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Re: : Puffing Billy Railway Commissioners' Special with Climax locomotive

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

A reminder that bookings are still open for the Puffing Billy Commissioners' Special with the Climax locomotive on 28 March 2015. Bookings close at 5.00pm on Friday 20 March.

Regards,

Frank


Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

John Browning
 

Hi Brian

 

There were a number of Fowler internal combustion locos at sugar mills from 1926 but until 1935 they were all fitted with petrol engines, including the ones at Plane Creek.

Petrol locos at sugar mills go back a long way – to before WW1.

 

The first cane diesel in Australia was Isis Mill’s D1, built by Fowler in 1935.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

John Browning

Brisbane

Australia

 


Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

John,
While not built in Australia, Fowler DM Builders number #18801 built in 1930 and owned by Plane Creek Mill, would also fall into the category of the first internal combustion locomotives in Australia.
 
Brian
Qld. Aust.
 

Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 8:40 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam
 


The three Armstrong Holland 3ft gauge locomotives that went to Somerset Dam were the first diesel locomotives made in Australia (in spite of what has been written elsewhere) and I think our first diesel locomotives. I have heard that they were designed by Felix Caldwell. They had been built in 1930 for Wyangala Dam.

 

Wyangala Dam also had at least two smaller Armstrong Holland locomotives supposedly built in 1930-1.

They resembled Days tractors and they were fitted with engine units from agricultural tractors. I have assumed they were petrol-powered.

One of these at least is thought to have gone to Burrinjuck Dam in 1938, and was still there in recent years. I see that Richard Horne thinks similarly.

 

Mr Boone was situated at MT HALLON.

 

There is a series of Jim Longworth articles In ARHS Bulletin that provide some details of these and other MWS&DB construction locos.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

John Browning

Brisbane

Australia

 

Armstron Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:56 pm (EST) . Posted by:

dopeydimwit

G’day
Back on June 26.2008 Bob McKillop, in a reply to a question about a Burrinjuck Dam hopper wagon said:
“Three Armstrong-Holland rail tractors and hopper
wagons were transferred from the Wyangala Dam site to Burrinjuck for use on
this project. I understand that one of the rail tractors is still at
Burrinjuck, although this may not be currently on public display.”

While researching the construction of Somerset Dam, near Brisbane, I came across a photo of an Armstrong Holland loco in the Queensland Library’s collection that someone has captioned as “Substation, Compressor Plant and Workshop’s 12 ton Diesel Loco …” and dated 8.4.37

While following that trail of that loco I came across a discussion back in 2004 on Railpage where someone suggested that the three Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam went from there to a dam construction “near Brisbane” and were subsequently scrapped.

Can anyone offer some suggestion as to which is the more likely scenario? I’m not sure that anyone would describe the loco in the photo as a “rail tractor’; even before I saw the caption the loco looked like a hefty little beast and not what I would have thought of as a “rail tractor”

Thanks in advance

 

 

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Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

rthorne475
 

My apologies.  Yes, it is Mt Hallon.  Blame my poor eyesight for the error.

Richard Horne



From: "'John Browning' ceo8@... [LRRSA]"
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015, 10:40
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

 
The three Armstrong Holland 3ft gauge locomotives that went to Somerset Dam were the first diesel locomotives made in Australia (in spite of what has been written elsewhere) and I think our first diesel locomotives. I have heard that they were designed by Felix Caldwell. They had been built in 1930 for Wyangala Dam.
 
Wyangala Dam also had at least two smaller Armstrong Holland locomotives supposedly built in 1930-1.
They resembled Days tractors and they were fitted with engine units from agricultural tractors. I have assumed they were petrol-powered.
One of these at least is thought to have gone to Burrinjuck Dam in 1938, and was still there in recent years. I see that Richard Horne thinks similarly.
 
Mr Boone was situated at MT HALLON.
 
There is a series of Jim Longworth articles In ARHS Bulletin that provide some details of these and other MWS&DB construction locos.
 
Cheers
 
John
 
John Browning
Brisbane
Australia
 

Armstron Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:56 pm (EST) . Posted by:

dopeydimwit

G’day
Back on June 26.2008 Bob McKillop, in a reply to a question about a Burrinjuck Dam hopper wagon said:
“Three Armstrong-Holland rail tractors and hopper
wagons were transferred from the Wyangala Dam site to Burrinjuck for use on
this project. I understand that one of the rail tractors is still at
Burrinjuck, although this may not be currently on public display.”

