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LRRSA 50th Anniversary

gould_scott <sncs@...>
 

Hi All,

On Thursday 10th Feb. the regular Melbourne entertainment meeting featured a slide presentation of early tours and events dating pack to the foundation of the society. The hon. secretary, Phil Rickard had recently rediscovered minutes from the earliest days, and read some interesting entries including one meeting which began during school lunch time, and was suspended until the school day was completed.

The 30 or so people present then watched on as society founder Frank Stamford cut into a very tasty cake featuring a coloured print of "Little Yarra".

This should be the start of a great year for the society, with more activities and at least one publication planned to commemorate the milestone. I have put some photos in a file "LRRSA 50th anniversary album" in the photos section. Please feel free to add to this folder during the year as events take place.

Regards,

Scott


Re: Seeking photograph of last steam locomotive in timber service at Yarloop, WA

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Rod,

OK thanks for that. I will keep you in mind if I cannot get anything
closer to 1973.

Everything else being equal, I would prefer colour.

Regards,

Frank

On 21/02/2011 2:25 PM, rnveditor wrote:

Hi Frank,
I can do a Jan.69 Yarloop at short notice if needed: colour or b&w.

Regards,
Roderick

"Frank" <frank.stamford@...> wrote:
...The photograph does not have to have been taken in 1973, but should
be close to that date...


Re: Seeking photograph of last steam locomotive in timber service at Yarloop, WA

Roderick Smith
 

Hi Frank,
I can do a Jan.69 Yarloop at short notice if needed: colour or b&w.

Regards,
Roderick

"Frank" <frank.stamford@...> wrote:
...The photograph does not have to have been taken in 1973, but should be close to that date...


Seeking photograph of last steam locomotive in timber service at Yarloop, WA

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

For the LRRSA Fiftieth Anniversary book I am seeking a photograph of the last steam locomotive in timber service in WA. This was at Yarloop and ceased operations in 1973.

The photograph does not have to have been taken in 1973, but should be close to that date.

Hope somebody can help.

Regards,

Frank


Seeking photographs of New South Wales subjects for LRRSA Fiftieth Anniversay p

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

For the LRRSA Fiftieth Anniversary publication I am seeking photographs of the following activities:

1974 Last New South Wales sugar cane haulage (does not have to have been taken in 1974, but should be close to that date)

1978 LRRSA NSW Division visit to Katoomba 30 April

1980 LRRSA NSW Division visit to Lilyvale Mushrooms 27 January

1992 LRRSA NSW Division visit to Mount Victoria Chert Road Metal Incline 8 November

1994 LRRSA NSW Division visit to Craven Forest Railway 22 May

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Frank


Seeking photographs of Queensland subjects for LRRSA Fiftieth Anniversary public

Frank Stamford
 

Hello all,

I am now moving into panic mode in the process of collecting photographs for our Fiftieth Anniversary publication.

For Queensland the following would be much appreciated if anyone can provide them:

1972 First bogie diesel loco in sugar railway service – E.M Baldwin "Kilrie". Ideally the photograph should have been taken in 1972, but if not as close as possible to that date, and showing the loco in as delivered condition.

1981 Last steam operation at Millaquin (and it was also the last regular steam operation on an Australian sugar railway)

1988 LRRSA Qld Division visit to Laheys's Canungra Tramway (what was the date of this?)

2000 LRRSA SEQ Group visit to Neranwood (what was the date of this?)
or Bundy's Great Adventure (but the LRRSA activity would be preferable)

2001 LRRSA SEQ Group visit to Clive Plater's residence and Buderim Tramway (what was the date of this?)

2003 LRRSA SEQ Group visit to Mapleton Tramway (31 May)

In the case of the field trips, the ideal pictures would show people inspecting an interesting remnant of the tramway (such as earthworks).

Regards,

Frank


Re: Frankston Rail Accident

bll_hnks
 

G'day Chris,
That's great. Can you please send photo scans to direct me. No need for the text as we have an extract of the report into the accident.
Thank you in advance.
Regards,
Bill Hanks

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of gm4201
Sent: Friday, 18 February 2011 5:38 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Frankston Rail Accident



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au<mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>, "rnveditor" <rodsmith@...> wrote:

Sep.75 Newsrail p194 (Herald Sun) & 195 (Ian Morrison) photos, plus p214 news item.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

On June the 10th of June 1975 an Up goods train hauled by B69 got out of control descending the Langwarrin bank into Frankston...
I've found the photos, I'll scan them as soon as I can. I also have faded copies of articles from the Melbourne Sun and the Melbourne Age, both on 11th June 1975. I have a print of the photo used with the Age story, I have 1 of the 2 photos used in the Sun. I'll retype the text of the 2 stories if you want it.

Regards,
Chris.


Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

That is interesting you have a record of the No. 6 Grab.

Serial number 951 would probably be about 1925, No. 6 shovel number 818 was October 1923, and numer 1128 was January 1927.

Would you be able to send me a copy or scan of the photo please?

Yours

Stephen





To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 10:46:45 +0000
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel






Thanks fpr this additional information. The 5' 3" gauge steam railway crane No.6 was Ruston & Hornsby 'Ruston Crane Navvy' 951 and had a normal crane jib with a coal grab. In January 1965 it was dumped on a length of track, together with steam shovel No.3, 'Ruston Crane Navvy' 698, so I was able to photograph the pair.

Regards,

Richard

--- On Sun, 20/2/11, Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
To: "Light Railways yahoo group" <lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 5:11



There were two large Crawler mounted shovels at the Fyansford Cement works, Batesford quary.

One is preservered in operating order at Lake Goldsmith, the other one was taken to Sydney, and as far as I know is still dismantled there. The Bucyrus rail mounted shovel has been discussed, and apparently, at some stage they also had a Ruston number 6 rail mounted shovel (but probably with a clamshell attachment). This about a 25 ton working weight machine, and was used to unload coal from the Victorian Railways siding for use as fuel in the cement kilns and for the steam plant.

The Ruston No. 6 is a full slew machine which looks like a smaller version of the large crawler shovel at Lake Goldsmith.

Yours

Stephen

To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

From: bill.russell@optusnet.com.au

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:05:28 +1100

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

G'day All,

There were at bleast two steam shovels at Fyansford. One I saw was on caterpillar

tracks. I guess that this is the one I saw last year at Lake Goldsmith.

There was another (out of use when I saw it) stored (abandioned) alsonside the 3'6"

track. I remember that this appeared to be rail mounted.

Regards,

Bill Russell

On 19 Feb 2011 at 15:38, Stephen Percy Larcombe wrote:

There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has
a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.
It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland
some where.
It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.
It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works
compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has
now is also different. The cement works fitted it with a new boiler
(or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a
overburden heap. It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble
the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air,
as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox. The bucket and
dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got
scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.
This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted
shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways
behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other
examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for
transport.
The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed
down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some
stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other
jacks we welded to prevent removal.
Some details are:
for operating needed
1 driver on slew
1 driver on crowd
1 Fireman
4 on ground
last used on steam in 1951
last used on compressed air in 1966
Can lift 20 ton
67 ton working weight
Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel
bucket weighed about 3 ton
there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to
the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.
The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")
It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation
Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.
Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working
recently.
The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:
1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam
shovel.
But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.
Yours
Stephen
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out
of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on
two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels
(manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously
dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from
the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the
Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a
photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not
the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford
shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard
gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and
would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge
and, more importantly, supply details of its history.
Richard Horne
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Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

rthorne475
 

Thanks fpr this additional information.  The 5' 3" gauge steam railway crane No.6  was Ruston & Hornsby 'Ruston Crane Navvy' 951 and had a normal crane jib with a coal grab.  In January 1965 it was dumped on a length of track, together with steam shovel No.3, 'Ruston Crane Navvy' 698, so I was able to photograph the pair.

Regards,

Richard

--- On Sun, 20/2/11, Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
To: "Light Railways yahoo group" <lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: Sunday, 20 February, 2011, 5:11







 











There were two large Crawler mounted shovels at the Fyansford Cement works, Batesford quary.



