Date   

An order perhaps.

dickwho1
 

Can I have the pie & peas, please.

Or am I at the wrong Quay?


Re: Balls Head or Balls Up!

John Dennis
 

Ah yes, a very expensive restaurant with a lovely view of Sydney Cove and the Opera House - unless there's a cruise ship tied up at the Overseas Passenger Terminal. 

John

On 1 March 2016 at 17:39, Kevin Sewell kevinrsewell@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:27 PM, dickwho1@... wrote:
 

So where does 'quay' fit into this example of pedantic semantics.

It fits in right here - http://www.quay.com.au/ 


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Cheers,
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Training is learning the rules: experience is learning the exceptions.



Re: : Re: Balls Head

Rod Hutchinson
 

I have just completed a 46 cruise circumnavigating the Indian Ocean and visiting some of the islands therein.

The captain would provide a short monolouge on the origin of terms used in common language but originate from maritime expressions of the past.

I am wondering if the terms of jetty, pier, wharf et al have similar origins.

Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark
Australia

On 1 Mar 2016 5:37 pm, "Kevin Sewell kevinrsewell@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Rod Hutchinson wrote:
 A friend of mine was in the merchant navy and defined ships & boats.

Ships carry boats, boats don't carry boats.


Yup - you can put a boat on a ship, but you can't put a ship on a boat. 
That may be true, but hardly actually answers the question. Such is the world of the terminal pedant. 


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Kevin

Training is learning the rules: experience is learning the exceptions.


Re: Balls Head or Balls Up!

Kevin Sewell
 



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:27 PM, dickwho1@... wrote:
 

So where does 'quay' fit into this example of pedantic semantics.

It fits in right here - http://www.quay.com.au/ 


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Cheers,
Kevin

Training is learning the rules: experience is learning the exceptions.


Re: : Re: Balls Head

Kevin Sewell
 



On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Rod Hutchinson wrote:
 A friend of mine was in the merchant navy and defined ships & boats.

Ships carry boats, boats don't carry boats.


Yup - you can put a boat on a ship, but you can't put a ship on a boat. 
That may be true, but hardly actually answers the question. Such is the world of the terminal pedant. 


--
Cheers,
Kevin

Training is learning the rules: experience is learning the exceptions.


Balls Head or Balls Up!

dickwho1
 

So where does 'quay' fit into this example of pedantic semantics.


Re: : Re: Balls Head

Rod Hutchinson
 

Otis Reading song "(Sittin'on) the Dock of the Bay"

A friend of mine was in the merchant navy and defined ships & boats.
Ships carry boats, boats don't carry boats.

Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark
Australia

On 1 Mar 2016 5:10 pm, "Stuart Thyer stuart.thyer@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

As to a Dock, my guess is that they are land based structures where the ship essentially pulls up along side the shoreline. Examples would be Swanston Dock, Melbourne or the Alfred Graving Dock at Williamstown or the Sutherland and Fitzroy Docks at Cockatoo is.

When quoting from other webiste, just remember that not all authors are as skilled pedants as the combined forces of the LRRSA. I know a number of ex-naval types at work, I’ll try to remember and ask what they know of wharves, jetties, docks, piers, quays, breakwaters and groynes. One thing I do remember is how to upset a sailor. Call his vessel a ‘boat’ rather than a ‘ship’. Again, apparently there is a difference.


Re: : Re: Balls Head

Stuart Thyer
 

As to a Dock, my guess is that they are land based structures where the ship essentially pulls up along side the shoreline. Examples would be Swanston Dock, Melbourne or the Alfred Graving Dock at Williamstown or the Sutherland and Fitzroy Docks at Cockatoo is.

When quoting from other webiste, just remember that not all authors are as skilled pedants as the combined forces of the LRRSA. I know a number of ex-naval types at work, I’ll try to remember and ask what they know of wharves, jetties, docks, piers, quays, breakwaters and groynes. One thing I do remember is how to upset a sailor. Call his vessel a ‘boat’ rather than a ‘ship’. Again, apparently there is a difference.


Re: : Re: Balls Head

John Dennis
 

But the Echuca Wharf (amongst others) isn't solid - it is built on piles. It is parallel to the land though.

Most interesting discussion, this one.

John

On 1 March 2016 at 14:13, 'Peter Knife' pjknife@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

I have always understood that a wharf had a solid wall down to the bottom of the water, backfilled and contiguous to the land, while a jetty/pier was a structure built out over the water on piles. However I do agree that the terms seem to be used interchangeably nowadays.

