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Mulgrave Mill loco (Qld, from Jeff)

Roderick Smith
 

Cairns north (Qld): Mulgrave Mill cane freight. Tues.31.7.12. (Jeff
Bounds)
Jeff's description hints that this is on former Hambledon Mill track,
somewhere in the Redlynch area.
I tried every extreme treatment which I could on the cab side: it could be
loco 1, or I have simply picked up the logo again (the marking was just
below the window).
Roster experts please make a judgement based on the clues which you
recognise.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Laverton tramways

Marie and David Lowe
 

Thanks Richard, I can now sound very knowledgeable to the owner of the photo.
Regards David


From: richard horne
To: "LRRSA@..."
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 3:33 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Laverton tramways

 
This is a most interesting photo and shows Avonside 1436 of 1902, new to the East Greta Coal Mining Co (South Maitland Railway from 1918) No.3 and sold in 1927 to the Sydney & Suburban Blue Metal Quarries Ltd., Widemere Quarry.  Its line branched off the NSWGR at Fairfield.  Scrapped 1934.

Richard Horne


From: Marie and David Lowe
To: "LRRSA@..."
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013, 5:02
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Laverton tramways [2 Attachments]

 
Gidday all,
Nothing to do with the Laverton Tramways but seemed the simplest way of attaching a file other than putting it in my folder.
And there did not appear to be an obvious way of attaching in the 'start a new topic bit.'
Anyway.
A friend recently loaned me a photograph taken in 1929 of a locomotive working on the Prospect Reservoir quarry line.
Photo and inscription on reverse attached.
After a bit of Googling I see that this reservoir is part of Sydney's water supply but now virtually in suburbia.
Obvious question to all the knowledgeable people out there.
The make of the locomotive?
Anything more known about this line?
Cheers David.





Re: Laverton tramways [2 Attachments]

Marie and David Lowe
 

Thanks, looked up the article in my recently sorted out collection. Major renovations in the study have made this easy. Now all I have to do is 'keep up the good work'.
Interesting article but predates the photo a bit.
David.


Re: domestic light railway inclines at Eastern View

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

Yep, it is the house to the east. In Golf Links Rd. (but actually 723 Great Ocean Road), and the incline is shorter, running almost east - west,  parrellel to the stair case that goes from the car parking location at the top of the steep over grown driveway.
It is not in use.
 
Yours
 
Stephen
 

To: LRRSA@...
From: ceo8@...
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 22:14:15 +1000
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: domestic light railway inclines at Eastern View

 

> Two of the three light railway inclines I observed at Eastern View along the Great Ocean Road recently.
> They are domestic railways used for firewood and groceries

 

 

Hi Stephen

 

I’d say 725 & 727 Great Ocean Road, Eastern View

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=eastern+view+victoria&ll=-38.471904,144.043475&spn=0.000532,0.000972&hnear=Eastern+View+Victoria&t=h&z=20

 

Do you have an address/reference to the third one (or even a relative indication of location?)

 

Thanks

 

     John

 



Re: domestic light railway inclines at Eastern View

John Browning
 

> Two of the three light railway inclines I observed at Eastern View along the Great Ocean Road recently.
> They are domestic railways used for firewood and groceries

 

 

Hi Stephen

 

I’d say 725 & 727 Great Ocean Road, Eastern View

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?q=eastern+view+victoria&ll=-38.471904,144.043475&spn=0.000532,0.000972&hnear=Eastern+View+Victoria&t=h&z=20

 

Do you have an address/reference to the third one (or even a relative indication of location?)

 

Thanks

 

     John

 


Re: Laverton tramways [2 Attachments]

rthorne475
 

This is a most interesting photo and shows Avonside 1436 of 1902, new to the East Greta Coal Mining Co (South Maitland Railway from 1918) No.3 and sold in 1927 to the Sydney & Suburban Blue Metal Quarries Ltd., Widemere Quarry.  Its line branched off the NSWGR at Fairfield.  Scrapped 1934.

