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Re: tomato/strawberry railway at Port Macquarie?

Chris Stratton
 

eoliverau <eoliver@iprimus.com.au> wrote:

In the travel section of the SMH for 27-28/11/10 there is mention and a
photo of Ricardoes Tomatoes (and strawberries and lettuce) on Blackmans
Point Road. The photo on page 21 shows what MAY be a railway with widely
spaced sleepers - gauge is very hard to estimate but maybe about 18
inches to 2 feet. But again it might just be some strange sort of path.
Any knowledge about this please?
I've now been to Ricardoes twice to pick strawberries (they are really nice). There are now railways in the strawberry building, all picking is done by hand as they grow an A-frames about 2 metres high. The public can pick strawberries but not tomatoes.
I didn't go into the tomato building but you can see in through large windows from the cafe. The tomato vines hang from the roof and grow to over 3 metres high. Between each row of plants is a type of railway. The rail is made of steel pipe around 40mm diameter, at each end of the rows the concrete floor is higher and the pipe rests on the concrete, between the plants the floor is lower and the pipe is supported on legs which are welded to flat plates which act as sleepers. at the ends the pipes are bent and welded together so it makes the shape of a very narrow and long rectangle. I would estimate the distance between the pipes to be 450mm to 600mm.
I saw two types of rolling stock:

1. a small flat tolley which is pushed by hand and used to carry containers when picking from the lower part of the vines.
2. a trolley with a scissor lift mounted on it and used to pick from higher up. This one is self propelled by chain drive from a small electric motor similar to a large wiper motor or wheelchair motor. It is powered by a couple of truck batteries carried on the trolley. I didn't see any pumps to power the ram used to raise and lower the platform, maybe a fixed pump somewhere sets it to the height required.

The trolleys are moved along the rows by a hand pallet trolley which places the trolley onto the concrete, the trolley is then driven or pushed onto the pipe rails.
Almost forgot the wheels. They are fairly small, approx 150mm diameter with a flat tread about 75mm wide and a flange on the outer edge so the flanges run along the outer edges of the pipe rails.

I hope this info is what you were after, I'll upload some photos when I return home, it would take too long on the mobile broadband I'm using.

Regards,
Chris


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

bll_hnks
 

A friend in the USA tells me that this was Ephraim Shay's second locomotive.

Bill Hanks

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Brian Rumary
Sent: Friday, 14 January 2011 6:19 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Underground Railroad: 1942



Tom D wrote:

What a fascinating site. Here is another interesting photo.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7786?size=_original
This is one of the locos that Ephraim Shay built himself, rather than
those built by Lima to Shay's patent.

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

B.Rumary
 

Tom D wrote:

What a fascinating site. Here is another interesting photo.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7786?size=_original
This is one of the locos that Ephraim Shay built himself, rather than
those built by Lima to Shay's patent.

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

rthorne475
 

This 9 ton  loco was #1 'Baby' of the Hemlock Central RR,  Ephraim Shay's own 2' 6" gauge line at Harbor Springs,  Michigan, serving his private water works and logging operations.  #1 was built after 1894, the earliest photo of it being in 1897, at which time it had a domeless boiler.  Shay and his son, Lette, ran tourist trains on the line in the summer at 25c a head, as in this photo.  They built two further Shay locomotives for the line.  Shay sold his waterworks to the local village in 1913 and died in 1916.

For more information on this and further views of  'Baby' and her two sister locos, see pages 66 to 73 of Michael Koch's 'The Shay Locomotive Titan Of The Timber' (488 pages, limited edition, World Press, Inc., USA, 1971).

Richard Horne

--- On Thu, 13/1/11, halfpilotstaff <ta1712@internode.on.net> wrote:

From: halfpilotstaff <ta1712@internode.on.net>
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Underground Railroad: 1942
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Thursday, 13 January, 2011, 12:06







 









A "coffee pot" Shay?!?!



Who'd a-thunkit....



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Tom D <jtd245@...> wrote:

What a fascinating site. Here is another interesting photo.
http://www.shorpy.com/node/7786?size=_original
- Tom.
























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Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

halfpilotstaff
 

I had no idea that that was "THE"! All I knew was the telltale pinioned drivewheels and the "sidewinder" vertical cylinders...

Thanks for the explanatory link, David :-)

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "David Halfpenny &#92;(y&#92;)" <david.halfpenny@...> wrote:


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From: "halfpilotstaff" <ta1712@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:06 PM
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

A "coffee pot" Shay?!?!

Who'd a-thunkit....
But that isn't "a" Shay, it's "the" Shay, Ephraim's own prototype, at
Harbor Springs.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor_Springs_Railway

David 1/2d


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

David Halfpenny
 

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From: "halfpilotstaff" <ta1712@internode.on.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 12:06 PM
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

A "coffee pot" Shay?!?!

Who'd a-thunkit....
But that isn't "a" Shay, it's "the" Shay, Ephraim's own prototype, at Harbor Springs.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor_Springs_Railway

David 1/2d


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

halfpilotstaff
 

A "coffee pot" Shay?!?!

