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Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

Stefan
 

 

On 02/01/2016 12:44, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
I beg to differ.
 
 
I don't think this can be regarded a true articulation, as found on Mallet or Beyer-Garratt locos. It is more a system to give a bit more flexibility and side-ways movement to the outer coupled axles.

These type of "bogies" (Krauss-Helmholtz, etc.) actually consist of a linkage between the pony-trucks and their adjacent coupled axles to push the driving axles a bit sideways and so ease its passage through sharp curves. They were often used on long-wheelbase, coupled locos in Europe, although I don't think they were much used here or the rest of the "English-speaking" world. The Germans also tried out various types of "flexible-wheelbase" locos, such a Luttermoller and Klein-Lindner, in which the end axles did actually pivot a bit on curves; there was no actual axle-pivoting in the Krauss-Helmholtz system.

There is no actual "hinge" between two groups of coupled wheels, to allow them to take up an angle to each other, as in true articulated locos.


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Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

B.Rumary
 

On 02/01/2016 12:44, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
I beg to differ.
 
 
I don't think this can be regarded a true articulation, as found on Mallet or Beyer-Garratt locos. It is more a system to give a bit more flexibility and side-ways movement to the outer coupled axles.

These type of "bogies" (Krauss-Helmholtz, etc.) actually consist of a linkage between the pony-trucks and their adjacent coupled axles to push the driving axles a bit sideways and so ease its passage through sharp curves. They were often used on long-wheelbase, coupled locos in Europe, although I don't think they were much used here or the rest of the "English-speaking" world. The Germans also tried out various types of "flexible-wheelbase" locos, such a Luttermoller and Klein-Lindner, in which the end axles did actually pivot a bit on curves; there was no actual axle-pivoting in the Krauss-Helmholtz system.

There is no actual "hinge" between two groups of coupled wheels, to allow them to take up an angle to each other, as in true articulated locos.


-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk

Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

Eddie Oliver
 

On 3/01/2016 08:02, Frank Stamford frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:
It depends on what your definition of "articulated" is, I think.
If you consider "articulated" to mean separate frames, as in Garratt, Meyer, Hagans, Fairlie, Mallet etc, then the Harz 2-10-2Ts are not articulated.

That is surely what is normally meant by the term.


If you consider "articulated" to mean not having a rigid wheelbase, then the Harz 2-10-2Ts are articulated, the first and fifth driving axles are allowed some radial movement.


Is that a customary usage? It would never occur to me to use the word with such a meaning.

Origin of articulate

Classical Latin articulatus, past participle of articulare, to separate into joints, utter distinctly
 

http://www.yourdictionary.com/articulate#gWJ0mqg5cBfOVuAE.99


Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

Geoff Potter <potgeoff@...>
 

Happy New Year Michael.
I too have enjoyed your fine photographs,
regards
Geoff Potter


On Sunday, 3 January 2016, 8:02, "Frank Stamford frank.stamford@... [LRRSA]" wrote:


 

Good morning all,

It depends on what your definition of "articulated" is, I think.

If you consider "articulated" to mean separate frames, as in Garratt, Meyer, Hagans, Fairlie, Mallet etc, then the Harz 2-10-2Ts are not articulated.

If you consider "articulated" to mean not having a rigid wheelbase, then the Harz 2-10-2Ts are articulated, the first and fifth driving axles are allowed some radial movement.

In any case, thanks Michael for posting some very nice pictures of a most interesting railway.

Regards,

Frank


On 2/01/2016 11:44 PM, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 
I beg to differ.
 
 
Michael Chapman

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In a message dated 02/01/2016 11:39:19 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:
 
On 01/01/2016 13:10, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Their articulated 2-10-2 locomotives are amazing.

Nice photos - however the 2-10-2T locos are NOT articulated!

--
Brian Rumary
England
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Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

Frank Stamford
 


Good morning all,

It depends on what your definition of "articulated" is, I think.

If you consider "articulated" to mean separate frames, as in Garratt, Meyer, Hagans, Fairlie, Mallet etc, then the Harz 2-10-2Ts are not articulated.

If you consider "articulated" to mean not having a rigid wheelbase, then the Harz 2-10-2Ts are articulated, the first and fifth driving axles are allowed some radial movement.