While researching the construction of Somerset Dam, near Brisbane, I came across a photo of an Armstrong Holland loco in the Queensland Library’s collection that someone has captioned as “Substation, Compressor Plant and Workshop’s 12 ton Diesel Loco …” and dated 8.4.37

While following that trail of that loco I came across a discussion back in 2004 on Railpage where someone suggested that the three Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam went from there to a dam construction “near Brisbane” and were subsequently scrapped.

Can anyone offer some suggestion as to which is the more likely scenario? I’m not sure that anyone would describe the loco in the photo as a “rail tractor’; even before I saw the caption the loco looked like a hefty little beast and not what I would have thought of as a “rail tractor”

Thanks in advance
 
 



Re: : Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

Stuart Livesey
 

Thanks for taking the time to clear that up for me John

Stuart


Re: Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

John Browning
 

The three Armstrong Holland 3ft gauge locomotives that went to Somerset Dam were the first diesel locomotives made in Australia (in spite of what has been written elsewhere) and I think our first diesel locomotives. I have heard that they were designed by Felix Caldwell. They had been built in 1930 for Wyangala Dam.

 

Wyangala Dam also had at least two smaller Armstrong Holland locomotives supposedly built in 1930-1.

They resembled Days tractors and they were fitted with engine units from agricultural tractors. I have assumed they were petrol-powered.

One of these at least is thought to have gone to Burrinjuck Dam in 1938, and was still there in recent years. I see that Richard Horne thinks similarly.

 

Mr Boone was situated at MT HALLON.

 

There is a series of Jim Longworth articles In ARHS Bulletin that provide some details of these and other MWS&DB construction locos.

 

Cheers

 

John

 

John Browning

Brisbane

Australia

 

Armstron Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:56 pm (EST) . Posted by:

dopeydimwit

G’day
Back on June 26.2008 Bob McKillop, in a reply to a question about a Burrinjuck Dam hopper wagon said:
“Three Armstrong-Holland rail tractors and hopper
wagons were transferred from the Wyangala Dam site to Burrinjuck for use on
this project. I understand that one of the rail tractors is still at
Burrinjuck, although this may not be currently on public display.”

While researching the construction of Somerset Dam, near Brisbane, I came across a photo of an Armstrong Holland loco in the Queensland Library’s collection that someone has captioned as “Substation, Compressor Plant and Workshop’s 12 ton Diesel Loco …” and dated 8.4.37

While following that trail of that loco I came across a discussion back in 2004 on Railpage where someone suggested that the three Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam went from there to a dam construction “near Brisbane” and were subsequently scrapped.

Can anyone offer some suggestion as to which is the more likely scenario? I’m not sure that anyone would describe the loco in the photo as a “rail tractor’; even before I saw the caption the loco looked like a hefty little beast and not what I would have thought of as a “rail tractor”

Thanks in advance

 

 


Re: Armstron Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

rthorne475
 

I have a note (not now sure where from) that the three 3 ft gauge locos were named DULCE, JACK and ARCHIE and passed in 1935 to Stanley River Works Board, Somerset Dam construction, with DULCE sold on in 1949 to Mr Boone, a sawmiller at Mt Hatton.  Not used and scrapped.

Apparently there were also a number of Fordson-engined 0-4-0PM locos used at Wyangala, at least one of which went to NSW WC&IC Upper Burrinjuck Dam construction in 1937-38 and then in 1957 to NSW SEC Burrinjuck No.1 Power Station.  It is said to be preserved at the Burrinjuck Dam visitor centre.

Very happy to be corrected, receive confirmation or additional information.

Richard Horne



From: "copytext@... [LRRSA]"
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Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015, 7:56
Subject: [LRRSA] Armstron Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

 
G’day
Back on June 26.2008 Bob McKillop, in a reply to a question about a Burrinjuck Dam hopper wagon said:
 “Three Armstrong-Holland rail tractors and hopper
wagons were transferred from the Wyangala Dam site to Burrinjuck for use on
this project. I understand that one of the rail tractors is still at
Burrinjuck, although this may not be currently on public display.”

While researching the construction of Somerset Dam, near Brisbane, I came across a photo of an Armstrong Holland loco in the Queensland Library’s collection that someone has captioned as “Substation, Compressor Plant and Workshop’s 12 ton Diesel Loco …” and dated 8.4.37

While following that trail of that loco I came across a discussion back in 2004 on Railpage where someone suggested that the three Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam went from there to a dam construction “near Brisbane” and were subsequently scrapped.

