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Fiji - Priority Issues Identified

Brad P
 

Priority issues identified

Felix Chaudhary
Wednesday, March 13, 2013

TWO of the biggest issues facing growers in the sugar industry, harvesting and transportation, have been given top priority by the Fiji Sugar Corporation.

This was the word from FSC representative Mahend Prasad to sugarcane growers attending industry consultations at Tagitagi in Tavua on Monday.

"We have identified a number of ways to address these issues and we are working hard to ensure that costs to growers are reduced so that cane farming becomes more profitable and people stay committed to the industry," he said.

Mr Prasad said some initiatives being put in place included the demarcation of priority production zones, increasing harvesting mechanisation, regulation of cane lorries, development of the rail system, establishment of trans-loading stations and access road development programs.

"Through increased mechanisation, harvesting costs can be reduced," he said.

"This will become more apparent after we conduct surveys to ascertain the actual cost of operating mechanical harvesters in Fiji.

"With the introduction of more machinery, farmers will have to ensure there are access ways for these machines onto and off the field. In terms of transportation, the railway network has been given priority because it is the cheapest mode of transportation.

"In the past, 70 per cent of all cane in Tagitagi was transported via rail. This has been reduced to 30 per cent."



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Re: Mainbeach Burleigh Tramway

Petan
 

The originals of the South Coast maps I am using arrived at around 66 MB in size and I have dropped them down to less then 3 MB using photoshop. The three I used for the extracts yesterday were from a mixed group with one extracted from the 66 MB version and the others from the 3MB version. A good eye can tell the difference. If someone needs a version of a high quality, they had better contact me privately so I use the better version.

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Re: Mainbeach Burleigh Tramway

Petan
 

Last time I mentioned this Southport Burleigh Heads tramway I supplied a 1938 map to show the route of the road built in the mid-1920s with the aid of a tramway, including a steam locomotive.

I now have a 1929 map which would be more accurate as it is closer to the construction period, as well as a 1917 map, to show the before and after situation. Links provided below.

This 2 ft / 610 mm gauge tramway hauled quarried rock from Harper's Wharf for the building of the first road from the 1925 built Jubilee Bridge at Main Beach to Burleigh Heads via Elston, renamed Surfers Paradise in 1933.

Harper's Wharf was located near the junction of the Nerang River and Little Tallebudgera Creek in Broadbeach, marked as R57 on both the 1929 and 1917 maps. Harper's name is on his property which adjoins the wharf reserve on the southern side on the 1917 map but that was changed to a new owner on the 1929 map. Harper died 1896 and was buried in what later became the Cascades Gardens picnic area on Little Tallebudgera Creek.

A comparison of the 1917 and 1929 maps will show road changes, some of which were due to the Southport Burleigh tramway. It also will show the changes to the Southport Spit in that period.

All this material is just in time for any railway historians who may visit the Gold Coast over Easter.

The 1929 map, shows the route of the 1920s Southport Burleigh main road and therefore the route of the construction tramway https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwRzBxRHduX0xKOGc/edit

The 1917 map, shows the roads before the building of the 1920s Southport Burleigh main road https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwakJMWC1ZVTRwVzA/edit

Benowa Central Sugar Mill tramway from the 1917 map, which shows its proximity to the Burleigh Southport tramway https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdzltUm0wcWNjcGc/edit

Any pencil marks were on the map before it was sealed in plastic years ago in the QSA.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter" <yahoomail@> wrote:
Those who read John Browning's "The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway",may be interested in 3 Sept 1938 maps of the area from Southport to Broadbeach. It shows the Pacific Highway route as it was in that era which may be possibly close to the original route that was constructed with the tramway.

John's article is in Light Railways,issue 213 June 2010.This is available for purchase as a downloadable PDF from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/index.html

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Tweed shire tramway

Petan
 

Mr William Pagan, [Acting] Chief Engineer [Civil] QR at that time
http://www.anbg.gov.au/biography/pagan-william.html proposed in 1901 a site for
the QR Tweed Heads Station plus a never acted upon proposal to link the QR Tweed
Heads Railway Station to the Tweed Heads main river shipping wharf.

The blueprint portion with the proposed wharf line is
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/All%20Coolangatta%20Tweed%20Lin\;
e%20images/Tweed-1901-proposed-wharfQR_zps074f2746.jpg This wharf was located
north of the present Tweed Public Hospital. This river wharf already had a rail
connection, gauge unknown, to the Point Danger quarry which supplied material
for the river training walls. The quarry line is marked on the working plan and
section https://docs.google.com/file/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwN1JfUFRCTDh2b1U/edit
The quarry line data is also at http://www.tweed.nsw.gov.au/PlanDevBuild/pdfs/Tweed_Thematic_History_2004.pdf which I mentioned last year and glad to notice that link also appeared in the recent "Light Railways".
Pagan's letter [QLD State archives A/8937] does not mention the wharf line gauge and is dated 3 December 1901. Since we are not sure of the gauge of the wharf line from either the quarry or the QGR station, we can not be sure if the proposed QR operation was meant to be a light tramway or not.
Cheers
Peter Cokley


Light Rail Pictures

Paul
 

Hello all,

 

I have uploaded a couple more pictures of light rail subjects to my Flickr account recently.  A few old mining skips and a couple of old scans from some slides and negatives. See;

http://www.flickr.com/photos/malleeroute/sets/72157627955582887/detail/

 

Any additional information on the skips especially would be greatly appreciated.  Hope there is something of interest.

 

Regards,

 

Paul.


Re: North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

Thanks John
 

Brian
Qld. Aust.

 


From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Friday, 15 March 2013 5:46 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

Brian,

Christian Cenac's book has passenger and wagon counts which match those of the book put out by the "Tasmanian Historical Research Association", whoever they are, and whatever that book is.

The LRRSA web page with the rolling stock counts you mention is listing those available for disposal, so one would expect lower counts than the number built. The explanation for there being 37 A class ore wagons for disposal with only 36 built is that the 4 F class flat wagons were converted to A class, making 40 in total.

John

On 15 March 2013 17:44, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
Well fella's I thought I had everything fairly close to being correct, but it now seems there are
some discrepancies, according to this LRRSA website, the list of rollingstock was thus:-
 2 'DB' Class Composite Guard/Second

1 'AD' Class Composite Guard/First

2 'AB' Class Composite First/Second

1 A Class First Class

Wagons:

37 A Class 10 ton capacity

19 'AA' Class 15 ton capacity

12 'BB' Class 20 ton capacity
But according to the book put out by the "Tasmanian Historical Research Association" it shows the
list of rollingstock as being this:-
Carriages

Class | Number |     Type       |  Built  |             Remarks
      |        |                |         |
AA    |   1    | 1st. Class     |  1898   | 24 passengers, bogie saloon, end platforms
AB    |   1    | 1st./2nd Class |  1899   | 7/1st class, 24/2nd class passengers bogie saloon, end
platforms
AB    |   2    | 1st./2nd Class |  1899   | 7/1st class, 24/2nd class passengers bogie saloon, end
platforms
AD    |   1    | 1st./ Guard    |  1900   | 7/1st. Class pass./ Luggage com. plus Guard's comp.,
bogie vehicle
BB    |   1    | 2nd. Class     |  1898   | 2nd. Class passenger, Bogie saloon, end platforms
      |        |                |         | [Sold to Zeehan Tramway Co. 1903]
DB    |   1    | 2nd./ Brake    |  1896   | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms
DB    |   2    | 2nd./ Brake    |  1896   | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms
DB    |   3    | 2nd./ Brake    |  1896   | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms

Freight Rollingstock

Class | Number |     Type       |  Built  |             Remarks
      |        |                |         |
A     |  36    |  16' Bogie     | 1896-16 | Also classified as "Short AA"
      |        |  Open Wagon    | 1898-11 | Capacity 10 tons
      |        |                | 1899-9  | See also FF
      |        |                |         |
AA    |  25    |  24' Bogie     | 1899-6  | Capacity 15 tons
      |        |  Open Wagon    | 1901-2  |
      |        |                | 1902-7  |
      |        |                | 1906-6  |
      |        |                | 1903-4  |
BB    |  12    |  25' Steel     | 1909-2  | Capacity 20 tons
      |        |  Open Wagon    | 1910-4  |
      |        |                | 1911-6  |
      |        |                |         |
FF    |  4     | 16' Bogie      | 1896-4  | Capacity 10 tons Later included in Class "A"
      |        | Flat Wagon     |         |{making total of 40 "A"}
      |        |                |         |
OF    |  2     |     7'9"       | 1897-2  | Capacity 5 tons
      |        |4 Wheeled Timber|
      |        |   Bolster      |         |

