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Re: Kiama tramway

bjr2105
 

Neville,



Gibson Battle were a well known general machinery merchant and I remember their catalogue was a very well used document in the Babcock & Wilcox drawing office where I worked many years ago.



Have you tried searching on the NLA website? There are more than 10,000 entries for Gibson Battle there. Try the following weblink:



http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q= <http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/result?q=&;exactPhrase=gibson+battle&anyWords=&notWords=&l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&fromdd=&frommm=&fromyyyy=&todd=&tomm=&toyyyy=&l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&sortby> &exactPhrase=gibson+battle&anyWords=&notWords=&l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&fromdd=&frommm=&fromyyyy=&todd=&tomm=&toyyyy=&l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*&sortby=



or, if that’s too hard to copy and paste, try the abbreviated version that takes you to exactly the same place:



http://tinyurl.com/35g2fkx



Happy hunting…!



Bruce Rankin



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of neville conder
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2010 12:42 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway





Thanks Richard for your reply on my query.
I have been searching the web about Gibson Battle to see if they were manufacturers or just suppliers/agents. There is a photo of there factory in Sydney in 1920s and that they were taken over by Tutt Bryant in 1961. Any more information on this company and there products (possibly photos) would be appreciated.
Neville
----- Original Message -----
From: richard horne
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway

I have a note that this loco was in use at Kiama ex Avon Dam in1938 and derelict there in 1956. I also have a note that there was a standard gauge Gibson Battle loco of 1927, used on the quarry floor, derelict by 1936 and also extant in 1956.

I do not now know the source of this information, so advise that it be treated with a degree of caution, particularly the standard gauge loco and the dates associated with it. Corroboration or otherwise welcomed.

Richard Horne

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From: Neville Conder <nconder@internode.on.net <mailto:nconder%40internode.on.net> >
Subject: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Cc: LocoShed@yahoogroups.com <mailto:LocoShed%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 5:16

Afternoon all

Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.

It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.

I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.

Any information would be appreciated.

Neville

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Re: Kiama tramway

neville conder
 

Thanks Richard for your reply on my query.
I have been searching the web about Gibson Battle to see if they were manufacturers or just suppliers/agents. There is a photo of there factory in Sydney in 1920s and that they were taken over by Tutt Bryant in 1961. Any more information on this company and there products (possibly photos) would be appreciated.
Neville

----- Original Message -----
From: richard horne
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2010 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway



I have a note that this loco was in use at Kiama ex Avon Dam in1938 and derelict there in 1956. I also have a note that there was a standard gauge Gibson Battle loco of 1927, used on the quarry floor, derelict by 1936 and also extant in 1956.

I do not now know the source of this information, so advise that it be treated with a degree of caution, particularly the standard gauge loco and the dates associated with it. Corroboration or otherwise welcomed.

Richard Horne

--- On Sat, 13/11/10, Neville Conder <nconder@internode.on.net> wrote:

From: Neville Conder <nconder@internode.on.net>
Subject: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Cc: LocoShed@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 5:16



Afternoon all

Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.

It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.

I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.

Any information would be appreciated.

Neville

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Re: ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Hunslet
 

I spent most of the day down there, in rather hot and humid conditions.

It was a most popular attraction with the general public, all internal parking having been taken by 1030 hours. A single entrance fee gave unlimited train rides throughout the day, with all three bogie passengers carriages in use.

As well as the Society's operating (2-ft-gauge and miniature) railway and stationary engine display, . there were displays from the NSW Police and State Emergency Services, Rural Fire Service, vintage cars, together with petrol and kerosene engines. The Society now has a separate "Ken McCarthy" shed containing historical displays and an operating narrow gauge model railway. The Railway Band made a special trip down from Sydney and performed frequently throughout the day.

Four 2-ft gauge locomotives were in steam and operating at various times throughout the day, with even the minute 0-4-0 box tank "Burra" running a demonstration train of four wheel skip wagons. Diesel locomotives were conspicuous by their absence, although the Simplex was on stand-by with the fire train.

I understand that this may be the last time that the "Perry" is steamed for a while as some repairs are needed to the smokebox area owing to rusting.

