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Re: Cudgen sugar mill
Bruce Wood
Hi Peter and all,
Peter - fantastic research – I enjoy reading through what you have
uncovered.
Having a look at this map in detail, there does not appear to be any
reference to the Crabbes Creek tramway? Can anyone else see it, (am I going
blind?), or offer a suggestion on why it is not recorded?
I forget off-hand exactly the year it ceased operation, however I would
have thought the track work would have still been in place in 1974 / 1976?
Best regards
Bruce Wood
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Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2015 4:01 PM
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Subject: [LRRSA] Cudgen sugar mill
The Norries Head 1942 topographical map (extract) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwejI4ZE5ZY0t1bGs/edit is part of my investigation of the site of the Cudgen sugar mill. I marked the Cudgen Public School and the present day Crescent Street which was the main road north to the Tweed River up to about the mid 1980s. The sugar mill chimney is marked as a trig point (160 ft high) east of the school and under the name Cudgen. This chimney was destroyed in 1962. The present day main road (Tweed Coast Rd) goes through the general sugar mill site. The mineral sands tramway is shown on the coast to the south. Part of the map was also in Jim Longworth ‘s “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” in Light Railways 207, June 2009. Map from the Murwillumbah branch of the Richmond Tweed Regional Library. I scanned as A3 and merged. There will be a follow up post with the tramway routes via 1974 and 1976 topographical maps. Cheers Peter Cokley Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012 To: LRRSA@... Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen NSW sugar mill “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” is described in Light Railways 207 (June 2009). The article includes a section of a 1942 topographic map on page 4 which marks the location of a chimney on the eastern edge of Cudgen. The chimney, presumably at the site of the old sugar mill, would have been approximately 150 metres north of the intersection of (what is now) Cudgen Road and the Tweed Coast Road, on land now occupied by the road alignment between the intersection and Chinderah. Within Cudgen there is a housing development adjacent to this area, accessed by John Robb Way.
Scott Jesser
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Cudgen mineral sands
Petan
The following 10 MB PDF from 1955 has background material with reference to Jim Longworth‘s “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” in Light Railways 207, June 2009. Beach Sand Heavy Mineral Deposits Of Eastern Australia By D. E. Gardner. Commonwealth of Australia, Department of National Development, Bureau of Mineral Resources, Geology and Geophysics. 1955
http://www.ga.gov.au/corporate_data/194/Bull_028.pdf Cheers Peter Cokley
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Re: : Cudgen sugar mill
Petan
The Condong sugar tramway routes are on the following three maps. Northern area from the Cudgen 1974 map. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwaDg4R0VHNFlFLWs/edit I marked the Cudgen Public School and the present day Crescent Street which was the main road north to the Tweed River up to about the mid-1980s. The approx site of the Cudgen sugar mill is also marked although the map does not show a tramway to the former depot there. The Cudgen Public School today is at the same location as marked on the 1942 topographical map. The mineral sands area is also marked on the original 1974 map along the coast. Condong Sugar Mill and lines to the east from the Murwillumbah 1976 map https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwSWtSTTNuaGNJZmc/edit Condong Sugar Mill lines to the north from the Murwillumbah 1976 map https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwSnJLLUNMTjkxOUk/edit Unfortunately there is a horizontal sliver of a gap between the two Murwillumbah 1976 map scans although the river allows clues to determine the locations. The portion of tramway missing is main truck line without any branch lines. The Condong sugar tramway crossed the Pacific Highway at three places; (1) Condong Mill (2) Cudgen Mill line to the Chinderah wharf before the truck line was built directly to the mill late 1950s and (3) the line to Dodds Island as shown on the Cudgen 1974 map where the Pacific Highway is known locally as Oak Ave 28°15'16.05"S 153°31'41.06"E. Melaleuca Station Memorial Gardens and Crematorium is just south of that former tramway highway crossing site. Before it became a crematorium, Melaleuca Station was a tourist venture including static Melbourne suburban carriages and operating Marian Mill’s 0-6-2T Perry 2601.51.1 of 1951. The junction of the new Pacific Motorway and the former Pacific Highway (The Tweed Valley Way) route to Murwillumbah is