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 12:49 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re:: Re: Balls Head

 

 

I think they are. Victoria Dock for example had Central Pier which featured numbered wharves along both sides as it jutted out from the end of the dock.

Generally speaking I think Australian usage would see a pier being a more substantially constructed and larger for of a jetty.

Cheers

Mike


On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:43 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Indeed. And perhaps the largest container berth in Melbourne is Appleton Dock. 

 

Looks to me as though the names are all interchangable...

 

John

 

On 29 February 2016 at 23:07, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

I disagree with the orientation point. Melbourne had many wharves that were at right angles to the shore. It's about function. Wharves to me are facilities where ships/boats berthed to take on/ take off people/cargo. The direction they pointed is irrelevant.

You can tie a boat up to anything.  Many jetties had landing platforms to tie up to. The platforms sometimes are referred to as wharves. It's all pretty subjective.

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911


On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 

 

But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...

 

John

 

On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.

I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.

Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.

 

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911


On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 

 

John

 

On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike

_._,___



Re: : Re: Balls Head

Peter Knife
 

I have always understood that a wharf had a solid wall down to the bottom of the water, backfilled and contiguous to the land, while a jetty/pier was a structure built out over the water on piles. However I do agree that the terms seem to be used interchangeably nowadays.

 

Cheers,

Peter

 

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 12:49 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re:: Re: Balls Head

 

 

I think they are. Victoria Dock for example had Central Pier which featured numbered wharves along both sides as it jutted out from the end of the dock.

Generally speaking I think Australian usage would see a pier being a more substantially constructed and larger for of a jetty.

Cheers

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911


On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:43 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Indeed. And perhaps the largest container berth in Melbourne is Appleton Dock. 

 

Looks to me as though the names are all interchangable...

 

John

 

On 29 February 2016 at 23:07, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

I disagree with the orientation point. Melbourne had many wharves that were at right angles to the shore. It's about function. Wharves to me are facilities where ships/boats berthed to take on/ take off people/cargo. The direction they pointed is irrelevant.

You can tie a boat up to anything.  Many jetties had landing platforms to tie up to. The platforms sometimes are referred to as wharves. It's all pretty subjective.

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911


On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 

 

But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...

 

John

 

On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.

I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.

Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.

 

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911


On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 

 

John

 

On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike

_._,___


Balls!

Iain
 

The Dictionary of Industrial Archaeology defines docks as “places of safe anchorage for sea-going ships where they may be safely loaded and unloaded, with facilities for storage of goods in transit and for repairing ships…”.  I think this needs to be qualified by stating that it is an artificial construction and consists of wharfs and piers for unloading and loading goods and passengers.

 

The same tome describes a dry dock as

 

An arm of a waterway into which boat (!!) may be pass for repair or in which they may be built. The water can be pumped in or out and the dock kept empty by a lock gate. A Graving dock is named because graving is to remove small accretions from the underwater portions of a boat of ship.

 

However when the term slip is looked up the author discusses clay slips and patent slips or marine railways are not mentioned at all.

 

However what is of interest is the confusing use of terminology.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...

 


Re: : Re: Balls Head

Michael McCarthy
 

I think they are. Victoria Dock for example had Central Pier which featured numbered wharves along both sides as it jutted out from the end of the dock.
Generally speaking I think Australian usage would see a pier being a more substantially constructed and larger for of a jetty.
Cheers
Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:43 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Indeed. And perhaps the largest container berth in Melbourne is Appleton Dock. 

Looks to me as though the names are all interchangable...

John

On 29 February 2016 at 23:07, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

I disagree with the orientation point. Melbourne had many wharves that were at right angles to the shore. It's about function. Wharves to me are facilities where ships/boats berthed to take on/ take off people/cargo. The direction they pointed is irrelevant.
You can tie a boat up to anything.  Many jetties had landing platforms to tie up to. The platforms sometimes are referred to as wharves. It's all pretty subjective.
Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 

But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...

John

On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.
I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.
Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 

John

On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike





Re: : Re: Balls Head

John Dennis
 

Indeed. And perhaps the largest container berth in Melbourne is Appleton Dock. 

Looks to me as though the names are all interchangable...

John

On 29 February 2016 at 23:07, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

I disagree with the orientation point. Melbourne had many wharves that were at right angles to the shore. It's about function. Wharves to me are facilities where ships/boats berthed to take on/ take off people/cargo. The direction they pointed is irrelevant.
You can tie a boat up to anything.  Many jetties had landing platforms to tie up to. The platforms sometimes are referred to as wharves. It's all pretty subjective.
Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 

But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...

