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Re: : Lahey's tramway Shay - Qld

David Halfpenny
 

Great photo, Ian.

By the way, it doesn’t appear flipped to me.

David 1/2d

On 26 Feb 2017, at 03:31, ibarnes@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:



Postscript:  Despite what my file manager was telling me at the time, the photo I loaded is the flipped version.  


OFF TOPIC More photographs from Germany

Michael C.
 

Hi all,
 
Me again with another collection of images uploaded to Flickr.
 
This time from the Dresden Transport Museum (http://www.verkehrsmuseum-dresden.de/en/)
 
There are also some shots of the buildings and the trams in the city.
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
 
As they say on the Warner Brothers cartoons, 'That's all folks!'
 
Michael Chapman

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Re: : Lahey's tramway Shay - Qld

John Dennis
 

Thanks. I was a little confused by your description and the image. Definitely 2135. 

John

On 26 February 2017 at 14:31, ibarnes@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Postscript:  Despite what my file manager was telling me at the time, the photo I loaded is the flipped version. 


Re: : Lahey's tramway Shay - Qld

Ian Barnes
 

Postscript:  Despite what my file manager was telling me at the time, the photo I loaded is the flipped version. 

Lahey's tramway Shay - Qld

Ian Barnes
 



An old bushwalking mate, Kimbal Curtis, has sent me a photo which, he reports, was taken by his grandmother, Miss Hilda Geissman (1890-1988).  It is of a Lahey tramway (Qld) loco taken with a Thornton-Pickard half-plate camera.  Kimbal advised me she was a known photographer of her time.  She developed and printed at home, and she was known to the Lahey family.  He doesn't know when or where the photo was taken but, on the assumption she dropped her maiden name when she married Herbert Curtis in 1926, this photo was taken a few years prior to 1926.


Because I'm moving house and all my reference material is stored, my fellow tramway hunter, Ian Bevege, has checked LRRSA publications and he believes the photo has not been published before.  This is probable given that Kimbal recently found the photo among his family's records and the family has no knowledge of the photo being distributed previously.


The photo is of a Shay loco pulling a load of logs across a stream.  There are a few notable features:  firstly, if the Shay is "normal", the photo appears to have been horizontally flipped because the drive train seems to be on the LHS; secondly, the stream crossing is pretty dodgy to say the least, either a very temporary branch line or, I think more likely, an emergency response to a washaway; thirdly, which loco is it?


Ian Bevege's analysis is as follows:


Great photo. It is not featured in ‘Lahey’s Canungra Tramway’ (Robert Morgan, revised Frank Stamford, LRRSA 2010). Neither is it in the article on the Laheys by R.B Joyce in Queensland Heritage  Vol 4 No 1966 nor in Shirley Lahey’s family history ‘The Laheys’,2003, which features No 697 photo taken in 1908. So I think you can take it it has not been published.

 

Laheys used 4 locos, 3 Shays and a Climax (but see note below re 2478). Extract below from the booklet.

 

Climax B Class, in service with Laheys 1903- 12, sold derelict to Pines and Hardwoods Simmsville in 1922, then Coffs harbour.

 

Shay B/N 697 of 1902. ex Mt Lyell Mining Company to Laheys Canungra circa 1906; 2 cylinder 16 tons. Disposal unknown.

 

Shay B/N 2371 of 1910, new to Laheys 1910, 3 cylinder 24 or 27 ton (both in the record). Disposal unknown.

 

Shay B/N 2478 of 1911, built for Laheys but little if at all used, bought by Hampton Cloncurrry Mines 1912, may have been sold by Laheys before being landed in Australia. No photos of this loco in Lahey archives.

 

Shay B/N 2135 of 1909, built for British Australian Timber company Coffs Harbour, purchased by Laheys in the 1920s; 2 cylinders, 19 ton. Derelict at Canungra; I have attached a photo taken in Canungra in 1940 and posted on Bonzle by QldPics, which I am confident is this loco. It is no longer there.

 

So, which Shay is in your pic? Three possibilities – Nos 697, 2371 or 2135

 

Not 697, which had a tall funnel, a single dome and a large round firebox in front of the cab. I have pics if you want them; also illustrated in Morgan.

Not 2371, which had 3 cylinders with the housing well in front of the cab.

Must be 2135; two cylinders under the cab, two large domes; very large spark arrester. See attached pic.


So, if Ian Bevege is right, the loco is 2135.  Further to this, I have examined the Qldpic photo which is allegedly of 2135 at a later date.  It seems to me there is a Shay bogie in front of the loco (and is that cylinder to the right looking very much like a smokebox?).  It also seems to me that the loco’s rear bogie is of longer wheelbase than it’s front one, more evidently longer than the stray one out front.  Perhaps, when the photo was taken, 2135 is wearing the remains of (at least a bogie) another Shay, likely to be 697?  If this is true, the clue to the unknown destiny of 697 is in this Qldpic photo?


Any comment?  


If our dear Editor(s) wish to publish the photo (suitably reversed), Kimbal is agreeable, and I have a high resolution copy available.


Cheers

Ian Barnes



Re: : Community heritage groups at risk

Michael McCarthy
 

Personally, I think the opposite will be true for most. Progressive historical societies are placing a lot of resources on line and downloadable, sometimes for a fee but mostly free. This opens them to a much wider audience, interest and possible contribution. It can happen without removing the social aspect of these societies. They can:will still gather as they always have.

Community heritage groups at risk

Stuart Thyer
 


With the rise of online resources for people to delve into history from the comfort of their own homes, there is concern historical groups could eventually become a thing of the past.


