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Re: Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

Mark Trainbrain
 

Hi Michael,
The preserved sugar cane railway example is in fact an 0-4-2T, so we had
both 2-4-0T (Cobar et al) and 0-4-2T versions. There's a book on Hawaiian
sugar cane railways that has some great drawings of both wheel arrangements.
Hope that answers at least one of your questions!
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Aus

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Of Michael J
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 10:20 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

I'm sure that everyone is aware of 2' gauge Fowler indirect jackshaft
drive locomotive in the sugar museum near Innisfail, formally in a
Melbourne scrap yard. I was under the impression that that was the
only one in Australia.

Then I was browsing "Tall Timbers and Tramways" and there was a
picture of a 3'6" gauge version that was found on a couple of
Victorian timber tramways. And then that evening reading an article by
John Dennis in the latest issue of Narrow Gauge Downunder, there were
a whole swag of 2'6" gauge versions on the Cobar mine firewood tramways.

Now of course I've got a few questions, can anybody answer?

Were these half dozen the only ones in Australia? Were they all 2-4-0T
wheel arrangement? Were they all basicly the same design, even the
same size, just different gauges, or were they all unique designs?

They are sure interesting looking locos.

Cheers,

Michael Johnson





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Re: Central Coast

The Bickfords <womloc4@...>
 

Hi Chris,

A pet interest of mine, having family holiday connections to Terrigal until the 1970's and working in the area in the early 1990's
I have a book here called 'The Brisbane Water Story, part three, Erina, Kincumber, Wamberal etc, written by C S Wanscott, published in 1954.
It has quite a detailed description of the timber getting around Terrigal and Avoca.
The timber mill at Terrigal was located at the Haven and was associated with a boat builder. Some sawn timber was also taken to Sydney.
They had a horse hauled timber railed tramline that went from Avoca Lake up the ridge and then down to the mill at Terrigal.
Operated in the 1870-80 period (?) by a Mr Tom Davis who pioneered the use of turpentine logs for wharf piers.
Tramway Road was built in 1918 and followed approximately along the line of part of the old horse tram.

Central Park Railway was located about where the waterslides are located, maybe a bit south.
A Fowler and Simplex diesels plus some rollingstock sat by the road for many years.

cheers,
Mike Bickford
Berowra, Sydney, Australia
www.ritginc.org

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Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:34 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Central Coast


While I was on the NSW Central Coast on the weekend I read that there was a timber mill at Terrigal which had a tramway which ran towards North Avoca, there is a Tramway Ave at North Avoca which is on part of the route. Does anyone know where I could find more info?
I also drove past Forresters Beach about 6 times, where exactly was the Central Park Railway located? On the west side of the road just before the hill heading north up to Bateau Bay is a large retirement complex under construction, there are also some waterslides in behind there. Is this where it was?
On Sunday morning there were some markets in The Entrance and there were historical photos for sale. One was described as the original bridge at The Entrance under construction and it showed a timber deck with two pairs of steel rails running along it with points and a crossover between them. To me it looked more like a jetty, why would railway lines be laid on a timber bridge under constructon?

Regards,
Chris





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Re: Kerang - Koondrook

Michael J
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Bill Hanks" <bhanks@...> wrote:

Today I was talking with a gentleman today who said he has seen the old
Ford truck from the KK Tramway on a property near Elmore.

As they say in the classics, someone "should" get it into a museum.

Cheers,

Michael


Fowler indirect jackshaft drive locomotives

Michael J
 

I'm sure that everyone is aware of 2' gauge Fowler indirect jackshaft
drive locomotive in the sugar museum near Innisfail, formally in a
Melbourne scrap yard. I was under the impression that that was the
only one in Australia.

Then I was browsing "Tall Timbers and Tramways" and there was a
picture of a 3'6" gauge version that was found on a couple of
Victorian timber tramways. And then that evening reading an article by
John Dennis in the latest issue of Narrow Gauge Downunder, there were
a whole swag of 2'6" gauge versions on the Cobar mine firewood tramways.

Now of course I've got a few questions, can anybody answer?

Were these half dozen the only ones in Australia? Were they all 2-4-0T
wheel arrangement? Were they all basicly the same design, even the
same size, just different gauges, or were they all unique designs?

They are sure interesting looking locos.

Cheers,

Michael Johnson


Tramway Notes - trawled on the web - 4

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

Sydney Soap and Candle Company Limited, Waratah, NSW.

Found these pics confirming above company's works had an internal
tramway. see:
http://www.newcastle.edu.au/service/archives/mayfield/scholey_upfold/diary.html

Item A7768 (xi) Photographs, newsclippings and papers relating to the
Sydney Soap and Candle Company Limited works at Waratah, Newcastle
N.S.W., 1880 – 1984.