In any case, thanks Michael for posting some very nice pictures of a most interesting railway.

Regards,

Frank


On 2/01/2016 11:44 PM, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
 

I beg to differ.
 
 
Michael Chapman

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In a message dated 02/01/2016 11:39:19 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:
 

On 01/01/2016 13:10, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Their articulated 2-10-2 locomotives are amazing.

Nice photos - however the 2-10-2T locos are NOT articulated!

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

Michael C.
 

I beg to differ.
 
 
Michael Chapman

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In a message dated 02/01/2016 11:39:19 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:
 

On 01/01/2016 13:10, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Their articulated 2-10-2 locomotives are amazing.

Nice photos - however the 2-10-2T locos are NOT articulated!

--
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk

Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

B.Rumary
 

On 01/01/2016 13:10, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Their articulated 2-10-2 locomotives are amazing.

Nice photos - however the 2-10-2T locos are NOT articulated!

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk

Re: OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

BM
 

Michael,

Many thanks for sharing these images via the LRRSA Group. I have enjoyed them immensely and I envy your opportunity to experience this wonderful operation first-hand.

 

Cheers

Bob McKillop

 

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Sent: Saturday, 2 January 2016 12:10 AM
To: lrrsa@...
Subject: [LRRSA] OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

 

 

Happy New Year!

 

Greetings from the United Kingdom.

 

Over Christmas I travelled to Germany via train to visit the metre-gauge Harzer Schmalspurbahnen.

 

I liked it so much I rode it twice on two separate days. Their articulated 2-10-2 locomotives are amazing. There was also a Mallet locomotive built in 1898 by Arn Jung in steam.

 

On the second day I caught a train to the top of the Brocken. Sadly there was no snow this year but it was zero degrees C on the top and when you add the wind-chill factor it felt much colder.

 

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

 

Going even further off-topic, pages 3 and 4 of the album show the modern trains (and a tram) used to get to Germany, travel around the Harz, and get back to the UK.

 

Take a look if you are interested.

 

Kind regards for 2016.

 

Michael Chapman

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Victorian State Forests - Digital map data

John Cleverdon
 

Hello all,
Something that may be of interest for those of you who use CAD or GIS (Geographic Information Software).

You can now download datasets with information on Victorian State Forest features such as historic relics (including a few timber tramway/mill remains), picnic/camping sites, toilets, car parks, huts and walking tracks. See: https://www.data.vic.gov.au/data/dataset?q=recreation+site (ignore the first item).

I've already download all 6 items and added them to GIS workspaces I have.

Further details are:
"Recreation Facility attributes were collected on site. The majority of the attributes are from drop down lists which minimises errors. Data has been collected with a Trimble Pro XR GPSwith an external antenna. The majority of points have sub metre accuracy, detailed in the attributes. The upper limit of accuracy is within 10m for 95% of the data. All data has been post processed using GPSnet base stations."

Those of you who are tech-savvy (but don't have GIS software) might want to try the open-source 'QGIS' software (see: http://www.qgis.org/en/site/forusers/download.html) and use the above datasets along with other Vicmap datasets such as transport, hydrology, or elevation (do a search at: https://www.data.vic.gov.au/).
Alternatively, you could use CAD/similar software as the data is available in DWG and DXF formats.

Regards,
John
--
John Cleverdon
Mornington Peninsula, Victoria, Australia
John's web page: http://users.cdi.com.au/~johnc/
LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-cleverdon/a/a81/2b

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OFF TOPIC German narrow gauge

Michael C.
 

Happy New Year!
 
Greetings from the United Kingdom.
 
Over Christmas I travelled to Germany via train to visit the metre-gauge Harzer Schmalspurbahnen.
 
I liked it so much I rode it twice on two separate days. Their articulated 2-10-2 locomotives are amazing. There was also a Mallet locomotive built in 1898 by Arn Jung in steam.
 
On the second day I caught a train to the top of the Brocken. Sadly there was no snow this year but it was zero degrees C on the top and when you add the wind-chill factor it felt much colder.
 
I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.
 
Going even further off-topic, pages 3 and 4 of the album show the modern trains (and a tram) used to get to Germany, travel around the Harz, and get back to the UK.
 
Take a look if you are interested.
 
