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Moving States
Iain
Stuart,
I would recommend the FB web site Lost Wollongong which is a mine of information on Illawarra’s history.
It’s a pit it wasn’t last month otherwise I could have shown you an 1840 hotel one of the earliest in Wollongong and the Illawarra the excavation of which I was directing.
Cheers
Dr Iain Stuart
JCIS Consultants P.O. Box 2397 Burwood North NSW 2134 Australia
(02) 97010191 Iain_Stuart@...
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Re: Moving to NSW
Bill Fornshell
Hi Chris,
I found a free download for the DH Lawrence book "Kangaroo" at this link:
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/l/lawrence/dh/l41k/
I will first look for the "colliery description" and then I might try an read the complete book.
Bill Fornshell
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From: "'Chris Stratton' gm4201@... [LRRSA]" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 6:29pm To: LRRSA@... Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re: Moving to NSW I’ve never read Kangaroo.
Regards, Chris
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
I thought it was 'Torestin' which sounded romantic and full of dark forests, but should have been called 'Toworkin', as it was in such poor condition. It's years since I read the book, so am I imagining it?
Regards,
Richard
From: "'Chris Stratton' gm4201@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...>
He stayed at a house named Wyewurk which is still there.
Regards, Chris
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
DH Lawrence stayed at Thirroul and situated part of his novel ‘Kangaroo’ there. He has a nice description of a nearby colliery jetty and the steam loco that ran on it.
John
John Browning Brisbane Australia
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Re: : Advert of the Week - Further Notes / Information
Peter Knife
Hello All,
I’d just like to clarify one portion of the South Australian career of HC 271/1884. Smith and Timms were indeed the contractors for the Yeelanna-Minnipa and Cummins-Kimba railways, but the Yeelanna-Mount Hope line was built by George Baxter. Baxter bought the HC from Smith and Timms for this construction project.
During research for my book on the Eyre Peninsula lines, Arnold Lockyer sent me extracts from the SA boiler records relating to this locomotive:
· 8 June 1914 – Baxter advised Boiler Inspector that he had purchased the loco from Smith and Timms (it had been in use by him at Yeelanna since April that year). · 5 Oct 1914 – Inspector’s report noted that construction of the Mount Hope line had just been completed, and Baxter was attempting to sell the loco to the SAR (the sale never occurred). · 18 Oct 1920 – Loco boiler inspected at Port Lincoln and copy of the report forwarded to the Manager, Wallaroo Mt Lyell Fertilisers Ltd, Wallaroo. · 23 Feb 1921 – Wallaroo Mt Lyell applied for registration of the boiler. · 8 Jul 1926 – Inspected, “in good condition…only used as standby engine”. · Undated later note – “O.C. for sale” (out of commission).
There was no record of HC 271/1884 having been registered to Smith and Timms in South Australia prior to its sale by them to George Baxter. S&T purchased two W class 2-6-0 locos (already at Port Lincoln) from the SAR for their Eyre Peninsula projects. Perhaps they had purchased the HC from Tasmania with the intention of using it at Yeelanna, but the W class were more suitable given the lengths of line involved in their contracts?
Cheers, Peter Knife
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Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 11:03 PM To: LRRSA@... Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re:: Advert of the Week - Further Notes / Information
Greetings, Folks.
I concur with Martin’s conclusion on the 6 coupled saddle-tanker for sale at Mt. Lyell in 1896.
I provide a few comments on some of the details of the 2 engines concerned:
HC 271/1884 came to the TGR as a new loco. and was employed on the construction and then operations on the Parattah and Oatlands Tramway as No. 7B. Following a re-arranging of TGR’s classification system, it became 2D c.1889. The P&O Tramway was rebuilt as a railway (Oatlands Branch Line) and D2 was sold to Mt. Lyell in 1895 for construction purposes. It remained on that system as No. 1 until sold to Hendrickson and Knutson in 1902 for the Stanley Breakwater Construction. It must have laid idle there after that because it wasn’t until c.1913 that it went to Smith and Timms for the Yeelanora – Mt. Hope Line construction in S.A. before going to Wallaroo in 1921. I don’t have any records of it working with Tas. Hardwoods Coy. but HC 380/1891, which worked in the Circular Head Timber industry, often gets mixed up with this loco.