Also of interest to industrial archaeologist is the lovely panorama of
"Waterloo Brickyards, Thornton" and a fairly good copy of the weird
composite image of the Toronto "coffee pot" loco.

cheers Phil


Central Coast

Chris Stratton
 

While I was on the NSW Central Coast on the weekend I read that there was a timber mill at Terrigal which had a tramway which ran towards North Avoca, there is a Tramway Ave at North Avoca which is on part of the route. Does anyone know where I could find more info?
I also drove past Forresters Beach about 6 times, where exactly was the Central Park Railway located? On the west side of the road just before the hill heading north up to Bateau Bay is a large retirement complex under construction, there are also some waterslides in behind there. Is this where it was?
On Sunday morning there were some markets in The Entrance and there were historical photos for sale. One was described as the original bridge at The Entrance under construction and it showed a timber deck with two pairs of steel rails running along it with points and a crossover between them. To me it looked more like a jetty, why would railway lines be laid on a timber bridge under constructon?

Regards,
Chris


Re: Coffee Pot (Newcastle) info

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...> wrote:

Hi Jeff/all,
While I can't answer this question I would
like to extend it to ask what has become of the
proposed replica that was to be built at Toronto.
Is this project dead in the water like so many
others?

Thanks
Brad
Brad et al,

Things don't look good according to the Toronto Coffee Pot Tramway &
Museum Society Inc. web site. http://home.kooee.com.au/ajl/cp/index.htm

Latest update states: "At the July 2006 meeting of Directors of the
TCPT&MS, it was decided that owing to the lack of support by various
Government authorities, that the Society be wound up. To that end, the
process of the disposal of assets has been initiated according to the
Society's constitution."

Looks like insurmountable problems due to some authority's requirement
regarding clearance from an adjacent cycle path.

There is a chronology of events and a contact address for anyone
interested. The society's web site is very interesting and given the
above statement, may be on borrowed time . . . (i.e. view it while you
can!)

cheers Phil


Re: Kerang - Koondrook

bll_hnks
 

Today I was talking with a gentleman today who said he has seen the old
Ford truck from the KK Tramway on a property near Elmore.



Regards,

Bill Hanks



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Behalf Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kerang - Koondrook




Last Friday I met with a Kerang-Koondrook tramway expert and we were
discussing the possibility of doing a book on the line.

Anyway he mentioned the crane incident with the railcar. Although the
crane
(or its slings) collapsed there was very little damage to the railcar.
It
consisted of a Ford semi-trailer truck attached to the tramway's
four-wheel
passenger car . The purchaser used the passenger-car section as a shed,
and
retained the Ford truck, but apparently did not use it. Both may still
exist, but if so are probably in poor condition.

Regards,

Frank Stamford

At 10:05 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
Yesterday whilst speaking with a retired railway man and knowing that
he
worked in the greater Bendigo area, I asked what he remembered of the
Kerang to Koondrook tramway/railway.



He said that after the line was taken over by the railways, the
bus/truck vehicle was bought by a gentleman at Elmore. It was driven
from Kerang to Bendigo and turned for the trip to Elmore. A special
instruction was issued for the movement which was restricted to 10mph.
Once at Elmore the railway crane was used to lift is off the rails, but
sadly the slings broke and it crashed to the ground completely
destroying it. He was quite positive that it was a Ford truck with a
semi-trailer adapted for rail use.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



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Re: Kerang - Koondrook

Frank Stamford
 

Last Friday I met with a Kerang-Koondrook tramway expert and we were discussing the possibility of doing a book on the line.

Anyway he mentioned the crane incident with the railcar. Although the crane (or its slings) collapsed there was very little damage to the railcar. It consisted of a Ford semi-trailer truck attached to the tramway's four-wheel passenger car . The purchaser used the passenger-car section as a shed, and retained the Ford truck, but apparently did not use it. Both may still exist, but if so are probably in poor condition.

Regards,

Frank Stamford

At 10:05 AM 8/11/2006, you wrote:
Yesterday whilst speaking with a retired railway man and knowing that he
worked in the greater Bendigo area, I asked what he remembered of the
Kerang to Koondrook tramway/railway.



He said that after the line was taken over by the railways, the
bus/truck vehicle was bought by a gentleman at Elmore. It was driven
from Kerang to Bendigo and turned for the trip to Elmore. A special
instruction was issued for the movement which was restricted to 10mph.
Once at Elmore the railway crane was used to lift is off the rails, but
sadly the slings broke and it crashed to the ground completely
destroying it. He was quite positive that it was a Ford truck with a
semi-trailer adapted for rail use.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



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Re: Was Arial Ropeways

Peter Robinson <pmwombat@...>
 

Thanks Chris,
I hadn't considered that - may well be true.
The company's Fettling Ganger (mid 1980s) told me they were ex BBWs, and I
just accepted that.
After they were removed from behind Medway village, the company started
upgrading their Berrima Jct - Cement Works line. One or two of the hoppers
were brought back into use, painted yellow, and used for ballasting the new
work.