Re: OFF TOPIC - more photos for Germany

BM
 

Michael,

So many German ng lines with amazing locos; so much snow! Another fascinating batch of images.

 

Best Wishes

Bob McKillop

 

Editor: Australian Railway History

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2017 6:26 AM
To: lrrsa@...
Subject: [LRRSA] OFF TOPIC - more photos for Germany

 

 

Hi all,

 

Me again with more images from Germany.

 

This time from the Weißeritztalbahn.

 

Take a look if you're interested.

 

 

If people are interested I can upload photos from Dresden and their transport museum?

 

Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
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OFF TOPIC - more photos for Germany

Michael C.
 

Hi all,
 
Me again with more images from Germany.
 
This time from the Weißeritztalbahn.
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
 
If people are interested I can upload photos from Dresden and their transport museum?
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
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Rocky Point sugar mill

Petan
 

Pages 10 & 11 of the following 8MB file size PDF refers to how Rocky Point sugar mill sent sugar to Brisbane by boat. It is the Jacobs Well and District December 2010 newsletter. Also of interest is the front page discussion on the sugar areas economic future.

 http://jacobswell.com.au/SSN/SSNDecember2010.pdf

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

Re: Off-topic - Stars of Sandstone (South Africa)

denis.wasley
 

Geoff Hamilton from Cardross is going along with at least two others.

Cheers

Denis

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Monday, 20 February 2017 5:48 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Off-topic - Stars of Sandstone (South Africa)

 

 

Hi all,

Is anyone from here heading to Stars of Sandstone this year?

 

I'll be heading over for a few weeks, doing some Cape diesel photography, then Stars, and finishing off with some Garratts in Zimbabwe.

 

Cheers,

Trevor.

Off-topic - Stars of Sandstone (South Africa)

Trevor Staats
 

Hi all,

Is anyone from here heading to Stars of Sandstone this year?

 

I'll be heading over for a few weeks, doing some Cape diesel photography, then Stars, and finishing off with some Garratts in Zimbabwe.

 

Cheers,

Trevor.

OFF TOPIC - more photos from Germany

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Me again with more images of German narrow gauge.
 
This time from the Lößnitzgrundbahn.
 
 
One more railway and Dresden to go...
 
Michael Chapman

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Re: : OFF TOPIC - more photographs from Germany

Bill
 

Hi Michael,
Many thanks for continuing to share your wonderful photos.
Regards,
Bill

OFF TOPIC - more photographs from Germany

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Album number three is now online on Flickr; this time from the Museumsbahn Schönheide.
 
It was very cold, but there was bright sunshine and photo run-pasts!
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

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Re: : Re: Re:: Victorian aerial photos

Michael McCarthy
 

On the subject of Victorian aerial images, I was at the Laverton repository recently.  I noticed the staff numbers had reduced significantly and asked about it. I was told that the entire collection is being scanned and will be available on line (some may already be). This will include the valuable 1940's runs.
However they won't be free. I was told they will be sold for around $12 an image. At present, to scan an image there yourself, it costs about $4.50 to get the bag out and then around $13 an image scanned.  So the new arrangement will be cheaper and very convenient but still relatively expensive.
Cheers,
Mike

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Re: OFF TOPIC photographs from Germany.

John Dennis
 

Thanks Michael,

Two great sets of photos. I like the low-light photos - but it looks too cold for me!

John

On 17 February 2017 at 09:27, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Hi all,
 
Me again with more off-topic photographs from Germany.
 
Album number two, this time  from the Preßnitztalbahn is now on Flickr. Some of the shots are a bit iffy as the light was going.
 
 
There's more to follow in due course...
 
Michael Chapman

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In a message dated 16/02/2017 16:30:21 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:
 

Dear all,
 
I've just come back from Germany.
 
I did a tour of narrow gauge railways in Saxony.
 
I've just uploaded the first album from the Fichtelbergbahn.
 
Take a look if you're interested:
 
 
It was minus six!
 
Michael Chapman

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Re: : OFF TOPIC photographs from Germany.

sncs@...
 

Hi Michael, 

Great series of photos, thanks for sharing!

Regards, 

Scott

Re: OFF TOPIC photographs from Germany.

BM
 

Michael,

Nice presentation, but it looks bloody cold to me!

 

Best Wishes

 

Bob McKillop

Editor: Australian Railway History

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Friday, 17 February 2017 9:27 AM
To: lrrsa@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] OFF TOPIC photographs from Germany.

 

 

Hi all,

 

Me again with more off-topic photographs from Germany.

 

Album number two, this time  from the Preßnitztalbahn is now on Flickr. Some of the shots are a bit iffy as the light was going.

 

 

There's more to follow in due course...

 

Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 16/02/2017 16:30:21 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:

 

Dear all,

 

I've just come back from Germany.

 

I did a tour of narrow gauge railways in Saxony.

 

I've just uploaded the first album from the Fichtelbergbahn.

 

Take a look if you're interested:

 

 

It was minus six!

 

Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly

Re: OFF TOPIC photographs from Germany.

Michael C.
 

Hi all,
 
Me again with more off-topic photographs from Germany.
 
Album number two, this time  from the Preßnitztalbahn is now on Flickr. Some of the shots are a bit iffy as the light was going.
 
 
There's more to follow in due course...
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
 
 


 

In a message dated 16/02/2017 16:30:21 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:
 

Dear all,
 
I've just come back from Germany.
 
I did a tour of narrow gauge railways in Saxony.
 
I've just uploaded the first album from the Fichtelbergbahn.
 
Take a look if you're interested:
 
 
It was minus six!
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly