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Re: LRRSA Promotion!

Ron & Hilary Martin <ronhil@...>
 

Brad

I think one of the problems may be that for many youngsters (and even some
wrinklies) the level of knowledge and experience shown in the pages of the
Journal and at Meetings is rather daunting. You know, almost at the level of
"I found a 14.5 cm dog spike. Allowing for the expected age and
deterioration this was one of the original ones in the track and shows that
an early attempt was made to lay this railway at 2' gauge rather than the
later 2'6" ". Probably a rather ludicrous level, but I reckon that you will
know what I mean.

I believe that the approach to attracting younger people may be a case of
demonstrating a presence at a not too erudite level, and possibly even
having some kind of mentor arrangement , or, in the larger areas, a Junior
Affiliation.

Just my old sixpence worth.

Ron M.

-------Original Message-------

From: BLI BLI
Date: 28/08/2006 7:36:47 AM
To: LRRSA Yahoogroup
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Promotion!

Hi there,
Before setting up this group there was quite
a bit of discussion amongst a few of us regarding how
to promote the LRRSA, especially to younger folk.
While at work yesterday I was thinking about such
(Yeah I was bored) and wondered why there seems to be
no presence at model railway exhibitions.
I can't seem to recall the LRRSA having a stand at
any exhibition, at least not those big ones that I go
to.
Perhaps I may be wrong or perhaps this may well be
limited to Victorian exhibitions.

Just thinking out aloud. :-)

Brad


LRRSA Promotion!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi there,
Before setting up this group there was quite
a bit of discussion amongst a few of us regarding how
to promote the LRRSA, especially to younger folk.
While at work yesterday I was thinking about such
(Yeah I was bored) and wondered why there seems to be
no presence at model railway exhibitions.
I can't seem to recall the LRRSA having a stand at
any exhibition, at least not those big ones that I go
to.
Perhaps I may be wrong or perhaps this may well be
limited to Victorian exhibitions.

Just thinking out aloud. :-)

Brad

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JERONA (The New Fugs)

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi all,
News just in from Rowie that he has seen JERONA
today with her chopped nose for RSU.
His description was almost as flattering as that
once attached to the unmodified CLEM up at Victoria
Mill.

Cheers
Brad

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Rye Limeworks

Colin Harvey
 

David it must be your lucky day. While trawling through a box of State Electicity Commission Records at the Public Record Office yesterday (VPRS 8892/P1, Unit 360), I came across the auction catalogue for the Rye plant. Details of the lots of possible tramway interest are listed below.

Colin


J W Styles & Son auction catalogue: Brick Making and Lime manufacturers Plant at Peninsula Lime & Fertiliser Co., Point Nepean Road, Rye. Auction date 31 March 1941.



Lot 11 : Jim Crow bender

Lot 63 : 4-cylinder Wolseley Tractor, with 24 in gauge flanged steel wheels, roller chain and sprocket drive.

Lot 72 : 24 Steel tippling trucks, 1 cubic yard capacity, with 24 in gauge axles and steel flanged wheels

Lot 73 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might be a rail vehicle]

Lot 74 : Fordson Tractor, incomplete [no indication that this might be a rail vehicle]

Lot 75 : 2 steel end flap trucks, with 24 in gauge flanged wheels.

Lot 76 : 6 tipping trucks, dismantled with 24 in gauge wheels.

Lot 82 : Fordson tractor engine and gear box.

Lot 89 : 1-18-2-0 of 24 lb steel rails, 30-18ft lengths.

Lot 90 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.

Lot 91 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.

Lot 92 : 8 ¼ tons of 24 lb steel rails, 96-18ft lengths.

Lot 93 : 5-11-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 78-24ft lengths.

Lot 94 : 1-2-3-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 32-16ft lengths.

Lot 95 : 5-13-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 88-18ft lengths.

Lot 96 : 3-15-1-20 of 24 lb steel rails, 66-16ft lengths.

Lot 97 : 2-17-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 50-16ft lengths.

Lot 98 : 4-6-0-5 of 24 lb steel rails, 75-16ft 6in lengths.

Lot 99 : 5-4-1-24 of 15 lb steel rails, 156-15ft lengths.

Lot 100 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.

Lot 101 : 1-5-2-24 of 24 lb steel curved rails, 20-18ft lengths.

Lot 102 : 1 ton of 24 lb steel rails, 40-7ft lengths.

Lot 103 : 8-3-2-0 of 15 lb steel rails, 20-10ft lengths.

Lot 104 : 17-7-0-16 of 24 lb steel rails, 162-30ft lengths.

Lot 105 : 3-8-2-8 of 24 lb steel rails, 60-16ft lengths.

