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Re: Baugley Drewery Loco.
Henrik Dorbeck
David,
Thanks for your reply. The closest I can find is the Woodford Baugley. I was there in March and quite impressed with it. So much so that I managed to find an Accucraft model going spare. I had thought of looking at it in 7 1/4" gauge as a model. Details I have found are as follows; Wheel Arrangement: 0-6-0DM • Built by EE Baguley Ltd, Burton-on-Trent, UK, for Railway, Mine and Plantation Equipment Ltd, UK • Weight: • Build #: 3377 of 1953 • Horse Power: fitted with a 6LW Gardner Diesel Motor Would love any additional details like a line drawing for a starter. Thanks again Henrik ________________________________ From: David Halfpenny (y) <david.halfpenny@yahoo.co.uk> To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Thu, 2 December, 2010 3:12:57 PM Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Baugley Drewery Loco. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Henrik" <hdhj5862@yahoo.com.au> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> Subject: [LRRSA] Baugley Drewery Loco. Hi Guys,Henrik I've got a book about Baguley-Drewry. They built large numbers of very varied locomotives. Could you narrow down the search to a specific type please? Pictures? David 1/2d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Baugley Drewery Loco.
The Baguley loco at Woodford is ex Mulgrave Mill 1, Baguley 3377 of
1953,Type BG6. Drewry Car Company Ltd (who were an agency) had nothing to do with this locomotive, which was supplied to the order of another agency, RMP (Railway Mine & Plantation Equipment Company Ltd). John logo John Browning PO Box 99 Annerley 4103 Queensland Australia Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084 Mobile 0407 069 199
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Re: Baugley Drewery Loco.
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From: "Henrik" <hdhj5862@yahoo.com.au> Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 1:57 AM To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> Subject: [LRRSA] Baugley Drewery Loco. Hi Guys,Henrik I've got a book about Baguley-Drewry. They built large numbers of very varied locomotives. Could you narrow down the search to a specific type please? Pictures? David 1/2d
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Baugley Drewery Loco.
Henrik Dorbeck
Hi Guys,
I am looking for some drawings for the above mentioned loco for a project. Does anyone know where I can source a set? I have the Accucraft model and seen one in the flesh at Woodford on a visit and now have the taste. I think it would make an awesome 7 1/4" model!! :-) Thanks Henrik
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Perry 0-6-2
Scott Arnell
Hi there,
A little while ago I requested any drawings anyone might have for a Perry 0-6-2 steam loco of the Queensland 2ft gauge cane fields. I was emailed a General arraingment from a member who I now forget. If that person is still around, id like to ask if they would mind resending it as I didnt get to make a hard copy from the computer and ive now lost it due to a hard drive crash. Any help?. Cheers, Scott.
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Port Kembla diesel locomotive listing available as pdf
Frank Stamford
As part of this morning's update of the LRRSA website, a roster of the diesel locomotives of the Port Kembla steelworks has been added as a pdf download.
It has been prepared by Brad Peadon, and has 10 A4 pages and 11 photographs. You can find it by selecting "What's new" on the main menu; or alternatively selecting "Publications" on the main menu, and then "Free downloads". Regards, Frank
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Light Railways No.216 posted and minor website update
Frank Stamford
Light Railways No.216 was posted yesterday (Friday) and a minor update has been made to the website to add details of the magazine.
Regards, Frank
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Walhalla Centenary Photographs Required
John Dennis <jdennis@...>
Hi All,
I am writing my regular Narrow Gauge Downunder column on this amazing event at Walhalla. I was there on the Sunday, in the wet, and my photographs do not do justice to the day. Although I have made arrangements with someone to supply some photos, they have not yet arrived and the deadline is fast approaching. Does anybody have any high quality photos they are prepared to supply to me for the magazine, just in case those previously arranged don't appear? I'm only looking for three or four photos, preferably spread over both days., and as I said, as a backup. Please reply off-line if you are able to help. Cheers, John ========================================================== John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html
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EMB loco drawings
A C Lynn Zelmer
Thanks everyone who responded, both on and off line, I think that Steve has information (and potential further contacts) to make his 7/8" loco erection drawings... even if, like many of us, the model doesn't get built as soon as he would like.
