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Re: Federal mill

silvansau
 

Hi again Frank,
                        Thank you for your reply and I thought the barrel staves barrel saw was an easy one for you.
                         Have a Happy Xmas and I am looking forward to the next “Light Railways” issue.
                                                               Yours,
                                                                          Keith Holmes
 

Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Federal mill
 


Hello Keith,

Thank you for your reminiscences of the New Federal and Ada River areas.

Unfortunately I also cannot understand how the saws for barrel staves work, hopefully someone else on this list may be able to explain that.

When you say "the latest Light Railway discussion group, i presume you are referring to the Light Railways of Australia Facebook Group which was mentioned in the latest Light Railways.

There is no email address for it, but there is a website address:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/LightRailwaysAustralia/

If you are not already a Facebook user you will be asked to join Facebook.

We currently have 281 members on the Light Railways of Australia Facebook page, but that umber is constantly growing.

Regards,
Frank


On 18/12/2017 4:51 PM, 'Keith Holmes' sherlock@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 
Hi Frank.
               I have realized that I have a household of books now and hardly ever read any so I pulled out “Mountains of Ash” and devoured it again and also your co authored “Powelltown”. Having walked a lot of this area I am reasonably familiar with that area.
               The last time to the New Federal I had a friend with me who as a young boy was at the Ada No2 in 39 and his uncle dragged him into the dugout and they survived. The leaches are still there and he copped one in the eye that morning. Lunch at the New Federal we stood up as we could hear their teeth gnashing. I drove the wife up to the Ada Tree another day  and that day there were two car loads and I mentioned the man who brought the art of the high leads to the country and one of of the older ladies said “His name was Jack Corbet and he boarded at our place in Warburton.
               The main reason that I have contacted you is that the Federal used barrel saws and even with a couple of photos I still can`t understand how they work. So Frank can describe how they work for me and it will be in my head for future knowledge.
                Now to my last request and could you please give me the the email address of the latest Light Railway discussion group.
                I have been a member since around 1962 and I still devour all news.
                                                                     Kind regards.
                                                                                          Keith Holmes. 
 
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Re: Federal mill

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Keith,

Thank you for your reminiscences of the New Federal and Ada River areas.

Unfortunately I also cannot understand how the saws for barrel staves work, hopefully someone else on this list may be able to explain that.

When you say "the latest Light Railway discussion group, i presume you are referring to the Light Railways of Australia Facebook Group which was mentioned in the latest Light Railways.

There is no email address for it, but there is a website address:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/LightRailwaysAustralia/

If you are not already a Facebook user you will be asked to join Facebook.

We currently have 281 members on the Light Railways of Australia Facebook page, but that umber is constantly growing.

Regards,
Frank


On 18/12/2017 4:51 PM, 'Keith Holmes' sherlock@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

Hi Frank.
               I have realized that I have a household of books now and hardly ever read any so I pulled out “Mountains of Ash” and devoured it again and also your co authored “Powelltown”. Having walked a lot of this area I am reasonably familiar with that area.
               The last time to the New Federal I had a friend with me who as a young boy was at the Ada No2 in 39 and his uncle dragged him into the dugout and they survived. The leaches are still there and he copped one in the eye that morning. Lunch at the New Federal we stood up as we could hear their teeth gnashing. I drove the wife up to the Ada Tree another day  and that day there were two car loads and I mentioned the man who brought the art of the high leads to the country and one of of the older ladies said “His name was Jack Corbet and he boarded at our place in Warburton.
               The main reason that I have contacted you is that the Federal used barrel saws and even with a couple of photos I still can`t understand how they work. So Frank can describe how they work for me and it will be in my head for future knowledge.
                Now to my last request and could you please give me the the email address of the latest Light Railway discussion group.
                I have been a member since around 1962 and I still devour all news.
                                                                     Kind regards.
                                                                                          Keith Holmes. 

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Federal mill

silvansau
 

Hi Frank.
               I have realized that I have a household of books now and hardly ever read any so I pulled out “Mountains of Ash” and devoured it again and also your co authored “Powelltown”. Having walked a lot of this area I am reasonably familiar with that area.
               The last time to the New Federal I had a friend with me who as a young boy was at the Ada No2 in 39 and his uncle dragged him into the dugout and they survived. The leaches are still there and he copped one in the eye that morning. Lunch at the New Federal we stood up as we could hear their teeth gnashing. I drove the wife up to the Ada Tree another day  and that day there were two car loads and I mentioned the man who brought the art of the high leads to the country and one of of the older ladies said “His name was Jack Corbet and he boarded at our place in Warburton.
               The main reason that I have contacted you is that the Federal used barrel saws and even with a couple of photos I still can`t understand how they work. So Frank can describe how they work for me and it will be in my head for future knowledge.
                Now to my last request and could you please give me the the email address of the latest Light Railway discussion group.
                I have been a member since around 1962 and I still devour all news.
                                                                     Kind regards.
                                                                                          Keith Holmes. 

