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Re: : Cobdogla Museum update

sncs@...
 

Hi Denis, 

On the back of having to demolish the water tank, the museum is having a shocking run.
Surely the heritage value, and income the museum brings to the area must be recognised by government, both local and state?

I wish you all the best luck with achieving a positive outcome, and will happily sign the petition.

Regards, 

Scott





Coolangatta Station Photos

Kevin Sewell
 

OK, probably not what you might have been expecting, but contains the three elements required for the above to be true - passengers, train, and Coolangatta!

These are the two slides I have (my Dad took) of the little train at Coolangatta beach. As you can see, it is a little kid's dream, but an enthusiast's scorn. Needless to say I was the little kid!! In fact, I am the kid "driving" the train. 
These photos were taken 29/08/1964, so as you can see, the Coolangatta train operated concurrently with the railway at the Sanctuary. I have had a bit of a fiddle with the colour and brightness balance, but haven't tried to clean up the mould on the slides. They are now over 50 years old and I'm not brave enough to get to rough with them.
The third photo is taken from Kirra Hill lookout at the same(ish) time. You can see the train on the beachfront in the near distance, about where the surf club is now.
I have also scanned a series of my Dad's slides of the Sanctuary railway, dated earlier that month as well as some I took some 15 years later. They'll be in the next batch.


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Cheers,
Kevin

I’ve reached an age where my train of thought often leaves the station without me.


Off-topic; even more photos on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
More recent history from the Ffestiniog Railway; this time from April 2013 when the cosmetically restored George England loco 'Princess' was displayed at Paddington Station in London.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt


Re: Off-topic. Photos of the Ffestiniog Railway on Flickr

B.Rumary
 

On 27/01/2015 22:10, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
The Launceston Railway (http://www.launcestonsr.co.uk/) is building a diesel electric railcar. Please visit:
 
Hope this helps?

Thanks - that certainly looks like the "thing" in Michael's photos.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: : RE: Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

jimlongworth1952
 

Peter


Would u mind e-mailing me privately? If so, jimlongw1952@...


Cheers

Jim


Re: Off-topic. Photos of the Ffestiniog Railway on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Greetings,
 
As I understand it, the powered bogie-thingie is based on equipment from the former Royal Mail Post Office Railway under London.
 
The Launceston Railway (http://www.launcestonsr.co.uk/) is building a diesel electric railcar. Please visit:
 
Hope this helps?
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt

 
 

In a message dated 27/01/2015 21:50:16 GMT Standard Time, LRRSA@... writes:
 

On 26/01/2015 21:49, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Dear all,
 
I have uploaded another collection of photographs to Flickr showing the recent history of the FR.
 
The images are from May 2010 and show the Quirks & Curiosities gala, Lyd's first fire, the C2, vertical boilered locos, Britomart, a Landrover, a Model A Ford and even a lifeboat etc.
 
 
Cheers,

Very interesting. But what is that strange machine that appears in photos 105, 1378, 1482 & 1525? It appears to be some sort of power bogie with cables attached and is hauling an open bogie wagon with a lot of people in it.

--
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: Off-topic. Photos of the Ffestiniog Railway on Flickr

B.Rumary
 

On 26/01/2015 21:49, chapmanmchapman@... [LRRSA] wrote:
Dear all,
 
I have uploaded another collection of photographs to Flickr showing the recent history of the FR.
 
The images are from May 2010 and show the Quirks & Curiosities gala, Lyd's first fire, the C2, vertical boilered locos, Britomart, a Landrover, a Model A Ford and even a lifeboat etc.
 
 
Cheers,

Very interesting. But what is that strange machine that appears in photos 105, 1378, 1482 & 1525? It appears to be some sort of power bogie with cables attached and is hauling an open bogie wagon with a lot of people in it.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Cobdogla Museum update

denis.wasley
 

Uncertain Future For the Museum

Following the gas leak incident in May 2012, SA Water issued a DO NOT RUN order for the Humphrey Pump pending investigations into the cause of the leak and the design and costing of remediation works.

A preliminary assessment conducted by SA Water estimated that significant expenditure is required to bring the Pump and Museum to an acceptable standard. Following an initial assessment, SA Water indicated it would be unable to commit to the capital upgrade required for the Pump and associated infrastructure or to subsidise the ongoing operation of the Museum.

This preliminary estimate of the costs associated with decommissioning the Pump and ensuring that the Museum is safe for use are in the range of $215,000-$300,000.

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and the Barmera National Trust subsequently appointed a sub committee which prepared a submission to SA Water outlining the history of the museum and the necessity of SA Water continuing funding to the Museum.

In addition, letters were written to the C.E.O of SA Water, Mr Ringham, and to Minister I. Hunter asking that this decision be reversed.

Minister Hunter replied that the decision stands, although SA Water is prepared to consider transferring the assets to another party on the basis that they accept responsibility for ongoing maintenance and operation of the Pump and Museum.

The sub committee considers that the cost estimates given by SA Water are too vague and a request to them to give a break down of the estimates has so far been unanswered. There is no indication from SA Water at this stage what works were covered in the estimate.

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust have prepared a Petition to Parliament with the following request.

“The following petitioners request that your Honourable House will urge the State Government to take immediate action to have SA Water continue to own and support the Cobdogla Irrigation and Steam Museum whilst allocating the necessary funds to facilitate the ongoing operation of the Humphrey Pump and Museum and to enable current and future generations to appreciate the State's water heritage.”

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust are seeking your support in their endeavour to have SA Water continue their previous funding arrangements for the Cobdogla Irrigation & Steam Museum.

If you are able to support the Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust by signing our petition, and also having your friends, family etc do so, then please reply promptly to this communication. A petition will be sent to you, which must then be returned by hand delivery or by mail (P.O. Box 535 Cobdogla S.A. 5346) by Friday, February 27th. 2015.

Thanking you for your support,

The Cobdogla Steam Friends Society Inc.

The Barmera Branch of the National Trust.

Replies to: enquiries@...

or Denis 04 1788 3353


Cobdogla Museum update

denis.wasley
 

Uncertain Future For the Museum

Following the gas leak incident in May 2012, SA Water issued a DO NOT RUN order for the Humphrey Pump pending investigations into the cause of the leak and the design and costing of remediation works.

A preliminary assessment conducted by SA Water estimated that significant expenditure is required to bring the Pump and Museum to an acceptable standard. Following an initial assessment, SA Water indicated it would be unable to commit to the capital upgrade required for the Pump and associated infrastructure or to subsidise the ongoing operation of the Museum.

This preliminary estimate of the costs associated with decommissioning the Pump and ensuring that the Museum is safe for use are in the range of $215,000-$300,000.

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and the Barmera National Trust subsequently appointed a sub committee which prepared a submission to SA Water outlining the history of the museum and the necessity of SA Water continuing funding to the Museum.

In addition, letters were written to the C.E.O of SA Water, Mr Ringham, and to Minister I. Hunter asking that this decision be reversed.

Minister Hunter replied that the decision stands, although SA Water is prepared to consider transferring the assets to another party on the basis that they accept responsibility for ongoing maintenance and operation of the Pump and Museum.

The sub committee considers that the cost estimates given by SA Water are too vague and a request to them to give a break down of the estimates has so far been unanswered. There is no indication from SA Water at this stage what works were covered in the estimate.

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust have prepared a Petition to Parliament with the following request.

“The following petitioners request that your Honourable House will urge the State Government to take immediate action to have SA Water continue to own and support the Cobdogla Irrigation and Steam Museum whilst allocating the necessary funds to facilitate the ongoing operation of the Humphrey Pump and Museum and to enable current and future generations to appreciate the State's water heritage.”

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust are seeking your support in their endeavour to have SA Water continue their previous funding arrangements for the Cobdogla Irrigation & Steam Museum.

If you are able to support the Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust by signing our petition, and also having your friends, family etc do so, then please reply promptly to this communication. A petition will be sent to you, which must then be returned by hand delivery or by mail (P.O. Box 535 Cobdogla S.A. 5346) by Friday, February 27th. 2015.

Thanking you for your support,

The Cobdogla Steam Friends Society Inc.

The Barmera Branch of the National Trust.

Replies to: enquiries@...

or Denis 04 1788 3353


Cobdogla Museum update

denis.wasley
 

Uncertain Future For the Museum

Following the gas leak incident in May 2012, SA Water issued a DO NOT RUN order for the Humphrey Pump pending investigations into the cause of the leak and the design and costing of remediation works.

A preliminary assessment conducted by SA Water estimated that significant expenditure is required to bring the Pump and Museum to an acceptable standard. Following an initial assessment, SA Water indicated it would be unable to commit to the capital upgrade required for the Pump and associated infrastructure or to subsidise the ongoing operation of the Museum.

