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SW Victoria, Heywood/Portland Tramways.

g522y169 <jloughnan@...>

#438

I'm looking for any information on timber tramways in the
Heywood/Portland area of south west Victoria.  So far I have found
only two references for approved applications for tramways near
Heywood, one in 1885, the other 1886.

Fowler Jackshaft loco

Chas Bevan <bevac@...>

#437

In 1963 the General Manager of the Miller Machinery Co in South Melbourne showed me a narrow gauge cane loco that had been stored there for some years. In the gloom I missed that it was a jack shaft drive. I was advised later that it had been sold to Queensland and understood it was the loco now in the Sugar museum there.
Chas Bevan

Re: Coffee Pot (Newcastle) info

John Shoebridge

#436

Hi Group 
I have been off line for a day or so and maybe someone has answered the question re the history of  loco "Coffee Pot" but here goes again...

Built in  1887   by Hudson Bros at Redfern as the power unit of a combination tramcar.  Seated 60 passengers and weighes 8 tons.  It worked for Saywell's Estate and Tramway Coy between Rockdale and Brighton le Sands until the line was electrified in 1899.  The engine unit was then sold via Goninan to the Toronto Hotel and Tramway Coy for the line between Fassifern and Toronto. The fate of the passenger section is not recorded.  At that time its unusual  high pressure multi tubular boiler was replaced with a conventional single flue vertical and the engine converted from a quadruple expansion to  twin cylinder simple. 

When the Toronto Tramway was taken over by the Government around 1910 , "Coffee Pot"  went back to Goninan  and was soon sold to Thomas Howley to work the railway between Glenrock Colliery and The Junction. Laid aside around 1920 outside Howley's engine shed (where I can clearly remember it) the remains  were cut up sometime around 1949. 

I am researching the Glenrock line and would be most interested if anyone has anything else to add to the above.  

Re:  Sydney Soap and Candle Coy.. Tighes Hill, Newcastle ...  this works had a short branch off the Waratah Coal Coy (later Caledonian Collieries Ltd) line near Scholey Street. For many years (perhaps even to this day)  the remains of this siding could be seen in side of the cutting on the way to Morandoo. 

Regards 
John

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----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Rickard 
  To: LRRSA@... 
  Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:18 PM
  Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Coffee Pot (Newcastle) info

  --- In LRRSA@..., BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...> wrote:
  > 
  > Hi Jeff/all,
  > While I can't answer this question I would
  > like to extend it to ask what has become of the
  > proposed replica that was to be built at Toronto.
  > Is this project dead in the water like so many
  > others?
  > 
  > Thanks
  > Brad
  > 

  Brad et al,

  Things don't look good according to the Toronto Coffee Pot Tramway &
  Museum Society Inc. web site. http://home.kooee.com.au/ajl/cp/index.htm

  Latest update states: "At the July 2006 meeting of Directors of the
  TCPT&MS, it was decided that owing to the lack of support by various
  Government authorities, that the Society be wound up. To that end, the
  process of the disposal of assets has been initiated according to the
  Society's constitution."

  Looks like insurmountable problems due to some authority's requirement
  regarding clearance from an adjacent cycle path. 

  There is a chronology of events and a contact address for anyone
  interested. The society's web site is very interesting and given the
  above statement, may be on borrowed time . . . (i.e. view it while you
  can!)

  cheers Phil

Re: Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

John Dennis <jdennis@...>

#435

Michael,

One "lesser known" bit of information about the Fowler jackshaft loco
at Mourilyan is that it operated on South Australia's Eyre Peninsula,
being utilised during the construction of the Tod River reservoir. The
loco was built for Mourilyan in 1883, left there in 1913, and worked
on the peninsula from 1919 to 1921 when it was relocated to Adelaide.
It's a well-travelled little locomotive...

John

On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 11:19:45 -0000, "Michael J"
<thirtyinchfan@...> wrote:

I'm sure that everyone is aware of 2' gauge Fowler indirect jackshaft
drive locomotive in the sugar museum near Innisfail, formally in a
Melbourne scrap yard. I was under the impression that that was the
only one in Australia.

Re: Kerang - Koondrook

Frank Stamford

#434

You can be assured several people have tried ...

Frank

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At 10:21 PM 13/11/2006, you wrote:

--- In <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>LRRSA@..., "Bill Hanks" <bhanks@...> wrote:

Today I was talking with a gentleman today who said he has seen the old
Ford truck from the KK Tramway on a property near Elmore.As they say in the classics, someone "should" get it into a museum.