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Gleniffer Incline NSW

Sam Laybutt
 

Has anyone visited to the Gleniffer Incline near Bellingen NSW?


There is a great write-up on it in LR100 which includes mention of a tunnel located approximately here:

https://www.google.com.au/maps/place/30%C2%B022'44.8%22S+152%C2%B051'06.2%22E/@-30.379123,152.8508997,351m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d-30.3791227!4d152.851732


Re: : Speed Limit 20 Plus

dickwho1
 

I still have my original.

 

On 8 Dec 2017, at 10:38, Rod Hutchinson rodhutchy@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

There is a few in Branchline, Victoria, Australia.


Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark
Australia

On 8 Dec. 2017 09:24, "frank.stamford@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Anyone intending to buy a copy of Speed Limit 20 Plus should not delay. We ordered 64 copies and have already sold more than half, and I think sales will be going equally quickly through other outlets. The publishers also have sold most of the print run.

Frank


Re: : Speed Limit 20 Plus

Rod Hutchinson
 

There is a few in Branchline, Victoria, Australia.


Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark
Australia

On 8 Dec. 2017 09:24, "frank.stamford@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Anyone intending to buy a copy of Speed Limit 20 Plus should not delay. We ordered 64 copies and have already sold more than half, and I think sales will be going equally quickly through other outlets. The publishers also have sold most of the print run.

Frank


Re: : Speed Limit 20 Plus

Michael C.
 

We have 20, sorry 19 at the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1792451634130674&id=362079400501245

Michael Chapman

Sent from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone

"frank.stamford@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Anyone intending to buy a copy of Speed Limit 20 Plus should not delay. We ordered 64 copies and have already sold more than half, and I think sales will be going equally quickly through other outlets. The publishers also have sold most of the print run.

Frank


Re: : Speed Limit 20 Plus

Frank Stamford
 

Anyone intending to buy a copy of Speed Limit 20 Plus should not delay. We ordered 64 copies and have already sold more than half, and I think sales will be going equally quickly through other outlets. The publishers also have sold most of the print run.
Frank


Re: [TramsDownUnder] rE: re: RE: Re Rare pictures - the VR St Kilda tramway / railway connection

Noel Reed
 

On  Wednesday, 29 November 2017 2:22 PM      Matthew Geier <matthew@...  wrote---

In recent times in Sydney, the AK inspection train has been hauled by a
pair of S set motors on each end. They fitted MU cables though the AK set so the front 'C' car could control the rear two, not just the one coupled 'elephant style' behind it. ...............................................

A separate temporary MU cable was used back in the fifties when a new VR ‘flat-top’ T class loco built by the Clyde Engineering Co was trialled on standard gauge in Sydney coupled with Clyde loco ‘D1’ which was purchased by the Fyansford Cement Co near Geelong, Victoria. These two locos ran in MU to Victoria, were changed to 5’3” gauge at Bandiana and operated to Melbourne.                                    Loco D1 was changed again to 3’6” gauge  to replace an Australian Standard Garratt  [ASG] loco for use on the Fyansford quarry line. The quarry line had Westinghouse single line automatic signalling with track circuits, supplied by McKenzie & Holland Aust.

After the quarry railway closed, the 3’6” gauge loco D1 was purchased by the VR, changed again to 5’3” gauge, re-numbered to  T413 and used on the Wodonga – Cudgewa line because it had been originally equipped for its use at Fyansford with dynamic braking because of the steep grades.

Noel Reed

From: TramsDownUnder@... [mailto:TramsDownUnder@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 November 2017 2:22 PM
To: TramsDownUnder@...
Subject: Re: [TramsDownUnder] rE: re: RE: Re Rare pictures - the VR St Kilda tramway / railway connection

So the old motors could be coupled back to back ?

I'm not so familiar with the old single deck (32v control) Sydney stock,
but the DD motors were specifically wired so that it was impossible to
couple two motors back to back and have a viable combination. There were
no MU sockets at the other end, only jumper cables. Couple two back to
back and there was no way to MU them together.