This preliminary estimate of the costs associated with decommissioning the Pump and ensuring that the Museum is safe for use are in the range of $215,000-$300,000.

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and the Barmera National Trust subsequently appointed a sub committee which prepared a submission to SA Water outlining the history of the museum and the necessity of SA Water continuing funding to the Museum.

In addition, letters were written to the C.E.O of SA Water, Mr Ringham, and to Minister I. Hunter asking that this decision be reversed.

Minister Hunter replied that the decision stands, although SA Water is prepared to consider transferring the assets to another party on the basis that they accept responsibility for ongoing maintenance and operation of the Pump and Museum.

The sub committee considers that the cost estimates given by SA Water are too vague and a request to them to give a break down of the estimates has so far been unanswered. There is no indication from SA Water at this stage what works were covered in the estimate.

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust have prepared a Petition to Parliament with the following request.

“The following petitioners request that your Honourable House will urge the State Government to take immediate action to have SA Water continue to own and support the Cobdogla Irrigation and Steam Museum whilst allocating the necessary funds to facilitate the ongoing operation of the Humphrey Pump and Museum and to enable current and future generations to appreciate the State's water heritage.”

The Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust are seeking your support in their endeavour to have SA Water continue their previous funding arrangements for the Cobdogla Irrigation & Steam Museum.

If you are able to support the Cobdogla Steam Friends and Barmera National Trust by signing our petition, and also having your friends, family etc do so, then please reply promptly to this communication. A petition will be sent to you, which must then be returned by hand delivery or by mail (P.O. Box 535 Cobdogla S.A. 5346) by Friday, February 27th. 2015.

Thanking you for your support,

The Cobdogla Steam Friends Society Inc.

The Barmera Branch of the National Trust.

Replies to: enquiries@...

or Denis 04 1788 3353


Re: Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

Petan
 

Hi Jim and group,

I am analysing archaeological remnants of railways /tramways/ amusement park train rides around the QLD South Coast. Brian Webber’s “Exploring Queensland’s Railways - South from Brisbane” has some non QR mentioned so I started checking these as well as my original topic of the QR Tweed Heads line remnants. The local Facebook groups also alerted me to amusement park rides such as the Coolangatta Beach operation and the Natureland Zoo who used the items from the Balwyn Wildlife Sanctuary train Vic. This LRRSA yahoogroup has helped me cross check some of the Facebook claims which I suspected were more myth than fact such as the claim that the Coolangatta Beach material went to the Currumbin Sanctuary.

 

This LRRSA yahoogroup has also helped with the tramway research so I was able to write my articles covering the Benowa Sugar tramway, The Neranwood Timber Tramway, the Main Beach 1920s road construction tramway and the Buccan Ballast Pit quarry tramway as well as make a start on the Canungra QR and Lahey's tramway remnants. Clues from LRRSA yahoogroup folk help me find remnants of the late 1890s /early 1900s horse drawn quarry tramway that went from Point Danger through Tweed Heads business area to a wharf on the river. Thanks to help from a member of this LRRSA yahoogroup, I located on the week end two wooden pile remnants at the river end of Florence St Tweed Heads, right where the quarry loading and general shipping “Crane Wharf” was noted on council cadastral maps. The cadastral maps recently made freely available from the QLD government have been a bonus so we are cross checking these with other evidence.  

 

Eventually the articles will go on our family http://www.petan.net/railway/sthcoast.htm

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015 5:25 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re:: Re: : Re: [LRRSA] Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

Hi Peter What are u analysing? Is there a particular question u are trying to answer? Cheers Jim Longworth


Off-topic; even more photos on Flickr...

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Back in March 2010 I was very fortunate to visit India and the Darjeeling Himalayan Railway.
 
Sometime ago I started to upload a collection of images from th DHR to Flickr. This remains an unfinished job...
 
However, I've now finished uploading an album from Tindharia Works on the DHR. Lots of interesting stuff here including machine tools, B Class locos and health & safety Indian style!
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt


Off-topic. Photos of the Ffestiniog Railway on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
I have uploaded another collection of photographs to Flickr showing the recent history of the FR.
 
The images are from May 2010 and show the Quirks & Curiosities gala, Lyd's first fire, the C2, vertical boilered locos, Britomart, a Landrover, a Model A Ford and even a lifeboat etc.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt


Re: : Re: : Re: Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

jimlongworth1952
 

Hi Peter


What are u analysing? Is there a particular question u are trying to answer?


