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Mainbeach Burleigh Tramway

Petan
 

Those who read John Browning's "The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway",may be interested in 3 Sept 1938 maps of the area from Southport to Broadbeach. It shows the Pacific Highway route as it was in that era which may be possibly close to the original route that was constructed with the tramway.

Try the following and click through them as desired. http://s311.beta.photobucket.com/user/petanoz/library/Tramways

I found these in the Southport Local Studies Library so used my camera phone to take a few snaps. The Southport one had the date so I included it. Also notice the British Commonwealth cable is marked. More on the British Commonwealth cable http://www.yourbrisbanepastandpresent.com/2010/05/cable-park-southport.html

John's article is in Light Railways,issue 213 June 2010.This is available for purchase as a downloadable PDF from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/index.html

Cheers
Peter Cokley


Re: Nerang Central Sugar Mill

Petan
 

Hi John and group,

thanks for your kind words but don't rush off and print my work just yet as this arvo I found "Rushton Ferry" mentioned in a book in reference to a ferry that was used to transport cane across the Nerang River. It will take a while for me to analyse this afternoon's gleamings and will write more in a few days time.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:
Thanks Peter>
Thanks for this impressive piece of work - hopefully it may become an article in 'Light Railways' in due time.
John


Re: Nerang Central Sugar Mill

John Browning
 

Thanks Peter

 

Thanks for this impressive piece of work – hopefully it may become an article in ‘Light Railways’ in due time.

 

The failure to put through sufficient cane was the difficulty that led to the closure of Nerang Mill and a huge loss to the taxpayer.

 

There were four mills under direct Queensland Government control in 1910 (because they were in severe financial straits) and this is what they crushed.

 

CANE CRUSHED 1910 (tons)

Nerang

9636

Bauple

35000

Gin Gin

56084

Proserpine

52926

 

1910 was a relatively good year for Nerang according to the few figures I have collected, and the performance was officially described as ‘promising’.

 

Even through the mill’s crushing capacity was at least 20,000 tons, this did not make it large in relation to mills north of Brisbane. However, it was by far the biggest of the south coast mills which included the small privately owned Eagleby, Alberton, The Junction, Rocky Point & Steiglitz mills, all in the Beenleigh area and operated by German settlers. None of these was in a position to receive cane by tramway or QR at this stage.

By contrast, cane was consigned to Nerang via QR from Stapylton, Ormeau and Pimpama.

 

Most farmers up and down the Nerang River and along the South Coast railway must have had better uses for their land than to grow sugar cane on it.

 

     John

 

 

 


Re: Timber tramway field weekend in Batemans Bay 22-24 March

Ian Barnes
 

Fellow Light Railers

Just reminding you of my original message below.

If you are contemplating coming to the Batemans Bay (south coast of NSW) field weekend of 22-24 March, I will need to hear from you by this coming Friday 8th March. The flyer advertising the weekend, and with details, is posted on our "Files" site.

Cheers
Ian Barnes

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "yogibarnes999" <ibarnes@...> wrote:

Hello fellow Light Railers

I have been a member of LRRSA for some time and have been receiving discussion group messages since 2009 but only now I am lurching out my "receival" mode and moving into "launch" mode (my recent retirement is primarily responsible for the upgrade).

I am organising a timber tramway field trip in Batemans Bay, NSW on the weekend of 22-24 March 2013 on behalf of the Institute of Foresters or Australia (IFA). Although it is nominally an IFA event, foresters do like to converse with all associated groups, so LRRSA and Australian Forest History Society (AFHS)members are also very welcome to this event.

I am posting a copy of the flyer for the weekend to this site. Broad details of the weekend's activity, and booking info, is within the flyer. Also note that fees indicated within the flyer will be collected on the day.

In particular, for LRRSA members' information, I will be showing locations north of Batemans Bay of at least two timber tramways - The Bawley Point line, and the Benandarah (aka Cullendulla) line. Other lines in the area will also be discussed but not necessarily visited.

As well as posting information to this site, I have given the NSW chairman, Jeff Moonie, the same information so that he can advise attendees of the upcoming February NSW meeting.

I hope you consider coming along. You may well enjoy both the field visits and the company.