Can anyone clarify what was what in reality on this?
Brian
Qld. Aust.
-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013 6:02 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

I have just posted 8 drawings of the passenger rollingstock that ran on the North East Dundas
Tramway, these drawing have been done as accurately as possible according to what information I have
been able to find.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/1200882876/pic/list>
For those that have made copies of the previous drawings I posted in the Files section, please
delete them as these new drawings are far more accurate, also for those wishing to copy these
drawings, before saving them, open them in the "Original" size and then save them, the drawings are
drawn to fit onto a A4 page, in order to print them correctly to scale, go to the link below and
follow the printing instructions, failure to follow these instruction will result in printing the
drawings being progressively compressed from right to left, meaning the drawing will no longer be
correct.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Brian%27s%20Folder/>


Brian
Qld. Aust.







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Re: North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

John Dennis
 

Brian,

Christian Cenac's book has passenger and wagon counts which match those of the book put out by the "Tasmanian Historical Research Association", whoever they are, and whatever that book is.

The LRRSA web page with the rolling stock counts you mention is listing those available for disposal, so one would expect lower counts than the number built. The explanation for there being 37 A class ore wagons for disposal with only 36 built is that the 4 F class flat wagons were converted to A class, making 40 in total.

John


On 15 March 2013 17:44, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
Well fella's I thought I had everything fairly close to being correct, but it now seems there are
some discrepancies, according to this LRRSA website, the list of rollingstock was thus:-
 2 'DB' Class Composite Guard/Second

1 'AD' Class Composite Guard/First

2 'AB' Class Composite First/Second

1 A Class First Class

Wagons:

37 A Class 10 ton capacity

19 'AA' Class 15 ton capacity

12 'BB' Class 20 ton capacity
But according to the book put out by the "Tasmanian Historical Research Association" it shows the
list of rollingstock as being this:-
Carriages

Class | Number |     Type       |  Built  |             Remarks
      |        |                |         |
AA    |   1    | 1st. Class     |  1898   | 24 passengers, bogie saloon, end platforms
AB    |   1    | 1st./2nd Class |  1899   | 7/1st class, 24/2nd class passengers bogie saloon, end
platforms
AB    |   2    | 1st./2nd Class |  1899   | 7/1st class, 24/2nd class passengers bogie saloon, end
platforms
AD    |   1    | 1st./ Guard    |  1900   | 7/1st. Class pass./ Luggage com. plus Guard's comp.,
bogie vehicle
BB    |   1    | 2nd. Class     |  1898   | 2nd. Class passenger, Bogie saloon, end platforms
      |        |                |         | [Sold to Zeehan Tramway Co. 1903]
DB    |   1    | 2nd./ Brake    |  1896   | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms
DB    |   2    | 2nd./ Brake    |  1896   | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms
DB    |   3    | 2nd./ Brake    |  1896   | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms

Freight Rollingstock

Class | Number |     Type       |  Built  |             Remarks
      |        |                |         |
A     |  36    |  16' Bogie     | 1896-16 | Also classified as "Short AA"
      |        |  Open Wagon    | 1898-11 | Capacity 10 tons
      |        |                | 1899-9  | See also FF
      |        |                |         |
AA    |  25    |  24' Bogie     | 1899-6  | Capacity 15 tons
      |        |  Open Wagon    | 1901-2  |
      |        |                | 1902-7  |
      |        |                | 1906-6  |
      |        |                | 1903-4  |
BB    |  12    |  25' Steel     | 1909-2  | Capacity 20 tons
      |        |  Open Wagon    | 1910-4  |
      |        |                | 1911-6  |
      |        |                |         |
FF    |  4     | 16' Bogie      | 1896-4  | Capacity 10 tons Later included in Class "A"
      |        | Flat Wagon     |         |{making total of 40 "A"}
      |        |                |         |
OF    |  2     |     7'9"       | 1897-2  | Capacity 5 tons
      |        |4 Wheeled Timber|
      |        |   Bolster      |         |