Cheers

Jim Longworth


Off-topic; more photos on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Greetings from the UK once again.
 
I have uploaded another set of images to Flickr; this time from May 2008 when the Hunslet 'Jerry M' visited the Ffestiniog Railway in North Wales.
 
Take a look if you're interested.
 
 
Cheers,
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt


More photos on Flickr

Michael C.
 

Dear all,
 
Greetings from the UK once again; I have uploaded another collection of images to Flickr.
 
The images are from the former 2' gauge Abbey Light Railway in February 2013.
 
Unfortunately the railway has now closed, the stock sold and the railway demolished. As someone who has done a bit of volunteer track-laying, to watch the track being taken up was heart-breaking.
 
I never thought I would ever see a narrow gauge demolition train.
 
Let the demise of the Abbey Light Railway be a lesson to us; if you own a small railway and there is no trust ownership or properly drawn up legal company, if the owner dies the railway is doomed.
 
 
The next collection will be more cheery!
 
Michael Chapman

Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly
Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt


Broken Hill to be listed on the National Heritage list.

Iain
 

The ABC Rep[orts that “After a 10-year push, Broken Hill in New South Wales is poised to become the first whole Australian city to be added to the country's National Heritage List”.

 

Well done to all involved in this listing it is well deserved as it meets most of the criteria at a very high level. Those who attended the ICOMOS and TICCIH Conference there were impressed with the heritage values of the place.

 

Cheers

 

Dr Iain Stuart

 

JCIS Consultants

P.O. Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Australia

 

(02) 97010191

Iain_Stuart@...

 


Re: : Re: : Re: Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

Petan
 

Thanks Kev for all the extra background material!!! Now time to analyse.

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Re: : Re: Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

Kevin Sewell
 

I've been thinking about this during today. While I am sure they were concurrent operations, I doubt it was by very much. Currumbin started in 1964 and I can pin down to about early 1965 the last time i remember going on the Coolangatta one. That was the last time our family stayed in the grotty flats we used to think was a palace in Coolangatta. Several years later in 1968 when the last of my siblings had appeared on the scene, we started quite a few years of staying at Palm Beach in a house. By then the train at Coolangatta had gone.

I couldn't guess the gauge, but likely about 2' with relatively heavy-duty rails and "occasional" welded-on steel sleepers(!!) with no ballast, sat just on the sand. It was a very chunky "steam" outline - at least to a 7 year old - petrol powered engine with about 3 or 4 carriages and went around a circuit about 100m ... sorry, 100 yards!!! ... diameter. As I said previously, it was not unlike the train at Bronte Beach. As has been suggested, it was where the surf club is now.
Like the photos of Currumbin, my father took some photos of us on the train at Coolangatta - a ride was a COMPULSORY inclusion in our holidays up there. The slides will be somewhere in the hundreds and hundreds of slides he left me. Like that Currumbin photo, I'll have to dig around to see what i can uncover, and scan it.
It is of course possible that some track material was sold to Currumbin for use by them, but it was certainly not a case of packing it up lock stock and barrel and shipping it all for reinstalling at Currumbin. For one thing the loco at Currumbin was fair dinkum steam from the start not a "pretend" steam engine powered by a petrol engine. I have no idea where any other "bits" ended up.

It is also a bit odd that in a time on the Gold Coast when "tourist attractions" were very much more limited than today, I don't ever recall going to the mini-zoo at Kirra. We sometimes swam at Kirra so it's not like we kept only to Coolangatta, but I'm sure we never went to Natureland Zoo. I VERY vaguely recall the train at Carrara. That was the old ski gardens wasn't it?

Some great memories of annual holidays at Coolagatta as a small kid, but most are probably outside the remit of this Group. 
Unfortunately, one of my most treasured memories is one that I am unsure whether I remember, or that it was told to me so many times that it has become an implanted memory. As a toddler, I was "playing up" so my dad took me for a walk. We ended up at Tweed Heads  station, where a train (goods I think) was soon to depart. We walked to the engine and chatted to the driver, who invited us onto the footplate for the ride back to Coolangatta. With great awe and fear I shook my head and said "No". What I wouldn't give for that opportunity today!!!!!! I "think" I can still recall standing looking up into the cab.


On Monday, January 19, 2015, yahoomail@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:
 

Thanks Kevin for the confirmation the train at Coolangatta beach and that at the Currumbin Sanctuary were there at the same time as that was the factual data I was missing. I assumed the track gauges were different but had no proof as I did not know the Coolangatta gauge, so I was cautious in case the Currumbin Sanctuary used some of the second hand Coolangatta track. 

Perhaps I should have explained myself better as I really did not want to appear to be ultra-critical or patronising about the Coolangatta Facebook claims so I was somewhat circumspect. That Facebook via the Allan Meteyard who was mentioned in it has provided QR images from his grandmother who was the last Coolangatta QR station mistress, so again I was being discreet. 

I knew in the back of my head they were not the same loco as the Currumbin Sanctuary loco was based on the QR CC17 2-8-2 loco whose General Arrangement K1 Drawing is dated 23 April 1952 so not the loco in the 1951 (sic) Facebook image. The Currumbin Sanctuary loco’s 1960s build is well documented so I knew they were different locos. But I forgot to write that as well last night. In fact Kevin, you have previously provided a very detailed colour of the Currumbin Sanctuary 2-8-2 loco Light Railway Research Society Australia
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The closure of the Coolangatta Beach one brings the total of South Coast semi-permanent amusement train rides that folded sometime around the 1960s to at least three. The other two were the 1954 installed Natureland Zoo train at Kirra from Balwyn Wildlife Sanctuary and the Pleasure Island amusement 2ft gauge train which operated at Carrara from 1959 till closure in 1962. After Pleasure Island closed the locomotive and carriages went to Caribbean Gardens at Scoresby as documented by LRRSA. The Kirra Narureland Zoo train ride is not remembered by my relatives who lived nearby at Coolangatta in the 1960s. They visited the zoo many times and easily recall other parts of it but no train.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2015 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

NO. The train at Coolagatta beach and that at Currumbin were there at the same time and were very different in engineering. That at Currumbin was/is a "miniature railway" - that at Coolagatta a "toy train ride". Both immensely fun fun for a 5 year old I can assure you (from wonderful personal experience!!), but not the same.
The one at Coolangatta was similar in size, scale, and engineering to the train still at Bronte Beach in Sydney. Posted by: Kevin Sewell  



--
Cheers,
Kevin

I’ve reached an age where my train of thought often leaves the station without me.



Re: : Re: Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

Petan
 

Thanks Kevin for the confirmation the train at Coolangatta beach and that at the Currumbin Sanctuary were there at the same time as that was the factual data I was missing. I assumed the track gauges were different but had no proof as I did not know the Coolangatta gauge, so I was cautious in case the Currumbin Sanctuary used some of the second hand Coolangatta track. 

Perhaps I should have explained myself better as I really did not want to appear to be ultra-critical or patronising about the Coolangatta Facebook claims so I was somewhat circumspect. That Facebook via the Allan Meteyard who was mentioned in it has provided QR images from his grandmother who was the last Coolangatta QR station mistress, so again I was being discreet. 

I knew in the back of my head they were not the same loco as the Currumbin Sanctuary loco was based on the QR CC17 2-8-2 loco whose General Arrangement K1 Drawing is dated 23 April 1952 so not the loco in the 1951 (sic) Facebook image. The Currumbin Sanctuary loco’s 1960s build is well documented so I knew they were different locos. But I forgot to write that as well last night. In fact Kevin, you have previously provided a very detailed colour of the Currumbin Sanctuary 2-8-2 loco Light Railway Research Society Australia
 
The closure of the Coolangatta Beach one brings the total of South Coast semi-permanent amusement train rides that folded sometime around the 1960s to at least three. The other two were the 1954 installed Natureland Zoo train at Kirra from Balwyn Wildlife Sanctuary and the Pleasure Island amusement 2ft gauge train which operated at Carrara from 1959 till closure in 1962. After Pleasure Island closed the locomotive and carriages went to Caribbean Gardens at Scoresby as documented by LRRSA. The Kirra Narureland Zoo train ride is not remembered by my relatives who lived nearby at Coolangatta in the 1960s. They visited the zoo many times and easily recall other parts of it but no train.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] 
Sent: Monday, 19 January 2015 6:49 AM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Currumbin Bird Sanctuary source

NO. The train at Coolagatta beach and that at Currumbin were there at the same time and were very different in engineering. That at Currumbin was/is a "miniature railway" - that at Coolagatta a "toy train ride". Both immensely fun fun for a 5 year old I can assure you (from wonderful personal experience!!), but not the same.
The one at Coolangatta was similar in size, scale, and engineering to the train still at Bronte Beach in Sydney. Posted by: Kevin Sewell  

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