Cheers
Ian Barnes


Ixion Models' new light railway loco (Trade announcement)

Lindsay O'Reilly <lindsay.oreilly@...>
 

Dear industrial and light railway friends,

Ixion Model Railways announces the production of a finescale injection-moulded O Gauge model of the John Fowler & Co 0-4-0 diesel-mechanical locomotive in 7mm scale (1:43.5, for 32mm standard gauge). This locomotive, Ixion’s fifth product, once again reflects the Ixion Directors’ own diverse interests and market research. The design work for this engine is almost complete. 

The model represents the solitary example that was built by Fowler for the Great Western Railway in 1933. It was given the running number “1” and was powered by a six-cylinder 70HP diesel engine with an ancillary petrol-powered starting motor. The locomotive was sold to George Cohen, Sons & Co Ltd of Leeds in 1940 and was later passed on to the Ministry of Supply.

The locomotive was built to a generic design that was in production from the late 1920s until the 1950s. Widely used by industry, the wheelbase was common, but a wide variety of engines and transmissions were used to suit buyer’s specific requirements resulting in many detail differences. The London Midland & Scottish Railway employed a similar locomotive numbered “2” which was in use from 1935 until 1962.

The model will be available in GWR lined green as above, and also painted, but unlettered and unlined for industrial use.

 As you may know, several industrial examples of the class have survived into preservation in the UK. Many similar narrow gauge locos came to Australia, but the only standard gauge example I have identified came to Woomera to work the military railway there. More information about this, and any other standard gauge locos of this model in Australia would be VERY welcome.

3D images of the not-yet-completed CAD model can be viewed on our website, www.ixionmodels.com

Warm regards,
Phil Badger, Chris Klein and Lindsay O'Reilly
Directors, Ixion Model Railways Ltd. 


Re: Nerang Central Sugar Mill

Petan
 

This a test to see if all the 1564 words in this research document will fit onto a Yahoo group post. The image link is in the files section as previously noted.

Nerang Central Sugar Mill [Benowa QLD]

Peter Cokley 2013 www something petan missing net

The Nerang Central Sugar Mill was supplied by sugar farmers along both sides of the lower reaches of the Nerang River. By 1910 sugar from other area such as Helensvale and Stapylton was transferred from Queensland Rail wagons to the mill's tramway at Molendinar Station.
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/BenowaTramwayredrawn1966_zps19431e6f.jpg

The mill itself was located near the present day Marbella Drive, Benowa, which is south of Ashmore Road and west of Benowa Road. The Nerang Central Sugar Mill Paddock extended from Benowa Road to Rosser Park which is now the Gold Coast Regional Botanic Gardens, with the mill on the western end of the paddock. The Nerang Central Sugar Mill closed at the end of the 1917 season. [Browning 2010 P.18] [Armstrong P.88/90]

The Nerang Central Sugar Mill operated a 2 foot / 610 mm gauge steam locomotive powered sugar tramway which eventually extended from the western end at Molendinar Railway station to the eastern end along the Nerang River near the present day area of Isle of Capri. [Arundell P.56] [Webber P.114 and map P.87] [Armstrong P.88/90]
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/NCSM-cadastral0001-mill_zps5dd67a6a.jpg

The 0-4-0T tank steam locomotive was Hunslet locomotive B/N 1199 of 1915 built new for the Nerang Central Sugar Mill. Following the closure of the Benowa Mill at the end of the 1917 season, it was sent to Proserpine Mill and then to Gin Gin Mill in 1919. In 1924 it returned to the Nerang River area for the tramway involved in the road building between Main Beach and Burleigh Head. The locomotive was later used on the Proserpine Mill as #7 and scrapped in 1956 [McKillop (et al) P.277]. [Australian Sugar Journal 8/11/1917 quoted in Browning 2010 P.18]

Details of the Benowa Hunslet locomotive, including a technical drawing, can be in found in John Browning's "The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway", in Light Railways, journal of The Light Railway Research Society of Australia Inc., issue 213 June 2010. This is available for purchase as a downloadable PDF from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/index.html

The tramway was horse powered before the arrival of the steam locomotive with a horse shown in the c1897 image of a tramway cane wagon on the Carrara Ferry. That also shows a tramway system, at least horse powered, existed on the south side of the Nerang River. Further research is required to indicate if the southside used permanent or temporary tramway tracks. That c1897 image also shows the Carrara Ferry was human powered.