SS 2030/1870 was originally a 0-4-0 ST and 4’6” ga. and was purchased from the Mersey and Deloraine Tramway by TGR in 1882, converted to 3’6” 0-6-0ST and numbered 6B. It predominantly spent the next 6 odd years on construction work but joined HC 271 on the P&O Tramway in 1889 numbered 1D. It was no. 2 on the Mt. Lyell system.
The other Baldwin locos. were not saddle tanks but simply 0-6-0T. No. 3 was withdrawn in c.1922, 4 in c.1954 and 5 in c.1938. No. 4 wasn’t scrapped until the 1960s.
It is interesting how a little advert. in an old newspaper which, when circulated around for comments, can raise other matters that also need resolving. I refer to Martin’s list from 'Steam Locomotives And Technologies' and the reference to Baldwin 7111/1884 being a construction loco. on the Mt. Lyell. I acknowledge that this loco. is referred to as such in Lou Rae’s West Coast Railway history books but readers will also know that 7111 is also “Kia-Ora”, which currently is on display at Bassendean, W.A. There is strong evidence that 7111 was already in or on its way to W.A. when it was supposed to be on My. Lyell. Baldwin 7108/1884 was at a loose end at Zeehan at the time and it is quite probable that 7108 was hired to the Mt. Lyell contractors from 1894 to 1895. There are two photos. of a Baldwin on the Mt. Lyell:- one shows it on the Quarter Mile Bridge and the other in the Teepookana yard. In the latter, it is in the distance and facing forward and no matter what I have tried to magnify the smokebox to see if there is a large number 2 (its former Melbourne Harbour Trust number and which it carried all the way to West Aus.), I could not determine anything!
Maybe somebody can sort that little quandary out!
Cheers,
Tony C.
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All,
I've detailed below various notes / information (and sources) relating to HC271 in particular, but also a little more relating to Mt. Lyell locomotives in general. I hope this adds constructively to the debate on this advert.
Firstly, Ron Redman's book on HC (The Railway Foundry, Leeds) gives the following information for HC271:- Customer: Tasmanian Government Railways Type: 0-6-0T Cylinders: OC 9 x 15 Wheels: 2' 6" Gauge: 3' 6" Date Ex-works: 1/11/1884 Number: No: 7B
I then checked the HC Works List (by Clive Hardy), which gave significantly different information, which I won't repeat here to prevent confusion.
Fortunately, in Ron Redman's book 'A Pictorial Album Of HC NG Locomotives', on p. 12 is a photograph of HC271, to which the following text applies:- A 'one off' design built 1884, works number 271, Tasmanian Government Railway No: 7B, a 3' 6" gauge 0-6-0 tank with 9" x 5" (sic, presumably a typo for 15") cylinders. By its size we must assume this modest machine, recorded as only weighing 15 ton 3 cwt gross when it left Leeds for the docks, was intended for railway construction work. Its subsequent history is mainly on this form of employment, on the Mount Lyall (sic) Mining & Railway Co., as their No: 1 in 1895. It was named CARBINE and, after a stint with Tasmanian Hardwoods Ltd., in the early years of this century it travelled to South Australia, passed through the hands of Smith & Timms contractors, and ended its days in the 1920's with the Wallaroo Phosphate Co., to be finally scrapped in 1927.
I've scanned the photograph from the book (at 300 dpi), and uploaded it into an Album named 'Hudswell Locomotives'.
I also have a note taken from the 'Steam Locomotives And Technologies' Yahoo Group (at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/steam_tech/conversations/topics/12628 and message history [by Geoff Lambert, David Flecker]) noting:-
Mount Lyell, 3'6'' gauge
Baldwin 7111/1884 0-4-0 ST contractors engine returned to Victoria 1895 1. "Carbine' Hudswell Clarke 271/1884 0-6-0 ST sold 1902 (named after the 1890 winner of the Melbourne Cup) 2. "Malvolio" Sharpe Stewart 2030/1870 0-4-0 T sold 1923 (Malvolio was the 1891 winner of the Melbourne Cup) 3. Baldwin 15174/1897 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 4. Baldwin 151815/1898 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 5. Baldwin 151816/1898 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 6. NZGR 92/1909 2-6-4T Purchased 1951, scrapped 1959 ex TGR DS-4 7. NZGR 61/1909 2-6-4T Purchased 1951, scrapped 1959 ex TGR DS-1
There are clearly some typos in this list (e.g. the HC is definitely an 0-6-0T, and Tony notes the SS as an 0-6-0ST). Hence, as the original advert is dated 1896 and specifically states "6 wheel-coupled saddle tank", I'd suggest the SS is the more viable candidate for the advert.
Best regards,
Martin
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Re: Moving to NSW
Chris Stratton
I’ve never read Kangaroo.
Regards, Chris
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Sent: Sunday, 12 October 2014 8:32 AM To: LRRSA@... Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Moving to NSW
I thought it was 'Torestin' which sounded romantic and full of dark forests, but should have been called 'Toworkin', as it was in such poor condition. It's years since I read the book, so am I imagining it?
Regards,
Richard
From: "'Chris Stratton' gm4201@... [LRRSA]" <LRRSA@...>
He stayed at a house named Wyewurk which is still there.
Regards, Chris
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
DH Lawrence stayed at Thirroul and situated part of his novel ‘Kangaroo’ there. He has a nice description of a nearby colliery jetty and the steam loco that ran on it.
John
John Browning Brisbane Australia
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Re: Moving to NSW
rthorne475
I thought it was 'Torestin' which sounded romantic and full of dark forests, but should have been called 'Toworkin', as it was in such poor condition. It's years since I read the book, so am I imagining it? Regards, Richard
From: "'Chris Stratton' gm4201@... [LRRSA]" To: LRRSA@... Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014, 13:01 Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re: Moving to NSW He stayed at a house named Wyewurk which is still there. Regards, Chris From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 10:06 PM To: LRRSA@... Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Moving to NSW DH Lawrence stayed at Thirroul and situated part of his novel ‘Kangaroo’ there. He has a nice description of a nearby colliery jetty and the steam loco that ran on it. John John Browning Brisbane Australia
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Re: : Advert of the Week - Further Notes / Information
Tony Coen
Greetings, Folks.
I concur with Martin's conclusion on the 6 coupled saddle-tanker for sale at Mt. Lyell in 1896. I provide a few comments on some of the details of the 2 engines concerned: HC 271/1884 came to the TGR as a new loco. and was employed on the construction and then operations on the Parattah and Oatlands Tramway as No. 7B. Following a re-arranging of TGR's classification system, it became 2D c.1889. The P&O Tramway was rebuilt as a railway (Oatlands Branch Line) and D2 was sold to Mt. Lyell in 1895 for construction purposes. It remained on that system as No. 1 until sold to Hendrickson and Knutson in 1902 for the Stanley Breakwater Construction. It must have laid idle there after that because it wasn't until c.1913 that it went to Smith and Timms for the Yeelanora - Mt. Hope Line construction in S.A. before going to Wallaroo in 1921. I don't have any records of it working with Tas. Hardwoods Coy. but HC 380/1891, which worked in the Circular Head Timber industry, often gets mixed up with this loco. SS 2030/1870 was originally a 0-4-0 ST and 4'6" ga. and was purchased from the Mersey and Deloraine Tramway by TGR in 1882, converted to 3'6" 0-6-0ST and numbered 6B. It predominantly spent the next 6 odd years on construction work but joined HC 271 on the P&O Tramway in 1889 numbered 1D. It was no. 2 on the Mt. Lyell system. The other Baldwin locos. were not saddle tanks but simply 0-6-0T. No. 3 was withdrawn in c.1922, 4 in c.1954 and 5 in c.1938. No. 4 wasn't scrapped until the 1960s. It is interesting how a little advert. in an old newspaper which, when circulated around for comments, can raise other matters that also need resolving. I refer to Martin's list from 'Steam Locomotives And Technologies' and the reference to Baldwin 7111/1884 being a construction loco. on the Mt. Lyell. I acknowledge that this loco. is referred to as such in Lou Rae's West Coast Railway history books but readers will also know that 7111 is also "Kia-Ora", which currently is on display at Bassendean, W.A. There is strong evidence that 7111 was already in or on its way to W.A. when it was supposed to be on My. Lyell. Baldwin 7108/1884 was at a loose end at Zeehan at the time and it is quite probable that 7108 was hired to the Mt. Lyell contractors from 1894 to 1895. There are two photos. of a Baldwin on the Mt. Lyell:- one shows it on the Quarter Mile Bridge and the other in