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Re: : Google Earth usage.

Stuart Thyer
 

Hi Brad 

I've worked through the t & c s in the past when preparing  material for the magazine. Google doesn't seem to make things too onerous and what you are proposing sounds right from my experience. Whether the website rules are the same as print rules is something I haven't checked.

Cheers 


Stuart Thyer 

Research Editor 

Light Railways


Google Earth usage.

Brad P
 

Hi everyone,
                   Just want to put a question to the collective knowledge here.

  The last couple of days I have been reading through the Google rules governing the use of Google Earth and Streetscape images. This brought on by an inquiry I received regarding the legality of doing what I am doing.
  My main interest is in GE, my using images on a new website showing the former locations of mill tramlines.

  From what I understand, with GE, you are allowed to use the images on a non-profit website, or print int a non profit publication of less than 5000 copies.
  I believe I am able to alter the image to include the tram lines and names of sidings, roads etc if required.
  However it must remain clear that it is a Google image, the watermark on each capture being enough  to ensure that. However that watermark cannot be tampered with in any way.

  Anyone able to confirm that I have this all correct?

  The rules for Streetscape appear to be quite different, requesting that websites link directly to the image on the site. 
  However, I am not really requiring that for what I\we have planned.

  Anyway, I think I have finally understood it all, but thought I would seek the avice of others.

Thanks in advance
Brad



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Closed Southside Brisbane lines 1917

Petan
 

1917 Southside Brisbane track profiles including many closed or greatly rebuilt lines so broadly part of LRRSA interest areas. They also show track gang areas. These are courtesy QLD State Archives (QSA) at Runcorn and I included my QSA data slip in my photos. The location names on each are only a guide to the region covered. These are; Tweed Heads / Southport, Cleveland, Canungra, Beaudesert, Gabba and wharf line, Belmont Tramway and the Yeerongpilly / Corinda line. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwZVRCZWhLQXZPaXc

 

Gabba and wharf to Park Rd Working Plan and Sections https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0ByB-ppGeDyvwQTRsOWYwdWdYUXc

 

My short history of the Gabba line http://www.petan.net/railway/gabba.htm

 

The Belmont Tramway data is included and I photographed all these last month at Runcorn.

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Log bogies on Bruny Island

Tony Coen
 

Chris., they would be former bogie wheels from a couple of steam logging locos. that worked in the Lunawanna area. You can find the full details in Scott Clennett’s very good book, “Engaging the Giants”.
 
Cheers,
 
    Tony Coen.
 

Sent: Friday, July 07, 2017 7:05 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Log bogies on Bruny Island
 
 

I did a tour on Bruny Island today and saw some log bogies sitting on log rails at Lunawanna on Cloudy Bay Rd, just east of Bruny Island Main Rd. Unfortunately the tour bus didn't stop and I wasn't quick enough to get a photo.

Regards,
Chris



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Log bogies on Bruny Island

Chris Stratton
 

I did a tour on Bruny Island today and saw some log bogies sitting on log rails at Lunawanna on Cloudy Bay Rd, just east of Bruny Island Main Rd. Unfortunately the tour bus didn't stop and I wasn't quick enough to get a photo.

Regards,
Chris



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Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

Petan
 

Thanks everyone for the background to this as it concerned a topic I never realised existed. Interesting how rolling sand hills were levelled to form housing estates.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 5 July 2017 8:45 PM
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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney


Peter,

 

 

 

Plus

 

 

Mike Bickford

 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]

Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:15 PM

Subject: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney

 




A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

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Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

John Browning
 

The NSW Ministry of Housing obtained a Motor Rail “Simplex” petrol locomotive for Daceyville by March 1920. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article120524291

Assuming it was not second hand, it must have been Motor Rail 1859 of 25/11/1919, ordered by Frank Saunders, and subsequently used by the NSW PWD in 1922 at Hexham Swamp in connection with the Chichester River Gravitation Scheme.

                                                           

Frank Saunders Ltd later demonstrated a Motor Rail “Simplex” petrol locomotive at Daceyville in August 1920.

It may have been the one mentioned above, but if not it must have been Motor Rail 1909 of 13/04/1920, which CSR subsequently purchased for Fiji.

(ANU Butlin Archives 142/2147 Letter 937 Manager Lautoka to CSR HO 11 August 1920)

 

John


Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

neville conder
 

I think I've seen a photo with the construction of the houses in the background with a small Simplex locomotive leading tipper wagons. I will have to have a look for the photo.
Neville Conder.


On 5 Jul 2017, at 8:45 pm, 'Mike Bickford' mikebickford55@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Peter,
 
 
 
Plus
 
 
Mike Bickford

 
From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:15 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney
 


A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

Mike Bickford
 

From: 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]
Sent: Wednesday, July 5, 2017 2:15 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Road construction tramway Sydney
 


A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: Road construction tramway Sydney

Eddie Oliver
 

On 2017-07-05 06:15, 'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA] wrote:
A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV's Building Australia
Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville
segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney
suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area
so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the
real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the
men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.
The Rosebery tramway sand siding was off Gardeners Road in Daceyville


Road construction tramway Sydney

Petan
 

A road construction tramway is shown in ABC TV’s Building Australia Series 1 Ep 5 The Federation House. It appears in the Daceyville segment about half way through. Although I have visited the Sydney suburb of Daceyville many years ago, I am not familiar with the area so I have no idea if the TV producers just used file footage or if the real location is Daceyville. It is a moving image, not a still, as the men shovelling soil into tipper wagons are moving.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/building-australia/ZW1210A005S00#pageloaded

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


Re: Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

B.Rumary
 

I saw quite a few of steam locos in Indonesia (Java) with ordinary oil drums fitted across the top of the boiler, to carry oil for the firebox. Some others had rectangular tanks in this position for the same purpose - to me they looked like domestic roof water tanks!

