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WW2 QLD infrastructure

Petan
 

As many know, the Queensland Main Roads Commission built major infrastructure including roads, railway items, aerodromes etc throughout the state in WW2. This is covered with both detailed text and pictures in the following online free document. The Birdum-Tennant Creek Road is also mentioned. This URL goes to various download options including PDF, Kindle etc

The history of the Queensland Main Roads Commission during World War II, 1939 1945 by Queensland. Main Roads Commission

https://archive.org/details/HistoryOfTheQueenslandMainRoadsCommissionDuringWorldWarII19391945

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Interesting photo [1 Attachment]

Petan
 

Those skips match the ones in the pictures in John Browning’s ‘The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway’  in LR213 June 2010. That wonky caption about the hinterland came with the original State Library QLD source   hdl.handle.net/10462/deriv/211235

 

On a pedantic note, the place name Elston was changed to the more glamorous Surfers Paradise in 1933, so it was still Elston at picture date of 1925.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:59 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Interesting photo [1 Attachment]

 

[Attachment(s) from Kevin Sewell included below]


Alleged to show the construction of the Pacific Highway in the Surfers Paradise hinterland - circa 1925

(SLQ) Courtesy Vintage Queensland

 

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Cheers,
Kevin

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Re: Moreton Mill maps

Brad P
 

Hi Kevin,
              A work in progress. Adding bits as time permits.

https://maroochyshiretramways.wordpress.com/

Brad

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 11:03 AM, Kevin Sewell kevinrsewell@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Following the recent discussion about Google Earth, mention was made of superimposing tramway maps onto current Google Earth. Is this currently available on-line, a work-in-progress, or just an intention?
Just interested. 

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Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.




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Re: Moreton Mill maps

John Browning
 

“Hairyleg’ has mapped cane railways in Google Earth quite extensively (and also all other Australian railways).

I downloaded his Google Earth overlay file updated to 20/10/2016 from www.railpage.com.au, but I’m not sure if that feature is working at the moment.

 

Perhaps someone on here will be able to provide more assistance.

 

John

 


Re: Moreton Mill maps

Sam Laybutt
 

Hi Kevin,


'HairyLeg' (who I think is a member here) has developed a Google Earth KML file of all railway (and tramway) tracks in Australia which can be downloaded from here:

https://www.railpage.com.au/downloads?mode=download.view&id=1053


Link to Railpage thread:

https://www.railpage.com.au/f-p2031704.htm#2031704


Cheers

Sam





From: LRRSA@... on behalf of Kevin Sewell kevinrsewell@... [LRRSA]
Sent: Wednesday, 26 July 2017 9:03 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Moreton Mill maps
 
 

Following the recent discussion about Google Earth, mention was made of superimposing tramway maps onto current Google Earth. Is this currently available on-line, a work-in-progress, or just an intention?
Just interested. 

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Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.


Moreton Mill maps

Kevin Sewell
 

Following the recent discussion about Google Earth, mention was made of superimposing tramway maps onto current Google Earth. Is this currently available on-line, a work-in-progress, or just an intention?
Just interested. 

--
Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.


Interesting photo

Kevin Sewell
 

Alleged to show the construction of the Pacific Highway in the Surfers Paradise hinterland - circa 1925
(SLQ) Courtesy Vintage Queensland

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Cheers,
Kevin

Blowing out someone else's candle does not make your's burn any brighter.


Wyndham jetty shunter

Petan
 

A picture of the Wyndham jetty shunter amongst wagons is on the following Airways Museum & Civil Aviation Historical Society website regarding an article of Air Beef http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/Air%20Beef.htm

 

Their home URL is the following and is of interest as they are an aviation version of our railway / tramway researchers http://www.airwaysmuseum.com/index.htm

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 


FW: [Flickr] New items from UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia

Stuart Thyer
 

For those who use photo sharing service, Flickr, the University of Newcastle sends out updates of some of the sets of images newly loaded onto their site. There’s always something interesting.

Stuart Thyer

From: Flickr Mail <no-reply-contacts@...>
Reply-To: <no-reply-contacts@...>
Date: Tuesday, 25 July 2017 12:46 pm
Subject: [Flickr] New items from UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia

 

Hi sthyer!

UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded new items to Flickr in the last 7 days.

Recent uploads from the people you follow:

  UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded at least 5 items in the last 7 days.

SMR Plan... SMR Plan... SMR Plan... SMR Plan... SMR Plan...
»  See more recent uploads from the people you follow here:
http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0181017/photos/friends/
Flickr notifies you of new activity related to you. You can always customize these emails or turn them off.

 

Hi sthyer!

UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded new items to Flickr in the last 7 days.

Recent uploads from the people you follow:

  UON Library,University of Newcastle, Australia has uploaded at least 5 items in the last 7 days.

J & A...J & A...J & A...J & A...J & A...
» See more recent uploads from the people you follow here:
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Re: Google Earth usage.

Brad P
 

Peter,
          Many thanks for that.
  Had not given much thought to it when I started playing around with the idea of a Moreton Mill website.
  I started mapping out the tracks mostly to aid my memory of where everything was. But then others got interested.
  When someone mentioned the legalities, I though I better look into it.
  Thanks again for you help.

Best wishes
Brad

On 24 Jul 2017 3:20 PM, "'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Hi Brad,

I checked the Google Earth website for the rules you mentioned and agree with your understanding that the hobby not for profit use of GE and your acknowledgement of GE as the source, would appear to be legitimate. In a similar manner, as I am not a lawyer, I have contacted various QLD government departments’ legal advisers or legal counsellors, as some term themselves, regarding the various QLD government sourced documents I have used and placed on the internet for my research. Their replies show they are not worried about authentic factually accurate historical hobby research or use by not for profit organisations in their society publications. Like Google Earth, the government departments want to be acknowledged as the source and don’t want their good name tainted by the use of their material. This was not always the case with QLD government agencies and improved once QLD started releasing their historical data via 'Creative Commons CC:By licence'.

 

QR, in particular also requested any hobby website not appear like the QR website so as not to confuse QR customers.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@....au]
Sent: Thursday, 20 July 2017 11:53 PM
To: LRRSA <LRRSA@...>
Subject: [LRRSA] Google Earth usage.

 

Hi everyone, Just want to put a question to the collective knowledge here.

  The last couple of days I have been reading through the Google rules governing the use of Google Earth and Streetscape images. This brought on by an inquiry I received regarding the legality of doing what I am doing.
  My main interest is in GE, my using images on a new website showing the former locations of mill tramlines.



Re: Google Earth usage.

Petan
 

Hi Brad,

I checked the Google Earth website for the rules you mentioned and agree with your understanding that the hobby not for profit use of GE and your acknowledgement of GE as the source, would appear to be legitimate. In a similar manner, as I am not a lawyer, I have contacted various QLD government departments’ legal advisers or legal counsellors, as some term themselves, regarding the various QLD government sourced documents I have used and placed on the internet for my research. Their replies show they are not worried about authentic factually accurate historical hobby research or use by not for profit organisations in their society publications. Like Google Earth, the government departments want to be acknowledged as the source and don’t want their good name tainted by the use of their material. This was not always the case with QLD government agencies and improved once QLD started releasing their historical data via 'Creative Commons CC:By licence'.

 

QR, in particular also requested any hobby website not appear like the QR website so as not to confuse QR customers.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Thursday, 20 July 2017 11:53 PM
To: LRRSA
Subject: [LRRSA] Google Earth usage.

 

Hi everyone, Just want to put a question to the collective knowledge here.

  The last couple of days I have been reading through the Google rules governing the use of Google Earth and Streetscape images. This brought on by an inquiry I received regarding the legality of doing what I am doing.
  My main interest is in GE, my using images on a new website showing the former locations of mill tramlines.


Re: : Google Earth usage.

Stuart Thyer
 

Hi Brad 

I've worked through the t & c s in the past when preparing  material for the magazine. Google doesn't seem to make things too onerous and what you are proposing sounds right from my experience. Whether the website rules are the same as print rules is something I haven't checked.

Cheers 


Stuart Thyer 

Research Editor 

Light Railways


Google Earth usage.

Brad P
 

Hi everyone,
                   Just want to put a question to the collective knowledge here.