Peter Robinson

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Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Arial Ropeways


I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that the wagons were new to SPC, and were
copies of the BBW. Southern Portland Cement was formed in 1926 and the major
shareholders were Australian Iron & Steel and Howard Smith Ltd. A couple of
the wagons are at Port Kembla steelworks, still numbered SPCxx.
Regards,
Chris



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Re: Fairymead #1 at RVRM!

trent_pegler
 

I was there on the Saturday working on the Mulbring Road Service all
day. Fairymead #1 was very popular with RVRM members and the general
public alike, with many taking the opportunity of having their photo
taken with it.

Trent Pegler

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Hi all,
Seems Fairymead #1 visited the Richmond Vale
Railway for the 'Friends Of Thomas' day (Sept 16-17).
Obviously it didn't haul trains :-)

Wish I had of known, I would have made an effort to
get there.


Regards
Brad

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Re: Arial Ropeways

Chris Stratton
 

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Arial Ropeways


Even'in All,
Please allow a newcomer to interject on this thread.

I lived for 20yrs at Moss Vale until moving to Wagga 'bout 4 yrs ago.

The colliery 'behind' Berrima is indeed the Medway Colliery, sharing the
name with the adjacent village. The colliery supplies coal to the Berrima
Cement Works to fire their cement kilns. There is a private railway from
Berrima Junction (about 2km Nth of Moss Vale) on the Main South, to the
colliery. The cement works lies about halfway along the private line. About
15 - 20 yrs ago the track between the cement works and colliery was removed.
Incidentally, prior to pulling up the track, several coal wagons had to be
removed from where they had stood for years on the track behind the houses
in Medway Village. They were pulled out of there in several trips by the
cement work's track maintenance team's Hi-rail Landcruiser. In those days,
my employment required me to make regular inspections of the cement works
line, believe me, the track to the colliery was in no fit state to take the
company's loco.
These wagons were ex NSWR BBW ballast hoppers with hungry boards about 1
metre high welded on the sides and ends to increase the capacity of the
wagons. The limestone quarry near Marulan is the South Marulan Quarry. It is
also served by a private railway from the Main South to a loading point
above the quarry.
I'm sure I read or heard somewhere that the wagons were new to SPC, and were copies of the BBW. Southern Portland Cement was formed in 1926 and the major shareholders were Australian Iron & Steel and Howard Smith Ltd. A couple of the wagons are at Port Kembla steelworks, still numbered SPCxx.
Regards,
Chris


Fairymead #1 at RVRM!

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi all,
Seems Fairymead #1 visited the Richmond Vale
Railway for the 'Friends Of Thomas' day (Sept 16-17).
Obviously it didn't haul trains :-)

Wish I had of known, I would have made an effort to
get there.


Regards
Brad

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Re: Arial Ropeways

Peter Robinson <pmwombat@...>
 

Even'in All,
Please allow a newcomer to interject on this thread.

I lived for 20yrs at Moss Vale until moving to Wagga 'bout 4 yrs ago.

The colliery 'behind' Berrima is indeed the Medway Colliery, sharing the
name with the adjacent village. The colliery supplies coal to the Berrima
Cement Works to fire their cement kilns. There is a private railway from
Berrima Junction (about 2km Nth of Moss Vale) on the Main South, to the
colliery. The cement works lies about halfway along the private line. About
15 - 20 yrs ago the track between the cement works and colliery was removed.
Incidentally, prior to pulling up the track, several coal wagons had to be
removed from where they had stood for years on the track behind the houses
in Medway Village. They were pulled out of there in several trips by the
cement work's track maintenance team's Hi-rail Landcruiser. In those days,
my employment required me to make regular inspections of the cement works
line, believe me, the track to the colliery was in no fit state to take the
company's loco.
These wagons were ex NSWR BBW ballast hoppers with hungry boards about 1
metre high welded on the sides and ends to increase the capacity of the
wagons. The limestone quarry near Marulan is the South Marulan Quarry. It is
also served by a private railway from the Main South to a loading point
above the quarry.
The confusion stems from the fact that the junction's name is Medway
Junction (about 3 km Nth of Marulan), usually shortened by railway people to
just 'Medway'. Both of the private lines mentioned (and the colliery and
quarry) are all owned by Boral, formerly Blue Circle Southern Cement. There
was an even earlier company but I can't remember it's name (Southern
Cement??).
When the colliery line was originally opened (late 1800s?, well prior to the
establishment of the cement works), Berrima Junction was known as
Austermere, the name being changed due to confusion with Austinmer on the
Illawarra line.