One is preservered in operating order at Lake Goldsmith, the other one was taken to Sydney, and as far as I know is still dismantled there. The Bucyrus rail mounted shovel has been discussed, and apparently, at some stage they also had a Ruston number 6 rail mounted shovel (but probably with a clamshell attachment). This about a 25 ton working weight machine, and was used to unload coal from the Victorian Railways siding for use as fuel in the cement kilns and for the steam plant.

The Ruston No. 6 is a full slew machine which looks like a smaller version of the large crawler shovel at Lake Goldsmith.



Yours



Stephen





To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

From: bill.russell@optusnet.com.au

Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:05:28 +1100

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel



G'day All,



There were at bleast two steam shovels at Fyansford. One I saw was on caterpillar

tracks. I guess that this is the one I saw last year at Lake Goldsmith.



There was another (out of use when I saw it) stored (abandioned) alsonside the 3'6"

track. I remember that this appeared to be rail mounted.



Regards,

Bill Russell



On 19 Feb 2011 at 15:38, Stephen Percy Larcombe wrote:



There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has
a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.
It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland
some where.
It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.
It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works
compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has
now is also different. The cement works fitted it with a new boiler
(or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a
overburden heap. It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble
the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air,
as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox. The bucket and
dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got
scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.
This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted
shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways
behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other
examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for
transport.
The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed
down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some
stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other
jacks we welded to prevent removal.
Some details are:
for operating needed
1 driver on slew
1 driver on crowd
1 Fireman
4 on ground
last used on steam in 1951
last used on compressed air in 1966
Can lift 20 ton
67 ton working weight
Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel
bucket weighed about 3 ton
there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to
the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.
The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")
It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation
Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.
Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working
recently.
The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:
1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam
shovel.
But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.
Yours
Stephen
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out
of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on
two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels
(manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously
dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from
the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the
Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a
photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not
the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford
shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard
gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and
would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge
and, more importantly, supply details of its history.
Richard Horne
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Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

There were two large Crawler mounted shovels at the Fyansford Cement works, Batesford quary.

One is preservered in operating order at Lake Goldsmith, the other one was taken to Sydney, and as far as I know is still dismantled there. The Bucyrus rail mounted shovel has been discussed, and apparently, at some stage they also had a Ruston number 6 rail mounted shovel (but probably with a clamshell attachment). This about a 25 ton working weight machine, and was used to unload coal from the Victorian Railways siding for use as fuel in the cement kilns and for the steam plant.
The Ruston No. 6 is a full slew machine which looks like a smaller version of the large crawler shovel at Lake Goldsmith.

Yours

Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: bill.russell@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 11:05:28 +1100
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel






G'day All,

There were at bleast two steam shovels at Fyansford. One I saw was on caterpillar
tracks. I guess that this is the one I saw last year at Lake Goldsmith.

There was another (out of use when I saw it) stored (abandioned) alsonside the 3'6"
track. I remember that this appeared to be rail mounted.

Regards,
Bill Russell

On 19 Feb 2011 at 15:38, Stephen Percy Larcombe wrote:


There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has
a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.

It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland
some where.

It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.

It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works
compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has
now is also different. The cement works fitted it with a new boiler
(or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a
overburden heap. It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble
the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air,
as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox. The bucket and
dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got
scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.

This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted
shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways
behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other
examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for
transport.

The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed
down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some
stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other
jacks we welded to prevent removal.

Some details are:
for operating needed
1 driver on slew
1 driver on crowd
1 Fireman
4 on ground
last used on steam in 1951
last used on compressed air in 1966
Can lift 20 ton
67 ton working weight
Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel
bucket weighed about 3 ton

there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to
the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.

The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")

It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation
Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.
Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working
recently.

The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:
1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam
shovel.
But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.

Yours

Stephen


To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel






In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out
of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on
two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels
(manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously
dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from
the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the
Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a
photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not
the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford
shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard
gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and
would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge
and, more importantly, supply details of its history.

Richard Horne





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NSW PWD number 20

John Browning
 

The NSW Public Works Department (PWD) had a very interesting collection of
industrial locomotives in its roster over the years.