Lot 106 : Lot assorted steel rails

Lot 107 : 6 sets 24 gauge steel rail points

Lot 110 : 2000 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in

Lot 111 : 100 - 36in pressed steel sleepers, 24in gauge

Lot 112 : 600 Red Gum sleepers, 4ft x 8in x 3in

Lot 113 : Large quantity assorted Red Gum sleepers

Lot 114 : Lot Fish Plates and Dogs

----- Original Message -----
From: david_axup
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Introduction


G'day All,

As a new member to the group I had better introduced myself. I live
in Melbourne and have had an interest in narrow gauge railways -
life size since I was a little tacker back in the distant past - and
more recently at 1:48 since I started modelling them.

I grew up on the lower end of the Mornington Peninsula in the '40s
and '50s far removed from the railway system but managed to get on
several ARHS trips anyway. A matter of abiding curiosity is the
lime industry on the Peninsula. There were several lime kilns at
the back of Rye one of which still had the remains of a narrow gauge
tramway at the kiln area. Rails and wheels and part of a right of
way which appeared to head towards Port Phillip was all that was
left in the early '50s. All trace of that kiln has now gone. As
the lime was transported to Melbourne and Geelong by small ship it
obviously had to get from the kiln to the sea. I have been
searching for years to see if there is any record of tramways in the
lower Peninsula area without any joy. If anyone has any information
as to their existence I would appreciate it. All I have found is
the record of the tramway that connected the pier at Sorrento to the
ocean beach and which was for passengers.

Cheers,

David Axup


Introductions

Kevin Crosado
 

Hello folks, calling folks

Since we're doing the introduction thing, here's my bit.

I got interested in industrial railways playing with Heislers, O&Ks, Hudswells etc at the Museum of Transport & Technology in Auckland, NZ, as a spotty teenager in the 1970s. Time spent wandering around coal mines in the days when you could do such things was also a major influence, as was buying a house just down the road from the late Peter Hodge. Working for the big(ish) railway for 20 years tended to subdue my enthusiasm somewhat, but I've been a member of LRRSA since the 80s. Since escaping from the rail company at the end of the last millenium I've again become interested in historical research and modelling.

Modelling-wise my main interest is coal mine trams in 1:34 scale, but I also occasionally dabble in 1:43 scale. Unfortunately, being self- employed, spare time for such things generally seems to be in short supply.


________________

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De Selby Research


Re: Another New Member Intro

Toot222
 

Hi Mark
Good to see you on board too.
Steve Chapman

On 8/26/06, Mark K <trainbrain@...> wrote:
G'day All,
Another new member here, my name is Mark Kendrick, I'm a Sydney-sider and
at 21, one of the generation to take over from the current crop of active
researchers when the time comes. I'm mainly a railway modeller using British
O scale and 14mm gauge for 2'gauge but I also volunteer at the Illawarra
Light Railway Museum when I can make the effort of spending more time
travelling than volunteering.

I have a bit of a website going on with photos of various preserved narrow
and industrial railway lines I've visited
www.geocities.com/mark_the_train_brain/index

for the modelling fraternity, I co-moderate the ausnarrowgauge yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausnarrowgauge
which has previously had prototype topics discussed.

Regards,
Mark K
LRRSA membership has been on the to-do list for years!






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Re: Stannary Hills "Falcon" locos

John Browning
 

There is no doubt that the two locomotives were built in 1901.





John



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Another New Member Intro

Mark Trainbrain
 

G'day All,
Another new member here, my name is Mark Kendrick, I'm a Sydney-sider and
at 21, one of the generation to take over from the current crop of active
researchers when the time comes. I'm mainly a railway modeller using British
O scale and 14mm gauge for 2'gauge but I also volunteer at the Illawarra
Light Railway Museum when I can make the effort of spending more time
travelling than volunteering.

I have a bit of a website going on with photos of various preserved narrow
and industrial railway lines I've visited
www.geocities.com/mark_the_train_brain/index

for the modelling fraternity, I co-moderate the ausnarrowgauge yahoo group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ausnarrowgauge
which has previously had prototype topics discussed.

Regards,
Mark K
LRRSA membership has been on the to-do list for years!


Re: Stannary Hills "Falcon" locos

Ron & Hilary Martin <ronhil@...>
 

Hello John

The Brush Falcon Works were rather busy in 1896/1897!

In those years they produced no less than 20 O/F 4-4-0s for the Beira
Railway.

These were from 254 to 273 so that :

1. doesn't leave much room for the Stannary Hills locos
2. Fits in with 292/3 being built at the later date.

Ron M.

-------Original Message-------

From: John Dennis
Date: 24/08/2006 9:41:32 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Stannary Hills "Falcon" locos

I have had some concerns about the build year of these two locomotives
for some time - the builders numbers are 292/293. "Rocky Bluff to
Denmark" and the earlier LRs say they were built in 1897, which always
seemed odd when construction of the tramway wasn't commenced until
1900, with the line opening in 1902. George Bond's ARHS Bulletin
article claims 1902.