the Teepookana yard. In the latter, it is in the distance and facing forward and no matter what I have tried to magnify the smokebox to see if there is a large number 2 (its former Melbourne Harbour Trust number and which it carried all the way to West Aus.), I could not determine anything! Maybe somebody can sort that little quandary out! Cheers, Tony C. _____ From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 6:28 AM To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: [LRRSA] Re:: Advert of the Week - Further Notes / Information All, I've detailed below various notes / information (and sources) relating to HC271 in particular, but also a little more relating to Mt. Lyell locomotives in general. I hope this adds constructively to the debate on this advert. Firstly, Ron Redman's book on HC (The Railway Foundry, Leeds) gives the following information for HC271:- Customer: Tasmanian Government Railways Type: 0-6-0T Cylinders: OC 9 x 15 Wheels: 2' 6" Gauge: 3' 6" Date Ex-works: 1/11/1884 Number: No: 7B I then checked the HC Works List (by Clive Hardy), which gave significantly different information, which I won't repeat here to prevent confusion. Fortunately, in Ron Redman's book 'A Pictorial Album Of HC NG Locomotives', on p. 12 is a photograph of HC271, to which the following text applies:- A 'one off' design built 1884, works number 271, Tasmanian Government Railway No: 7B, a 3' 6" gauge 0-6-0 tank with 9" x 5" (sic, presumably a typo for 15") cylinders. By its size we must assume this modest machine, recorded as only weighing 15 ton 3 cwt gross when it left Leeds for the docks, was intended for railway construction work. Its subsequent history is mainly on this form of employment, on the Mount Lyall (sic) Mining & Railway Co., as their No: 1 in 1895. It was named CARBINE and, after a stint with Tasmanian Hardwoods Ltd., in the early years of this century it travelled to South Australia, passed through the hands of Smith & Timms contractors, and ended its days in the 1920's with the Wallaroo Phosphate Co., to be finally scrapped in 1927. I've scanned the photograph from the book (at 300 dpi), and uploaded it into an Album named 'Hudswell Locomotives'. I also have a note taken from the 'Steam Locomotives And Technologies' Yahoo Group (at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/steam_tech/conversations/topics/12628 and message history [by Geoff Lambert, David Flecker]) noting:- Mount Lyell, 3'6'' gauge Baldwin 7111/1884 0-4-0 ST contractors engine returned to Victoria 1895 1. "Carbine' Hudswell Clarke 271/1884 0-6-0 ST sold 1902 (named after the 1890 winner of the Melbourne Cup) 2. "Malvolio" Sharpe Stewart 2030/1870 0-4-0 T sold 1923 (Malvolio was the 1891 winner of the Melbourne Cup) 3. Baldwin 15174/1897 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 4. Baldwin 151815/1898 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 5. Baldwin 151816/1898 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 6. NZGR 92/1909 2-6-4T Purchased 1951, scrapped 1959 ex TGR DS-4 7. NZGR 61/1909 2-6-4T Purchased 1951, scrapped 1959 ex TGR DS-1 There are clearly some typos in this list (e.g. the HC is definitely an 0-6-0T, and Tony notes the SS as an 0-6-0ST). Hence, as the original advert is dated 1896 and specifically states "6 wheel-coupled saddle tank", I'd suggest the SS is the more viable candidate for the advert. Best regards, Martin Martin Best _____ size=1 width="100%" noshade color="#9d9da1" align=center> No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8356 - Release Date: 10/09/14
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Re: Moving to NSW
Chris Stratton
He stayed at a house named Wyewurk which is still there.
Regards, Chris
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Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 10:06 PM To: LRRSA@... Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Moving to NSW
DH Lawrence stayed at Thirroul and situated part of his novel ‘Kangaroo’ there. He has a nice description of a nearby colliery jetty and the steam loco that ran on it.
John
John Browning Brisbane Australia
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Re: Moving to NSW
DH Lawrence stayed at Thirroul and situated part of his novel ‘Kangaroo’ there. He has a nice description of a nearby colliery jetty and the steam loco that ran on it.