Who'd a-thunkit....

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Tom D <jtd245@...> wrote:

What a fascinating site. Here is another interesting photo.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7786?size=_original

- Tom.


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

Bob Mcleod
 

Hell, that live overhead looks awful close to the drivers neck??
   Fine bit of photography!
               Bob


Re: Underground Railroad: 1942

Tom D
 

What a fascinating site. Here is another interesting photo.

http://www.shorpy.com/node/7786?size=_original

- Tom.


Re: 50 years of LRRSA - Sat.4.10.69 SRWSC Tatura & Waranga

Roderick Smith
 

This is the next in sequence which I attended.
The factory made reinforced/presstressed concrete components for bridges over channels, and also galvanised water wheels.
The short tramway moved beams from the casting plant to the curing zone.

1: lhs John Withers, John Prideaux, Richard Dempster; rhs ?, ?, ?, ?.
3: lhs: ?, ?, ?, prob Frank Stamford, prob Andrew Hennell; rhs ?.
4: lhs: ?, ?, ?, Richard Dempster, ?; rhs John Withers.
7: possibly Ian Stanley, ?, Richard Dempster.
The captions show SRWC wronly: it was State Rivers and Water Supply Commission.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Underground Railroad: 1942

Bill Bolton
 

This is from the US, but its such a fabulous mine railway photo that
its well worth a look.

<http://www.shorpy.com/node/6266?size=_original>

Cheers,

Bill


Photo Collection website

pagyahs <westonlangford@...>
 

This is to introduce westonlangford.com

This website contains transparencies from my collection up to 1996. Those for later years will be added as the originals are scanned.

Whilst the collection is mainly directed towards mainline railway subjects there is some coverage of items of light railways interest.

Some further editorial work is needed to clear up typographical errors which will be progressively carried out.

Sincerely,

Weston Langford


SMR - Kalingo Junction Today.

Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
 

http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2090-04-18T15%3A56%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=1
 
Brad

South Maitland Railways - http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/
Philippine Railway Hist Society - http://philippine-railways.blogspot.com
Semi-Retired Foamer - http://alcogoodwin.blogspot.com/
Manila Sunset Convenience Store - http://manila-sunset.blogspot.com

~ William (Bill) James Sullivan - 1949-2010 - Never To Be Forgotten ~



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Re: Beyer Peacock Online

bll_hnks
 

I believe "Rails Through The Bush" is available from Karen's Books at www.karensbooks.com<http://www.karensbooks.com>
The UA$ to US$ exchange rate is very favourable at the moment.

Bill Hanks

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of John Dennis
Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2011 12:34 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Beyer Peacock Online



Thanks for your input.

Builders numbers 2158 and 3120 were for order numbers 6490 and 6191
respectively, ordered for "McLean Bros. & Rigg (Guy Smith)" and
"McLean Bros. & Rigg, Australia". There are no images for either of
these orders on the site, but there are some nice photos in "Rails
Through the Bush"

John

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:17:01 +1100, Frank Stamford
<frank.stamford@bigpond.com<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>> wrote:


Hello John,

That's a very interesting resource.

The "(Australia)" in the annotation is a mistake. Order No.6245 was, as
you say, for B/Nos 2249 and 2250. Both of these were for the NSB
(Norwegian State Railways), No.2249 being named "Gere" and 2250 "Freke".

Two locomotives of this type (but with cabs and stacks different to that
in the drawing) were supplied to Australia to The Jarrahdale Jarrah
Forests & Railways Ltd. They were B/No.2158 of 1882, and B/No.3120 of
1889, and named "Samson" and "Samson No.2".

The first of this type of locomotive was built for Norway in 1866, and
the type - which was very successful - inspired the 2-6-0 tender locos
widely used in South Austtralia, Western Australia, Tasmania, Cape
Province, and probably other places.

Regards,

Frank
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au<mailto:jdennis%40optusnet.com.au>
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Beyer Peacock Online

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Thanks for your input.

Builders numbers 2158 and 3120 were for order numbers 6490 and 6191
respectively, ordered for "McLean Bros. & Rigg (Guy Smith)" and
"McLean Bros. & Rigg, Australia". There are no images for either of
these orders on the site, but there are some nice photos in "Rails
Through the Bush"

John

On Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:17:01 +1100, Frank Stamford
<frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:


Hello John,

That's a very interesting resource.

The "(Australia)" in the annotation is a mistake. Order No.6245 was, as
you say, for B/Nos 2249 and 2250. Both of these were for the NSB
(Norwegian State Railways), No.2249 being named "Gere" and 2250 "Freke".

Two locomotives of this type (but with cabs and stacks different to that
in the drawing) were supplied to Australia to The Jarrahdale Jarrah
Forests & Railways Ltd. They were B/No.2158 of 1882, and B/No.3120 of
1889, and named "Samson" and "Samson No.2".

The first of this type of locomotive was built for Norway in 1866, and
the type - which was very successful - inspired the 2-6-0 tender locos
widely used in South Austtralia, Western Australia, Tasmania, Cape
Province, and probably other places.