:-) Incidentally, my apologies if individuals didn't get a direct contact... yahoogroups seems to have had a hiccup at some point so that I didn't get some of the group messages via e-mail, and when I checked the web site one of the group messages I did get wasn't listed. Technology! Happy modelling, Lynn -- Lynn Zelmer Box 1414, Rockhampton QLD 4700 Australia http://www.zelmeroz.com
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Re: Kiama tramway
Terry
I was fascinated to read the items about the Kiama blue metal tramway
and thank the several contributors for some very interesting information As a very young enthusiast in the 1940s I walked the branch line from the NSWGR yard and the main line from the wharf to the quarry and although the years have dimmed my memory somewhat I can clearly remember being fascinated by the sight of a diminutive steam locomotive just behind a fence but close to the public road and a number of wagons under the crushers. At that stage the quarry was not operating and lantana had started to intrude Being young and in fear of parental or police retribution I resisted the urge to enter the enclosed area at the quarry although I did walk out along the tracks above the bins on the wharf - with fear of falling into the bins. How I wished I could have gone closer to the locomotive and peeked into the engine shed! I am intrigued to read remarks about standard guage operations in the Kiama quarries and even more so about about such a line to a wharf and hope that someone will write more about the latter and indicate where the wharf was located Thanks for enjoyment Terry
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Timbertown Wauchope
It appears that the new operators of Timbertown have been active in ensuring
that 2ft gauge operations resume soon. The resumption date is fixed for 15 December. Apparently they are looking for volunteer involvement, or maybe you would just like to ride on the first train: We only ask all volunteers to register their interest or intentions in coming in 24 hours prior so we can organise ourselves and prepare meal vouchers, etc. Many tasks required to complete the railway will be carried out undercover for obvious reasons. All volunteers are required to sign in and out not only for insurance reasons but also for our annual reward program. Finally as part of the re-launch we will run the railway on the 15th of December to pre booked ticket holders. The railway will operate as a independent part of the park as a not-for-profit organisation. The very first run will be limited to 70 persons with some very special guests invited, everyone will receive a limited edition bottle of port celebrating the occasion, canapés, food, beer, wine and of course champagne and live music, entertainment and the list goes on with of course the once in a lifetime opportunity to take part. Starting time will be 2.00pm. Train departs at 3.01 pm with the celebrations concluding at 4.00pm. Very well priced at only $95.00 per person with ALL PROFIT to be returned to the railway and future work including our planned 2011 ground up restoration of our Hudswell Clarke locomotive. Public running will commence on Thursday the 16th December.. Huge thank you in advance, park custodians David & Alison Waite And here is the announcement about the resumption of operations: Timbertown - Back on Track!!!!!! Good evening all. Welcome to all those new subscribers to our November update. Very very exciting times ahead in just a few more weeks as we put together the biggest re-launch in the park’s history, and now I will let all subscribers in on the big news.................. December 15th 3.01 pm will be the official re-launch of the TIMBERTOWN HERITAGE RAILWAY and it has been a long time coming, nearly two years believe it or not, and the smiles in the park keep getting bigger and bigger! So far enormous effort has been put in by our staff and volunteers with many outsiders suggesting we would never have our famous railway running again we are about to prove them all wrong. Our fowler locomotive is being lovingly put back together getting a fresh coat of paint. All machining has been done with lots of painting about to take place as soon as the rain finds someone else to annoy. The park has seen some big changes already in the past 5 months since our arrival starting with a complete new 7¼ inch railway achieved in just 8 days. WE ARE CALLING ALL VOLUNTEERS TO ACTION. INTERESTED PERSONS CAN ENJOY WORKING IN THE WORLDS BEST ENVIROMENT IN THE FOLLOWING AREAS. Railway operations, gardening, landcare, steam sawmill operations, customer interaction, animals, heavy horses, model engineering and miniature railway running and many other areas including restoration and running of our extensive collection of early oil engines. Learn new skills, meet new people, enjoy a lovely lunch and have FUN. John logo John Browning PO Box 99 Annerley 4103 Queensland Australia Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084 Mobile 0407 069 199 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Kiama tramway
bjr2105
From information that I have, all three steam tram motors were scrapped in