Kind regards for 2016.
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
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More photographs on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Festive greetings from the United Kingdom.
 
I've been uploading photographs to Flickr again; this time from AHRS Vic Division Railway Museum in Williamstown.
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
 
Best wishes for Christmas.
 
Michael Chapman

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Off-topic - more photos on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Hi all,
 
I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr from Canberra. The album can be seen here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157660449551411
 
The first part of the album shows Garratt 6029 at the Canberra Railway Museum.
 
From this point on there are scenes of the other locos and stock in the museum:
 
There are three shots of Parliament starting here:
 
Canberra Railway Station starting here:
 
Then I went on The Stockman train hauled by a heritage diesel from Canberra to Bungendore
 
There are a couple of shots of the German 'Mephisto' tank in Canberra starting here:
 
Then going off-topic there are some shots of the Canberra Deep Space Communication Complex and associated dishes.
 
Shots from the Mount Stromlo Observatory start here:
 
Then to finish with and to try and get back on topic there are some views of the miniature John Fowler locomotive at Cockington Green Gardens and Miniature Village. It has wing mirrors and even a cash drawer built into the tender!
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

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Cane train derails after hitting fishing boat on tracks in Cairns

Bill Bolton
 

"An MSF Sugar cane train was travelling alongside Redbank Road at
Packers Camp, south of Cairns, when it hit a fishing boat at a road
crossing about 1.25pm today.

It is understood a ute, towing the fishing boat, was crossing the
train line when the cane train hit the boat.

An MSF Sugar spokesman said the cane train had been hauling 32 empty
bins to a harvesting contractor from MSF Sugar's Mulgrave Mill at
Gordonvale.

He said the train was damaged and will be taken back to the Mulgrave
Mill, roughly eight kilometres south of the crash site.

MSF Sugar were conducting an internal investigation.

Queensland Ambulance Service confirmed no one was injured."

[There are some photos on the web link below]

<http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/cane-train-derails-after-hitting-fishing-boat-on-tracks-in-cairns-20151207-glhfbi.html>


****

Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia

Re: Photographs from Bellarine

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Me again, I have uploaded a collection of images from October of the Bellarine Railway to Flickr.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

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In a message dated 06/12/2015 16:18:47 GMT Standard Time, Chapmanmchapman@... writes:
Dear all,
 
I am slowly working my way through my collection of Australian photos and have just finished uploading a collection from the Walhalla Goldfields Railway to Flickr.
 
The WGR is an awesome railway with a constant 1 in 30 gradient; the steepest part is 1 in 28! It has back-to-back two chain radius curves meaning it has the sharpest bends on any railway in Australia. The railway presents a constant challenge to the train crew as the rails are usually wet and more often than not covered in leaves.
 
I'm told the WGR carries 32 thousand passengers per year making it the second busiest tourist railway in Victoria after Puffing Billy.
 
You may be aware the WGR is now twinned with the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway in the UK.
 
 
The images show the station at Thomson and then take you on a return journey from Walhalla; then you get some views of the train in the landscape; then I was offered a footplate ride! 
 
These photos are quite good too:
 
 
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

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Photographs from Walhalla

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
I am slowly working my way through my collection of Australian photos and have just finished uploading a collection from the Walhalla Goldfields Railway to Flickr.
 
The WGR is an awesome railway with a constant 1 in 30 gradient; the steepest part is 1 in 28! It has back-to-back two chain radius curves meaning it has the sharpest bends on any railway in Australia. The railway presents a constant challenge to the train crew as the rails are usually wet and more often than not covered in leaves.
 
I'm told the WGR carries 32 thousand passengers per year making it the second busiest tourist railway in Victoria after Puffing Billy.
 
You may be aware the WGR is now twinned with the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway in the UK.
 
 
The images show the station at Thomson and then take you on a return journey from Walhalla; then you get some views of the train in the landscape; then I was offered a footplate ride! 
 
These photos are quite good too:
 
 
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

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Re: : Plates at Melbourne Benevolent Asylum

Phil Rickard
 

Thanks Bob,

What I'm enquirying about was a plateway-type of track we believe the asylum used, probably along an internal road that was subject to heavy road traffic. 
The contractor's steam-powered construction tramway (2ft-ga) was totally separate, from Cheltenham station, for the duration of construction.  And also not to be confused with the asylum's internal electric tramway from the kitchens to the main building. And also not to be confused with the 5ft 3in gauge private line that the asylum wanted to build from Cheltenham station, before the 2ft-gauge line was built! (the VR killed off the private line by demanding very high connection costs at Cheltenham goods yard.)

So, apart from all those lines, the asylum bought some surplus Bochum Union road plates to supplement some old type plateway channel plates they had previously bought. The big question is: What did they do with them?  Thanks for the tip - I'll try and find the group to which you refer.

cheers

Phil

Plates at Melbourne Benevolent Asylum

Bob Backway
 

When my mother was there 10 years ago it appeared that there was a group/individual who had compiled a history of the Asylum including many photos. Perhaps if you contacted them you may get the information you want. I thought an article on the construction tramway had already been in LR.

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com


Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:07:07 +0000
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Sat Dec 5, 2015 10:46 pm (EST) . Posted by:

chy_gwel_an_meneth

Many thanks to everyone who responded to Jim's plateway request.

On a similar theme, but narrowing it down to a particular type of plateway plate, can anyone add to the following list of known users of Bochum Union "road rails" (plates) in Australasia?
Shire of Moorabbin - Centre Dandenong Road
Cook County Council (NZ) - Gisborne
SA Govt - Port Road;
SA Govt - Seven Roads to Edithburgh

These plates, superior to the existing English plates, were introduced to A/Asia by Lohmanns in 1907, and their use was cut short by the Great War. Some surplus plates were sold to the Melbourne Benevolent Asylum (in Cheltenham) in 1915 - can anyone shed any light as to what the asylum did with them?

Lohmanns claimed that many miles of Bochum Union (Bochumer Verein) plates were laid down in Germany. Does anyone have access to a Bochum Union catalogue of c.1905 - 10 and advise what they were called in German? Asking Dr Google for the German equiv of "road rails" has proved useless! We would be interested in knowing where in Germany they were used so we can search for a photo etc . . .

many thanks

Phil Rickard
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Re: : Rutways and Plateways in Australia

Phil Rickard
 

Many thanks to everyone who responded to Jim's plateway request. 

On a similar theme, but narrowing it down to a particular type of plateway plate, can anyone add to the following list of known users of Bochum Union "road rails" (plates) in Australasia?
Shire of Moorabbin - Centre Dandenong Road
Cook County Council (NZ) - Gisborne
SA Govt - Port Road;
SA Govt - Seven Roads to Edithburgh

These plates, superior to the existing English plates, were introduced to A/Asia by Lohmanns in 1907, and their use was cut short by the Great War. Some surplus plates were sold to the Melbourne Benevolent Asylum (in Cheltenham) in 1915 - can anyone shed any light as to what the asylum did with them?

Lohmanns claimed that many miles of Bochum Union (Bochumer Verein) plates were laid down in Germany. Does anyone have access to a Bochum Union catalogue of c.1905 - 10 and advise what they were called in German?  Asking Dr Google for the German equiv of "road rails" has proved useless! We would be interested in knowing where in Germany they were used so we can search for a photo etc . . .

many thanks 

Phil Rickard

Re: : Rutways and Plateways in Australia

jimlongworth1952
 

Hi Kevin


Would u please contact me off line? jimlongw1952@...


Ta

Jim

Tweed line opening timetable

Petan
 

Queensland Railways, Opening Timetables of Railway to Tweed Heads plus separate mention of alteration of timetable for the earlier built Southport / Nerang line.

As well as the opening of Extension Kilkivan Branch. The Brisbane Courier Friday 11 September 1903 P. 8 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/19241151 

******************************************************

GOOMBUNGEE TRAMWAY. The Rosalie Shire Council invite separate tenders for Rails and Fastenings; for Sleepers. Particulars on application G. PHILLIPS, Telegraph Chambers, Brisbane

Public Notices;Opening of the railway line between Rockhampton and Gladstone.

PIONEER SHIRE COUNCIL. Notice is hereby given that application has been made by the Pioneer Shire Council lo the Minister for Railways under the Provision of the Tramway Acts for Pioneer shire to construct a tramway.

The Brisbane Courier Saturday 12 December 1903 P.8 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/1546032


Cheers

Peter Cokley