John
John Browning Brisbane Australia
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Re: Moving to NSW
Chris Stratton
You can walk the IH&LC line from the Kanahooka smelter as far as Fowlers Rd
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as the easement still exists, roadworks and housing development have obliterated just about everything west of the main line at Dapto. There was a cutting on the east side of Shone Ave (recently renamed Brooks Reach Rd) until fairly recently but a new housing development is now on top of it. There is supposed to be a cutting still visible on the section from Fowlers Rd to Elizabeth Point but I haven't been to look, I'd better go soon as there is more housing development in the area. Regards, Chris
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From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 2:17 PM To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Moving to NSW On 11/10/2014 13:42, 'Chris Stratton' gm4201@optusnet.com.au [LRRSA] wrote: Welcome to the Illawarra Stuart, it's a great place to live. I live into look. How much remains of the system around Dapto, that seems to get very little publicity but ran for quite some distance? ------------------------------------ Posted by: Eddie Oliver <eoliver@logitel.net.au> ------------------------------------ Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management" ------------------------------------ Yahoo7 Groups Links
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Re: Moving to NSW
Eddie Oliver
On 11/10/2014 13:42, 'Chris Stratton' gm4201@optusnet.com.au [LRRSA] wrote:
Welcome to the Illawarra Stuart, it's a great place to live. I live inHow much remains of the system around Dapto, that seems to get very little publicity but ran for quite some distance?
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Re: Moving to NSW
Chris Stratton
Welcome to the Illawarra Stuart, it's a great place to live. I live in
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Farmborough Heights as I'm not rich enough to live in the northern suburbs like Thirroul. Very little remains of most of the colliery lines, though it is easy to follow the Mount Keira line if you know where to look. Regards, Chris
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From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] Sent: Saturday, 11 October 2014 12:27 PM To: lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: [LRRSA] Moving to NSW I have recently relocated to Thirroul ,NSW from Melbourne. It's a great area from a light railways perspective, with a plethora of former coal lines in the area, though nearly all have vanished under encroaching suburbia. Having done some field work in Victoria, mostly on the post bushfire surveys in recent years, I am happy to be another pair of eyes and ears in the bush for anyone looking for assistance. For some reason, I find myself deputised to be the 'someone young and fit to climb that incline' a role i am happy to continue. Stuart Thyer ------------------------------------ Posted by: Stuey <stuart.thyer@gmail.com> ------------------------------------ Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management" ------------------------------------ Yahoo7 Groups Links
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Moving to NSW
Stuart Thyer
I have recently relocated to Thirroul ,NSW from Melbourne. It's a great area from a light railways perspective, with a plethora of former coal lines in the area, though nearly all have vanished under encroaching suburbia. Having done some field work in Victoria, mostly on the post bushfire surveys in recent years, I am happy to be another pair of eyes and ears in the bush for anyone looking for assistance.
For some reason, I find myself deputised to be the 'someone young and fit to climb that incline' a role i am happy to continue. Stuart Thyer
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Online Queensland maps
John Cleverdon <johnc@...>
Hello all,
For those who are interested, Queensland topographic maps can now be found online at: http://qtopo.dnrm.qld.gov.au/Mobile/ and saved as PDF or other formats. Zoom in to your area of interest, then from "Click here to", choose "Generate a printable map" to create a PDF/other format map. You can zoom in to a scale of around 1:20,000 maximum (similar to the Brisway street directory). These maps show cane tramways as well as heavy rail. Outside of built-up areas, cadastral/property boundaries and lot numbers are shown as well. Regards, John --
John Cleverdon Mornington Peninsula, Victoria, Australia John's web page: http://users.cdi.com.au/~johnc/ LinkedIn: http://au.linkedin.com/pub/john-cleverdon/a/a81/2b
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Re: Canungra
Petan
This is a follow up for my material in the current LRRSA Light Rails magazine.
After the closure of the QR Canungra line in 1955, the land from the apex of the former Canungra QR fork line became a Park Reserve with Beaudesert Shire as trustee. This was added to the DJ Smith Memorial Gardens which contains the 1938 erected War Memorial. The DJ Smith land itself was previously in use with a rail transfer line between QR and Lahey’s timber tramway. The following is some of the correspondence from QLD State Archives on this topic. The last image is the map where the Dept of Public Lands marked the land in question in red. QLD State Archives ID 1103280 Correspondence; Closed railway Logan Village/ Canungra.