Cheers,

Michael

Waterloo Brickyards, Thornton

Iain

#433

�Also of interest to industrial archaeologist is the lovely panorama of
"Waterloo Brickyards, Thornton"

Unfortunately all this had been removed when I surveyed the area in the mid
1990�s.

Most of the brickworks in this area closed by the 1980s and have been
demolished and swallowed up by urban development leaving only the former
Turton�s Brickworks operating.

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Re: Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

Michael J

#432

Mark K wrote:

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Hi Michael,
The preserved sugar cane railway example is in fact an 0-4-2T, so we had
both 2-4-0T (Cobar et al) and 0-4-2T versions. There's a book on Hawaiian
sugar cane railways that has some great drawings of both wheel arrangements.
Hope that answers at least one of your questions!
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Aus

-

.

.
Cheers, Mark, and I took photos of that loco... Michael

Re: Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

Mark Trainbrain

#431

Hi Michael,
 The preserved sugar cane railway example is in fact an 0-4-2T, so we had
both 2-4-0T (Cobar et al) and 0-4-2T versions. There's a book on Hawaiian
sugar cane railways that has some great drawings of both wheel arrangements.
Hope that answers at least one of your questions!
Regards,
 Mark K
Sydney Aus

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-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On Behalf
Of Michael J
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 10:20 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: [LRRSA] Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

I'm sure that everyone is aware of 2' gauge Fowler indirect jackshaft
drive locomotive in the sugar museum near Innisfail, formally in a
Melbourne scrap yard. I was under the impression that that was the
only one in Australia.

Then I was browsing "Tall Timbers and Tramways" and there was a
picture of a 3'6" gauge version that was found on a couple of
Victorian timber tramways. And then that evening reading an article by
John Dennis in the latest issue of Narrow Gauge Downunder, there were
a whole swag of 2'6" gauge versions on the Cobar mine firewood tramways.

Now of course I've got a few questions, can anybody answer?

Were these half dozen the only ones in Australia? Were they all 2-4-0T
wheel arrangement? Were they all basicly the same design, even the
same size, just different gauges, or were they all unique designs?

They are sure interesting looking locos.

Cheers,

Michael Johnson

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Re: Central Coast

The Bickfords <womloc4@...>

#430

Hi Chris,

A pet interest of mine, having family holiday connections to Terrigal until the 1970's and working in the area in the early 1990's
I have a book here called 'The Brisbane Water Story, part three, Erina, Kincumber, Wamberal etc, written by C S Wanscott, published in 1954.
It has quite a detailed description of the timber getting around Terrigal and Avoca.
The timber mill at Terrigal was located at the Haven and was associated with a boat builder.  Some sawn timber was also taken to Sydney.
They had a horse hauled timber railed tramline that went from Avoca Lake up the ridge and then down to the mill at Terrigal.
Operated in the 1870-80 period (?) by a Mr Tom Davis who pioneered the use of turpentine logs for wharf piers.
Tramway Road was built in 1918 and followed approximately along the line of part of the old horse tram.

Central Park Railway was located about where the waterslides are located, maybe a bit south.
A Fowler and Simplex diesels plus some rollingstock sat by the road for many years.

cheers,
Mike Bickford
Berowra, Sydney, Australia
www.ritginc.org

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Stratton" <gm4201@...>
To: <LRRSA@...>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Central Coast

While I was on the NSW Central Coast on the weekend I read that there was a timber mill at Terrigal which had a tramway which ran towards North Avoca, there is a Tramway Ave at North Avoca which is on part of the route. Does anyone know where I could find more info?
I also drove past Forresters Beach about 6 times, where exactly was the Central Park Railway located? On the west side of the road just before the hill heading north up to Bateau Bay is a large retirement complex under construction, there are also some waterslides in behind there. Is this where it was?
On Sunday morning there were some markets in The Entrance and there were historical photos for sale. One was described as the original bridge at The Entrance under construction and it showed a timber deck with two pairs of steel rails running along it with points and a crossover between them. To me it looked more like a jetty, why would railway lines be laid on a timber bridge under constructon?

Regards,
Chris

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Re: Kerang - Koondrook

Michael J

#429

--- In LRRSA@..., "Bill Hanks" <bhanks@...> wrote:

Today I was talking with a gentleman today who said he has seen the old
Ford truck from the KK Tramway on a property near Elmore.
As they say in the classics, someone "should" get it into a museum.

Cheers,

Michael

Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

Michael J

#428

I'm sure that everyone is aware of 2' gauge Fowler indirect jackshaft
drive locomotive in the sugar museum near Innisfail, formally in a
Melbourne scrap yard. I was under the impression that that was the
only one in Australia.