The builders plate visible on the side-on view of 293 running on the
tramway quite clearly shows 1901 as the year of construction.

Correspondence received just today from the UK says that 1901 "fits"
very well: Works no 290 and 291 are recorded as being supplied to
North Borneo in 1900, 302 was an electric loco of 1903 so 292 and
293 seem to fit nicely in the sequence.

It's also interesting that an 1896 publication named "Light Railways"
and seen on eBay had a photograph of a loco almost identical to those
delivered to Stannary Hills. Sadly the bid-price became too high for
me. My correspondent did not believe that a loco such as these would
have been built on-spec, which in itself raises questions as to
whether there might have been one (or more) similar locos somewhere in
the world.

All comments gladly accepted...

John


Introduction

David Axup
 

G'day All,

As a new member to the group I had better introduced myself. I live
in Melbourne and have had an interest in narrow gauge railways -
life size since I was a little tacker back in the distant past - and
more recently at 1:48 since I started modelling them.

I grew up on the lower end of the Mornington Peninsula in the '40s
and '50s far removed from the railway system but managed to get on
several ARHS trips anyway. A matter of abiding curiosity is the
lime industry on the Peninsula. There were several lime kilns at
the back of Rye one of which still had the remains of a narrow gauge
tramway at the kiln area. Rails and wheels and part of a right of
way which appeared to head towards Port Phillip was all that was
left in the early '50s. All trace of that kiln has now gone. As
the lime was transported to Melbourne and Geelong by small ship it
obviously had to get from the kiln to the sea. I have been
searching for years to see if there is any record of tramways in the
lower Peninsula area without any joy. If anyone has any information
as to their existence I would appreciate it. All I have found is
the record of the tramway that connected the pier at Sorrento to the
ocean beach and which was for passengers.

Cheers,

David Axup


First Resource Database! (Non Air Hoppers)

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi everyone,
I have just set up our first resource database.

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/database

This one covers existing non-air coal hoppers, locations, owners and
condition.
It would be appreciated if anyone who can add to this list does so.
I have placed two up as a guide but have numerous more to add as
time permits.
Hopefully it will build in to a great reference tool for members. I
shall continually update with newer sightings and reports.

Best wishes
Brad


Re: Databases

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi Bob/everyone,


Brad, your database proposal sounds a good idea.
Starting them in the group
would provide the opportunity for members to make
contributions and when a
specific database looks to be in good shape, then
perhaps we could look at
transferring it to the LRRSA website.>>>>
I shall get started on setting some up. I will be
including a date column for the latest report so older
ones (of the same wagon) can be deleted from time to
time and thus leave us with a constantly up to date
listing which cn be used on the website if Frank sees
fit.
I am thinking of databases initially covering:

1) Exisiting non-air coal hoppers. (coding, former
owner, current owner, location, status and date)

2) Preserved industrial locomotives excluding
sugarcane (I already have sugarcane compiled and will
place on the group when updated) with all the same
columns as above along with builders info.

3) Historical locations of interest to the industrial
railway fan.

I would welcome other suggestions regarding topics
we could cover in a database.


Private owner non-air hopper wagons still in
existence sounds like a good place to start. David
Sheedy, a key player in the proposed SMR museum at
East Greta Junction, rang me yesterday and our
conversation covered the non-air hoppers owned by the
HVTC,>>>>>

David Sheedy dosent have an email address does he?

including the one
that went to Sandgate
Cemetery and has since been moved.>>>>
From memory to Pelaw Main behind the platform with
part of Telarah station on top.

You will also recall the photo panel we
ran in LR 172. Perhaps this might lead to something
similar on non-air hopper wagons on static
display.>>>

Certainly. Anything that will benefit the magazine.


Regards
Brad

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Re: New Member Introduction

The Bickfords <womloc4@...>
 

Better intro myself too.

Been a member of LRRSA since 1973/74 having been interested in all things 2'0" gauge since early high school days.
Mostly the interest was/is for modelling. Started in HOn2.5 but later moved up to 16mm scale on 32mm track (1:19 scale) in the garden, with live steam.
My current garden line will be 10years old later this year. Edited the club news letter Rails in the Garden for 8 years until the start of 2006

Was Treasurer then Secretary/Treasurer of the NSW Division for quite a few years, stepping down 2-3 years ago.
Particular interests include the Burrinjuck Tramway in NSW plus the Zeehan & NE Dundas Tramway (plus the various other small 2'0" gauge lines in Tassie).
Most recent interest has been in the Stannary Hills and Irvinebank lines in North Queensland. I blame this last interest on John Dennis and his recent research into the lines.

