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Re: Tweed Heads

John Dennis
 

They work fine for me David. No idea why they don't for you. Maybe they are just taking a long time to download?

John

On 4 August 2017 at 16:54, espee8800 espee8800@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

And pray tell how one goes about downloading these.  I click on them and they just sit there and look at me saying "not this week sonny jim".

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best wishes,  
David in Avenel.au
{Before you change anything, learn why it is the way it is.)


Re: Tweed Heads

David in Avenel
 

And pray tell how one goes about downloading these.  I click on them and they just sit there and look at me saying "not this week sonny jim".

--
best wishes,  
David in Avenel.au
{Before you change anything, learn why it is the way it is.)

Re: Tweed Heads

Petan
 

Meant to add that the route through the proposed Chinderah station site, slightly upstream of the 1936 Barney's Point Bridge, is marked on Hairyleg’s work. The route not the station sites.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Thursday, 3 August 2017 3:28 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Tweed Heads

 

On the topic of long closed and proposed rail lines…

 

The following proposed Nerang Murwillumbah railway routes, with July 1900 in the surveyor's handwriting, is available as a 5mb JPEG from my Google Drive site. All the proposed routes would have required a rail bridge over the Tweed River. In that proposed time period were two Tweed River road bridges with very high cost lifting span equipped sections; the 1901 Murwillumbah road bridge and the 1936 Barney's Point Bridge over the Tweed River at Chinderah. The 1936 highway bridge had liftings spans as the Tweed River trade in the 1930s was still sufficient to force the inclusion of a lifting span, therefore the same river trade would have also forced a similarly expensive lifting span on any rail bridge built in that era. A rail bridge with lifting span was possible as shown with the Grafton rail lifting span which also showed 1930s river trade was sufficient to force a lifting span at Grafton as well.

 

The distances on the 1900 plan are a bit odd as the 141 miles shown for Murwillumbah is interesting as Stokers Siding, 6 miles south of Murwillumbah, was 141 miles 42 chains by rail from Grafton as per the 1918 NSWR Northern local appendix. The Casino Grafton line opened 1905 and the map is dated 1900, although the initial Grafton - Casino surveys would have probably been done by 1900.

 

Another proposed but not built rail route was along the north side of the Tweed river south from Tweed Heads. The proposed Chinderah station site, slightly upstream of the 1936 Barney's Point Bridge, is marked with my usual blue arrow on this cadastral from The Tweed Heads Historical Society. On the left side of that plan is portion 174 marked as John Sexton's land thus Sexton's Hill on the highway near there. John and Bridget Sexton had a daughter Ellen who eventually married a widower from Brisbane who was a member of QLD parliament. That is how the Sextons of Sexton Hill became the parents in law of Vince Gair, future QLD premier and Commonwealth Senator.   

 

The 1900 plan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwNUZ6RG52LUU1NDg/view

Chinderah proposed but not built railway station site https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwQ2RNSTZHYWduRk0/view

 

The station yard plans for most stations Ernest Junction to Tweed Heads.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwN2hCUWptczRvRHM

 

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

Tweed Heads

Petan
 

On the topic of long closed and proposed rail lines…

 

The following proposed Nerang Murwillumbah railway routes, with July 1900 in the surveyor's handwriting, is available as a 5mb JPEG from my Google Drive site. All the proposed routes would have required a rail bridge over the Tweed River. In that proposed time period were two Tweed River road bridges with very high cost lifting span equipped sections; the 1901 Murwillumbah road bridge and the 1936 Barney's Point Bridge over the Tweed River at Chinderah. The 1936 highway bridge had liftings spans as the Tweed River trade in the 1930s was still sufficient to force the inclusion of a lifting span, therefore the same river trade would have also forced a similarly expensive lifting span on any rail bridge built in that era. A rail bridge with lifting span was possible as shown with the Grafton rail lifting span which also showed 1930s river trade was sufficient to force a lifting span at Grafton as well.

 

The distances on the 1900 plan are a bit odd as the 141 miles shown for Murwillumbah is interesting as Stokers Siding, 6 miles south of Murwillumbah, was 141 miles 42 chains by rail from Grafton as per the 1918 NSWR Northern local appendix. The Casino Grafton line opened 1905 and the map is dated 1900, although the initial Grafton - Casino surveys would have probably been done by 1900.

 

Another proposed but not built rail route was along the north side of the Tweed river south from Tweed Heads. The proposed Chinderah station site, slightly upstream of the 1936 Barney's Point Bridge, is marked with my usual blue arrow on this cadastral from The Tweed Heads Historical Society. On the left side of that plan is portion 174 marked as John Sexton's land thus Sexton's Hill on the highway near there. John and Bridget Sexton had a daughter Ellen who eventually married a widower from Brisbane who was a member of QLD parliament. That is how the Sextons of Sexton Hill became the parents in law of Vince Gair, future QLD premier and Commonwealth Senator.   