The Medway Junction - Sth Marulan line runs across private land. It is a bit
of local folklore (may well be true) that when the land owner originally
agreed to having the railway on his land it was be on the consideration that
he be paid one penny per ton carried on the railway. I roughly figure, these
days, about 8000 tonnes of limestone is taken out of there by train per day.
It's not going to make you rich, but would be a nice supplement to one's
income!

Peter Robinson
Wagga Wagga

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Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Arial Ropeways


John Shoebridge wrote:

Medway Colliery nr Marulan *
John, can you clarify the location of this colliery please? There seems
always to be clear identity for Medway Quarry near Marulan and for
Medway Colliery west of Berrima, but I have not worked out where Medway
Colliery near Marulan fits in.


Re: Warburton Tramway Photos

mcsawdust <mike.mccarthy@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Hyett" <john.hyett@...> wrote:

Hi
I've just posted an album containing the relevant photos from some
one's walking tour from Millgrove to Warburton via Donna Buang of
which
I hold an envelope containingnegatives and what appears to be half
to
two thirds of the map. I suspect pre 1939 bushfires. I have enhanced
the map so that some of the pencil work is more visible. If any one
can
identify the sites I would appreciate that.
John Hyett
I should have added that Currie's mill closed in 1927 so the images
were taken before that. They are earlier than other images at the
same location. My guess is they were taken around 1923-24.

Mike McCarthy


Re: Warburton Tramway Photos

mcsawdust <mike.mccarthy@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Hyett" <john.hyett@...> wrote:

Hi
I've just posted an album containing the relevant photos from some
one's walking tour from Millgrove to Warburton via Donna Buang of
which
I hold an envelope containingnegatives and what appears to be half
to
two thirds of the map. I suspect pre 1939 bushfires. I have enhanced
the map so that some of the pencil work is more visible. If any one
can
identify the sites I would appreciate that.
John Hyett
All three photos are of Currie's incline at Millgrove. The incline
was known as Jacob's ladder. The frame over the rails was there to
keep the incline cable from fouling with the limbs of the tres
alongside the track. See page 38 of "Mountains of Ash".
Interestingly one of the images is printed back-to-front!


Re: Coffee Pot (Newcastle) info

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

--- Jeff Mullier <jmullier@idl.net.au> wrote:

G'day All,

After seeing a photo of the coffee pot sitting
derelict outside the engine shed at Howley's
Junction & seeing that it was a rather unusual beast
(vertical boiler & cylinders), I was wondering if
anyone knew more about the history/possible builder
of this loco. I know that it saw service on the
Toronto branch when the branch was privately owned,
but did it see service anywhere before this?

Regards
Jeff>>>>>>

Hi Jeff/all,
While I can't answer this question I would
like to extend it to ask what has become of the
proposed replica that was to be built at Toronto.
Is this project dead in the water like so many
others?

Thanks
Brad



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Coffee Pot (Newcastle) info

Jeff Mullier
 

G'day All,

After seeing a photo of the coffee pot sitting derelict outside the engine shed at Howley's Junction & seeing that it was a rather unusual beast (vertical boiler & cylinders), I was wondering if anyone knew more about the history/possible builder of this loco. I know that it saw service on the Toronto branch when the branch was privately owned, but did it see service anywhere before this?

Regards
Jeff


Re: Fraser Island.

Frank Stamford
 

Mark,

Yes there was a A class Climax but it bore very little resemblance to "a smaller version of the SMR locos".

Regards,

Frank

At 01:31 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:

Dick and Frank,
Wasn't there a class A Climax on the island, which would look rather boxy
too? Though that would be easy to distinguish from a conventional loco I
would expect.
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Aus

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From: Frank Stamford
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Fraser Island.

Hello Dick,

This was probably an ex-QGR 4D10 class 2-4-4T loco originally built in 1867
as an A10 class 2-4-0 loco. From certain angles (three-quarter rear) this
loco looked "boxy".

It worked on an eight mile timber tramway owned by Hyne and Wilson Hart,
and worked on Fraser Island from 1906 to 1923.

There were other steam locos and other timber tramways on Fraser Island,
but this is probably the one in the photo.

(This information is from the late John Kerr's book "Tall Timber and
Tramlines in Queensland" which is to be published early next year.

Regards,

Frank Stamford

At 08:39 AM 10/11/2006, you wrote:

Just came back from a jaunt to Fraser Island. In the bar at one of the
resorts there is a photograph of a steam loco. It is a boxy looking
arrangement, looks like a smaller version of the SMR locos.

The caption said words to the effect that this loco was used on a timber
tramway on the island.

Any further information would be appreciated.

Dick Holland
Broken Hill


Lankaster's Tramway

John Shoebridge
 

Hi Group

Has anyone heard of this .. a wooden railed timber tramway in the 1860's somewhere the southern end of Lake Macquarie ?

Regards
John

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