Can anyone offer some suggestion as to which is the more likely scenario? I’m not sure that anyone would describe the loco in the photo as a “rail tractor’; even before I saw the caption the loco looked like a hefty little beast and not what I would have thought of as a “rail tractor”

Thanks in advance



Armstron Holland locos from Wyangala Dam

Stuart Livesey
 

G’day

Back on June 26.2008 Bob McKillop, in a reply to a question about a Burrinjuck Dam hopper wagon said:

 “Three Armstrong-Holland rail tractors and hopper
wagons were transferred from the Wyangala Dam site to Burrinjuck for use on
this project. I understand that one of the rail tractors is still at
Burrinjuck, although this may not be currently on public display.”


While researching the construction of Somerset Dam, near Brisbane, I came across a photo of an Armstrong Holland loco in the Queensland Library’s collection that someone has captioned as “Substation, Compressor Plant and Workshop’s 12 ton Diesel Loco …” and dated 8.4.37


While following that trail of that loco I came across a discussion back in 2004 on Railpage where someone suggested that the three Armstrong Holland locos from Wyangala Dam went from there to a dam construction “near Brisbane” and were subsequently scrapped.


Can anyone offer some suggestion as to which is the more likely scenario? I’m not sure that anyone would describe the loco in the photo as a “rail tractor’; even before I saw the caption the loco looked like a hefty little beast and not what I would have thought of as a “rail tractor”


Thanks in advance


Java sugar steam in August

Roderick Smith
 

IIRC, I posted about this tour when it was first advertised.
As a previous traveller with PTG (Spain and Cuba) I have been alerted to a discount being offered by the organiser for the land content for Australians who are making their own way to Java (start in Jakarta, finish in Surabaya). PTG is slightly more upmarket than other operators, as it caters mainly for UK citizens. This tour is covering charters on the Ambarawa (tourist) and Cepu (forestry) lines which other operators are not covering this year. I have covered all of the attractions over two earlier tours to Java, and have other plans for this year. Each year, the amount of steam operation on mill lines dwindles. As well as exotic loco types, many mills have antique Dutch steam machinery. Vivid-green scenery (with volcanoes, rice paddies, canefields and buffalo) and interesting food add to the experience. Having spent my early railway-enthusiast years chasing canefield steam in Queensland, I have always enjoyed Java as a place where scenes long-vanished from Queensland are still available today. See www.ptg.co.uk/rail-and-natural-wonders-of-java.
Contact Ray direct, at <ray.schofield@ntlworld.com>

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: : RE: Canungra Lahey Nicklin

Petan
 

Sorry but I have discovered a problem with my earlier post regarding Reuben and Jane Nicklin’s daughter Alice who survived the 28 February 1890 sinking of RMS Quetta. Her age at the shipwreck was 19. The Trove also lists her siblings’ ages and correctly refers to Butler Bros warehouse which was the family business in Adelaide St Brisbane http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/printArticlePdf/3515878/3?print=n  
Unfortunately I misread the ancestry.com.au link when I wrote the 19 year old ship wreck survivor (Alice) married and had 2 children and died on 1892 in Sunnyside.  It was her grandmother Alica who died in 1892 http://www.chapelhill.homeip.net/FamilyHistory/Photos/Pimpama_Uniting-Gold_Coast/ 
The ancestry.com.au link for Reuben’s wife Jane does not list her daughter Alice and mis-spells the family name of Lahey although I would have thought these entries were done by family who would have known how to spell that name http://records.ancestry.com.au/jane_lahy_records.ashx?pid=45863421   
Cheers
Peter Cokley
 



Re: : Re: Canungra Lahey Nicklin

Petan
 

I sent this via yahoogroups email last Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:45 PM but still not appeared so trying via the website instead.


My message;   well spotted Chris as his Landsborough electorate was in the general region. Cheers Peter Cokley


From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]  Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 2:41 PM To: LRRSA@... Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Canungra Lahey Nicklin

Was the Nicklin Way from Caloundra to Mooloolaba named after that Premier? I hated it because of all the traffic lights but my wife insisted on going to Mooloolabah beach when we were staying at Golden Beach (Caloundra). Regards, CS 


Re: Steam on the Lens Volume II - Walhalla Railway Construction

John Dennis
 

Sorry Folks, looks like I broke the link. Try this one:

On 12 March 2015 at 15:57, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:

Hello All,

The LRRSA Shop has unearthed new copies of the fabulous book "Steam on the Lens, Volume II", subtitled Walhalla Railway Construction - The Photographs of Wilf Henty

This book presents a remarkable series of excellent photographs taken during the six year construction period of the Walhalla railway. With one photograph per page, printed as duotones, you can see bridges under construction, temporary construction camps, interesting trackwork, locomotive 1A gradually changing as various modifications were made to it, and much else. These images present a unique story, there is no other book to compare with this.The photographer was Wilf Henty, the Pay Clerk during the construction of the railway.