The mill wharf was located slightly upstream of the Carrara Ferry. The mill wharf was used to load processed sugar for transport to Brisbane on boats such as the "Maid of Sker" and farmers' suppliers from Brisbane were unloaded at the wharf on return. That side paddle steam boat is now preserved in a park beside the river at Nerang.

The Carrara Ferry, which closes in 1949, was at the river end of Benowa Road and was part of a major traffic route linking Southport, Benowa, Carrara, Merrimac and Mudgeeraba through the central areas of the South Coast. The route was sometimes known as "The Carrara Road". The present day site of the former southern terminal of the Carrara Ferry is now the Carrara Road boat ramp. This is in a major residential area, as is the northern side of the former ferry site. We recently did a site inspection of the Carrara Ferry's southern side, with views across to the northern side. No historical relics were seen as we walked around the southern site. [Armstrong P.93]

I traced the tramway route from the 1900s cadastral map onto the 1966 topographical map which I created by the merge of the relevant portions of the 1966 Burleigh and Southport survey maps.

The Nerang Southport Rd on the 1966 topographical around QR's Molendinar Railway Station dates from 1950 when the level crossing on the northern end of the station was replaced by the road over rail bridge just to the south of the station. The changes are shown pencilled in on the QGR Working Plan and Section [WPS] SCL B-N&S s14 Molendinar https://docs.google.com/folder/d/0ByB-ppGeDyvwdFhWUmlkdUhyVE0/edit?pli=1&docId=0ByB-ppGeDyvwOVhrc3JQdG82U28

The WPS also shows the QGR line from the Nerang River climbed at 1/50 so the tramway climb to the transfer facility at Molendinar Railway Station could be expected to not be steeper than that. The load uphill would be empties.

The Nerang Central Sugar Mill site was previously occupied by Robert Muir's sugar mill. Robert Muir and his eldest son Peter drowned in flood waters near Yatala on Monday 24 January 1887 [The Queenslander, Brisbane, 29 January 1887 P.167] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/19922369 [Armstrong P.88/90]
The administrators of the estate of Robert Muir advertised the sale of the Benowa Estate and Plantation in The Queenslander newspaper, Saturday 24 September 1887 Page 504 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/2255421?zoomLevel=1 The auction was at the Benowa Estate And Plantation Monday 17th October 1887. In that era the area east of the mill was termed "Township of Muirlands" as noted on the sale brochure.

Following the closure of the Nerang Central Sugar Mill, sections of the Benowa Estate were subdivided with the sale at the Southport School of Arts, Southport on Saturday, October 21, 1922. This was advertised in The Brisbane Courier Saturday 12 August 1922 P.10 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20564843

The 1922 sale literature noted the land was to be subdivided in 23 dairying and agricultural farms from 10 to 95 acres with the estate situated 3 miles from Southport, 3 miles from Nerang Railway Station and Nestle's condenser and 2 miles from Merrimac Cheese Factory. The land was noted as consisting mostly of rich alluvial river flats and well grassed ridges and was said to be eminently suitable for dairying and the growing of Lucerne or any crops.

The 1922 sale map shows two crown land easements of interest to this discussion. The first is the approximate route of the line to the mill wharf and the second is a close match to the cane truck holding area.

Further research is required on the matter on any other river crossings between Carrara Ferry and Meyers Ferry, either publically or privately owned. Meyers Ferry was at present day Surfers Paradises. Press reports note the existence of a Rushton's bridge as well as a Ruston Jetty or Landing place between Carrara Ferry to Meyer's. That shows the location of Ruston was well enough known at that time that the newspaper did not need to explain its location. The bridge would be across a minor water course not the river, as the existence of a cross river bridge would have been well recorded in historical literature.

Cost of building and operating a private commercial ferry is unknown. Photographic evidence shows the 1897 Carrara Ferry was manually operated with a single cable, so any other ferry across the river could have been of a similar style. I also suspect any additional cross river ferry would have been recorded in Gold Coast historical documents. But, a river crossing around the present day Bundall Road would certainly have been convenient, especially considering the travel times of horse drawn transport.

I have some thoughts on the financial aspects of the mill's operation and its closure in 1917. The mill was government controlled as mortgagee in possession from 1904 following the farmers' cooperative having financial difficulties. Photographic evidence shows the Nerang Central Sugar Mill was of a reasonable size which indicates the initial capital cost would have been high. The 1915 steam locomotive purchase and associated track upgrade, along with World War One, would have imposed considerable financial strains on both the farmers as well as the government as mortgagee.

The climate would not have been the main cause of the closure as several other sugar mills in a similar river and climate arrangement survive. These include the Rocky Point Sugar Mill as well as the NSW mills down to the Clarence River Valley. Aerial images from the 1960s show only low level residential development along the Nerang River flats, although the area was starting to be developed in that era and the mill would have been forced to close.

The Nerang Central Sugar Mill may have had a short life but it certainly helped the economic development of the lower reaches of the Nerang River.

Bibliography;
Armstrong, E. I. "Benowa as it was" Self-Published, Grenfell, N.S.W., [1996?]

Arundell, Alan "The South Coast railway", Water Street Productions, Brisbane, 2011 http://railshop.com.au/prod78.htm

Australian Sugar Journal 8/11/1917. quoted in; Browning, John, "The Southport-Burleigh road construction tramway", in Light Railways, journal of Light Railway Research Society of Australia Inc., 213 June 2010. John has also supplied personal support and cartographic material.

Local Studies Library, Gold Coast City Council

McKillop, Robert F, "Hunslet Locomotives in Australia", Australian Railway Historical Society Bulletin December 1982 (Vol 33 No. 542). Ellis, RF, Browning, J, Henderson. WW, Pearman, RJ, Neve, P

Webber, Brian "Exploring Queensland's Railways - South from Brisbane", ARHS [Q] 2007 http://www.railshop.com.au/prod15.htm

Rushton notes; [A] On September 4 1912 the Southport Shire Council discussed the cost of effecting repairs to the Esplanade road and attend to Rushton's bridge. [The Brisbane Courier 6 September 1912 P.3] http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/19831569

[B] The breaking-up picnic of the Benowa State School took the form of a river picnic from Carrara Ferry to Meyer's, a distance of about eight miles. The trip down the river included a call at Rushton to pick up a party. The Brisbane Courier Thursday 16 December 1915 P.9 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/20078836


Nerang Central Sugar Mill

Petan
 

I have just added an historical research document on the Nerang Central Sugar Mill to the LRRSA SE QLD Northern rivers NSW folder. This is in MS Word format. The following list of available downloadable documents on the Nerang Central Sugar mill is also in that folder. It will be updated as required.

Cheers
Peter Cokley

Nerang Central Sugar Mill Downloads

Peter Cokley 2013 www something petan missing net

Nerang Central Sugar Mill tramway drawn on 1966 topographical map http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/BenowaTramwayredrawn1966_zps19431e6f.jpg

Nerang Central Sugar Mill tramway drawn on 1900s cadastral map http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/NCSM-cadastral0001-mill_zps5dd67a6a.jpg

Sugar growing area was along the river flats both sides of the river http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Benowa-Sugarareas_zpsf1608269.jpg

Sugar Mill area track site plan http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/SugarMilltracksiteplan_zps65aa7ae4.jpg

Benowa Sugar mill site colour 1970 aerial http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Bundall-1970-aerial-colour_zpsc6ea7fb5.jpg

Nerang Central Sugar Mill 1915 http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Nerang-Central-Mill-1915_zpsb8b6c4b6.jpg

Carrara Ferry site 1970 showing part of the former sugar growing area http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Carrara-Ferry-site-1970_zps29c5fd1e.jpg

Isle of Capri c1960 showing former sugar growing area http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Isle-of-Capri-c1960_zps2cd03cbd.jpg

Carrara Ferry 1897 with tram tracks on either side of river and also on deck of ferry for the cane trucks.
http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Ferry-with-cane-tracks-1897_zpsc6dff459.jpg

Benowa Estate sale 1922 http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Benowa-sale-1922_zps1042f71f.jpg

Benowa Estate sale Monday 17th October 1887. Robert Muir and his eldest son Peter, of Benowa, drowned in flood waters near Yatala on Monday 24 January 1887 http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Benowa-Estate-sale1887_zpsf5eea0e5.jpg

Benowa Southport high altitude aerial-1944 showing area from Benowa to Labrador http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Benowa-aerial-1944_zpsc6d8073d.jpg

Carrara ferry site north bank from south bank 2013.jpg http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Carraraferry-North-2013_zpsbdb91060.jpg

Carrara Ferry site south bank 2013 http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Carrara-Ferry-south-2013_zpsd714e227.jpg

Merrimac Carrara Worongary cadastral map 1924 http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Merrimac-Carrara1924_zpsd0d28c07.jpg

Merrimac Estate 1929 showing transport links Worongary Merrimac Carrara Benowa and Bundall [748 KB] http://i311.photobucket.com/albums/kk478/petanoz/Tramways/Merrimac-Estate-1929-Label_zpsf110960a.jpg


“Light Railways” Editor

Frank Stamford
 

All Australian LRRSA members will have received a letter in the mail advising that our editor of "Light Railways" Bruce Belbin has advised his intention to relinquish that role later this year. Bruce has held this position for 15 years, and was responsible for the complete redesign of the magazine in February 1998, a change which quadrupled the magazine's circulation and revitalised the LRRSA.

That letter sought expressions of interest from people interested in taking on the role of editor. We asked for responses by 6 March, so the purpose of this message is to remind members of that deadline which is one day before our March committee meeting when the LRRSA Council will be discussing the future of "Light Railways" magazine.

It is possible the nature of the editorial task as outlined in the letter may have seemed too daunting. But this is not necessarily so. Modern computer software and communications make it possible to spread the load effectively amongst a team of people, and the software effectively takes control of much of the layout process.

If you have any interest in being involved in the "Light Railways" editorial process it would be helpful if you could respond by email directly to me, or if you wish call me on 03 5968 2484 to discuss the possibilities. Once we know who is interested in being involved, and the skills they bring to the team, we should be able to design a process which provides a satisfying experience for each person in the team.

We did not send the letter to our overseas members because of the high cost of postage, but location is no barrier to membership of the "Light Railways" team, provided you have a reasonable internet connection.

By the way, finding content to fill "Light Railways" is rarely a problem. There is usually plenty of material available, though some states are not as well represented as they should be.

Frank Stamford
Publications Officer LRRSA


Re: West Coast WIlderness Railway to Close

trackcleaner
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Kevin Sewell <kevinrsewell@...> wrote:

Its an entirely admirable action to take, but can't help wondering how much
the impact is reduced when the petition was created and signed by someone
in Boston, Massachusetts, not Tasmania, or even elsewhere in Australia.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, tawonga996 <gin78205@...> wrote:

**


Apparently an online Petition has been organised to do its part to try to
save the WCWR. The URL is:

http://www.change.org/petitions/david-o-byrne-minister-of-infrastructure-energy-and-resources-implement-a-solution-prior-to-30-april-to-keep-the-abt-railway-going

if you're interested in adding to it.

Graeme

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Phil" wrote:



Some news which came out of the meeting at Queenstown on 7 February
(last Thursday) to discuss the future of the West Coast Wilderness Railway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-07/funding-hope-to-keep-railway-on-track/4506718?section=tas

May be fortuitous that it's an election year . . .

Surely one way to reduce running costs would be to decommission the rack
and just run trains using adhesion. A rack is not really needed for 1 in 16
- a bit of a luxury. Just leave it in situ to remind visitors. Simplify
maintenance of the locos as well. And why not add a bar for second-class
passengers would also bring in more $$ - 1st-class passengers aren't the
only ones who like a drink!

Phil Rickard



--

Cheers,
Kevin

I'm giving up spell-check for lint.


Re: West Coast WIlderness Railway to Close

Kevin Sewell
 

Its an entirely admirable action to take, but can't help wondering how much the impact is reduced when the petition was created and signed by someone in Boston, Massachusetts, not Tasmania, or even elsewhere in Australia.

On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 8:22 PM, tawonga996 <gin78205@...> wrote:
 

Apparently an online Petition has been organised to do its part to try to save the WCWR. The URL is:
http://www.change.org/petitions/david-o-byrne-minister-of-infrastructure-energy-and-resources-implement-a-solution-prior-to-30-april-to-keep-the-abt-railway-going

if you're interested in adding to it.

Graeme

--- In LRRSA@..., "Phil" wrote:
>
>
>
> Some news which came out of the meeting at Queenstown on 7 February (last Thursday) to discuss the future of the West Coast Wilderness Railway.
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-07/funding-hope-to-keep-railway-on-track/4506718?section=tas
>
> May be fortuitous that it's an election year . . .
>
> Surely one way to reduce running costs would be to decommission the rack and just run trains using adhesion. A rack is not really needed for 1 in 16 - a bit of a luxury. Just leave it in situ to remind visitors. Simplify maintenance of the locos as well. And why not add a bar for second-class passengers would also bring in more $$ - 1st-class passengers aren't the only ones who like a drink!
>
> Phil Rickard
>




--

Cheers,
Kevin

I'm giving up spell-check for lint.


Re: West Coast WIlderness Railway to Close

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

Maybe there isn't any need for the petition.
<http://www.examiner.com.au/story/1321991/federal-cash-for-west-coast-railway-repairs/?cs=12>


Brian
Qld. Aust.

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of tawonga996
Sent: Sunday, 24 February 2013 7:23 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: West Coast WIlderness Railway to Close

Apparently an online Petition has been organised to do its part to try to save the WCWR. The URL is:

http://www.change.org/petitions/david-o-byrne-minister-of-infrastructure-energy-and-resources-implem
ent-a-solution-prior-to-30-april-to-keep-the-abt-railway-going

if you're interested in adding to it.

Graeme

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Phil" <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...> wrote:



Some news which came out of the meeting at Queenstown on 7 February (last Thursday) to discuss the
future of the West Coast Wilderness Railway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-07/funding-hope-to-keep-railway-on-
track/4506718?section=tas

May be fortuitous that it's an election year . . .

Surely one way to reduce running costs would be to decommission the rack and just run trains using
adhesion. A rack is not really needed for 1 in 16 - a bit of a luxury. Just leave it in situ to
remind visitors. Simplify maintenance of the locos as well. And why not add a bar for second-class
passengers would also bring in more $$ - 1st-class passengers aren't the only ones who like a drink!

Phil Rickard


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Re: West Coast WIlderness Railway to Close

Graeme Inglis
 

Apparently an online Petition has been organised to do its part to try to save the WCWR. The URL is:
http://www.change.org/petitions/david-o-byrne-minister-of-infrastructure-energy-and-resources-implement-a-solution-prior-to-30-april-to-keep-the-abt-railway-going

if you're interested in adding to it.

Graeme

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Phil" <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...> wrote:



Some news which came out of the meeting at Queenstown on 7 February (last Thursday) to discuss the future of the West Coast Wilderness Railway.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-02-07/funding-hope-to-keep-railway-on-track/4506718?section=tas

May be fortuitous that it's an election year . . .

Surely one way to reduce running costs would be to decommission the rack and just run trains using adhesion. A rack is not really needed for 1 in 16 - a bit of a luxury. Just leave it in situ to remind visitors. Simplify maintenance of the locos as well. And why not add a bar for second-class passengers would also bring in more $$ - 1st-class passengers aren't the only ones who like a drink!

Phil Rickard


Re: Cane train oddity, 1929

John Browning
 

It occurred in 1925.

See LR 151 for the information referred to by Chris.

 

     John


Re: 11th Australian Narrow Gauge Convention - WEB UPDATE!!

Dan Pickard
 

Hi all,
The 11th Australian Narrow Gauge Convention is very quickly approaching, at now less than 6 weeks away. The event continues to grow with offerings, and we can now include Richard Grinyer's beautiful "Stony Creek" On30 layout to the list of layout tours available to see on Monday 1st April. Many of you will be familiar with Richard's layout from several feature articles within Narrow Gauge Downunder, so it can now be seen in person after the convention (as well as a fine selection of some of Richard's other diorama's which will be on display for the convention). Check the website for some details of that added layout tour...
http://cngg.org.au/html/layout_tours.html

All up, a great selection of home layouts on offer across Eastern Melbourne. Also check the details at the bottom of the layout tours page for links to Puffing Billy (another must for steam fans), where they are running extra services on their timetable over the busy holiday period. Just one of the other suggestions to round out your weekend of narrow gauge activities.