QR’s receipt of Beaudesert Shire’s application for the land 1956 http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Canungra/Canungra-Park-1956_zps428003f1.jpg.html
Dept of Public Lands 1957 http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Canungra/Canungra-Park-A-1956_zpsca9d687a.jpg.html
Dept of Public Lands 1960. Map refereed to is the following image http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Canungra/Canungra-Park-B-1956_zps92a35864.jpg.html
Map from Dept of Public Lands 1960 http://s311.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/media/Canungra/Canungra-Park-map-1956_zps96332c5f.jpg.html
Cheers Peter Cokley
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Sent: Thursday, 3 July 2014 9:27 PM To: LRRSA@... Subject: [LRRSA] Canungra
Those with Laheys' Canungra Tramway / by Robert K. Morgan ; revised by Frank Stamford [2000 revision] will have noticed the map on P.10 is a puzzle as the DJ Smith Memorial Park on the corner of Christie and Kidston streets has a railway line marked as going through the war memorial structure’s site. I have solved the war memorial structure site puzzle as the Canungra war memorial was unveiled Anzac Day 25APRIL 1938 according to The Courier Mail 9MARCH1938 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/39739008 The tramway was being dismantled in 1933 according to page 19 of that tramway book so the area of the war memorial structure was vacant and available in 1938. Thus one more piece of the Canungra jigsaw slots into place!
The section of the park at the top of the QR turning fork is in the southern end of that park so that section of the memorial park with the toilet block and car park must be after 1955 when the QR line closed.
Cheers Peter Cokley
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Schöma tunnel locomotives in Australia (and elsewhere)
This author is still working on a future LR article writing about Schöma tunnel locomotives that have come to work in this part of the world, principally Australia, but also to near neighbours New Zealand, the Pacific Islands, New Guinea and Indonesia (tunnel locomotives specifically).
I am looking for any photos, any notes, anything on the brief and fleeting visits of these locomotives to hereabouts. Need to check any photos - no matter of any sort of dubious quality, distant shots over fences or at bottoms of holes, and etc. Any sort of publicity documents by either contractors or commissioning customers that might mention or show such. A quick checklist of projects with Schöma locomotives: Australia--Transfield/Bouygues jv (C), Airport Link Construction, Sydney NSW Australia--Leighton/Kumagai jv (C), Perth MetroRail City #2 Project, WA Australia--John Holland Group (C), Melbourne Metropolitan Sewerage Relief Tunnel Project, Victoria. Northern Sewer Project Australia--John Holland Group (C), MMSR Project, South Melbourne replacement sewer. Australia--Theiss Tunnelling (C), City East 132kV Cable Tunnel, Sydney NSW Australia--Theiss Tunnelling (C), Gladstone Narrows Gas Pipeline Tunnel, Qld There may well have been others that have slipped under our radar? PapuaNewGuinea--MDTA jv (C), Ok Tedi Gold and Copper Mine, Mine Drainage Tunnel Alliance New Zealand--Dillingham/Fletcher/llbau jv (C), Manapouri II Hydroelectric Scheme, Second Tailrace Tunnel New Zealand--Fletcher Construction/McConnell Dowell jv (C), Watercare, Oraki Sewer Replacment, Hobson's Bay Tunnel New Zealand--McConnell Dowell (C), North Shore City Council (Auckland region), Rosedale Ocean Outfall Indonesia--Dumez-GFTM International/Impregilo SpA/PT Istaka Karya Sumatera Barat jv (C), Singkarak Hydro Electric Power Project, Pariaman, Padang Schöma Model Types involved include: CHL20G, CHL40G, CHL60G, CFL150DCL, CFL180DCL, CFL200DCL in various guises. Can anybody help along these lines? -PGG- Tasmania - retired
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Re: : Advert of the Week - Further Notes / Information
atev40@...
All,
I've detailed below various notes / information (and sources) relating to HC271 in particular, but also a little more relating to Mt. Lyell locomotives in general. I hope this adds constructively to the debate on this advert.