Among these was number 20, a standard gauge steam locomotive that is alleged
to have been at Iluka on Clarence River works by 1897 and later at Port
Kembla.



Ken McCarthy's Illawarra Gazetteer says that it was Hudswell Clarke 255 and
contains a photo he says is of it. In fact the photo appears to be of PWD
25, a Vale & Lacy ex NSWGR N(67) class 0-6-0T (which was reputedly also
employed on Clarence River works) and a Manning Wardle 0-6-0ST.



Hudswell Clarke 255 of 1884 was an 0-6-0ST delivered to David Davies & Co,
Ocean Collieries, Treorchy, Glamorgan, Wales, named HERCULES. The Industrial
Railway Society Handbook says it was there until scrapped in 1934. Although
a few British second-hand industrial locomotives were resold for use in
Australia, I'd be interested to know what evidence there is for this one.



Is there a reliable roster of NSW PWD locomotives available?



John






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Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

rthorne475
 

Thank you, Stephen. 
Regards, Richard

--- On Sat, 19/2/11, Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
To: "Light Railways yahoo group" <lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au>
Date: Saturday, 19 February, 2011, 23:29







 











Yes, the earliest photo still show the rigid beam, it is certainly an original part of the shovel.



Yours



Stephen





To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:26:51 +0000

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel



Stephen,



Thank you very much for this information. I knew someone out there would be able to help. I photographed the boiler and noted that it was clearly not original, having a very 'British' design of smokebox; presumably ex VR, if fitted at Fyansford. Does the photo of the shovel in its original condition show the rigid the 19ft cross beam, or was this a later modification, possibly when it was converted for use as a crane? The construction date of 1903 that you quote certainly fits in with the later date of 1902 on the wheels.



My thanks, also, to Jeff Mullier.



Regards,



Richard Horne



Sat, 19/2/11, Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com> wrote:



From: Stephen Percy Larcombe

<splarcombe@hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

To: lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au

Date: Saturday, 19 February, 2011, 15:38



There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.



It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland some where.



It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.



It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has now is also different.



The cement works fitted it with a new boiler (or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a overburden heap.



It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air, as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox.



The bucket and dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.



This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for transport.



The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other jacks we welded to prevent removal.



Some details are:



for operating needed



1 driver on slew



1 driver on crowd



1 Fireman



4 on ground



last used on steam in 1951



last used on compressed air in 1966



Can lift 20 ton



67 ton working weight



Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel



bucket weighed about 3 ton



there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.



The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")



It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.



Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working recently.



The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:



1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam shovel.



But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.



Yours



Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au



From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk



Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000



Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel



In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels (manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge and, more importantly, supply details of its history.



Richard Horne



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Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

Bill Russell
 

G'day All,

There were at bleast two steam shovels at Fyansford. One I saw was on caterpillar
tracks. I guess that this is the one I saw last year at Lake Goldsmith.

There was another (out of use when I saw it) stored (abandioned) alsonside the 3'6"
track. I remember that this appeared to be rail mounted.

Regards,
Bill Russell

On 19 Feb 2011 at 15:38, Stephen Percy Larcombe wrote:


There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has
a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.

It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland
some where.

It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.

It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works
compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has
now is also different. The cement works fitted it with a new boiler
(or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a
overburden heap. It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble
the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air,
as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox. The bucket and
dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got
scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.

This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted
shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways
behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other
examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for
transport.

The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed
down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some
stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other
jacks we welded to prevent removal.

Some details are:
for operating needed
1 driver on slew
1 driver on crowd
1 Fireman
4 on ground
last used on steam in 1951
last used on compressed air in 1966
Can lift 20 ton
67 ton working weight
Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel
bucket weighed about 3 ton

there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to
the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.

The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")

It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation
Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.
Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working
recently.

The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:
1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam
shovel.
But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.

Yours

Stephen


To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel






In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out
of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on
two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels
(manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously
dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from
the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the
Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a
photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not
the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford
shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard
gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and
would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge
and, more importantly, supply details of its history.

Richard Horne









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Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

Yes, the earliest photo still show the rigid beam, it is certainly an original part of the shovel.