also in the general area where the tramway crossed the Pacific Highway. The reference to the line crossing the Pacific Highway in that area was in LRRSA yahoogroup message 7459 Re Harwood sugar mill tramway by Barry Campbell Aug 23, 2014; (quote) According to what I have read (Principally the article in the ARHS Bulletin of June 1976) there was a line from the old Cudgen Mill to a wharf at Chinderah which was made redundant by a link line from Tumbulgum to Cudgen built in the late 1950s. My grandfather moved to Fingal 1961 or 62 and we made the trip up from Lismore regularly for weekends until 1966 and I don’t remember the wharf line crossing the highway. Otherwise, the Pacific Highway crossed the Condong system twice (sort of). Once at the mill where both 610mm and standard gauge crossed the highway and entered the mill. The second place was in Oak Avenue where the private line belonging to either Mr Byrne or Mr Brinsmead crossed on its way to join the main system. I found remains of this line in 1986 but I can’t see them now as I drive past. This line went to Dodds Island (Not Stotts Island as the 1976 article states) and the bridge still exists. In 1986 it even still had some tram line on it. (end quote) Maps from the Murwillumbah branch of the Richmond Tweed Regional Library. I scanned as A3 and merged. Cheers Peter Cokley
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Cudgen sugar mill
Petan
The Norries Head 1942 topographical map (extract) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwejI4ZE5ZY0t1bGs/edit is part of my investigation of the site of the Cudgen sugar mill. I marked the Cudgen Public School and the present day Crescent Street which was the main road north to the Tweed River up to about the mid 1980s. The sugar mill chimney is marked as a trig point (160 ft high) east of the school and under the name Cudgen. This chimney was destroyed in 1962. The present day main road (Tweed Coast Rd) goes through the general sugar mill site. The mineral sands tramway is shown on the coast to the south. Part of the map was also in Jim Longworth ‘s “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” in Light Railways 207, June 2009. Map from the Murwillumbah branch of the Richmond Tweed Regional Library. I scanned as A3 and merged. There will be a follow up post with the tramway routes via 1974 and 1976 topographical maps. Cheers Peter Cokley Sent: Tuesday, 16 October 2012 To: LRRSA@... Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Cudgen NSW sugar mill “The titanium tramway at Cudgen” is described in Light Railways 207 (June 2009). The article includes a section of a 1942 topographic map on page 4 which marks the location of a chimney on the eastern edge of Cudgen. The chimney, presumably at the site of the old sugar mill, would have been approximately 150 metres north of the intersection of (what is now) Cudgen Road and the Tweed Coast Road, on land now occupied by the road alignment between the intersection and Chinderah. Within Cudgen there is a housing development adjacent to this area, accessed by John Robb Way.
Scott Jesser
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Re: : Where it all began...
halfpilotstaff
I seem to be seeing many brethren of Skarloey, Duncan, Rheneas and Peter Sam in those photos....
Lovely photos as always, Michael!
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Re: Where it all began...
Geoff Potter <potgeoff@...>
Superb Michael, what a great record of such a significant milestone! Thanks again. Always enjoy your photos, cheers Geoff Potter
On Friday, 10 July 2015, 11:30, "chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA]" wrote: Dear all,
Last weekend was the 150th anniversary of the 2'3" gauge Talyllyn
Railway in mid Wales - the world's first preserved railway.
Two temporary 2' gauge sidings had been laid and 'Prince' from the
Ffestiniog Railway and 'Russell' from the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway were
in attendance and ran up and down carrying visitors.
I spent three days at Wharf Station manning a publicity / trade stand for
the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway. Thanks to mobile phone technology and the
Talyllyn Railway's wi-fi I made around twenty updates to the WHHR Facebook page
whilst I was there. Please visit: https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Having returned home, I have uploaded a collection of photographs to
Flickr. Take a look if you're interested:
Cheers,
Michael Chapman
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
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Where it all began...
Michael C.
Dear all,
Last weekend was the 150th anniversary of the 2'3" gauge Talyllyn
Railway in mid Wales - the world's first preserved railway.
Two temporary 2' gauge sidings had been laid and 'Prince' from the
Ffestiniog Railway and 'Russell' from the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway were
in attendance and ran up and down carrying visitors.