Firstly, Ron Redman's book on HC (The Railway Foundry, Leeds) gives the following information for HC271:- Customer: Tasmanian Government Railways Type: 0-6-0T Cylinders: OC 9 x 15 Wheels: 2' 6" Gauge: 3' 6" Date Ex-works: 1/11/1884 Number: No: 7B
I then checked the HC Works List (by Clive Hardy), which gave significantly different information, which I won't repeat here to prevent confusion.
Fortunately, in Ron Redman's book 'A Pictorial Album Of HC NG Locomotives', on p. 12 is a photograph of HC271, to which the following text applies:- A 'one off' design built 1884, works number 271, Tasmanian Government Railway No: 7B, a 3' 6" gauge 0-6-0 tank with 9" x 5" (sic, presumably a typo for 15") cylinders. By its size we must assume this modest machine, recorded as only weighing 15 ton 3 cwt gross when it left Leeds for the docks, was intended for railway construction work. Its subsequent history is mainly on this form of employment, on the Mount Lyall (sic) Mining & Railway Co., as their No: 1 in 1895. It was named CARBINE and, after a stint with Tasmanian Hardwoods Ltd., in the early years of this century it travelled to South Australia, passed through the hands of Smith & Timms contractors, and ended its days in the 1920's with the Wallaroo Phosphate Co., to be finally scrapped in 1927.
I've scanned the photograph from the book (at 300 dpi), and uploaded it into an Album named 'Hudswell Locomotives'.
I also have a note taken from the 'Steam Locomotives And Technologies' Yahoo Group (at https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/steam_tech/conversations/topics/12628 and message history [by Geoff Lambert, David Flecker]) noting:-
Mount Lyell, 3'6'' gauge
Baldwin 7111/1884 0-4-0 ST contractors engine returned to Victoria 1895 1. "Carbine' Hudswell Clarke 271/1884 0-6-0 ST sold 1902 (named after the 1890 winner of the Melbourne Cup) 2. "Malvolio" Sharpe Stewart 2030/1870 0-4-0 T sold 1923 (Malvolio was the 1891 winner of the Melbourne Cup) 3. Baldwin 15174/1897 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 4. Baldwin 151815/1898 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 5. Baldwin 151816/1898 0-6-0ST withdrawn 1919 6. NZGR 92/1909 2-6-4T Purchased 1951, scrapped 1959 ex TGR DS-4 7. NZGR 61/1909 2-6-4T Purchased 1951, scrapped 1959 ex TGR DS-1
There are clearly some typos in this list (e.g. the HC is definitely an 0-6-0T, and Tony notes the SS as an 0-6-0ST). Hence, as the original advert is dated 1896 and specifically states "6 wheel-coupled saddle tank", I'd suggest the SS is the more viable candidate for the advert.
Best regards,
Martin
Martin Best
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Re: : Re: Even more photographs from the UK on Flickr
David Axup
Great photos. Thank you.
David R Axup
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Thursday, 9 October 2014 8:57 AM To: LRRSA@... Subject: Re: : Re: [LRRSA] Even more photographs from the UK on Flickr
BTW, I've had a go at making a video too. This is a first for me so feedback is welcome.
This can be seen here:
I've tried to take the viewer of a journey on the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog.
See what you think.
Michael Chapman
In a message dated 08/10/2014 22:50:54 GMT Daylight Time, LRRSA@... writes:
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Re: : Re: Even more photographs from the UK on Flickr
Michael C.
If you're a fan of the Ravenglass & Eskdale, I have another album from
last year here:
Cheers,
Michael Chapman Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
In a message dated 08/10/2014 22:50:54 GMT Daylight Time,
LRRSA@... writes:
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Re: : Re: Even more photographs from the UK on Flickr
Michael C.
BTW, I've had a go at making a video too. This is a first for me so
feedback is welcome.
This can be seen here:
I've tried to take the viewer of a journey on the Welsh Highland Heritage
Railway in Porthmadog.
See what you think.
Michael Chapman
Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
In a message dated 08/10/2014 22:50:54 GMT Daylight Time,
LRRSA@... writes:
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Re: : Re: Even more photographs from the UK on Flickr
Michael C.
No worries.
Off to France next week...
;-)
Michael Chapman
Follow the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway on Facebook at https://www.facebook.com/WHHRly Follow my railway adventures on Flickr at http://tinyurl.com/nlvlnmt
In a message dated 08/10/2014 22:50:54 GMT Daylight Time,
LRRSA@... writes:
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