Can anyone clarify what was what in reality on this?
Brian
Qld. Aust.
-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013 6:02 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

I have just posted 8 drawings of the passenger rollingstock that ran on the North East Dundas
Tramway, these drawing have been done as accurately as possible according to what information I have
been able to find.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/1200882876/pic/list>
For those that have made copies of the previous drawings I posted in the Files section, please
delete them as these new drawings are far more accurate, also for those wishing to copy these
drawings, before saving them, open them in the "Original" size and then save them, the drawings are
drawn to fit onto a A4 page, in order to print them correctly to scale, go to the link below and
follow the printing instructions, failure to follow these instruction will result in printing the
drawings being progressively compressed from right to left, meaning the drawing will no longer be
correct.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Brian%27s%20Folder/>


Brian
Qld. Aust.







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Re: North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

Well fella's I thought I had everything fairly close to being correct, but it now seems there are
some discrepancies, according to this LRRSA website, the list of rollingstock was thus:-
2 'DB' Class Composite Guard/Second

1 'AD' Class Composite Guard/First

2 'AB' Class Composite First/Second

1 A Class First Class

Wagons:

37 A Class 10 ton capacity

19 'AA' Class 15 ton capacity

12 'BB' Class 20 ton capacity
But according to the book put out by the "Tasmanian Historical Research Association" it shows the
list of rollingstock as being this:-
Carriages

Class | Number | Type | Built | Remarks
| | | |
AA | 1 | 1st. Class | 1898 | 24 passengers, bogie saloon, end platforms
AB | 1 | 1st./2nd Class | 1899 | 7/1st class, 24/2nd class passengers bogie saloon, end
platforms
AB | 2 | 1st./2nd Class | 1899 | 7/1st class, 24/2nd class passengers bogie saloon, end
platforms
AD | 1 | 1st./ Guard | 1900 | 7/1st. Class pass./ Luggage com. plus Guard's comp.,
bogie vehicle
BB | 1 | 2nd. Class | 1898 | 2nd. Class passenger, Bogie saloon, end platforms
| | | | [Sold to Zeehan Tramway Co. 1903]
DB | 1 | 2nd./ Brake | 1896 | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms
DB | 2 | 2nd./ Brake | 1896 | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms
DB | 3 | 2nd./ Brake | 1896 | 18/2nd. Class, plus Guard, Bogie toast rack, end
platforms

Freight Rollingstock

Class | Number | Type | Built | Remarks
| | | |
A | 36 | 16' Bogie | 1896-16 | Also classified as "Short AA"
| | Open Wagon | 1898-11 | Capacity 10 tons
| | | 1899-9 | See also FF
| | | |
AA | 25 | 24' Bogie | 1899-6 | Capacity 15 tons
| | Open Wagon | 1901-2 |
| | | 1902-7 |
| | | 1906-6 |
| | | 1903-4 |
BB | 12 | 25' Steel | 1909-2 | Capacity 20 tons
| | Open Wagon | 1910-4 |
| | | 1911-6 |
| | | |
FF | 4 | 16' Bogie | 1896-4 | Capacity 10 tons Later included in Class "A"
| | Flat Wagon | |{making total of 40 "A"}
| | | |
OF | 2 | 7'9" | 1897-2 | Capacity 5 tons
| |4 Wheeled Timber|
| | Bolster | |

Can anyone clarify what was what in reality on this?
Brian
Qld. Aust.

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Brian
Sent: Wednesday, 13 March 2013 6:02 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

I have just posted 8 drawings of the passenger rollingstock that ran on the North East Dundas
Tramway, these drawing have been done as accurately as possible according to what information I have
been able to find.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/1200882876/pic/list>
For those that have made copies of the previous drawings I posted in the Files section, please
delete them as these new drawings are far more accurate, also for those wishing to copy these
drawings, before saving them, open them in the "Original" size and then save them, the drawings are
drawn to fit onto a A4 page, in order to print them correctly to scale, go to the link below and
follow the printing instructions, failure to follow these instruction will result in printing the
drawings being progressively compressed from right to left, meaning the drawing will no longer be
correct.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Brian%27s%20Folder/>


Brian
Qld. Aust.







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North East Dundas Rollingstock Drawings

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

I have just posted 8 drawings of the passenger rollingstock that ran on the North East Dundas
Tramway, these drawing have been done as accurately as possible according to what information I have
been able to find.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/1200882876/pic/list>
For those that have made copies of the previous drawings I posted in the Files section, please
delete them as these new drawings are far more accurate, also for those wishing to copy these
drawings, before saving them, open them in the "Original" size and then save them, the drawings are
drawn to fit onto a A4 page, in order to print them correctly to scale, go to the link below and
follow the printing instructions, failure to follow these instruction will result in printing the
drawings being progressively compressed from right to left, meaning the drawing will no longer be
correct.
<http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Brian%27s%20Folder/>


Brian
Qld. Aust.


Sandstone Gala 2013

John Browning
 

LRRSA members will be aware of the spectacular events held each year at Sandstone Estates in South Africa.

In 2013 they are holding the Stars of Sandstone 2013 Steam Heritage Festival’ from 4 to 12 May featuring a huge line up of 2ft gauge steam and other heritage transport attractions.

http://www.sandstone-estates.com/index.php/general-news/2780-stars-of-sandstone-2013-steam-heritage-festival-4th-12th-may-2013

 

Last year I discovered the benefits of sharing a hire car in South Africa with other attendees. It was very congenial and it saved us all money.

Driving to Sandstone is easy from Johannesburg (or from Bloemfontein, which is closer).

 

I have been contacted by an Australian who wants to go this year and would like to know if there are any others who might like to share the costs of a hire car. He is travelling from Melbourne so shared flights may be a possibility also.

 

Please contact me off group (or on if you prefer) and I can put you in touch with the gentleman concerned.

 

     John

 


Among the Hardwoods

Ray Surnamegardiner
 

Hi,
a good U Tube video of West Australian logging

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dRsu3vbMj4&feature=em-share_video_user

ray


Re: Light rail news on CD

Bruce Wood
 

Thanks Frank – you have answered all my questions. I will place an order asap!
 
Thanks again
Bruce
 
 
 

Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Light rail news on CD
 
 


Hello Bruce,

"Light Railway News on CD-ROM" was a pioneering project, and is now obsolete.

It has been replaced with "Light Railway News Nos 1 to 121 pdf version". This consists of one single pdf file containing 2,458 A5 size pages, and is fully searchable with Adobe Reader. That is a far more elegant simple solution than the old "Light Railway News on CD-ROM", which would only work on Windows computers, and required installation of software to make use of the Windows Help system as it then existed.

Details of "Light Railway News Nos 1 to 121 pdf version" can be found here:

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRN_CDR.htm

and it is available for immediate download from the LRRSA Online Shop in the "Light Railways" category. The price is $19.00, or $9.50 if you are an LRRSA member. The file size is about 18Mb.

Microsoft no longer uses the Help System that the CD-ROM was designed for.

As a little bit of background, the Light Railway News on CD-ROM project was started in 1994 when CD-ROM burners had just fallen in price from $12,000 to $5,000 each and the price of a blank CD-ROM had just fallen from $250 each to $50 each. At these prices the project would not have been viable, but we were confident they would fall a lot more. The process of converting the printed LRN's to the correct format for the CD was complex and took four years to complete. By that time the price of CD-ROM burners was around $600 and blank CD-ROMs about $2.50 and at those prices the project was viable. The route we took using the Windows Help system and software called HDK (Hyper Text Development Kit) was the best available at the time.

Searchable pdf's of that size were not an option at that time, unfortunately.

Regards,

Frank


On 11/03/2013 1:37 PM, Bruce wrote:
 

Hi Folks,

I am trying to load the CD program on a Windows 7, 32-bit operating system. I cannot get it to work successfully. (I get a Windows error message, which tells me that the program will not open, but doesn't explain why?).

Is anyone using the CD on a Windows 7 operating system, and did you need to do any tricks to get it to work?

Thanks
Bruce

--- In mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au, Mike McCarthy mailto:mikemccarthy51@... wrote:
>
> Dave,
> Good point! You could be correct there. The other thing worth exploring is Compatability Mode within Windows 7. I haven't tried it with the LRN CD but it could work. Not sure if it is in all versions of Windows 7 though.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> Unemployed Layabout
> Ph: +61 3 97625847
> Mobile: +61 407700911
>
> On 25/03/2011, at 10:02 PM, "Dave Priestley" mailto:dave@... wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I think it depends which version of Windows 7 you have.
> >
> > From memory don't you need Windows 7 PROFESSIONAL or above to use
> > Virtual_XP?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
> > Of Michael McCarthy
> > Sent: 25 March 2011 10:57
> > To: mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au
> > Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Light rail news on CD
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> > I use Windows 7 and had the same problem. The answer is to run the LRN CD
> > is Virtual XP mode. This involves setting up an XP environment within
> > Windows 7. You can then run practically anything that ran in XP that won't
> > run in Windows 7. It sounds complex but it isnt. If you google Windows
> > Virtual XP you will find out how to do it. I was using LRN on CD on Friday
> > evening this way.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford wrote:
> > >
> > > All the work has been done to reformat this into a single pdf file
> > > consisting of about 2500 A5 size pages.
> > >
> > > It is a format ideal for hand held devices like iPads, and also easy
> > > to read on the screen.
> > >
> > > The only remaining work to be done is to design artwork for a CD jewel
> > > case, and find a company to make 100 CD-ROMs in jewel cases.
> > >
> > > This will be done eventually. But there are many other more urgent
> > > things to be done.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/03/2011 4:06 PM, A C Lynn Zelmer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder what the chances are of the LRRSA re-issuing this to work
> > > > on newer systems (and maybe also Mac & Linux) instead of having to
> > > > metaphorically standing on our heads to patch a broken system? I'm
> > > > running Vista on a Mac using Parallels and changes like this never
> > > > seem to survive the next update, regardless of whether it's an
> > > > update to Mac OS, Vista or Parallels.
> > > >
> > > > Ta, Lynn
> > > > --
> > > > Lynn Zelmer
> > > > Box 1414, Rockhampton QLD 4700 Australia http://www.zelmeroz.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA
> > publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the
> > LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au
> >
> > This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the
> > LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions
> > expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of
> > the LRRSA Council of Management"
> > Yahoo!7 Groups Links
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



Re: Light rail news on CD

Frank Stamford
 


Hello Bruce,

"Light Railway News on CD-ROM" was a pioneering project, and is now obsolete.

It has been replaced with "Light Railway News Nos 1 to 121 pdf version". This consists of one single pdf file containing 2,458 A5 size pages, and is fully searchable with Adobe Reader. That is a far more elegant simple solution than the old "Light Railway News on CD-ROM", which would only work on Windows computers, and required installation of software to make use of the Windows Help system as it then existed.

Details of "Light Railway News Nos 1 to 121 pdf version" can be found here:

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRN_CDR.htm

and it is available for immediate download from the LRRSA Online Shop in the "Light Railways" category. The price is $19.00, or $9.50 if you are an LRRSA member. The file size is about 18Mb.

Microsoft no longer uses the Help System that the CD-ROM was designed for.

As a little bit of background, the Light Railway News on CD-ROM project was started in 1994 when CD-ROM burners had just fallen in price from $12,000 to $5,000 each and the price of a blank CD-ROM had just fallen from $250 each to $50 each. At these prices the project would not have been viable, but we were confident they would fall a lot more. The process of converting the printed LRN's to the correct format for the CD was complex and took four years to complete. By that time the price of CD-ROM burners was around $600 and blank CD-ROMs about $2.50 and at those prices the project was viable. The route we took using the Windows Help system and software called HDK (Hyper Text Development Kit) was the best available at the time.

Searchable pdf's of that size were not an option at that time, unfortunately.

Regards,

Frank


On 11/03/2013 1:37 PM, Bruce wrote:
 

Hi Folks,

I am trying to load the CD program on a Windows 7, 32-bit operating system. I cannot get it to work successfully. (I get a Windows error message, which tells me that the program will not open, but doesn't explain why?).

Is anyone using the CD on a Windows 7 operating system, and did you need to do any tricks to get it to work?

Thanks
Bruce

--- In LRRSA@..., Mike McCarthy wrote:
>
> Dave,
> Good point! You could be correct there. The other thing worth exploring is Compatability Mode within Windows 7. I haven't tried it with the LRN CD but it could work. Not sure if it is in all versions of Windows 7 though.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> Unemployed Layabout
> Ph: +61 3 97625847
> Mobile: +61 407700911
>
> On 25/03/2011, at 10:02 PM, "Dave Priestley" wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I think it depends which version of Windows 7 you have.
> >
> > From memory don't you need Windows 7 PROFESSIONAL or above to use
> > Virtual_XP?
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf
> > Of Michael McCarthy
> > Sent: 25 March 2011 10:57
> > To: LRRSA@...
> > Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Light rail news on CD
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> > I use Windows 7 and had the same problem. The answer is to run the LRN CD
> > is Virtual XP mode. This involves setting up an XP environment within
> > Windows 7. You can then run practically anything that ran in XP that won't
> > run in Windows 7. It sounds complex but it isnt. If you google Windows
> > Virtual XP you will find out how to do it. I was using LRN on CD on Friday
> > evening this way.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- In LRRSA@..., Frank Stamford wrote:
> > >
> > > All the work has been done to reformat this into a single pdf file
> > > consisting of about 2500 A5 size pages.
> > >
> > > It is a format ideal for hand held devices like iPads, and also easy
> > > to read on the screen.
> > >
> > > The only remaining work to be done is to design artwork for a CD jewel
> > > case, and find a company to make 100 CD-ROMs in jewel cases.
> > >
> > > This will be done eventually. But there are many other more urgent
> > > things to be done.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 25/03/2011 4:06 PM, A C Lynn Zelmer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I wonder what the chances are of the LRRSA re-issuing this to work
> > > > on newer systems (and maybe also Mac & Linux) instead of having to
> > > > metaphorically standing on our heads to patch a broken system? I'm
> > > > running Vista on a Mac using Parallels and changes like this never
> > > > seem to survive the next update, regardless of whether it's an
> > > > update to Mac OS, Vista or Parallels.
> > > >
> > > > Ta, Lynn
> > > > --
> > > > Lynn Zelmer
> > > > Box 1414, Rockhampton QLD 4700 Australia http://www.zelmeroz.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA
> > publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the
> > LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au
> >
> > This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the
> > LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions
> > expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of
> > the LRRSA Council of Management"
> > Yahoo!7 Groups Links
> >
> >
>
>
>
>



Re: Light rail news on CD

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Folks,

I am trying to load the CD program on a Windows 7, 32-bit operating system. I cannot get it to work successfully. (I get a Windows error message, which tells me that the program will not open, but doesn't explain why?).

Is anyone using the CD on a Windows 7 operating system, and did you need to do any tricks to get it to work?

Thanks
Bruce

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Mike McCarthy <mikemccarthy51@...> wrote:

Dave,
Good point! You could be correct there. The other thing worth exploring is Compatability Mode within Windows 7. I haven't tried it with the LRN CD but it could work. Not sure if it is in all versions of Windows 7 though.

Regards,
Mike

Unemployed Layabout
Ph: +61 3 97625847
Mobile: +61 407700911

On 25/03/2011, at 10:02 PM, "Dave Priestley" <dave@...> wrote:

Mike,

I think it depends which version of Windows 7 you have.

From memory don't you need Windows 7 PROFESSIONAL or above to use
Virtual_XP?

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Michael McCarthy
Sent: 25 March 2011 10:57
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Light rail news on CD

Barry,

I use Windows 7 and had the same problem. The answer is to run the LRN CD
is Virtual XP mode. This involves setting up an XP environment within
Windows 7. You can then run practically anything that ran in XP that won't
run in Windows 7. It sounds complex but it isnt. If you google Windows
Virtual XP you will find out how to do it. I was using LRN on CD on Friday
evening this way.

Regards,

Mike

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@> wrote:

All the work has been done to reformat this into a single pdf file
consisting of about 2500 A5 size pages.

It is a format ideal for hand held devices like iPads, and also easy
to read on the screen.

The only remaining work to be done is to design artwork for a CD jewel
case, and find a company to make 100 CD-ROMs in jewel cases.

This will be done eventually. But there are many other more urgent
things to be done.