 

The 1900 plan https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwNUZ6RG52LUU1NDg/view

Chinderah proposed but not built railway station site https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwQ2RNSTZHYWduRk0/view

 

The station yard plans for most stations Ernest Junction to Tweed Heads.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwN2hCUWptczRvRHM

 

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

OFF TOPIC Foreign narrow gauge

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
I've just come back from Germany. 'Several' photographs were taken...
 
I have uploaded a couple of collections to Flickr:
 
The 15" gauge Dresdner Parkeisenbahn is here:
 
The newly-extended Weißeritztalbahn is here:
 
I also have images from the Lößnitzgrundbahn which I'll upload shortly...
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly

Light Railways 256

John Dennis
 

Light Railways 256, August 2017, was packed last night, and is now in the hands of Australia Post. The packing process was a little complicated as we needed to send reminder letters to those who haven't yet renewed. A big thank you to those who have renewed - your magazine will be in letter box shortly (*) but for non-members (and those newly converted to non-members) the mag will be in the newsagent very soon. Or even better, renew - we will send you the magazine by return post.
(*) - subject to the vagaries of Australia Post delivery

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer

Re: : Moreton Mill maps

Eddie Oliver
 

On 27/07/2017 16:23, jpaff@... [LRRSA] wrote:

Thanks guys for remembering my work.


Impossible to forget such outstanding work.
What is your current recommended way of accessing it? The railpage links (or at least those known to me) do not appear to work.


Re: : Moreton Mill maps

hairyleg@y7mail.com
 

Thanks guys for remembering my work.

Yes, I am a member here, and I keep a close eye on what's going on, and I regularly incorporate comments from here into my work.

I'm happy to help anyone if they need it, or if they have any questions. I have lots of old maps.


John (aka Hairyleg)

WW2 QLD infrastructure

Petan
 

As many know, the Queensland Main Roads Commission built major infrastructure including roads, railway items, aerodromes etc throughout the state in WW2. This is covered with both detailed text and pictures in the following online free document. The Birdum-Tennant Creek Road is also mentioned. This URL goes to various download options including PDF, Kindle etc

The history of the Queensland Main Roads Commission during World War II, 1939 1945 by Queensland. Main Roads Commission

https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfTheQueenslandMainRoadsCommissionDuringWorldWarII19391945

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

Re: Interesting photo [1 Attachment]

Petan
 

Those skips match the ones in the pictures in John Browning’s ‘The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway’  in LR213 June 2010. That wonky caption about the hinterland came with the original State Library QLD source   hdl.handle.net/10462/deriv/211235

 

On a pedantic note, the place name Elston was changed to the more glamorous Surfers Paradise in 1933, so it was still Elston at picture date of 1925.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:59 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Interesting photo [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from Kevin Sewell included below]


Alleged to show the construction of the Pacific Highway in the Surfers Paradise hinterland - circa 1925

(SLQ) Courtesy Vintage Queensland

 

--

Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.




Re: Moreton Mill maps

Brad P
 

Hi Kevin,
              A work in progress. Adding bits as time permits.

https://maroochyshiretramways.wordpress.com/

Brad

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Kevin Sewell kevinrsewell@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Following the recent discussion about Google Earth, mention was made of superimposing tramway maps onto current Google Earth. Is this currently available on-line, a work-in-progress, or just an intention?
Just interested. 

--
Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.




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Re: Moreton Mill maps

John Browning
 

“Hairyleg’ has mapped cane railways in Google Earth quite extensively (and also all other Australian railways).

I downloaded his Google Earth overlay file updated to 20/10/2016 from www.railpage.com.au, but I’m not sure if that feature is working at the moment.

 

Perhaps someone on here will be able to provide more assistance.

 

John

 

Re: Moreton Mill maps

Sam Laybutt
 

Hi Kevin,


'HairyLeg' (who I think is a member here) has developed a Google Earth KML file of all railway (and tramway) tracks in Australia which can be downloaded from here:

https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1053


Link to Railpage thread:

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2031704.htm#2031704


Cheers

Sam





From: LRRSA@... on behalf of Kevin Sewell kevinrsewell@... [LRRSA]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 9:03 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Moreton Mill maps
 
 

Following the recent discussion about Google Earth, mention was made of superimposing tramway maps onto current Google Earth. Is this currently available on-line, a work-in-progress, or just an intention?
Just interested. 

--
Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.

Moreton Mill maps

Kevin Sewell
 

Following the recent discussion about Google Earth, mention was made of superimposing tramway maps onto current Google Earth. Is this currently available on-line, a work-in-progress, or just an intention?
Just interested. 

--
Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.

Interesting photo

Kevin Sewell
 

Alleged to show the construction of the Pacific Highway in the Surfers Paradise hinterland - circa 1925
(SLQ) Courtesy Vintage Queensland

--
Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.