Then I was browsing "Tall Timbers and Tramways" and there was a
picture of a 3'6" gauge version that was found on a couple of
Victorian timber tramways. And then that evening reading an article by
John Dennis in the latest issue of Narrow Gauge Downunder, there were
a whole swag of 2'6" gauge versions on the Cobar mine firewood tramways.

Now of course I've got a few questions, can anybody answer?

Were these half dozen the only ones in Australia? Were they all 2-4-0T
wheel arrangement? Were they all basicly the same design, even the
same size, just different gauges, or were they all unique designs?

They are sure interesting looking locos.

Cheers,

Michael Johnson

Tramway Notes - trawled on the web - 4

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>

#427

Sydney Soap and Candle Company Limited, Waratah, NSW.

Found these pics confirming above company's works had an internal
tramway. see:
http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/archives/mayfield/scholey_upfold/diary.html

Item A7768 (xi) Photographs, newsclippings and papers relating to the
Sydney Soap and Candle Company Limited works at Waratah, Newcastle
N.S.W., 1880 – 1984.

Also of interest to industrial archaeologist is the lovely panorama of
"Waterloo Brickyards, Thornton" and a fairly good copy of the weird
composite image of the Toronto "coffee pot" loco.

cheers  Phil

Central Coast

Chris Stratton

#426

While I was on the NSW Central Coast on the weekend I read that there was a timber mill at Terrigal which had a tramway which ran towards North Avoca, there is a Tramway Ave at North Avoca which is on part of the route. Does anyone know where I could find more info?
I also drove past Forresters Beach about 6 times, where exactly was the Central Park Railway located? On the west side of the road just before the hill heading north up to Bateau Bay is a large retirement complex under construction, there are also some waterslides in behind there. Is this where it was?
On Sunday morning there were some markets in The Entrance and there were historical photos for sale. One was described as the original bridge at The Entrance under construction and it showed a timber deck with two pairs of steel rails running along it with points and a crossover between them. To me it looked more like a jetty, why would railway lines be laid on a timber bridge under constructon?

Regards,
Chris

Re: Coffee Pot (Newcastle) info

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>

#425

--- In LRRSA@..., BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...> wrote:

Hi Jeff/all,
            While I can't answer this question I would
like to extend it to ask what has become of the
proposed replica that was to be built at Toronto.
  Is this project dead in the water like so many
others?

Thanks
Brad
Brad et al,

Things don't look good according to the Toronto Coffee Pot Tramway &
Museum Society Inc. web site. http://home.kooee.com.au/ajl/cp/index.htm

Latest update states: "At the July 2006 meeting of Directors of the
TCPT&MS, it was decided that owing to the lack of support by various
Government authorities, that the Society be wound up. To that end, the
process of the disposal of assets has been initiated according to the
Society's constitution."

Looks like insurmountable problems due to some authority's requirement
regarding clearance from an adjacent cycle path.

There is a chronology of events and a contact address for anyone
interested.  The society's web site is very interesting and given the
above statement, may be on borrowed time . . . (i.e. view it while you
can!)

cheers   Phil

Re: Kerang - Koondrook

bll_hnks

#424

Today I was talking with a gentleman today who said he has seen the old
Ford truck from the KK Tramway on a property near Elmore.

 

Regards,

Bill Hanks 



________________________________

From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...] On
Behalf Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 1:29 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kerang - Koondrook

 


Last Friday I met with a Kerang-Koondrook tramway expert and we were 
discussing the possibility of doing a book on the line.

Anyway he mentioned the crane incident with the railcar. Although the
crane 
(or its slings) collapsed there was very little damage to the railcar.
It 
consisted of a Ford semi-trailer truck attached to the tramway's
four-wheel 
passenger car . The purchaser used the passenger-car section as a shed,
and 
retained the Ford truck, but apparently did not use it. Both may still 
exist, but if so are probably in poor condition.

Regards,

Frank Stamford

At 10:05 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
Yesterday whilst speaking with a retired railway man and knowing thathe
worked in the greater Bendigo area, I asked what he remembered of the
Kerang to Koondrook tramway/railway.



He said that after the line was taken over by the railways, the
bus/truck vehicle was bought by a gentleman at Elmore. It was driven
from Kerang to Bendigo and turned for the trip to Elmore. A special
instruction was issued for the movement which was restricted to 10mph.
Once at Elmore the railway crane was used to lift is off the rails, but
sadly the slings broke and it crashed to the ground completely
destroying it. He was quite positive that it was a Ford truck with a
semi-trailer adapted for rail use.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



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Re: Kerang - Koondrook

Frank Stamford

#423

Last Friday I met with a Kerang-Koondrook tramway expert and we were discussing the possibility of doing a book on the line.