The book was published in 2002 and has been out of stock for a long time. We are retaining the original selling price: $A37.00 [$33.30 to LRRSA members] plus postage

Go to the web site http://lrrsa.org.au/Nlr_Pubs.htm#Steam_on_the_Lens from where you can click on the link to buy from the online shop.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer



Steam on the Lens Volume II - Walhalla Railway Construction

John Dennis
 

Hello All,

The LRRSA Shop has unearthed new copies of the fabulous book "Steam on the Lens, Volume II", subtitled Walhalla Railway Construction - The Photographs of Wilf Henty

This book presents a remarkable series of excellent photographs taken during the six year construction period of the Walhalla railway. With one photograph per page, printed as duotones, you can see bridges under construction, temporary construction camps, interesting trackwork, locomotive 1A gradually changing as various modifications were made to it, and much else. These images present a unique story, there is no other book to compare with this.The photographer was Wilf Henty, the Pay Clerk during the construction of the railway.

The book was published in 2002 and has been out of stock for a long time. We are retaining the original selling price: $A37.00 [$33.30 to LRRSA members] plus postage

Go to the web site http://lrrsa.org.au/Nlr_Pubs.htm#Steam_on_the_Lens from where you can click on the link to buy from the online shop.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer


Re: Canungra Lahey Nicklin

Petan
 

Hi Chris,

 

Well spotted Chris as his Landsborough electorate was in the general region.

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 2:41 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Canungra Lahey Nicklin


Was the Nicklin Way from Caloundra to Mooloolaba named after that Premier? I hated it because of all the traffic lights but my wife inisted on going to Mooloolabah beach when we were staying at Golden Beach (Caloundra).

Regards,

CS


Re: Canungra Lahey Nicklin

Chris Stratton
 

Was the Nicklin Way from Caloundra to Mooloolaba named after that Premier? I hated it because of all the traffic lights but my wife inisted on going to Mooloolabah beach when we were staying at Golden Beach (Caloundra).

Regards,
CS



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Found a bit of interesting family history for the Canungra tramway families that reached right to a QLD premier. This refers to the Nicklin family mentioned on P.6 of Morgan, R. K. and Stamford, F. “Lahey's Canungra Tramway”, LRRRA, 2000 revised edition.


The business names used by the Lahey family to operate their Canungra sawmill and their other mills at Beaudesert and Widgee near Hill View, as well as their Brisbane and Townsville outlets, changed several times. The business names include Lahey Brothers in the early stages followed by Lahey Bros & Nicklin c1895. Reuben Nicklin had married Jane Lahey and their son William joined the Lahey brothers in the timber enterprises. The next change was to Laheys Limited from 1 February 1908. The Queenslander 16NOV1895 p. 948 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article21638094  The Brisbane Courier 1FEB1908 p. 5 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19528141 The Brisbane Courier 21June1899 p. 3 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3695998

 

Reuben and Jane Nicklin drowned 28 February 1890 when RMS Quetta was wrecked on the Far North Queensland coast killing 134 of the 292 people on board. Their daughter Alice (sic) survived the wreck. Probate revealed Reuben Nicklin, of Brisbane as a merchant worth £23,635 1s 6d and executor was J. W. Lahey, of South Brisbane, saw-mill proprietor. Interestingly Alicia (sic) married Francis Lahey and had 2 children. She died on 1892 in Sunnyside, two years after the ship wreck. One of Reuben and Jane Nicklin’s sons was George Francis Nicklin whose son was Sir George Francis Reuben (Frank) Nicklin (1895-1978), Premier of Queensland from 1957 to 1968. (http://www.yourbrisbanepastandpresent.com/2011/09/queen-alexandra-home-former-coorparoo.html http://records.ancestry.com.au/reuben_nicklin_records.ashx?pid=38297198 http://records.ancestry.com.au/jane_lahy_records.ashx?pid=45863421 http://records.ancestry.com.au/alicia_lahy_records.ashx?pid=28539558 accessed 10MARCH2015) (The Queenslander 26JULY1890 p.160 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article20284698 )   (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=ME18900304.2.12 accessed 10MARCH2015)


Cheers

Peter Cokley




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Canungra Lahey Nicklin

Petan
 

Found a bit of interesting family history for the Canungra tramway families that reached right to a QLD premier. This refers to the Nicklin family mentioned on P.6 of Morgan, R. K. and Stamford, F. “Lahey's Canungra Tramway”, LRRRA, 2000 revised edition.