Mike Bickford
Berowra & Nalya Tramway
Sydney, Australia
www.ritginc.org


Re: NSW Division Sydney meeting

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

It was announced that the NSW Division will be conducting an
industrial
railway tour of the former Glenrock colliery railway on Sunday 5
November.
John Shoebridge will lead the tour, commencing from Civic station. I
have
details for a notice in LR.>>>>>
Hi Bob,
Have long wanted to go on one of the tours following this line.
I look forward to the notice in LR as I can think of a couple of
others who may also wish to join it.

Brad


Stannary Hills "Falcon" locos

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

I have had some concerns about the build year of these two locomotives
for some time - the builders numbers are 292/293. "Rocky Bluff to
Denmark" and the earlier LRs say they were built in 1897, which always
seemed odd when construction of the tramway wasn't commenced until
1900, with the line opening in 1902. George Bond's ARHS Bulletin
article claims 1902.

The builders plate visible on the side-on view of 293 running on the
tramway quite clearly shows 1901 as the year of construction.

Correspondence received just today from the UK says that 1901 "fits"
very well: Works no 290 and 291 are recorded as being supplied to
North Borneo in 1900, 302 was an electric loco of 1903 so 292 and
293 seem to fit nicely in the sequence.

It's also interesting that an 1896 publication named "Light Railways"
and seen on eBay had a photograph of a loco almost identical to those
delivered to Stannary Hills. Sadly the bid-price became too high for
me. My correspondent did not believe that a loco such as these would
have been built on-spec, which in itself raises questions as to
whether there might have been one (or more) similar locos somewhere in
the world.

All comments gladly accepted...

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@...
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


New Member Introduction

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

As requested, a brief "bio":

I've been modelling narrow gauge since 1969 or so, and my railway
interests have, over the years, narrowed in focus so they now almost
exclusively fit the "Light Railways" category. This to the extent
that I now drive from Melbourne to Queensland every year or two, and
do not point my camera at a train until the rails are only 2' apart
:-)

I have been researching the Stannary Hills and Irvinebank Tramways for
a couple of years with a view to building an On30 layout, this
research has extended to a trip to the area (a long way from home).
Thus far I've built just a couple of wagons, so a long way to go.
Always happy to engage people in discussions about these tramways.

I have also begun writing a column in Narrow Gauge Downunder dealing
with "obscure and little known" tramways. Happy to receive suggestions
for future columns (or comments about previous ones). I'm also
involved in organising next Easter's Narrow Gauge Convention (in
Melbourne) to which you are all, naturally, invited.

Hmm - not so brief...

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@...
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


HO Shay on Ebay!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi,
Found during an Ebay search.
May be of interest to anyone, like me, who is
fascinated by these unusual kettles.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/28-TONNE-SHAY-TWO-TRUCK-LOCOMOTIVE_W0QQitemZ220019219623QQihZ012QQcategoryZ484QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Regards
Brad

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Welcome New Members!

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi everyone,
I am happy to report that we have had 12 new members join
the group in the last 12 hours.
I invite all our new friends to introduce themselves and tell us a
little about what your railway interests are.

Welcome aboard.

Brad Peadon


NSW Division Sydney meeting

BM
 

An interesting meeting of the LRRSA NSW Division at Burwood last night. Ian
McNeil made a presentation on the Logging Tramways of the Dorrigo Plateau -
essentially a revisit of his major article in LR 100 (gee that was in April
1988: how time flies). The Division's new AV projector was proudly put into
service, initially showing Ian's extensive collection of photographs from
the Briggs family and other sources, only a fraction of which appeared in
LR.

Others also took advantage of the new technology. Mark Langdon had brought
along photographs of Clarence station during the construction of the 'Ten
Tunnels' for the Great Zig Zag deviation, with lots of contractors tramways
and the commencement of the Wolgan Valley Railway. The junction of the
latter line was subsequently moved to Newnes when Henry Deane became
involved. Mark indicated that he is planning a LR article on the
construction of the Wolgan Valley Line and also wants to return to his
research on early Australian locomotive builders now that his Zig Zag book
has been published.

Bob Emson then used the projector to demonstrate his new software, Photo
Xplorer, for cataloguing digital images. It is most impressive and I have
signed up for a copy. I shall report on progress is due course.

It was announced that the NSW Division will be conducting an industrial
railway tour of the former Glenrock colliery railway on Sunday 5 November.
John Shoebridge will lead the tour, commencing from Civic station. I have
details for a notice in LR.

I advised the meeting of the death of Graeme Breydon - and also the PBR
Decauville Birthday event on 17 September - while Bill Laidlaw announced the
passing of Harry Wright, who was a regular contributor to LR over the years.
His funeral will be tomorrow in Newcastle.

Bob McKillop

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