John

On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.
I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.
Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 

John

On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike





Re: Balls Head

Chris Stratton
 

So the Tee jetty at Wollongong was also a wharf. To be relevant here it did have a rail line on it, connected to the Mt Keira tramway. I'm not sure if it was dual gauge and also connected to the Mt Pleasant tramway.

Regards,
Chris

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While we're being pedantic, the plural of Wharf is Wharves.


And a Jetty can be a Pier, or a Wharf can be a Pier (determined by their construction), but Jetty and Wharf are mutually exclusive (unless they are "L" shaped and lay both parallel and at right angles to the shore!)


And the Woolloomoolloo Finger Wharf was so named because Australian Stevedores are all called Wharfies. They probably would go on strike if someone called them Jetters or Pieries.


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How do we account for “finger wharfs” (eg Walsh Bay) which are surely either piers or jetties??




Cheers
Dr Iain Stuart
JCIS Consultants
P.O. Box 2397
Burwood North, NSW, 2134
Australia (02) 9701019
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Re: Balls Head

Noel Reed
 

Manly Wharf extends at 90 degrees from the shore and is shown on the destinations of all bus routes in the area.

 

Regarding ‘Wharfies’, where does ‘Stevedore’ fit in to the discussion ?

 

Noel Reed.

 

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While we're being pedantic, the plural of Wharf is Wharves.

And a Jetty can be a Pier, or a Wharf can be a Pier (determined by their construction), but Jetty and Wharf are mutually exclusive (unless they are "L" shaped and lay both parallel and at right angles to the shore!)

And the Woolloomoolloo Finger Wharf was so named because Australian Stevedores are all called Wharfies. They probably would go on strike if someone called them Jetters or Pieries.

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Subject: [LRRSA] Balls Head
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Received: Monday, 29 February, 2016, 7:05 AM


How do we account for “finger wharfs” (eg Walsh Bay) which are surely either piers or jetties??

 Cheers  
Dr Iain Stuart  
JCIS Consultants
P.O. Box 2397
Burwood North, NSW, 2134
Australia  (02) 9701019
1Iain_Stuart@...  

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Re: : Re: Balls Head

Michael McCarthy
 

I disagree with the orientation point. Melbourne had many wharves that were at right angles to the shore. It's about function. Wharves to me are facilities where ships/boats berthed to take on/ take off people/cargo. The direction they pointed is irrelevant.
You can tie a boat up to anything.  Many jetties had landing platforms to tie up to. The platforms sometimes are referred to as wharves. It's all pretty subjective.
Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 

But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...

John

On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.
I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.
Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 

John

On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike




Re: : Re: Balls Head

Eddie Oliver
 

On 29/02/2016 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 



The ferry 'wharves' at Circular Quay in Sydney are perpendicular to the shore.  Although I haven't heard them so described for many years, they were once also referred to as jetties.



Re: Balls Head

Tony Smith
 

While we're being pedantic, the plural of Wharf is Wharves.


And a Jetty can be a Pier, or a Wharf can be a Pier (determined by their construction), but Jetty and Wharf are mutually exclusive (unless they are "L" shaped and lay both parallel and at right angles to the shore!)


And the Woolloomoolloo Finger Wharf was so named because Australian Stevedores are all called Wharfies. They probably would go on strike if someone called them Jetters or Pieries.


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On Mon, 29/2/16, 'Iain Stuart' iain_stuart@optusnet.com.au [LRRSA] <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> wrote:


Subject: [LRRSA] Balls Head
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Monday, 29 February, 2016, 7:05 AM


How do we account for “finger wharfs” (eg Walsh Bay) which are surely either piers or jetties??




 Cheers  
Dr Iain Stuart  
JCIS Consultants
P.O. Box 2397
Burwood North, NSW, 2134
Australia  (02) 9701019
1Iain_Stuart@optusnet.com.au


Re: : Re: Balls Head

John Dennis
 

Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 

But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...

John

On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.
I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.
Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.

Mike

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 

John

On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike




Re: : Re: Balls Head

Michael McCarthy
 

I think a dock is a semi-enclosed berthing structure. 

Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:56, Rod Hutchinson rodhutchy@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:

 

What is a dock then?

Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark
Australia

On 29 Feb 2016 7:47 pm, "mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.
Cheers,
Mike

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