I spent three days at Wharf Station manning a publicity / trade stand for
the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway. Thanks to mobile phone technology and the
Talyllyn Railway's wi-fi I made around twenty updates to the WHHR Facebook page
whilst I was there. Please visit: https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Having returned home, I have uploaded a collection of photographs to
Flickr. Take a look if you're interested:
Cheers,
Michael Chapman Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt Follow me on Twitter @mikenarrowgauge Support the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
John Dennis
Hello Richard, It needs to be there so that we can report on sales. If the product is deleted from the shop, all of the orders containing that product are also deleted. John
On 8 July 2015 at 18:39, richard horne rthorne475@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
John Dennis
Frank S (et al), I have tweaked a setting in the shop so that should anybody follow al link to a book which is out of stock it will display the text "Currently Unavailable". John
On 8 July 2015 at 18:36, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
rthorne475
John, if no more are to be had, why not delete it entirely? Richard Horne
From: "John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA]" To: LRRSA Yahoogroup <LRRSA@...> Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015, 9:36 Subject: Re: [LRRSA] LRRSA membership renewals online Thanks Frank S, Indeed it does. It's nice to see it appear first on that search. I will have the description modified in the shop to state :Out of Print" John On 8 July 2015 at 18:04, Frank Savery franksavery@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
John Dennis
Thanks Frank S, Indeed it does. It's nice to see it appear first on that search. I will have the description modified in the shop to state :Out of Print" John
On 8 July 2015 at 18:04, Frank Savery franksavery@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
Frank Savery
Thanx, Bob - Ordered a copy.
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Hi John, It comes up on list of "Other Books" when you go to website from a Google search. Cheers, Frank Savery, Owner, Operator, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer, King Island Tramway, Tasmania Growing old is compulsory . . . growing up is optional Off course I talk to myself, sometimes, you just HAVE to get an expert opinion. On 8/07/2015 5:42 PM, 'Bob McKillop'
rfmckillop@... [LRRSA] wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
Frank Savery
OH No, That's fine, Frank, It was on my "to get" list anyway, just
brought it forward a week or three !
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Cheers, Frank Savery, Owner, Operator, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer, King Island Tramway, Tasmania Growing old is compulsory . . . growing up is optional Off course I talk to myself, sometimes, you just HAVE to get an expert opinion. On 8/07/2015 5:18 PM, Frank Stamford
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
BM
Frank, I think there are a couple of copies at the ARHSnsw Bookshop in Redfern.
Bob
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 July 2015 5:18 PM To: LRRSA@... Subject: Re: [LRRSA] LRRSA membership renewals online
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
John Dennis
Frank (Savery), I surmise you have followed a link from another page, possibly the web site where publications are listed. Climax, a loco resurrected does not appear on the shop site if you do a search, so a direct link is the only way you could have gone to the page. What you didn't notice, because it's a omission, is that under the title the words "In stock" do not appear, as the do for all books available to be ordered. Perhaps I should remove it from the LRRSA web site, or simply add the words "Out of Print" in large letters to the description in the shop, which would help people following old links. John LRRSA Sales Officer in absentia (currently in Mt Isa)
On 8 July 2015 at 17:01, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
Frank Stamford
Hello Frank, The other book you ordered is not yet on its way to you, it was packed today and I intend to take it to the post office tomorrow. If you do not want it let me know. We can cancel your order and refund your money. "Climax a locomotive resurrected" is out of stock and out of print. Sadly, the publishers (not the LRRSA) did not want to hold stock and only printed 500. So the only way of getting that book now is on the second-hand market, unfortunately. Regards, Frank Stamford Acting LRRSA Parcel Packer
On 8/07/2015 5:01 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA]
wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
John Dennis
Frank, the Climax book is sold out. It shouldn't appear on the shop at all. I'm on my phone now, but will take a closer look at the shop shortly John
On 8 Jul 2015 4:50 pm, "Frank Savery franksavery@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
Frank Savery
Hi Guys,
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I, too, have been having all the trouble in the world with the website - the Online Shop part. I want to order a copy of : Climax - a loco resurrected everythings fine until I try to put it in my basket _ when it just won't let me ! In desperation I ordered another book, so I could ADD Climax - a loco resurrected to the order . Again NO GO ! It would not ADD it to the basket. The other book is now on the way to me, but, I'm no closer to getting a copy of Climax - a loco resurrected ??????????????? Cheers, Frank Savery, Owner, Operator, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer, King Island Tramway, Tasmania Growing old is compulsory . . . growing up is optional Off course I talk to myself, sometimes, you just HAVE to get an expert opinion. On 8/07/2015 7:34 AM, Frank Stamford
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
Frank Stamford
No it is not down. It may have been a temporary problem. Regards, Frank
On 7 Jul 2015, at 11:46 pm, "DRB Freeserve yahoo@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...> wrote:
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Re: LRRSA membership renewals online
DRB Freeserve <yahoo@...>
Is the LRRSA web site down please as I cannot connect to it?
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On 07/07/2015 00:23, frank.stamford@... [LRRSA] wrote:
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