We have a great number of registrations thus far, but don't forget for those who are still considering (or just haven't got around to registering as yet), bookings for the Saturday evening dinner or any of the merchandise closes on 28TH FEBRUARY, so to avoid missing out, please get your registrations in while you still can. FINAL REGISTRATIONS WILL BE CLOSING ON 14TH MARCH, 2013, and remember, this is a pre-registration event, with no registrations available on the day.

Anyway, time I went and tried to finish of some modelling, and hope to see you all in a few weeks time!

Cheers,
Dan Pickard
on behalf of the 11th Australian Narrow Gauge Convention

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "danpickard2004" <pickard6@...> wrote:

Hi all,
One more quickie to let you all know there have been some more details of a couple of the other layout tours added to the website this morning (for Peter Sutton and Rod Warren's layouts), as well as a couple of trader updates.

http://cngg.org.au/html/latest_news.html
http://cngg.org.au/html/layout_tours.html

Cheers,
Dan Pickard


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "danpickard2004" wrote:

http://cngg.org.au/ozngc2013

Hi all,
Updates, updates updates...finally some update across the website :)

Head on over to the convention website and check in the "latest news" for links to all the new updates about the Narrow Gauge Convention plans.
http://cngg.org.au/html/latest_news.html

Heaps of updates on the layouts and displays, a couple more of the attending traders, listings of presenters and a proposed timetable for the weekend, bring & buy details etc etc...there are plenty of updates to read about. A late trader addition is also "Backyard Steam" making the trip down from up north with live steam garden railway loco's.

For those that have been enquiring about layout tours and Monday activities, afew more details are being finalised now. A handful of layout owners who are attending the Convention have very kindly offered to open the homes to visitors of their growing layouts. To date, Bill Black's Sn3 DRGW layout located in Emerald, Peter Sutton's Los Pinos and Toltec HOn3 layout located in Warragul, and Rod Warren's Lost Creek On30 located in Wantirna will all be available to
attendees to drop in a check out their progress on Monday 1st April after the Convention. Details of Peter and Rod's layout will be uploaded to the website shortly, and a couple more are still in negotiation. Registered attendee's will get further details on these available layouts closer to the date.

Also being finalised at the minute, is the option for a vist to the operations at Puffing Billy on the Monday morning. Plans are to include a tour of the workshops at Belgrave, a reserved car for attendees to take a ride on the first train to Lakeside (or earlier stops), and then return when you wish...just don't miss the last train. The last details of this opportunity should be available
to us by the end of the week, so for those interested in having a bit of a look behind the scenes up at Puffing Billy with a ride on some preservation steam, keep an eye out for additional updates very soon.

So if you haven't registered, but are thinking of coming, get on board. Book your accomodation if need be, and sort out your travel plans. Everything is starting to shape up nicely for a great show.

http://cngg.org.au/ozngc2013

Cheers,
Dan Pickard
on behalf of the 11th Australian Narrow Gauge Committee


Re: Cane train oddity, 1929

Christopher Hart
 

This was the subject of an article or some correspondence in "Light Railways" some years ago and took place on the Babinda Mill network. The loco is a Fowler and the cow under it was the obvious cause of the derailment,
Chris.

On 19 February 2013 23:18, tawonga996 <gin78205@...> wrote:
 

I've placed a photo I found recently entitled 'Cane train oddity'in the Photos section of a near disaster for a cane loco. Can anyone identify the loco and/or the location?

Graeme  


Cane train oddity, 1929

Graeme Inglis
 

I've placed a photo I found recently entitled 'Cane train oddity'in the Photos section of a near disaster for a cane loco. Can anyone identify the loco and/or the location?

Graeme


Re: BURRA

John Garaty
 

Hi John,
Burra is parked at present up the middle of 5 Road in the shed in a very dark spot most unsuited for photographs.
Some rough dimensions at the firebox end are:
32" approx width over the firebox cladding
Grate 15" long, 26" approx wide.