Regards,

Frank




On 25/03/2011 4:06 PM, A C Lynn Zelmer wrote:

I wonder what the chances are of the LRRSA re-issuing this to work
on newer systems (and maybe also Mac & Linux) instead of having to
metaphorically standing on our heads to patch a broken system? I'm
running Vista on a Mac using Parallels and changes like this never
seem to survive the next update, regardless of whether it's an
update to Mac OS, Vista or Parallels.

Ta, Lynn
--
Lynn Zelmer
Box 1414, Rockhampton QLD 4700 Australia http://www.zelmeroz.com




------------------------------------

Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA
publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the
LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au

This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the
LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions
expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of
the LRRSA Council of Management"
Yahoo!7 Groups Links


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: 3/9/2013 9:35:10 AM

Wolf Plagge
 

Hi Group,

This book Pioneer Irrigation isa avaible as a reprint:

http://www.abebooks.com/book-search/author/mawson-e-o/page-1/

At ca. 30 USD

Perhaps the better buy!

Best wishes
Wolf Plagge


3/9/2013 9:35:10 AM

rthorne475
 






3/9/2013 9:35:10 AM
richard horne


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Re: Interesting book on e-bay: Irrigation +Light Railways

Hunslet
 

Not at the “buy it now” price of $499.00!

 

Hunslet

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of Tony Smith
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 3:13 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Interesting book on e-bay: Irrigation +Light Railways

 

 

I have no connection with the sellers, but have seen an interesting antique book currently listed on E-bay:

 

 

While printed in London in 1904, I'm sure that much of the philosophy would have applied to Irrigation areas in Australia and the Light Railways serving them. I feel that the book is possibly overpriced for me, but the seller is entertaining offers!

 

Tony Smith.

 


Interesting book on e-bay: Irrigation +Light Railways

Tony Smith
 

I have no connection with the sellers, but have seen an interesting antique book currently listed on E-bay:
 
 
While printed in London in 1904, I'm sure that much of the philosophy would have applied to Irrigation areas in Australia and the Light Railways serving them. I feel that the book is possibly overpriced for me, but the seller is entertaining offers!
 
Tony Smith.



Re: Mainbeach Burleigh Tramway

Petan
 

Replaced the phone camera snaps with a single photocopy of the whole map. Much easier to understand.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Peter" <yahoomail@...> wrote:

Those who read John Browning's "The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway",may be interested in 3 Sept 1938 maps of the area from Southport to Broadbeach. It shows the Pacific Highway route as it was in that era which may be possibly close to the original route that was constructed with the tramway.

Try the following and click through them as desired. http://s311.beta.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/library/Tramways

I found these in the Southport Local Studies Library so used my camera phone to take a few snaps. The Southport one had the date so I included it. Also notice the British Commonwealth cable is marked. More on the British Commonwealth cable http://www.yourbrisbanepastandpresent.com/2010/05/cable-park-southport.html

John's article is in Light Railways,issue 213 June 2010.This is available for purchase as a downloadable PDF from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/index.html

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Re: Tramways of the Mornington Peninsula

Michael Milway
 

Dear all,
I have only just read my copy of LR 229 (Feb 2013).

I was very pleased to note that my enquiries about tramways on/of the Mornington Peninsula had made it into the reasearch section of the magazine.

I would like to offer my thanks to everyone who participated in the discussions and for turning my initial questions into a worthwhile addition to LR.

Regards,
Michael Milway.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "keith" <sherlock@...> wrote:

Hi John,
That walking track would be the Two Bays and is at the western end of Bunurong track. My old Broadbents I left with the Historical Society so will have a look when next there.
Cheers,
Keith.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, John Cleverdon <johnc@> wrote:

My father dug out a copy of a Broadbents guide to the Mornington
Peninsula from around the 1960's.
It shows a quarry on Latrobe Parade above Anthony's Nose. As well, the
current Bunurong Track (the 'back route' between Dromana and McCrae) is
labelled as 'Quarry Road'.

Keith, I assume the walking track you are referring to is Two Bays
Track? (I haven't wandered along it for a couple of years or more).

Regards,
John
--
John Cleverdon, B John Cleverdon
Mornington Peninsula, Victoria

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