  The last couple of days I have been reading through the Google rules governing the use of Google Earth and Streetscape images. This brought on by an inquiry I received regarding the legality of doing what I am doing.
  My main interest is in GE, my using images on a new website showing the former locations of mill tramlines.

  From what I understand, with GE, you are allowed to use the images on a non-profit website, or print int a non profit publication of less than 5000 copies.
  I believe I am able to alter the image to include the tram lines and names of sidings, roads etc if required.
  However it must remain clear that it is a Google image, the watermark on each capture being enough  to ensure that. However that watermark cannot be tampered with in any way.

  Anyone able to confirm that I have this all correct?

  The rules for Streetscape appear to be quite different, requesting that websites link directly to the image on the site. 
  However, I am not really requiring that for what I\we have planned.

  Anyway, I think I have finally understood it all, but thought I would seek the avice of others.

Thanks in advance
Brad



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Closed Southside Brisbane lines 1917

Petan
 

1917 Southside Brisbane track profiles including many closed or greatly rebuilt lines so broadly part of LRRSA interest areas. They also show track gang areas. These are courtesy QLD State Archives (QSA) at Runcorn and I included my QSA data slip in my photos. The location names on each are only a guide to the region covered. These are; Tweed Heads / Southport, Cleveland, Canungra, Beaudesert, Gabba and wharf line, Belmont Tramway and the Yeerongpilly / Corinda line. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwZVRCZWhLQXZPaXc

 

Gabba and wharf to Park Rd Working Plan and Sections https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwQTRsOWYwdWdYUXc

 

My short history of the Gabba line http://www.petan.net/railway/gabba.htm

 

The Belmont Tramway data is included and I photographed all these last month at Runcorn.

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Log bogies on Bruny Island

Tony Coen
 

Chris., they would be former bogie wheels from a couple of steam logging locos. that worked in the Lunawanna area. You can find the full details in Scott Clennett’s very good book, “Engaging the Giants”.
 
Cheers,
 
    Tony Coen.
 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 7:05 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Log bogies on Bruny Island
 
 

I did a tour on Bruny Island today and saw some log bogies sitting on log rails at Lunawanna on Cloudy Bay Rd, just east of Bruny Island Main Rd. Unfortunately the tour bus didn't stop and I wasn't quick enough to get a photo.

Regards,
Chris



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Log bogies on Bruny Island

Chris Stratton
 

I did a tour on Bruny Island today and saw some log bogies sitting on log rails at Lunawanna on Cloudy Bay Rd, just east of Bruny Island Main Rd. Unfortunately the tour bus didn't stop and I wasn't quick enough to get a photo.

Regards,
Chris



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Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

Petan
 

Thanks everyone for the background to this as it concerned a topic I never realised existed. Interesting how rolling sand hills were levelled to form housing estates.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 8:45 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney


Peter,

 

 

 

Plus

 

 

Mike Bickford

 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]

Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:15 PM

Subject: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney

 




A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

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Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

John Browning
 

The NSW Ministry of Housing obtained a Motor Rail “Simplex” petrol locomotive for Daceyville by March 1920. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article120524291

Assuming it was not second hand, it must have been Motor Rail 1859 of 25/11/1919, ordered by Frank Saunders, and subsequently used by the NSW PWD in 1922 at Hexham Swamp in connection with the Chichester River Gravitation Scheme.

                                                           

Frank Saunders Ltd later demonstrated a Motor Rail “Simplex” petrol locomotive at Daceyville in August 1920.

It may have been the one mentioned above, but if not it must have been Motor Rail 1909 of 13/04/1920, which CSR subsequently purchased for Fiji.

(ANU Butlin Archives 142/2147 Letter 937 Manager Lautoka to CSR HO 11 August 1920)

 

John


Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

neville conder
 

I think I've seen a photo with the construction of the houses in the background with a small Simplex locomotive leading tipper wagons. I will have to have a look for the photo.
Neville Conder.


On 5 Jul 2017, at 8:45 pm, 'Mike Bickford' mikebickford55@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Peter,
 
 
 
Plus
 
 
Mike Bickford

 
From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:15 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney
 


A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


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Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

Mike Bickford
 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:15 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney
 


A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


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