Anyway he mentioned the crane incident with the railcar. Although the crane (or its slings) collapsed there was very little damage to the railcar. It consisted of a Ford semi-trailer truck attached to the tramway's four-wheel passenger car . The purchaser used the passenger-car section as a shed, and retained the Ford truck, but apparently did not use it. Both may still exist, but if so are probably in poor condition.

Regards,

Frank Stamford

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At 10:05 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
Yesterday whilst speaking with a retired railway man and knowing that he
worked in the greater Bendigo area, I asked what he remembered of the
Kerang to Koondrook tramway/railway.

He said that after the line was taken over by the railways, the
bus/truck vehicle was bought by a gentleman at Elmore.  It was driven
from Kerang to Bendigo and turned for the trip to Elmore. A special
instruction was issued for the movement which was restricted to 10mph.
Once at Elmore the railway crane was used to lift is off the rails, but
sadly the slings broke and it crashed to the ground completely
destroying it.  He was quite positive that it was a Ford truck with a
semi-trailer adapted for rail use.

Regards,

Bill Hanks.

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Re: Was Arial Ropeways

Peter Robinson <pmwombat@...>

#422

Thanks Chris,
I hadn't considered that - may well be true.
The company's Fettling Ganger (mid 1980s) told me they were ex BBWs, and I 
just accepted that.
After they were removed from behind Medway village, the company started 
upgrading their Berrima Jct - Cement Works line. One or two of the hoppers 
were brought back into use, painted yellow, and used for ballasting the new 
work.

Peter Robinson

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Stratton" <gm4201@...>
To: <LRRSA@...>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Arial Ropeways

I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that the wagons were new to SPC, and were
copies of the BBW. Southern Portland Cement was formed in 1926 and the major
shareholders were Australian Iron & Steel and Howard Smith Ltd. A couple of
the wagons are at Port Kembla steelworks, still numbered SPCxx.
Regards,
Chris

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Re: Fairymead #1 at RVRM!

trent_pegler

#421

I was there on the Saturday working on the Mulbring Road Service all
day. Fairymead #1 was very popular with RVRM members and the general
public alike, with many taking the opportunity of having their photo
taken with it.

Trent Pegler

--- In LRRSA@..., BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...> wrote:

Hi all,
      Seems Fairymead #1 visited the Richmond Vale
Railway for the 'Friends Of Thomas' day (Sept 16-17).
  Obviously it didn't haul trains :-)

  Wish I had of known, I would have made an effort to
get there.


Regards
Brad

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Re: Arial Ropeways

Chris Stratton

#420

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From: "Peter Robinson" <pmwombat@...>
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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Arial Ropeways

Even'in All,
Please allow a newcomer to interject on this thread.

I lived for 20yrs at Moss Vale until moving to Wagga 'bout 4 yrs ago.

The colliery 'behind' Berrima is indeed the Medway Colliery, sharing the
name with the adjacent village. The colliery supplies coal to the Berrima
Cement Works to fire their cement kilns. There is a private railway from
Berrima Junction (about 2km Nth of Moss Vale) on the Main South, to the
colliery. The cement works lies about halfway along the private line. About
15 - 20 yrs ago the track between the cement works and colliery was removed.
Incidentally, prior to pulling up the track, several coal wagons had to be
removed from where they had stood for years on the track behind the houses
in Medway Village. They were pulled out of there in several trips by the
cement work's track maintenance team's Hi-rail Landcruiser. In those days,
my employment required me to make regular inspections of the cement works
line, believe me, the track to the colliery was in no fit state to take the
company's loco.
These wagons were ex NSWR BBW ballast hoppers with hungry boards about 1
metre high welded on the sides and ends to increase the capacity of the
wagons. The limestone quarry near Marulan is the South Marulan Quarry. It is
also served by a private railway from the Main South to a loading point
above the quarry.I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that the wagons were new to SPC, and were copies of the BBW. Southern Portland Cement was formed in 1926 and the major shareholders were Australian Iron & Steel and Howard Smith Ltd. A couple of the wagons are at Port Kembla steelworks, still numbered SPCxx.
Regards,
Chris

Fairymead #1 at RVRM!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>

#419

Hi all,
      Seems Fairymead #1 visited the Richmond Vale
Railway for the 'Friends Of Thomas' day (Sept 16-17).
  Obviously it didn't haul trains :-)

  Wish I had of known, I would have made an effort to
get there.


Regards
Brad

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