Richard Horne


From: Marie and David Lowe
To: "LRRSA@..."
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013, 5:02
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Laverton tramways [2 Attachments]

 
Gidday all,
Nothing to do with the Laverton Tramways but seemed the simplest way of attaching a file other than putting it in my folder.
And there did not appear to be an obvious way of attaching in the 'start a new topic bit.'
Anyway.
A friend recently loaned me a photograph taken in 1929 of a locomotive working on the Prospect Reservoir quarry line.
Photo and inscription on reverse attached.
After a bit of Googling I see that this reservoir is part of Sydney's water supply but now virtually in suburbia.
Obvious question to all the knowledgeable people out there.
The make of the locomotive?
Anything more known about this line?
Cheers David.



Re: Laverton tramways [2 Attachments]

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

On 3/01/2013 16:02, Marie and David Lowe wrote:
 
Anything more known about this line?


http://nswrail.net/library/widemere.php

note that this is separate from the Toongabbie - Prospect line



Re: Laverton tramways

John Dennis
 

The Bulletin article is of one page, and lists two locos:

No. 3 - 0-6-0ST Avonside 1436 of 1902 - bought 1927 from South Maitland Railways)
2013 - 2-6-4T Beyer Peacock 2567 of 1891 - from NSWR in 9/33, was 2nd 39 E, then 2013.

The photo is of No.3

John


On 3 January 2013 16:35, Chris Stratton <gm4201@...> wrote:
 

I had a look at LR125, different loco pictured. That looks more like a standard gauge loco in the photo but I don’t have the “Sydney’s Forgotten Quarry Railways” book which may have more info. I don’t have any Bulletins earlier than 1948 to check the article.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 4:17 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Laverton tramways

 



The Light Railways contents listing (available for download from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrr_downloads.html shows:

LR125 - Narrow Gauge Tramways at Prospect Reservoir. NSW - Jim Longworth

This magazine is available as a back issue from the LRRSA online shop at:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There was also an article in the ARHS Bulletin years ago:

Article Name: Fairfield to  Widemere Quarry Private Railway
ARHS Bulletin Vol 2 (Old), No 9, Jul 1938, p7
Author/Contributor Name: Singleton, CC
Comment: A  brief account of  a  6km line that carried rock from the Prospect Quarry
 to  Fairfield. Details of  2  locos used are given. 1  sketch map. IDENTIFIERS:
Non-Government Railways NSW / Construction Railways NSW / Sydney

Also an series in NSW Railway News:

Article Name: Private Railways - Prospect Quarry Line (4 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 5, Jun 1974
 
Article Name: Prospect Quarry Line, cont. (4 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 6, Jul 1974
 
Article Name: Prospect Quarry Branch, cont. (2 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 7, Aug 1974

Not really too much help.

John

On 3 January 2013 16:02, Marie and David Lowe <plateausedge@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from Marie and David Lowe included below]

Gidday all,

Nothing to do with the Laverton Tramways but seemed the simplest way of attaching a file other than putting it in my folder.

And there did not appear to be an obvious way of attaching in the 'start a new topic bit.'

Anyway.

A friend recently loaned me a photograph taken in 1929 of a locomotive working on the Prospect Reservoir quarry line.

Photo and inscription on reverse attached.

After a bit of Googling I see that this reservoir is part of Sydney's water supply but now virtually in suburbia.

Obvious question to all the knowledgeable people out there.

The make of the locomotive?

Anything more known about this line?

Cheers David.







Re: Laverton tramways

Chris Stratton
 

I had a look at LR125, different loco pictured. That looks more like a standard gauge loco in the photo but I don’t have the “Sydney’s Forgotten Quarry Railways” book which may have more info. I don’t have any Bulletins earlier than 1948 to check the article.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 4:17 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Laverton tramways

 



The Light Railways contents listing (available for download from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrr_downloads.html shows:

LR125 - Narrow Gauge Tramways at Prospect Reservoir. NSW - Jim Longworth

This magazine is available as a back issue from the LRRSA online shop at:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There was also an article in the ARHS Bulletin years ago:

Article Name: Fairfield to  Widemere Quarry Private Railway
ARHS Bulletin Vol 2 (Old), No 9, Jul 1938, p7
Author/Contributor Name: Singleton, CC
Comment: A  brief account of  a  6km line that carried rock from the Prospect Quarry
 to  Fairfield. Details of  2  locos used are given. 1  sketch map. IDENTIFIERS:
Non-Government Railways NSW / Construction Railways NSW / Sydney

Also an series in NSW Railway News:

Article Name: Private Railways - Prospect Quarry Line (4 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 5, Jun 1974
 
Article Name: Prospect Quarry Line, cont. (4 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 6, Jul 1974
 
Article Name: Prospect Quarry Branch, cont. (2 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 7, Aug 1974

Not really too much help.