Yours

Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 21:26:51 +0000
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel






Stephen,

Thank you very much for this information. I knew someone out there would be able to help. I photographed the boiler and noted that it was clearly not original, having a very 'British' design of smokebox; presumably ex VR, if fitted at Fyansford. Does the photo of the shovel in its original condition show the rigid the 19ft cross beam, or was this a later modification, possibly when it was converted for use as a crane? The construction date of 1903 that you quote certainly fits in with the later date of 1902 on the wheels.

My thanks, also, to Jeff Mullier.

Regards,

Richard Horne

Sat, 19/2/11, Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Stephen Percy Larcombe
<splarcombe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
To: lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Saturday, 19 February, 2011, 15:38



There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.

It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland some where.

It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.

It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has now is also different.

The cement works fitted it with a new boiler (or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a overburden heap.

It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air, as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox.

The bucket and dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.

This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for transport.

The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other jacks we welded to prevent removal.

Some details are:

for operating needed

1 driver on slew

1 driver on crowd

1 Fireman

4 on ground

last used on steam in 1951

last used on compressed air in 1966

Can lift 20 ton

67 ton working weight

Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel

bucket weighed about 3 ton

there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.

The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")

It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.

Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working recently.

The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:

1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam shovel.

But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.

Yours

Stephen

To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000

Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels (manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge and, more importantly, supply details of its history.

Richard Horne



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Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

rthorne475
 

Stephen,

Thank you very much for this information.  I knew someone out there would be able to help.  I photographed the boiler and noted that it was clearly not original, having a very 'British' design of smokebox; presumably ex VR, if fitted at Fyansford.  Does the photo of the shovel in its original condition show the rigid the 19ft cross beam, or was this a later modification, possibly when it was converted for use as a crane?  The construction date of 1903 that you quote certainly fits in with the later date of 1902 on the wheels.

My thanks, also, to Jeff Mullier.

Regards,

Richard Horne

 Sat, 19/2/11, Stephen Percy Larcombe <splarcombe@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Stephen Percy Larcombe
<splarcombe@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel
To: lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Saturday, 19 February, 2011, 15:38







 











There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.



It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland some where.



It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.



It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has now is also different.

The cement works fitted it with a new boiler (or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a overburden heap.

It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air, as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox.

The bucket and dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.



This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for transport.



The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other jacks we welded to prevent removal.



Some details are:

for operating needed

1 driver on slew

1 driver on crowd

1 Fireman

4 on ground

last used on steam in 1951

last used on compressed air in 1966

Can lift 20 ton

67 ton working weight

Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel

bucket weighed about 3 ton



there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.



The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")



It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.

Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working recently.



The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:

1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam shovel.

But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.



Yours



Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au

From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk

Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000

Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel



In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels (manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge and, more importantly, supply details of its history.



Richard Horne

































[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

Jeff Mullier
 

Richard,

I suspect that this shovel has been preserved & is now at Lake Goldsmith (I know no more than this sorry).

Regards
Jeff Mullier

----- Original Message -----
From: richard
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:51 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel



In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels (manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge and, more importantly, supply details of its history.

Richard Horne


Re: Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

There is a book "Bucyrus Making the Earth Move for 125 Years" that has a picture of this shovel working at Mount Morgan.

It apparently left Mount Morgan and dug a railway line in Queensland some where.

It was then aquired by the Cement Works at Fyansford.

It has had a different roof on it in early photos at the cement works compared to the roof that it had at Mount Morgan, and the roof it has now is also different.
The cement works fitted it with a new boiler (or at least another boiler), the original boiler is some where in a overburden heap.
It was last used as a crane in the 1960's to assemble the new diesel shovels, but at this time it was run on compressed air, as the boiler had developed a crack in the firebox.
The bucket and dipper were removed at this time, and unfortunately the both got scrapped along with all he spare rail that belongs with it.

This shovel is a little bit different to most of the Rail Mounted shovel in that there is a 19 foot wide rigid beam running cross ways behind the front bogie to support the side outriger jacks. Most other examples had swinging outriggers that would fold out of the way for transport.

The front screw down jack, in front of the front bogie that screwed down onto the sleepers between the tracks had gone missing at some stage (probably stolen for the bronze), so the bolts on the other jacks we welded to prevent removal.