1938, but I have no idea in which month(s). Tram motor 11A was sent to Railways Bombo Quarry, ex-Newcastle, in December 1926 Tram motor 53A was sent to Railways Bombo Quarry, ex-Newcastle, in May 1927 Tram motor 118A was sent to Railways Bombo Quarry, ex-Newcastle, in November 1926 It is interesting to note that these would have steamed from Newcastle to Sydney to Bombo under their own power, but the usual maximum speed was 4 m.p.h., especially through points and crossings due to the tramway profile wheels, which would have made for a VERY long travel time indeed…! From my knowledge of the Weekly Notices, there is nothing in them for the periods in question, as they stopped giving transfer info for steam trams in them around 1917. As you say, more for the bigger picture. Bruce Rankin From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of saundersbruce78 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 9:16 PM To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Kiama tramway Further to the comments on Bombo Railway Quarry I can confirm that the three steam trams were in service at Bombo by a document containing fusible plug change records being boiler numbers 11A, 53A,118A. The dates in service(at least the fusible plugs were being changed was from April 1927 till August 1929 then shows out of service from then till the document finishes December 1935. Also Vulcan locomotive 1022 was on loan to Bombo November/December 1927.Then to Enfield Then back to Bombo Quarry May 1931 till December 1931. Vulcan Locomotive 1023 from January 1928 till August 1928 then out of service at Bombo before being transferred back to Thirroul as spare.Then to Enfield before back to Bombo for April 1931 only. It would be interesting to know if there are any documents showing locomotive transfers or weekly notices etc for this time period.It would also be interesting to find out when these steam trams were eventually scrapped. It all adds to the bigger picture. Regards Bruce Saunders --- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> , richard horne <rthorne475@...> wrote: locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used, locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo. locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023). Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive. they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921. anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does Any information would be appreciated.Neville[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Kiama tramway
saundersbruce78 <bjsaunders1@...>
Further to the comments on Bombo Railway Quarry I can confirm that the three steam trams were in service at Bombo by a document containing fusible plug change records being boiler numbers 11A, 53A,118A. The dates in service(at least the fusible plugs were being changed was from April 1927 till August 1929 then shows out of service from then till the document finishes December 1935.
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Also Vulcan locomotive 1022 was on loan to Bombo November/December 1927.Then to Enfield Then back to Bombo Quarry May 1931 till December 1931. Vulcan Locomotive 1023 from January 1928 till August 1928 then out of service at Bombo before being transferred back to Thirroul as spare.Then to Enfield before back to Bombo for April 1931 only. It would be interesting to know if there are any documents showing locomotive transfers or weekly notices etc for this time period.It would also be interesting to find out when these steam trams were eventually scrapped. It all adds to the bigger picture. Regards Bruce Saunders
--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, richard horne <rthorne475@...> wrote:
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EMB DH loco erection drawings
A C Lynn Zelmer
G'day
I have a US modelling colleague who is thinking of building a Baldwin DH such as Coolum in 7/8" scale and is looking for the equivalent of erection drawings... particularly drawings of the bogies as they aren't terribly visible in most photos. Any suggestions? Or good photos with some field dimensions? Ta, Lynn -- Lynn Zelmer Box 1414, Rockhampton QLD 4700 Australia http://www.zelmeroz.com
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Re: Kiama tramway
neville conder
Hi Mike
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Looking on the NLA website one of the articles was about the shays for the Wolgan Valley been erected at Everley workshops for Gibson Battle. Neville
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From: The Bickfords To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway Hi Neville, Gibson Battle were the agents for the Shay locomotive in Australia. There was series of articles about the Kiama Tramway by Ken McCarthy in Trolley Wire, issues 166,167 & 168 in 1976. It refers to the Gibson Battle petrol electric loco and includes a photo of the remains in the late 1950's The loco was originally supplied in 1921 for the construction of Avon dam and came to Kiama in 1927. The ARHS Bulletin for October 1989 has an article by John Newland about the various locos tendered for use at Wyangala Dam. Included in the large list of locos offered is a Gibson Battle petrol electric, so they must have supplied a few locos over the years. cheers, Mike Bickford ----- Original Message ----- From: "neville conder" <nconder@internode.on.net> To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway > Hi all > Thanks for the information on the Kiama tramway. At the museum it gave a > timeline of all the locomotives that worked on the tramway to Pikes Hill > down Terralong Street to the harbour and to the railway yard. I'll have to > contact the museum to see where the information came from as it was not > there 5 or 6 years ago when I last went there. I might have to go this > lunchtime to see what I can find out. > The steam shovel I suspect it might be in one of the quarries at Bombo. > Even though Terralong Tracks was an interesting book it was a bit short on > detail but at least it brought my attention to the tramway. Don Cottee one > of the authors when he moved from Kiama in the 90's I had to remove wheel > sets from under his house for the new owner. But I didn't think they came > from Kiama as the gauge was around 2' 4" so I suspect they came from a > factory somewhere. > On another query in the National Library photos there are photos of the > Nestles factory at Abbortford with a tramway running to wharf on the > Parramatta River. > Thats enough for today I better get back to work > Neville > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Kendrick > To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au > Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:51 AM > Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway > > > > Hi Richard, all, > The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a > rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there > is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama. > The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines > running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are > visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2' > gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would > likely have been animal or hand worked at that level. > -Mark > > On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote: > > Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal > combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on > a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in > the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the > quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards > from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that > a (standard gauge) loco was used, > > > > Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale > i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could > conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair > 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the > quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo. > > > > Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram > locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They > were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old > State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry > used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well > as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023). > > > > Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on > Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor > knowledge of where or if any company records survive. > > > > Richard Horne. > > > > --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > > From: Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@optusnet.com.au> > > Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway > > To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au > > Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed, > > > > there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well > > > > known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and > > > > wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge > > > > was used at Avon Dam? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mark K > > > > > > > > On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote: > > > >> Afternoon all > >> Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query. > >> It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time > they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, > petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921. > >> I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. > Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the > tramway. > >> Any information would be appreciated. > >> Neville > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA > publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and > the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au > > > > This group is for members who share common interests with the members > of the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and > opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA > member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management" > > Yahoo!7 Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA > publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and > the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au > > This group is for members who share common interests with the members of > the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and > opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA > member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management" > Yahoo!7 Groups Links > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Kiama tramway
The Bickfords <womloc4@...>
Hi Neville,
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Gibson Battle were the agents for the Shay locomotive in Australia. There was series of articles about the Kiama Tramway by Ken McCarthy in Trolley Wire, issues 166,167 & 168 in 1976. It refers to the Gibson Battle petrol electric loco and includes a photo of the remains in the late 1950's The loco was originally supplied in 1921 for the construction of Avon dam and came to Kiama in 1927. The ARHS Bulletin for October 1989 has an article by John Newland about the various locos tendered for use at Wyangala Dam. Included in the large list of locos offered is a Gibson Battle petrol electric, so they must have supplied a few locos over the years. cheers, Mike Bickford
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From: "neville conder" <nconder@internode.on.net> To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au> Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway Hi all
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Re: Kiama tramway
neville conder
Hi all
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Thanks for the information on the Kiama tramway. At the museum it gave a timeline of all the locomotives that worked on the tramway to Pikes Hill down Terralong Street to the harbour and to the railway yard. I'll have to contact the museum to see where the information came from as it was not there 5 or 6 years ago when I last went there. I might have to go this lunchtime to see what I can find out. The steam shovel I suspect it might be in one of the quarries at Bombo. Even though Terralong Tracks was an interesting book it was a bit short on detail but at least it brought my attention to the tramway. Don Cottee one of the authors when he moved from Kiama in the 90's I had to remove wheel sets from under his house for the new owner. But I didn't think they came from Kiama as the gauge was around 2' 4" so I suspect they came from a factory somewhere. On another query in the National Library photos there are photos of the Nestles factory at Abbortford with a tramway running to wharf on the Parramatta River. Thats enough for today I better get back to work Neville