I also had a brief chat with our engineer in charge of Burra's restoration. His opinion after looking at the same photo I quoted in the previous link, is that the original firebox was wider than the frames and that the strengthers were original.
Regards,
John Garaty
Member ILRMS

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:

British narrow gauge historian Mark Smithers recently raised a question on a
blog entry. It concerns the 2ft. gauge Hawthorn Leslie 0-4-0ST BURRA of 1923
now at the Illawarra Light Railway in NSW, previously at Corrimal Colliery.
This locomotive now has a wide firebox and cast strengtheners on the rear
parts of the frames. I believe it received a new boiler from Clyde in 1946.
As built did it have a narrow firebox?



John


Re: Tramways of the Mornington Peninsula

silvansau
 

Hi John,
That walking track would be the Two Bays and is at the western end of Bunurong track. My old Broadbents I left with the Historical Society so will have a look when next there.
Cheers,
Keith.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, John Cleverdon <johnc@...> wrote:

My father dug out a copy of a Broadbents guide to the Mornington
Peninsula from around the 1960's.
It shows a quarry on Latrobe Parade above Anthony's Nose. As well, the
current Bunurong Track (the 'back route' between Dromana and McCrae) is
labelled as 'Quarry Road'.

Keith, I assume the walking track you are referring to is Two Bays
Track? (I haven't wandered along it for a couple of years or more).

Regards,
John
--
John Cleverdon, B John Cleverdon
Mornington Peninsula, Victoria


Re: BURRA

John Garaty
 

Hi John & all,
One of the few photos known of Burra as built and in service at Corrimal is available online through the Illawarra Coke web archive at

<http://www.illawarracoke.com.au/1912-65%20Corrimal%20Colliery%20Railway/pages/1934%20c%20Corrimal%20mine%20%60Burra'%202ft%20gauge%200-4-OST%20R_W_H_L_%20Bn%203574%201923_jpg.htm>

This 1934 photo with the original boiler appears to show the cast plates/strengtheners behind the rear driver supporting the firebox. My feeling is that "Burra" was built with "wide" firebox and these strengtheners were retained to carry the later Clyde boiler. My feeling is that the Clyde boiler was supposed to be a copy of the original boiler. I seriously doubt that you could build a boiler with smaller internal dimensions and still be able to move 30 tons of coal with every 8th axle spragged (as was done at Corrimal). The overall dimensions of the boiler and grate area are very small. I will check the grate area later today for you and get back with some dimensions this evening.

My understanding is that Clyde didn't get the boiler right first time which led to delays. Either impending boiler trouble with Burra or the delay in getting the new boiler almost certainly led to the purchase of the the Robert Hudson from Tasmania as a stop-gap during WW2. There is a comment about Burra's protracted boiler problems in Ken McCarthy's "Gazeteer of Illawarra Industrial Steam Locomotives". The dome on the current boiler is further back than the original and it impinged on the cab front. I don't know what other problems there may have been with the Clyde boiler. There are construction photos of the Clyde boiler available online through the Clyde Photograph Collection held at the Powerhouse Museum. A quick search of the Powerhouse website should turn them up.

I hope that this helps resolve the question from the UK.
Regards,
John Garaty
ILRMS member

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:

British narrow gauge historian Mark Smithers recently raised a question on a
blog entry. It concerns the 2ft. gauge Hawthorn Leslie 0-4-0ST BURRA of 1923
now at the Illawarra Light Railway in NSW, previously at Corrimal Colliery.
This locomotive now has a wide firebox and cast strengtheners on the rear
parts of the frames. I believe it received a new boiler from Clyde in 1946.
As built did it have a narrow firebox?



John


Re: Tramways of the Mornington Peninsula

John Cleverdon <johnc@...>
 

My father dug out a copy of a Broadbents guide to the Mornington Peninsula from around the 1960's.
It shows a quarry on Latrobe Parade above Anthony's Nose. As well, the current Bunurong Track (the 'back route' between Dromana and McCrae) is labelled as 'Quarry Road'.

Keith, I assume the walking track you are referring to is Two Bays Track? (I haven't wandered along it for a couple of years or more).

Regards,
John
--
John Cleverdon
Mornington Peninsula, Victoria

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