume of a series titled: The Era of the Tasmanian Bush-Loco 1873-1974.

Meeting details are printed, but are always available at http://lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Meetings.html


John Dennis

LRRSA Sales



Re: Brisbane Grafton data

B.Rumary
 

On 18/03/2018 02:37, 'Hunslet' hunslet@... [LRRSA] wrote:

A 36 class is 59ft 1in.   There were apparently “short 60-ft” and  “long 60-ft” turntables – so it obviously relies on the skill of the enginemen as to whether it would be necessary to split the 36 class for turning.  Armidale had a 60-ft turntable and 36 class off the North Mail were regularly turned there without splitting.

Another matter to consider when turning an engine which is longer than the turntable itself is whether there are any obstructions around the turntable perimeter.   This was found to be the case when a 36 class was first turned on the 60-ft ‘table at Kiama.   Luckily, the local Bridge Gang were working nearby and were able to attend with their oxy-gear to remove the offending item.

There is also the question on many turntables - especially the man-worked ones - of getting the loco properly balanced, so that it could be turned. The loco's centre of gravity may well not be at the same position as the half-way point on its wheelbase, which would mean that the loco would have to be positioned "visually off-centre" to get it properly balanced for turning. And of course the balancing would also be affected by how much coal and water was in the tender when the loco was turned.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: Brisbane Grafton data

Petan
 

Another generous person has sent the following plans with their URL’s below; Casino roundhouse proposal 1931 (2MB) and the 1950 Casino plan for the 105ft turntable for the Beyer-Garratt AD60 class (4MB). As we know, the Garratt, either the original lower axle load type nor the enlarged cylinder diameter (super) type, did not work the North Coast as everyone will no doubt be muttering to themselves by now. But…. Yes…. It is revealed via the 1968 WTT that someone in NSWGR land did include the 60 class (not super type ) in the max speed of engines list with URL below. The super has the double plus sign and is on the right and the other 60 class in in the middle area of the columns. It even includes the Condong mill line, which, you might have guessed, is how I came across it due to my research on that line. Neither of the 60 class had load tables for the North Coast Line in any of the northern WTTs in my collection, including the 1958 one, although the 59 class steamer was in the 1968 north WTT  as far as Sth Brisbane.

 

Chris S, thanks for the news the 75 foot turntable from Thirroul was removed in 1929 and later installed at Casino.

Peter N, thanks for the reminder the turntable is the wheelbase not the length, so now I understand how the 38 class (76 ft 4 5/8in over buffers) fits on a 75 ft turntable. Plus the overhang business!

 

1931 Casino loco https://drive.google.com/file/d/177A27x1lip4zT1eG2yTwwEN6xuNZWRaS/view

 

1950 Casino loco with 105 ft turntable and the word ‘Garratt’ in the data box lower right corner https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vVrILbbOLSXHoZIoUbKMwiwuMdxhrBQn/view

 

1968 WTT loco max speed https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lSzBJYw1fK13zOLQDMe5LjnAdecGYTv5/view

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley