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Re: Cane Locos

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

Which type of loco’s do you want drawings of, Clyde, Comeng, Baldwin’s, Eimco’s or converted Walkers DH as in QR DH or 73 class?
 
Brian
Qld. Aust.
 

Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 8:17 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Cane Locos
 


Hi All,

I have just joined the group as I am very interested in the Cane Railways of Queensland. I have just returned from Cairns where I was amazed at just how comprehensive they are.

I model electric trams in 7mm scale and I would love to work in a small section of cane railways on my layout ( I know the cane railways did not run near electric tramways but I do model Brisbane trams as well so I'm in the same state!!!) and I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction where I might be able to get some loco drawings, I would like to do some of the current 0-6-0 fleet preferably or even some of the double truck versions.

Would anyone be able to assist me please?

best wishes
Greg


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Cane Locos

Greg King
 

Hi All,

I have just joined the group as I am very interested in the Cane Railways of Queensland. I have just returned from Cairns where I was amazed at just how comprehensive they are.

I model electric trams in 7mm scale and I would love to work in a small section of cane railways on my layout ( I know the cane railways did not run near electric tramways but I do model Brisbane trams as well so I'm in the same state!!!) and I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction where I might be able to get some loco drawings, I would like to do some of the current 0-6-0 fleet preferably or even some of the double truck versions.

Would anyone be able to assist me please?

best wishes
Greg



Cane Locos

Greg King
 

Hi All,

I have just joined the group as I am very interested in the Cane Railways of Queensland. I have just returned from Cairns where I was amazed at just how comprehensive they are.

I model electric trams in 7mm scale and I would love to work in a small section of cane railways on my layout ( I know the cane railways did not run near electric tramways but I do model Brisbane trams as well so I'm in the same state!!!) and I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction where I might be able to get some loco drawings, I would like to do some of the current 0-6-0 fleet preferably or even some of the double truck versions.

Would anyone be able to assist me please?

best wishes
Greg



Coolangatta airport tramway 1939

Petan
 

 A mile and a third of narrow gauge line tramway with tractor haulage was used to transport gravel for the construction of the runways for Coolangatta Aerodrome in 1939. The quarry is suspected to be the Miles St quarry now the site of the electrical substation. This is right on the state border. My only source of data so far is this trove report.


Tweed Daily (Murwillumbah, NSW: 1914 - 1949), Thursday 18 May 1939, page 7 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article192298711

 

The metalling of the three runways Mr. Jeffrey estimated, will take about 12 months. 

Metal Carried On Miniature 'Trains.. 

The metal — yellow-coloured C grade stone, which will crush under a roller and constant use to a smooth powder like surface — is being transported by trolley from a quarry at the foot of the north-west side of Mt Murraba. Most of the 20 men employed on the job are working at the quarry, filling the tip-trucks. There are two sets of five trucks, which form two small trains. These are drawn alternately to the aerodrome along a mile and a third of narrow-gauge line by a tractor. The average time taken on a return trip is half an hour. While many men are engaged in filling the trucks, only two are required to spread the metal to a thickness of about three inches between the times of arrival of the train. Mr. Jeffrey said he had met with great difficulty in building the trolley line over the swampy country between the quarry and the aerodrome. The line kept on sinking, he said, and if all the metal he had used for filling the swamp had been used on the aerodrome he would be much further ahead than he was. 

Cheers

Peter Cokley


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Re: : Re: Re:: Re: Cudgen sugar mill

Bruce Wood
 

Barry,
 
That would be appreciated if you are able to post a copy on this site!
 
Cheers
Bruce
 
 
 

Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:53 PM
Subject: Re:: Re: Re:: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill
 
 

I have a map that shows the Crabbes Creek tramway. Unfortunately it is at home and I am in Scotland,. I will get it out when I get home next month.

Barry


Re: : Re: Re:: Re: Cudgen sugar mill

Barry Campbell
 

I have a map that shows the Crabbes Creek tramway. Unfortunately it is at home and I am in Scotland,. I will get it out when I get home next month.

Barry


More pretty pictures from the UK

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Last weekend the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog ran a special event called 'Slate, Steam and Sail'.
 
There were three visiting Quarry Class 0-4-0 Hunslets, a display from Porthmadog Maritime Museum and a slate splitter.
 
A collection of photos can be seen here:
 
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly


Re: Cudgen sugar mill

John Browning
 

The main Condong tramway network was lifted very soon after traffic ended at the end of the 1974 season.

I suspect that the same would have happened at Crabbes Creek.

 

(Of course track being lifted does not mean that the line would automatically disappear from a map!)

 

John

 

John Browning

Brisbane

Australia

 


Re: : Re: Cudgen sugar mill

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Peter,
 
Yes – it was the Norries Head 1942, map to which I was looking at.
 
The cane fields appear to be a reasonable size, and I would have liked to see how extensive the tramway system was?
 
Thanks again!
 
Bruce Wood
 

Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 12:11 PM
Subject: Re:: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill
 
 

The Crabbes Creek sugar area is marked on the Norries 1942 map although the tramway is not marked. The Murwillumbah 1976 map only went as far south as 28 22’30” and east to 153 30’00” so not as far south as Crabbes Creek.
 
Thanks Bruce for your kind words! The topic has fascinated me and when I discovered the maps were in the Murwillumbah library which now allows A3 scanning to memory stick, I took the opportunity to scan them when down there last week. Not sure if other LRRSA yahoogroup members also have the maps.
 
Garner, not sure about where Jimmy Barnes " Working Class Man " was filmed.
 
Cheers
Peter Cokley
 
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015 10:41 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill
 
Hi Peter and all,
 
Peter - fantastic research – I enjoy reading through what you have uncovered. Having a look at this map in detail, there does not appear to be any reference to the Crabbes Creek tramway? Can anyone else see it, (am I going blind?), or offer a suggestion on why it is not recorded? I forget off-hand exactly the year it ceased operation, however I would have thought the track work would have still been in place in 1974 / 1976?
 
Best regards
Bruce Wood


Re: : Re: Cudgen sugar mill

G S
 

 Thanks Peter

Great research as always.

Garner


From: "yahoomail@... [LRRSA]"
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015, 12:11
Subject: Re:: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill

 
The Crabbes Creek sugar area is marked on the Norries 1942 map although the tramway is not marked. The Murwillumbah 1976 map only went as far south as 28 22’30” and east to 153 30’00” so not as far south as Crabbes Creek. 

Thanks Bruce for your kind words! The topic has fascinated me and when I discovered the maps were in the Murwillumbah library which now allows A3 scanning to memory stick, I took the opportunity to scan them when down there last week. Not sure if other LRRSA yahoogroup members also have the maps.

Garner, not sure about where Jimmy Barnes " Working Class Man " was filmed.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] 
Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015 10:41 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill

Hi Peter and all,
 
Peter - fantastic research – I enjoy reading through what you have uncovered. Having a look at this map in detail, there does not appear to be any reference to the Crabbes Creek tramway? Can anyone else see it, (am I going blind?), or offer a suggestion on why it is not recorded? I forget off-hand exactly the year it ceased operation, however I would have thought the track work would have still been in place in 1974 / 1976?
 
Best regards
Bruce Wood 



Re: : Re: Cudgen sugar mill

Petan
 

The Crabbes Creek sugar area is marked on the Norries 1942 map although the tramway is not marked. The Murwillumbah 1976 map only went as far south as 28 22’30” and east to 153 30’00” so not as far south as Crabbes Creek. 

Thanks Bruce for your kind words! The topic has fascinated me and when I discovered the maps were in the Murwillumbah library which now allows A3 scanning to memory stick, I took the opportunity to scan them when down there last week. Not sure if other LRRSA yahoogroup members also have the maps.

Garner, not sure about where Jimmy Barnes " Working Class Man " was filmed.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] 
Sent: Monday, 13 July 2015 10:41 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill

Hi Peter and all,
 
Peter - fantastic research – I enjoy reading through what you have uncovered. Having a look at this map in detail, there does not appear to be any reference to the Crabbes Creek tramway? Can anyone else see it, (am I going blind?), or offer a suggestion on why it is not recorded? I forget off-hand exactly the year it ceased operation, however I would have thought the track work would have still been in place in 1974 / 1976?
 
Best regards
Bruce Wood 


Re: Cudgen sugar mill

Bruce Wood
 

Thanks John for the clarification on the dates.
 
I was expecting that the track work would have still been in place for a few years after the tramway ceased operation?
 
Best regards
Bruce Wood
 

Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 10:59 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Cudgen sugar mill
 
 

The Crabbes Creek tramway was in use from 1921 to 1972.

John

John Browning

Brisbane

Australia


Re: Cudgen sugar mill

John Browning
 

The Crabbes Creek tramway was in use from 1921 to 1972.

 

John

 

John Browning

Brisbane

Australia

 


Re: Cudgen sugar mill

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Peter and all,
 
Peter - fantastic research – I enjoy reading through what you have uncovered.
 
Having a look at this map in detail, there does not appear to be any reference to the Crabbes Creek tramway? Can anyone else see it, (am I going blind?), or offer a suggestion on why it is not recorded?
 
I forget off-hand exactly the year it ceased operation, however I would have thought the track work would have still been in place in 1974 / 1976?
 
 
Best regards
Bruce Wood
 

Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 4:01 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill
 
 

The Norries Head 1942 topographical map (extract) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwejI4ZE5ZY0t1bGs/edit  is part of my investigation of the site of the Cudgen sugar mill.

I marked the Cudgen Public School and the present day Crescent Street which was the main road north to the Tweed River up to about the mid 1980s. The sugar mill chimney is marked as a trig point (160 ft high) east of the school and under the name Cudgen. This chimney was destroyed in 1962. The present day main road (Tweed Coast Rd) goes through the general sugar mill site. 

The mineral sands tramway is shown on the coast to the south. Part of the map was also in Jim Longworth ‘s “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” in Light Railways 207, June 2009. Map from the Murwillumbah branch of the Richmond Tweed Regional Library. I scanned as A3 and merged.

There will be a follow up post with the tramway routes via 1974 and 1976 topographical maps.

Cheers

Peter Cokley

Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012 To: LRRSA@...   Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen NSW sugar mill

“The titanium tramway at Cudgen” is described in Light Railways 207 (June 2009). The article includes a section of a 1942 topographic map on page 4 which marks the location of a chimney on the eastern edge of Cudgen. The chimney, presumably at the site of the old sugar mill, would have been approximately 150 metres north of the intersection of (what is now) Cudgen Road and the Tweed Coast Road, on land now occupied by the road alignment between the intersection and Chinderah. Within Cudgen there is a housing development adjacent to this area, accessed by John Robb Way.

Scott Jesser 



Cudgen mineral sands

Petan
 

The following 10 MB PDF from 1955 has background material with reference to Jim Longworth‘s “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” in Light Railways 207, June 2009.


Beach Sand Heavy Mineral Deposits Of Eastern Australia By D. E. Gardner. Commonwealth of Australia, Department of National Development, Bureau of Mineral Resources, Geology and Geophysics. 1955

http://www.ga.gov.au/corporate_data/194/Bull_028.pdf  


Cheers

Peter Cokley



Re: : Cudgen sugar mill

Petan
 

 
The Condong sugar tramway routes are on the following three maps.

Northern area from the Cudgen 1974 map. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwaDg4R0VHNFlFLWs/edit  

I marked the Cudgen Public School and the present day Crescent Street which was the main road north to the Tweed River up to about the mid-1980s. The approx site of the Cudgen sugar mill is also marked although the map does not show a tramway to the former depot there. The Cudgen Public School today is at the same location as marked on the 1942 topographical map. The mineral sands area is also marked on the original 1974 map along the coast.

Condong Sugar Mill and lines to the east from the Murwillumbah 1976 map https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwSWtSTTNuaGNJZmc/edit  

Condong Sugar Mill lines to the north from the Murwillumbah 1976 map https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwSnJLLUNMTjkxOUk/edit  

Unfortunately there is a horizontal sliver of a gap between the two Murwillumbah 1976 map scans although the river allows clues to determine the locations. The portion of tramway missing is main truck line without any branch lines.

The Condong sugar tramway crossed the Pacific Highway at three places; (1) Condong Mill (2) Cudgen Mill line to the Chinderah wharf before the truck line was built directly to the mill late 1950s and (3) the line to Dodds Island as shown on the Cudgen 1974 map where the Pacific Highway is known locally as Oak Ave 28°15'16.05"S 153°31'41.06"E. Melaleuca Station Memorial Gardens and Crematorium is just south of that former tramway highway crossing site. Before it became a crematorium, Melaleuca Station was a tourist venture including static Melbourne suburban carriages and operating Marian Mill’s 0-6-2T Perry 2601.51.1 of 1951. The junction of the new Pacific Motorway and the former Pacific Highway (The Tweed Valley Way) route to Murwillumbah is also in the general area where the tramway crossed the Pacific Highway.  

The reference to the line crossing the Pacific Highway in that area was in LRRSA yahoogroup message 7459 Re Harwood sugar mill tramway by Barry Campbell Aug 23, 2014; 

(quote) According to what I have read (Principally the article in the ARHS Bulletin of June 1976) there was a line from the old Cudgen Mill to a wharf at Chinderah which was made redundant by a link line from Tumbulgum to Cudgen built in the late 1950s.  My grandfather moved to Fingal 1961 or 62 and we made the trip up from Lismore regularly for weekends until 1966 and I don’t remember the wharf line crossing the highway.  Otherwise, the Pacific Highway crossed the Condong system twice (sort of).  Once at the mill where both 610mm and standard gauge crossed the highway and entered the mill. The second place was in Oak Avenue where the private line belonging to either Mr Byrne or Mr Brinsmead crossed on its way to join the main system.  I found remains of this line in 1986 but I can’t see them now as I drive past.  This line went to Dodds Island (Not Stotts Island as the 1976 article states) and the bridge still exists. In 1986 it even still had some tram line on it. (end quote) 

Maps from the Murwillumbah branch of the Richmond Tweed Regional Library. I scanned as A3 and merged. 

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Cudgen sugar mill

Petan
 

The Norries Head 1942 topographical map (extract) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwejI4ZE5ZY0t1bGs/edit  is part of my investigation of the site of the Cudgen sugar mill.

I marked the Cudgen Public School and the present day Crescent Street which was the main road north to the Tweed River up to about the mid 1980s. The sugar mill chimney is marked as a trig point (160 ft high) east of the school and under the name Cudgen. This chimney was destroyed in 1962. The present day main road (Tweed Coast Rd) goes through the general sugar mill site.  

The mineral sands tramway is shown on the coast to the south. Part of the map was also in Jim Longworth ‘s “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” in Light Railways 207, June 2009. Map from the Murwillumbah branch of the Richmond Tweed Regional Library. I scanned as A3 and merged.

There will be a follow up post with the tramway routes via 1974 and 1976 topographical maps.

Cheers

Peter Cokley

Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012 To: LRRSA@...   Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen NSW sugar mill

“The titanium tramway at Cudgen” is described in Light Railways 207 (June 2009). The article includes a section of a 1942 topographic map on page 4 which marks the location of a chimney on the eastern edge of Cudgen. The chimney, presumably at the site of the old sugar mill, would have been approximately 150 metres north of the intersection of (what is now) Cudgen Road and the Tweed Coast Road, on land now occupied by the road alignment between the intersection and Chinderah. Within Cudgen there is a housing development adjacent to this area, accessed by John Robb Way.

 Scott Jesser  



Re: : Where it all began...

halfpilotstaff
 

I seem to be seeing many brethren of Skarloey, Duncan, Rheneas and Peter Sam in those photos....

Lovely photos as always, Michael!


Re: Where it all began...

Geoff Potter <potgeoff@...>
 

Superb Michael,
what a great record of such a significant milestone!
Thanks again. Always enjoy your photos,
cheers
Geoff Potter




On Friday, 10 July 2015, 11:30, "chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA]" wrote:


 
Dear all,
 
Last weekend was the 150th anniversary of the 2'3" gauge Talyllyn Railway in mid Wales - the world's first preserved railway.
 
Two temporary 2' gauge sidings had been laid and 'Prince' from the Ffestiniog Railway and 'Russell' from the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway were in attendance and ran up and down carrying visitors.
 
I spent three days at Wharf Station manning a publicity / trade stand for the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway. Thanks to mobile phone technology and the Talyllyn Railway's wi-fi I made around twenty updates to the WHHR Facebook page whilst I was there. Please visit: https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
 
Having returned home, I have uploaded a collection of photographs to Flickr. Take a look if you're interested:
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly




Where it all began...

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Last weekend was the 150th anniversary of the 2'3" gauge Talyllyn Railway in mid Wales - the world's first preserved railway.
 
Two temporary 2' gauge sidings had been laid and 'Prince' from the Ffestiniog Railway and 'Russell' from the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway were in attendance and ran up and down carrying visitors.
 
I spent three days at Wharf Station manning a publicity / trade stand for the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway. Thanks to mobile phone technology and the Talyllyn Railway's wi-fi I made around twenty updates to the WHHR Facebook page whilst I was there. Please visit: https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
 
Having returned home, I have uploaded a collection of photographs to Flickr. Take a look if you're interested:
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge
Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly

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