I think the reason for the oil-firing was at the start of the season, before sufficient supplies of "bagasse" (crushed cane) had been accumulated, as this was the normal loco fuel. The oil could also be used to speed up the raising of boiler pressure, and also if the loco ran out of bagasse on the run (it was consumed at quite a rate). I think it could also be used as as a "boost" to the fire when working hard.

In Romania in the steam era they used a similar system of auxiliary oil-firing on top of the usual coal, to boost performance of their locos - I don't think that Romania had access to good quality coal, but they had plenty of oil.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: : Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

Phil Rickard
 

Frank,

Sragi SM in Central Java is what you're after. There are many pictures at
http://www.flickriver.com/places/Indonesia/Central+Java/Sragi/

Flickr also has one or two but flickriver has many - about ten different locos by the look of it, with
tanks of various shapes and number. Take your pick!

cheers   Phil Rickard


Re: : Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

john_raby
 

They were mounted on the boiler in front of the cab.


This was Sragi mill - 600mm gauge.

John
 


Re: Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

Chris Stratton
 

That would have the added benefit of preheating the oil wouldn’t it?

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2017 12:01 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

 




Hi Frank

 

Top of the firebox in front of the cab was the usual spot.

Here is an example http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/sweetdreams/display.htm?small=wringinanom&large=Wringinanom&number=06

 

I think you have a patient search through the relevant pages of Rob Dickinson’s International Steam site, you will probably find some more examples of what you are looking for. Here might be a good place to start http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/sweetdreams/index.htm

 

If you email me off list, I can put you in contact with the gentleman you mention.

 

John

 





Re: [AusNG] Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

A C Lynn Zelmer
 

Hello Frank

Several of the Philippine mills converted their locos to oil-firing as well. The photos I have show that they mostly did so using the existing tenders (even their tank locos had tenders for transporting bagasse). However La Carlotta seems to have had at least one loco with what appears to be a supplementary 44 gal oil tank mounted ahead of the cab.

I'd also be quite interested in a photo of the Indonesian loco for potential modelling purposes but if it doesn't show up I'd be happy to share Hans Huffnagel's photo of the La Carlotta loco and/or photos of one or more of the tender-based conversions at other mills, at least one of which appears to be a much larger drum mounted on top of the tender body. The latter appears as the bottom photo on page 35 of the latest issue (July 2017) of Narrow Gauge Down Under.

Happy modelling, Lynn

On 3/07/2017 11:17 PM, Frank Savery franksavery@... [LRRSA] wrote:

Hi Guys,

About 15 years ago, when I lived up in Sunny Queensland,I was Hon. Sec. of the S. E. Queensland branch of the LRRSA  and we had a nice guy who came every so often to give us a lecture and enthrall us with his photos of early Indonesian industrial steam locos.


He showed some fascinating photos of a small tank loco which had been converted to oil-firing and to store the fuel they had adopted the novel expedient of strapping a couple of 44-gallon oil drums up on top of the roof so that the diesel fuel fed by gravity into the firebox furnace.


I always liked the idea, and Now, I'd like to kitbash one of my small On30 steamers into an oil-fired loco using this idea, BUT, now, I can't remember If the two 44-gal drums were strapped up on top of the cab roof or on the top of the firebox in front of the cab.

...
-- 
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414 Main Post Office
Rockhampton, QLD 4700 AUSTRALIA


Re: Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

John Browning
 

Hi Frank

 

Top of the firebox in front of the cab was the usual spot.

Here is an example http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/sweetdreams/display.htm?small=wringinanom&large=Wringinanom&number=06

 

I think you have a patient search through the relevant pages of Rob Dickinson’s International Steam site, you will probably find some more examples of what you are looking for. Here might be a good place to start http://www.internationalsteam.co.uk/sweetdreams/index.htm

 

If you email me off list, I can put you in contact with the gentleman you mention.

 

John

 


Indonesian oil-fired industrial tank loco

Frank Savery
 

Hi Guys,

About 15 years ago, when I lived up in Sunny Queensland,I was Hon. Sec. of the S. E. Queensland branch of the LRRSA  and we had a nice guy who came every so often to give us a lecture and enthrall us with his photos of early Indonesian industrial steam locos.


He showed some fascinating photos of a small tank loco which had been converted to oil-firing and to store the fuel they had adopted the novel expedient of strapping a couple of 44-gallon oil drums up on top of the roof so that the diesel fuel fed by gravity into the firebox furnace.


I always liked the idea, and Now, I'd like to kitbash one of my small On30 steamers into an oil-fired loco using this idea, BUT, now, I can't remember If the two 44-gal drums were strapped up on top of the cab roof or on the top of the firebox in front of the cab.


I wonder If anyone can recall seeing a photo of this kind of Indonesian 'backwoods' engineering on the internet, in a book or in a video ?


If so, I'd be very grateful If the could point me towards it.


Thanx. Much appreciated.

Frank Savery,

w-a-y down south in Tasmania


  


Re: Harwood sugar mill tramways.

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Chris,

There are a number of people who do maps for Light Railways. If you could reply to me direct with some more details of the type of map work you need I can make some enquiries and we should be able to find someone to do this.

Regards,

Frank 


On 2 Jul 2017, at 8:38 pm, c.tait@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

I have now located the approximate locations of the two permanent tramways that operated out of the Harwood sugar mill in northern NSW, i'd like to do an article for the magazine but would like to know who does the coloured maps  and their contact details.

Chris


Harwood sugar mill tramways.

on30shayloco
 

I have now located the approximate locations of the two permanent tramways that operated out of the Harwood sugar mill in northern NSW, i'd like to do an article for the magazine but would like to know who does the coloured maps  and their contact details.

Chris

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