They could be coupled nose-to-tail and did run in MMTM combinations. The
heritage F1 set is in a MMTM combination. (Or CCTC in Sydney notation)

In recent times in Sydney, the AK inspection train has been hauled by a
pair of S set motors on each end. They fitted MU cables though the AK set so the front 'C' car could control the rear two, not just the one coupled 'elephant style' behind it. __._,_._

Posted by: Matthew Geier <matthew@...>



Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

Frank Stamford
 


That is  very good change to the Shop, I think.

The first page looks much less cluttered, and the link to the sign on screen is almost the first thing you see.

Regards,
Frank
 

On 30/11/2017 6:02 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 
Back again,

The online shop has been modified. The sign in and password boxes have been removed, and there is now a "Sign In" link on the top menu line. Clicking on this link will open a new page allowing sign in details. 

In addition, the shopping cart has been removed from the right hand side of the screen, and a link also appears on the top line. The result of this is that the right hand section of the shop has been deleted. 

I am investigating adding the "Featured Products" across the bottom of the page, but that change has not been made. 

The result of this is that logging in to the shop will be across a secure connection.

John

On 30 November 2017 at 15:03, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:
All,

I have done some research and asked a couple of knowledgeable friends. Chrome and Firefox (and possibly others) automatically display "Insecure Connection" if a web page includes the word "password" (or something like "enter your credit card details") and the connection is not secured - which means no encrypted. 

That means the mythical "man in the middle" could indeed collect your email and password, but what could he do with that? Buy books on your account, but how can he pay for them? You still need to enter credentials when paying. Every other page, after logging in, are indeed properly secured. 

I'm not certain whether the host of the online shop is able to install a security certificate from the society, which would, in any case, be just for this first page.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer


On 30 November 2017 at 09:48, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Its common on everything though and doesn’t seem to be too much of a problem. I recall it was a Firefox browser problem which typically their support blamed on everyone’s anti-virus. Whether it is a real world problem is another question. My view is that it isn’t.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...





Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

John Dennis
 

Back again,

The online shop has been modified. The sign in and password boxes have been removed, and there is now a "Sign In" link on the top menu line. Clicking on this link will open a new page allowing sign in details. 

In addition, the shopping cart has been removed from the right hand side of the screen, and a link also appears on the top line. The result of this is that the right hand section of the shop has been deleted. 

I am investigating adding the "Featured Products" across the bottom of the page, but that change has not been made. 

The result of this is that logging in to the shop will be across a secure connection.

John

On 30 November 2017 at 15:03, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:
All,

I have done some research and asked a couple of knowledgeable friends. Chrome and Firefox (and possibly others) automatically display "Insecure Connection" if a web page includes the word "password" (or something like "enter your credit card details") and the connection is not secured - which means no encrypted. 

That means the mythical "man in the middle" could indeed collect your email and password, but what could he do with that? Buy books on your account, but how can he pay for them? You still need to enter credentials when paying. Every other page, after logging in, are indeed properly secured. 

I'm not certain whether the host of the online shop is able to install a security certificate from the society, which would, in any case, be just for this first page.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer


On 30 November 2017 at 09:48, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Its common on everything though and doesn’t seem to be too much of a problem. I recall it was a Firefox browser problem which typically their support blamed on everyone’s anti-virus. Whether it is a real world problem is another question. My view is that it isn’t.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...




Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

John Dennis
 

All,

I have done some research and asked a couple of knowledgeable friends. Chrome and Firefox (and possibly others) automatically display "Insecure Connection" if a web page includes the word "password" (or something like "enter your credit card details") and the connection is not secured - which means no encrypted. 

That means the mythical "man in the middle" could indeed collect your email and password, but what could he do with that? Buy books on your account, but how can he pay for them? You still need to enter credentials when paying. Every other page, after logging in, are indeed properly secured. 

I'm not certain whether the host of the online shop is able to install a security certificate from the society, which would, in any case, be just for this first page.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer


On 30 November 2017 at 09:48, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Its common on everything though and doesn’t seem to be too much of a problem. I recall it was a Firefox browser problem which typically their support blamed on everyone’s anti-virus. Whether it is a real world problem is another question. My view is that it isn’t.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...



Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

Iain
 

Its common on everything though and doesn’t seem to be too much of a problem. I recall it was a Firefox browser problem which typically their support blamed on everyone’s anti-virus. Whether it is a real world problem is another question. My view is that it isn’t.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...


Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

Karen & Paul
 

John,

 

I too have just ordered the book and I also had the message unsecure connection.