Wyndham jetty shunter

Petan
 

A picture of the Wyndham jetty shunter amongst wagons is on the following Airways Museum & Civil Aviation Historical Society website regarding an article of Air Beef http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Air%20Beef.htm

 

Their home URL is the following and is of interest as they are an aviation version of our railway / tramway researchers http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/index.htm

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

FW: [Flickr] New items from UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia

Stuart Thyer
 

For those who use photo sharing service, Flickr, the University of Newcastle sends out updates of some of the sets of images newly loaded onto their site. There’s always something interesting.

Stuart Thyer

From: Flickr Mail <no-reply-contacts@...>
Reply-To: <no-reply-contacts@...>
Date: Tuesday, 25 July 2017 12:46 pm
Subject: [Flickr] New items from UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia

 

Hi sthyer!

UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded new items to Flickr in the last 7 days.

Recent uploads from the people you follow:

  UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded at least 5 items in the last 7 days.

SMR Plan... SMR Plan... SMR Plan... SMR Plan... SMR Plan...
»  See more recent uploads from the people you follow here:
http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0181017/photos/friends/
Flickr notifies you of new activity related to you. You can always customize these emails or turn them off.

 

Hi sthyer!

UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded new items to Flickr in the last 7 days.

Recent uploads from the people you follow:

  UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded at least 5 items in the last 7 days.

J & A...J & A...J & A...J & A...J & A...
» See more recent uploads from the people you follow here:
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Re: Google Earth usage.

Brad P
 

Peter,
          Many thanks for that.
  Had not given much thought to it when I started playing around with the idea of a Moreton Mill website.
  I started mapping out the tracks mostly to aid my memory of where everything was. But then others got interested.
  When someone mentioned the legalities, I though I better look into it.
  Thanks again for you help.

Best wishes
Brad

On 24 Jul 2017 3:20 PM, "'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Hi Brad,

I checked the Google Earth website for the rules you mentioned and agree with your understanding that the hobby not for profit use of GE and your acknowledgement of GE as the source, would appear to be legitimate. In a similar manner, as I am not a lawyer, I have contacted various QLD government departments’ legal advisers or legal counsellors, as some term themselves, regarding the various QLD government sourced documents I have used and placed on the internet for my research. Their replies show they are not worried about authentic factually accurate historical hobby research or use by not for profit organisations in their society publications. Like Google Earth, the government departments want to be acknowledged as the source and don’t want their good name tainted by the use of their material. This was not always the case with QLD government agencies and improved once QLD started releasing their historical data via 'Creative Commons CC:By licence'.

 

QR, in particular also requested any hobby website not appear like the QR website so as not to confuse QR customers.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@....au]
Sent: Thursday, 20 July 2017 11:53 PM
To: LRRSA <LRRSA@...>
Subject: [LRRSA] Google Earth usage.

 

Hi everyone, Just want to put a question to the collective knowledge here.

  The last couple of days I have been reading through the Google rules governing the use of Google Earth and Streetscape images. This brought on by an inquiry I received regarding the legality of doing what I am doing.
  My main interest is in GE, my using images on a new website showing the former locations of mill tramlines.


Re: Google Earth usage.

Petan
 

Hi Brad,

I checked the Google Earth website for the rules you mentioned and agree with your understanding that the hobby not for profit use of GE and your acknowledgement of GE as the source, would appear to be legitimate. In a similar manner, as I am not a lawyer, I have contacted various QLD government departments’ legal advisers or legal counsellors, as some term themselves, regarding the various QLD government sourced documents I have used and placed on the internet for my research. Their replies show they are not worried about authentic factually accurate historical hobby research or use by not for profit organisations in their society publications. Like Google Earth, the government departments want to be acknowledged as the source and don’t want their good name tainted by the use of their material. This was not always the case with QLD government agencies and improved once QLD started releasing their historical data via 'Creative Commons CC:By licence'.

 

QR, in particular also requested any hobby website not appear like the QR website so as not to confuse QR customers.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Thursday, 20 July 2017 11:53 PM
To: LRRSA
Subject: [LRRSA] Google Earth usage.

 

Hi everyone, Just want to put a question to the collective knowledge here.

  The last couple of days I have been reading through the Google rules governing the use of Google Earth and Streetscape images. This brought on by an inquiry I received regarding the legality of doing what I am doing.
  My main interest is in GE, my using images on a new website showing the former locations of mill tramlines.

Re: : Google Earth usage.

Stuart Thyer
 

Hi Brad 

I've worked through the t & c s in the past when preparing  material for the magazine. Google doesn't seem to make things too onerous and what you are proposing sounds right from my experience. Whether the website rules are the same as print rules is something I haven't checked.

Cheers 


Stuart Thyer 

Research Editor 

Light Railways