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From: Mark Kendrick To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2010 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway Hi Richard, all, The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama. The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2' gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would likely have been animal or hand worked at that level. -Mark On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote: > Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used, > > Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo. > > Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023). > > Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive. > > Richard Horne. > > --- On Wed, 17/11/10, Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > From: Mark Kendrick<trainbrain@optusnet.com.au> > Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway > To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au > Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed, > > there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well > > known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and > > wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge > > was used at Avon Dam? > > Cheers, > > Mark K > > > > On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote: > >> Afternoon all >> Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query. >> It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921. >> I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway. >> Any information would be appreciated. >> Neville >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au > > This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management" > Yahoo!7 Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Kiama tramway
Mark Trainbrain
Hi Richard, all,
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The standard gauge higher up in the quarry wouldn't have been for a rail mounted steam navvy, would it? In the Terralong Tracks book there is a photo of a tracked steam navvy simply credited as being at Kiama. The same book has views of the Pikes Hill quarry, with 2' gauge lines running to the upper level of the quarry, though no steam navvies are visible in the photos of the quarry itself. A diagram shows extensive 2' gauge access to the quarry face, including wagon turntables, so would likely have been animal or hand worked at that level. -Mark
On 18/11/2010 6:01 AM, richard horne wrote:
Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used,
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Re: Kiama tramway
rthorne475
Further to my previous comments on the Kiama quarry's internal combustion locos, I've now spoken to Bruce Macdonald. He confirms that on a visit to the quarry c1947, there were traces of standard gauge track in the upper quarry (further along Terralong Street, to the west of the quarry in which the 2'0" gauge locos worked). It was several hundred yards from the quarry face to the crusher so he felt it was quite plausible that a (standard gauge) loco was used,
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Bruce said that there were two standard gauge Purcell/Caldwell Vale i.c. locos used at Minnamurra Quarry on the South Coast, so one could conceivably have ended up at Kiama. Bruce discovered one of this pair 'quite recently' (i.e. about 40 years ago!) among the junk in the quarryman's yard of Cleary Bros., Bombo. Re the standard gauge quarry line at Kiama, using ex NSWGT steam tram locos, that Mark refers to, there were in fact two such operations. They were not actually in Kiama, but just to the north at Bombo. The Bombo Old State Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 51A and 54A. The Bombo Railway Quarry used ex NSWGT motors 11A, 53A and 118A (originally 17, then N20), as well as NSWGR Vulcan Iron Works 0-4-0ST 1218 (later 1023). Although Bruce has some works photographs and other information on Gibson Battle, he has no record of all the i.c. locos produced, nor knowledge of where or if any company records survive. Richard Horne.
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From: Mark Kendrick <trainbrain@optusnet.com.au> Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Date: Wednesday, 17 November, 2010, 10:28 Hi, Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed, there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge was used at Avon Dam? Cheers, Mark K On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote: Afternoon all Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query. It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921. I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway. Any information would be appreciated. Neville [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Re: Kiama tramway
Mark Trainbrain
Hi,
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Just further to the original query, in case this detail was missed, there was more than one tramway in the Kiama area. Aside from the well known ~2' gauge tram, one was standard gauge between another quarry and wharf and used an ex NSWGT steam tram motor, perhaps others. What gauge was used at Avon Dam? Cheers, Mark K
On 13/11/2010 4:16 PM, Neville Conder wrote:
Afternoon all
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