Some details are:
for operating needed
1 driver on slew
1 driver on crowd
1 Fireman
4 on ground
last used on steam in 1951
last used on compressed air in 1966
Can lift 20 ton
67 ton working weight
Dipper stick was wood sheathed with steel
bucket weighed about 3 ton

there was also a team of men with crowbars to bar the track closer to the working face as the shovel moved back and forth.

The shovel is standard gauge (4' 8 1/2")

It has recently been rescured by Lake Goldsmith Steam Preservation Society, and was partly dismantled and moved there last year.
Apparently the have had one of the steam engine on the shovel working recently.

The Steam Shovel Register website list this shovel as:
1903 vintage Bucyrus model 65C rail mounted non-rotating steam shovel.
But I am not sure where they got the information and model from.

Yours

Stephen


To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
From: rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 14:51:25 +0000
Subject: [LRRSA] Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel






In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels (manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge and, more importantly, supply details of its history.

Richard Horne


Fyansford Cement Works Bucyrus steam shovel

rthorne475
 

In the 1960s, beside the line to the old quarry, there was stored out of use a large rail mounted Bucyrus steam shovel. It was carried on two diamond frame bogies and the chilled cast iron wheels (manufactured by tthe Griffith Wheel Co., Chicago) were variously dated 1900 and 1902. At the time, I assumed that this had come from the Wallaroo & Moonta Mines, in South Australia, along with the Hudswell Clarke 0-4-2STs, nos. 5 to 9, in 1924. However, now I have a photo of the steam shovel used at Moonta, I can see that it was not the same machine. I have since read somewhere, that the Fyansford shovel came from the Mt Morgan Mines in Queensland and was standard gauge. I failed to measure the gauge of the shovel at Fyansford and would be grateful if any member can advise if it was standard gauge and, more importantly, supply details of its history.

Richard Horne


Re: Frankston Rail Accident

Bill
 

Hi Chris,

Thanks for the prompt reply.

They worked perfectly for me today.

Cheers,
Bill

--- On Fri, 18/2/11, Chris Stratton <gm4201@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

From: Chris Stratton <gm4201@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re: Frankston Rail Accident
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Received: Friday, 18 February, 2011, 9:42 PM

Works for me.
Try right clicking on the file and then "Save Target As" and save it on your
desktop and then open it locally. You're still only downloading it once. If
it still doesn't work let me know and I can e-mail them to you.

Regards,
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Bill Daniels
Sent: Friday, 18 February 2011 10:07 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re: Frankston Rail Accident

Hi Chris,
I've tried to look in your files, but each one says "no document found" when
I try to open them.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Bill



The photos are in my folder in the Files section
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/files/Chris%20S/
They are Frankston1 to Frankston6. No 1 is stamped "Copyright The Age" on
the back, the other 5 are stamped "Koala Studios 1 Seaford Road Seaford
3198"

Regards,
Chris


Re: Frankston Rail Accident

kcekeith
 

G'day all

I have added 10 scanned images of the Frankston crash into the "Keith P" photo folder.
http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/1421445145/pic/list


Regards

Keith P
CFA Photographer

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Hanks
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2011 8:37 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Frankston Rail Accident



Gentlemen,

This is a bit of topic, but someone out there may be able to help me.

On June the 10th of June 1975 an Up goods train hauled by B69 got out of control descending the Langwarrin bank into Frankston (Victoria). As a consequence it ran into a the Hitachi suburban train sitting in the platform. Luckily station staff heard the driver whistling that he was in trouble and the few passengers on the train got out in time. The resulting damage was spectacular in that the rear carriage of the Hitachi train, 27M, bent upwards just behind the first doors, pushing it up into the overhead wires.

Since this accident, written procedures have been in place that forbid a train to be signalled into Frankston unless it has a clear path all the way through the station.

I am looking for a copy of any of the photographs taken at the time that appeared in newspapers and magazines. I would be very grateful if someone could scan and email it to me as soon as you can. With alterations soon to be made at Frankston, a copy of a photo of this accident would be useful.

Regards,

Bill Hanks.

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