The business names used by the Lahey family to operate their Canungra sawmill and their other mills at Beaudesert and Widgee near Hill View, as well as their Brisbane and Townsville outlets, changed several times. The business names include Lahey Brothers in the early stages followed by Lahey Bros & Nicklin c1895. Reuben Nicklin had married Jane Lahey and their son William joined the Lahey brothers in the timber enterprises. The next change was to Laheys Limited from 1 February 1908. The Queenslander 16NOV1895 p. 948 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article21638094  The Brisbane Courier 1FEB1908 p. 5 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article19528141 The Brisbane Courier 21June1899 p. 3 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3695998

 

Reuben and Jane Nicklin drowned 28 February 1890 when RMS Quetta was wrecked on the Far North Queensland coast killing 134 of the 292 people on board. Their daughter Alice (sic) survived the wreck. Probate revealed Reuben Nicklin, of Brisbane as a merchant worth £23,635 1s 6d and executor was J. W. Lahey, of South Brisbane, saw-mill proprietor. Interestingly Alicia (sic) married Francis Lahey and had 2 children. She died on 1892 in Sunnyside, two years after the ship wreck. One of Reuben and Jane Nicklin’s sons was George Francis Nicklin whose son was Sir George Francis Reuben (Frank) Nicklin (1895-1978), Premier of Queensland from 1957 to 1968. (http://www.yourbrisbanepastandpresent.com/2011/09/queen-alexandra-home-former-coorparoo.html http://records.ancestry.com.au/reuben_nicklin_records.ashx?pid=38297198 http://records.ancestry.com.au/jane_lahy_records.ashx?pid=45863421 http://records.ancestry.com.au/alicia_lahy_records.ashx?pid=28539558 accessed 10MARCH2015) (The Queenslander 26JULY1890 p.160 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article20284698 )   (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=ME18900304.2.12 accessed 10MARCH2015)


Cheers

Peter Cokley


Benowa Sugar mill 1887

Petan
 

This 1887 Trove details the sugar mill and tramway items for auction.  Robert Muir and his eldest son Peter drowned in flood waters near Yatala on Monday 24 January 1887.


Cheers

Peter Cokley


24 Sep 1887 - Classified Advertising



Off-topic; Welsh Highland Heritage Railway

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
This is a bit off-topic - sorry.
 
Whenever I can I try to help out at the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog, North Wales.
 
 
We also have a rather good little Facebook page at: https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
 
At present we have 1987 likes and are trying to get 2000. I'm not a Facebook user, but if you are, please can you poke, like or whatever it is you do on Facebook?
 
Many thanks,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt


Anatomy of a Narrow Gauge Baldwin

John Dennis
 

Hello All,

The LRRSA Shop has just taken delivery of stock of Peter Manning's new book in his "Anatomy" series, The Anatomy of a Narrow Gauge Baldwin. The book is subtitled "The many lives of the Tramway da Cantareira #2 steam locomotive" and features Baldwin No. 37399, a 2 ft gauge 2-4-0 built for the tramway in the state of Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Like the previous volumes covering the North East Dundas and Darjeeling Garratts, the book has drawings of components and assemblies, all drawn to Peter's high standard. This book also has a significant amount of historical information supplied by Nicholas Burman. There are 20 prototype photographs to complement Peter's 150 drawings.

The book has been published in the UK, and has been printed on high quality, heavy A4 paper, and is well worth the $60 cost ($54 for members of the society), plus postage. Of course, members can purchase postage free at the Melbourne LRRSA Entertainment meetings; the next meeting will be Thursday April 9 at our usual venue in Ashburton.

Check it out here:
from where you can click on the link to purchase at the online shop.

John Dennis
LRRSA Sales Officer


Re: : Balwyn Wildlife Sanctuary train Vic & QLD

Petan
 


Hi Folks, found more about the start up date of Natureland Zoo at Kirra South Coast QLD. It used the amusement park train previously operated at the Balwyn Wildlife Sanctuary in Melbourne, which was owned and operated by Bill Maughan. 

The newspaper clipping gives some background on this plus the Jack Evans swimming pool at Snapper Rocks. Some may have been there as well https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwVUd6LTNTa05nRlU/edit 
 
Cheers
Peter Cokley

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