Regards,

Frank
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Beyer Peacock Online

Frank Stamford
 

Hello John,

That's a very interesting resource.

The "(Australia)" in the annotation is a mistake. Order No.6245 was, as
you say, for B/Nos 2249 and 2250. Both of these were for the NSB
(Norwegian State Railways), No.2249 being named "Gere" and 2250 "Freke".

Two locomotives of this type (but with cabs and stacks different to that
in the drawing) were supplied to Australia to The Jarrahdale Jarrah
Forests & Railways Ltd. They were B/No.2158 of 1882, and B/No.3120 of
1889, and named "Samson" and "Samson No.2".

The first of this type of locomotive was built for Norway in 1866, and
the type - which was very successful - inspired the 2-6-0 tender locos
widely used in South Austtralia, Western Australia, Tasmania, Cape
Province, and probably other places.

Regards,

Frank

On 11/01/2011 11:27 AM, John Dennis wrote:

All,

People might know about this, but I have just recently been made aware
that the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry (MOSI) now has
Beyer Peacock drawings and photos online. The search page is here:

http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/collections/online/search.php?type=images

and enter "Beyer Peacock" in the drop down list of collection names.

Here's an interesting one for Frank:
http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/web/pages/common/imagedisplay_mosi.php?&irn=15803
<http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/web/pages/common/imagedisplay_mosi.php?&irn=15803>

A 2-4-0 with the description "Norwegian Government Railway
(Australia)".

Going to http://www.beyerpeacock.co.uk/loco%20list/Customerlist.PDF I
found that order number 6245 was for two locomotives of 3'6" gauge,
given builders numbers 2249-50.

Is the "(Australia)" annotation an error, or did Australia have a pair
of these 2-4-0Ts?

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au <mailto:jdennis%40optusnet.com.au>
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: Beyer Peacock Online

Ron Martin <ronhil@...>
 

Hello John,

I would suggest that the 'Australia' is an annotation, signifying that these
locos which had been produced since 1868 for Norway, were the basis for the
Australian 2-6-0s.

On page 60 of 'Beyer Peacock, Locomotive Builders to the World', it says :

"For the South Australian narrow gauge lines, a 2-6-0 tender engine was
developed in 1875 from the Norwegian Government Railways 3ft 6in 2-4-0 tank
and a total of seventy-five was from then up to 1886. Many more were built
in Australia itself, and it became a classic type, used on most of the 3ft 6
in gauge lines on that continent."

Ron

-------Original Message-------

From: John Dennis
Date: 01/11/11 11:28:19
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Beyer Peacock Online

All,

People might know about this, but I have just recently been made aware
that the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry (MOSI) now has
Beyer Peacock drawings and photos online. The search page is here:

http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/collections/online/search.php?type=images

and enter "Beyer Peacock" in the drop down list of collection names.

Here's an interesting one for Frank:
http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/web/pages/common/imagedisplay_mosi
php?&irn=15803

A 2-4-0 with the description "Norwegian Government Railway
(Australia)".

Going to http://www.beyerpeacock.co.uk/loco%20list/Customerlist.PDF I
found that order number 6245 was for two locomotives of 3'6" gauge,
given builders numbers 2249-50.

Is the "(Australia)" annotation an error, or did Australia have a pair
of these 2-4-0Ts?

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html



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Beyer Peacock Online

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

All,

People might know about this, but I have just recently been made aware
that the Manchester Museum of Science and Industry (MOSI) now has
Beyer Peacock drawings and photos online. The search page is here:

http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/collections/online/search.php?type=images

and enter "Beyer Peacock" in the drop down list of collection names.

Here's an interesting one for Frank:
http://emu.msim.org.uk/htmlmn/web/pages/common/imagedisplay_mosi.php?&irn=15803

A 2-4-0 with the description "Norwegian Government Railway
(Australia)".

Going to http://www.beyerpeacock.co.uk/loco%20list/Customerlist.PDF I
found that order number 6245 was for two locomotives of 3'6" gauge,
given builders numbers 2249-50.

Is the "(Australia)" annotation an error, or did Australia have a pair
of these 2-4-0Ts?

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


SMR - Elrington Line

Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee,
            A few photos from a brief and mostly unsuccessful attempt to do the Elrington line by car.
 
http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2090-04-18T15%3A56%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=1
 
  Finally located John Shoebridges dad's bridge.
 
Regards
Brad

South Maitland Railways - http://hunter-coal.blogspot.com/
Philippine Railway Hist Society - http://philippine-railways.blogspot.com
Semi-Retired Foamer - http://alcogoodwin.blogspot.com/
Manila Sunset Convenience Store - http://manila-sunset.blogspot.com

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Re: non-train, logging in Tassie

Bruce Wood
 

Hi Mark,

Some absolutely beautiful shots there Mark – thanks for sharing! (Better go and get out my Newray Mack B61, and see what mods need to be done to make it look the part!)

Cheers
Bruce
Sydney



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Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:39 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] non-train, logging in Tassie



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