John

On 3 January 2013 16:02, Marie and David Lowe <plateausedge@...> wrote:

 

[Attachment(s) from Marie and David Lowe included below]

Gidday all,

Nothing to do with the Laverton Tramways but seemed the simplest way of attaching a file other than putting it in my folder.

And there did not appear to be an obvious way of attaching in the 'start a new topic bit.'

Anyway.

A friend recently loaned me a photograph taken in 1929 of a locomotive working on the Prospect Reservoir quarry line.

Photo and inscription on reverse attached.

After a bit of Googling I see that this reservoir is part of Sydney's water supply but now virtually in suburbia.

Obvious question to all the knowledgeable people out there.

The make of the locomotive?

Anything more known about this line?

Cheers David.






Re: Laverton tramways [2 Attachments]

John Dennis
 

The Light Railways contents listing (available for download from http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrr_downloads.html shows:

LR125 - Narrow Gauge Tramways at Prospect Reservoir. NSW - Jim Longworth

This magazine is available as a back issue from the LRRSA online shop at:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There was also an article in the ARHS Bulletin years ago:

Article Name: Fairfield to  Widemere Quarry Private Railway
ARHS Bulletin Vol 2 (Old), No 9, Jul 1938, p7
Author/Contributor Name: Singleton, CC
Comment: A  brief account of  a  6km line that carried rock from the Prospect Quarry
 to  Fairfield. Details of  2  locos used are given. 1  sketch map. IDENTIFIERS:
Non-Government Railways NSW / Construction Railways NSW / Sydney

Also an series in NSW Railway News:

Article Name: Private Railways - Prospect Quarry Line (4 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 5, Jun 1974
 
Article Name: Prospect Quarry Line, cont. (4 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 6, Jul 1974
 
Article Name: Prospect Quarry Branch, cont. (2 )
NSW Railway News Vol 26, No 7, Aug 1974

Not really too much help.

John


On 3 January 2013 16:02, Marie and David Lowe <plateausedge@...> wrote:
 
[Attachment(s) from Marie and David Lowe included below]

Gidday all,
Nothing to do with the Laverton Tramways but seemed the simplest way of attaching a file other than putting it in my folder.
And there did not appear to be an obvious way of attaching in the 'start a new topic bit.'
Anyway.
A friend recently loaned me a photograph taken in 1929 of a locomotive working on the Prospect Reservoir quarry line.
Photo and inscription on reverse attached.
After a bit of Googling I see that this reservoir is part of Sydney's water supply but now virtually in suburbia.
Obvious question to all the knowledgeable people out there.
The make of the locomotive?
Anything more known about this line?
Cheers David.



Re: Laverton tramways

Marie and David Lowe
 

Gidday all,
Nothing to do with the Laverton Tramways but seemed the simplest way of attaching a file other than putting it in my folder.
And there did not appear to be an obvious way of attaching in the 'start a new topic bit.'
Anyway.
A friend recently loaned me a photograph taken in 1929 of a locomotive working on the Prospect Reservoir quarry line.
Photo and inscription on reverse attached.
After a bit of Googling I see that this reservoir is part of Sydney's water supply but now virtually in suburbia.
Obvious question to all the knowledgeable people out there.
The make of the locomotive?
Anything more known about this line?
Cheers David.


Re: Laverton tramways

Geoff
 

I have come across 2 of John Bucklands photos of the Altona explosives tram and wharf at the NLA website:

http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview/?pi=nla.pic-an24704856 
http://www.nla.gov.au/apps/cdview/?pi=nla.pic-an24705009



--- In LRRSA@..., "gould_scott" wrote:
>
> Good morning,
>
> On 9-10-12 winklergeoff posted a photo of a tramway map into the files section. The map shows the explosives tramway which ran from the up end of Laverton station, under a small bluestone bridge which carries the Geelong line, ( the bridge is now gone, but it was beside the current road/creek bridge near the softball stadium), then accross the Laverton creek floodplain to the Truganina explosives reserve, and pier. The line was horse drawn, and I believe the tramway closed in the early 1960's when the motive power died! None of the rollingstock survived locally, however a very similar wagon is on display at Illawarra Light Railway Museum.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott
>


dometic light railway inclines at Eastern View

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

Two of the three light railway inclines I observed at Eastern View along the Great Ocean Road recently.

 

They are domestic railways used for firewood and groceries.

 

Yours

 

Stephen



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Harwood Island Sugar Mill tv documentary

Hunslet
 

On 27/12 last, North Coast television station NBN produced a special documentary on the Harwood Island Sugar Mill.   A link to the programme is at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lczOCFdsd2c

 

Hunslet.


Re: Tramways on the Mornington Peninsula

Phil <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

Sorry for slow responce Michael but I've been a bit out of commission lately . . .

I can't speak of any tramways inland, however a check of my Victorian Jetty Tramway List shows the following.  Judging by some of the other posts I might have to revise it a bit, but for what it's worth . . .    (and before anyone says they are not all jetty tramways I will add they all relate to the movement of goods etc between land and sea, and thus include slipways, jetties, piers, wharfs and docks etc)

Port Phillip

Frankston – public jetty [*PWD drwg HWJ 3337 – Addn to jetty & tmy, 3346 – Tmy truck etc]

Mount Eliza – slipway from Ranelagh Club - Motor Boat Squadron boathouse abot 85m, 3ft 6ins ga.

Mornington – Mornington Yacht Club - traverser/slipway

Mornington (Schnapper Point) / Mount Martha / Osborne– Patent Septaria Cement Co. works jetty – incomplete at time of sale of works and tramway in 1863  [take your pick as to the location - it's astride the postcode boundary of Mornington and Mount Martha, however when built the place was generally called Schnapper Point.  Sometime after closure the area was sometimes known as Osborne. The spot is near today's mis-named Fossil Beach - well, I couldn't find any!]

Dromana – public jetty  [PWD drwg HWJ 3316, 3326 – Altn of Tmy, 3328 – Addn/Altn Tmy  etc]

Rosebud – public jetty

Rye (2 jetties) - public jetty; Tramway jetty – [PWD drwg HWJ 3713,22 etc]  see http://vhd.heritage.vic.gov.au/vhd/heritagevic#detail_ships;345  for details of a lime trade vessel wrecked here whilst loading.

Blairgowrie / Canterbury Road  [PWD drwg HWJ 3725 etc]

Blairgowrie – Yacht Club slipway [pre-1952 to present, 5ft 3ins, 212m length]

South Channel Fort – jetty and tram for coal to boiler room

Mud Islands – (a.k.a Flat Islands),  guano extraction [1860s]

Sorrentopublic jetty [PWD drwg HWJ 4011- 4055]  Narrow-gauge tram to near the Steam Tram. 

Portsea – (3 jetties) Victoria Lime and Cement Co. jetty; Duffy's lime kiln jetty; public jetty [PWD drwg HWJ 3734 etc]

Point Nepean/Portsea Quarantine station– jetty [PWD drwg HWJ 3748, 3751 etc]

Nepean Fort – jetty [PDW drwg HWJ 3750 etc]

Western Port

Flinders – public jetty. Blt 1870.  [PWD drwg HWJ 4261-4279]

Shoreham -  ?  "a timber industry, harvesting piles and sleepers, was established at Shoreham in the 1850s. . . . the timber was either floated out to waiting vessels or run out on temporary tramways" - Byrne, G. 1932 `Early days of the Mornington Peninsula' p.193

Flinders Naval Base – Torpedo School jetty

Sandy Point (Hann's Inlet) – public jetty  [PWD drwg HWJ 4419 etc]

"There was also a tramway, at least in the 1870s, to the jetty at Hanns Inlet and this may well have been used for transporting timber"  - 58 Victorian Government Gazette, September 5, 1873

Stony Point – public jetty  [PWD drwg HWJ 4416-18, 4420-23, 4427-4440]

Crib Point – "Woolley's jetty" Mornington Peninsula Shire HO322 Woolley's Cool Room, Woolley's Beach, Off The Esplanade, Crib Point.  "The cellar and land within nominally 5m of its perimeter, with emphasis on the fabric from or near the construction date c1903, plus any related fabric such as the jetty and tramline remnants."  www.mornpen.vic.gov.au/Documents/SE/PlanStrategic/43_01s_morn.pdf

Balnarring/Stony Creek – public jetty  [PWD drwg HWJ 4424-26]

Hastings public jetty [Are these two places one and the same, under different titles?]