So at least 2 of us have experienced this

 

Paul Dove

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Monday, 27 November, 2017 4:40 PM
To: LRRSA Yahoogroup
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

 

 

I've never noticed that before David, and nobody else has raised this.  Once you are logged in everything thereafter is secured. The page you are taken to is a secure page, but whether you login details would be exposed, I don't know. I shall investigate.

 

John

 

On 27 November 2017 at 16:28, espee8800 espee8800@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Upon reading this glowing report/review I immediately went the shop and it instructed me to log-in or I couldn't buy anything.  Fair enough.    When I went to log in it said that it would be over an insecure connection and I am reluctant to log in over an insecure connection.

Please advise.


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Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

John Dennis
 

I've never noticed that before David, and nobody else has raised this.  Once you are logged in everything thereafter is secured. The page you are taken to is a secure page, but whether you login details would be exposed, I don't know. I shall investigate.

John

On 27 November 2017 at 16:28, espee8800 espee8800@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Upon reading this glowing report/review I immediately went the shop and it instructed me to log-in or I couldn't buy anything.  Fair enough.    When I went to log in it said that it would be over an insecure connection and I am reluctant to log in over an insecure connection.

Please advise.

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Re: Speed Limit 20 Plus

David in Avenel
 

Upon reading this glowing report/review I immediately went the shop and it instructed me to log-in or I couldn't buy anything.  Fair enough.    When I went to log in it said that it would be over an insecure connection and I am reluctant to log in over an insecure connection.

Please advise.

--
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David in Avenel.au
{Before you change anything, learn why it is the way it is.)


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Speed Limit 20 Plus

Frank Stamford
 

"Speed Limit 20 Plus" published by the Puffing Billy Preservation Society is now available from the LRRSA's Online Shop: http://lightrailwayresearchsocietyofaustralia.cart.net.au/

I have now had the opportunity to compare it to the original "Speed Limit 20" published in 1963 which commanded prices sometimes exceeding $400 on the second-hand book market. The reason it was so sought-after was that it contains a vast amount of information, with very few errors, in a very compact well laid out format.

The new version very closely follows the original in terms of page size, content, layout, and illustrations. In terms of quality the new version is superior to the old in every respect: the printing, the paper, the binding, and the photographic reproduction. Much more care has been taken with the cropping of locomotive and rolling stock photographs than was the case in the original version.

The photographs are reproduced better, in some cases startlingly so, like the photograph of Walhalla on page 114. Eleven of the original photographs have been replaced by different photographs illustrating similar content. In all but one case the replacement photographs are superior or more interesting than those they have replaced.

Some corrections have been made to the original text, but these changes have not been identified by the publishers - so I went hunting for them. Those I found were: delivery dates of locomotives p.14; location of air pump on early NA class locomotives p.16; livery of early NAs p.16; Wangaratta - Whitfield station histories p.39. After page 39 I did not find any changes.

The original book ended at page 130 and no attempt has been made to update it to cover subsequent events. It describes the situation as it existed in 1963.
However, pages 133 to 164 are all new and describe subsequent events relating to all five VR 2 ft 6 in gauge lines, including details of locomotives and rolling stock currently on the Gembrook and Walhalla lines, and what remains of the other three lines. Twenty-six new photographs are included in this section.
Contrary to information contained in some of the advertising of this book, it does not contain an index. But because of the structure and layout it is not too difficult to find information quickly.

The price is $49.95 plus postage, with 10% discount to LRRSA members. I expect it may sell out quickly.



Re: : Light Railways 258 & Plateways

Bob Backway
 

Definitely in the late 60s John. I rode a bicycle from Parkdale to Heatherton every Saturday from 1966 to 1970 to work part time as a gardener/handyman while at high school. On Centre Dandenong Rd the plateway clearly formed the left edge of the bitumen alongside the Moorabbin Airport.


Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com


Re: : Light Railways 258

John Dennis
 

Hello Graeme,

Thanks for the link. I have memories of seeing the plateways in that area as a kid, in the 50s and possibly the 60s. 

John

On 24 November 2017 at 21:24, gin78205@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Thanks John for the LR info. As another plateway appetite-whetter, the City of Kingston has the following available on its website: http://localhistory.kingston.vic.gov.au/htm/article/137.htm
Regards, Graeme



Re: : Light Railways 258

Graeme Inglis
 

Thanks John for the LR info. As another plateway appetite-whetter, the City of Kingston has the following available on its website: http://localhistory.kingston.vic.gov.au/htm/article/137.htm
Regards, Graeme

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