Corrections and clarifications greatefully received.

cheers  Phil


John Dunn, Comeng author

Roderick Smith
 

The sad news of John's death has spread rapidly, via friendship circles and
hobby circles.
Following the ravages of motor-neurone disease for most of this year, John
died peacefully in hospital on 30.12. A private family burial will take
place soon.
There will be a thanksgiving service for John on Tues.15.1 at St Paul's
Anglican Church (Fullers Rd & View St, Chatswood, NSW), beginning at 13.00.

I am replying to most groups to which I subscribe, and to those friends who
passed the message to me.
Comeng was a major force in the postwar reequipment of Australian railways:
most/all systems received Comeng rollingstock. It was also a major force in
South Africa.

Here are photos of John with prominent people at the launching of the first
volume of the Comeng-history series (Tues.19.9.06), with backdrops of
vehicles made by Comeng:
http://tdu.to/44265.msg?sid=96876
From Dianna Budd, a photo of me in the queue for John to autograph my copy.

As with many people, I provided occasional assistance with minor research
questions, mainly associated with dates.
I fielded a request for a suitable photo for a front cover for volume 4 to
various of my contacts who would be likely to cover the theme desired, in
the right format, and to the sought technical standard.
Alas, I have two unanswered questions sitting in my in tray.
I don't know how far that work has progressed, and how easy/difficult it
would be for somebody else to pick up the reigns and see it through.

John was always a genial gentleman; it was a pleasure to help him, and he
brought important knowledge to a wider audience: the life and times of an
Australian design and manufacturing industry when Australia not only could
do it, Australia did do it.

Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Field Reports in "Light Railways" magazine

Terry
 


Thank you very much for publishing the link. I greatly enjoyed reading the field reports and look foward eagerly to more

Terry Boardman

 

--- In LRRSA@..., Frank Stamford wrote:
>
>
>> > http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LR227_Field_Report.pdf
> >
> > Contact details for the Field Reports editor are given near the start
> > of the pdf. Naturally the Field Reports Editor would be delighted to
> > receive contributions, and you do not have to be an LRRSA member to
> > contribute.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
>


Re: Mt Lyel Baldwin 0-6-0l

Mike Bickford <mikebickford@...>
 

Brian,
 
 
Cheers,
 
Mike Bickford
Murrumburrah Tramway
Harden  NSW
Australia
www.ritginc.org
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Mt Lyel Baldwin 0-6-0l

Brian,

End Note 8 of Jim Stokes' article on the Baldwins in Light Railways 228 says:

For drawings of the Baldwins see the article by Peter Manning in
Narrow Gauge Down Under, Issue 46, July 2012, pp. 43-47.

John

On 28 December 2012 13:45, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have a G/A drawing, or can they tell me where I can find a drawing of the Baldwin 0-6-0 loco's that ran on the Mt. Lyell railway? 
 

Brian
Qld. Aust.


Re: Mt Lyel Baldwin 0-6-0l

Brian <rallim56@...>
 

Thanks John.
 

Brian
Qld. Aust.

 


From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012 1:22 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Mt Lyel Baldwin 0-6-0l

Brian,

End Note 8 of Jim Stokes' article on the Baldwins in Light Railways 228 says:

For drawings of the Baldwins see the article by Peter Manning in
Narrow Gauge Down Under, Issue 46, July 2012, pp. 43-47.

John

On 28 December 2012 13:45, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have a G/A drawing, or can they tell me where I can find a drawing of the Baldwin 0-6-0 loco's that ran on the Mt. Lyell railway? 
 

Brian
Qld. Aust.

 

 


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Re: Mt Lyel Baldwin 0-6-0l

John Dennis
 

Brian,

End Note 8 of Jim Stokes' article on the Baldwins in Light Railways 228 says:

For drawings of the Baldwins see the article by Peter Manning in
Narrow Gauge Down Under, Issue 46, July 2012, pp. 43-47.

John


On 28 December 2012 13:45, Brian <rallim56@...> wrote:
 

Does anyone have a G/A drawing, or can they tell me where I can find a drawing of the Baldwin 0-6-0 loco's that ran on the Mt. Lyell railway? 
 

Brian
Qld. Aust.

 

 


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