Very few railway "enthusiasts" made it to the site. The Museum had made special arrangements for any attending to be conducted to non-public areas in the bush in order to obtain photographs etc., away from the public - which was greatly appreciated by those who took advantage of this. During the morning, include when "Burra" made its demonstration runs, there were only two photographers; my mid afternoon, this had grown to no more than half a dozen, one of whom had made the journey from Stawell in Victoria.

My congratulations are extended to the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society for an excellent Tongarra Trainfest - the first, so I understand for some five or six years.

Hunslet.


Re: Kiama tramway

rthorne475
 

I have a note that this loco was in use at Kiama ex Avon Dam in1938 and derelict there in 1956.  I also have a note that there was a standard gauge Gibson Battle loco of 1927, used on the quarry floor, derelict by 1936 and also extant in 1956.

I do not now know the source of this information, so advise that it be treated with a degree of caution, particularly the standard gauge loco and the dates associated with it.  Corroboration or otherwise welcomed.

Richard Horne

--- On Sat, 13/11/10, Neville Conder <nconder@internode.on.net> wrote:

From: Neville Conder <nconder@internode.on.net>
Subject: [LRRSA] Kiama tramway
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Cc: LocoShed@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, 13 November, 2010, 5:16







 









Afternoon all

Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.

It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.

I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.

Any information would be appreciated.

Neville



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Re: ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

halfpilotstaff
 

I had to miss it, as I was playing with CityRail trains.... :-(

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Chris Stratton" <gm4201@...> wrote:

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From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au]
On Behalf Of oztrainz
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2010 10:20 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Hi all,
A reminder that the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society will be holding
its
"Tongarra Trainfest" tommorrow, Sunday 14th November.
The day will feature all 4 of our operational steam locos on display in
steam &
in action hauling trains.
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this year, it's my wife's birthday,
my daughter has a rehearsal for her end of year dance concert, and the
Wollongong Hawks are playing.

Regards,
CS


Kiama tramway

neville conder
 

Afternoon all
Been visiting the local museum in Kiama today and have a query.
It had a list of locomotives that worked on the tramway and the time they were there. A interesting one was as follows: 1927, Gibson Battle, petrol electric Ex Avon Dam, built in April 1921.
I thought I knew a lot about the tramway but this a new one for me. Does anyone have any information on this loco. Did it actual work on the tramway.
Any information would be appreciated.
Neville


Re: ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Chris Stratton
 

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au]
On Behalf Of oztrainz
Sent: Saturday, 13 November 2010 10:20 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

Hi all,
A reminder that the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society will be holding
its
"Tongarra Trainfest" tommorrow, Sunday 14th November.
The day will feature all 4 of our operational steam locos on display in
steam &
in action hauling trains.
Unfortunately I won't be able to make it this year, it's my wife's birthday,
my daughter has a rehearsal for her end of year dance concert, and the
Wollongong Hawks are playing.

Regards,
CS


ILRMS Tongarra Trainfest

John Garaty
 

Hi all,
A reminder that the Illawarra Light Railway Museum Society will be holding its "Tongarra Trainfest" tommorrow, Sunday 14th November.
The day will feature all 4 of our operational steam locos on display in steam & in action hauling trains.

The NSW Railway Band will be performing throughout the day. Police, State Emergency Service and the Rural Fire Service will also have displays on site.

If things go according to plan, some of the key events and approximate timings are:
10:00 - 11:30 - Perry "Tully 6" on passenger service
11:45 - "Burra" on coal skips
12:00 - 13:30 - "Kiama" on Passenger Service
13:45 - 4 in steam runby
14:00 - 15:00 - "Kiama" & "Cairns" on passenger service
15:00 - 16:30 - "Cairns" on passenger service

I will be available at the "Yallah" display layout in the green Museum Display building to escort photographers/enthusiasts "down bush", outside the public areas for photos/video etc of the passing trains.

Cost:
$15 Adult
$10 Child/Concession
$50 Family (2 adults & up to 3 children)

I hope to see you there,
John Garaty
"ILRMS photo guide" for the day


Re: Longworth Tramway

coals_to_newcastle
 

Hi Prof Klyzir,

Thank you for the feedback.

I have had a look at the article and it has some interesting info.

In answer to your question about scale, I suppose that I am working in 1:1 scale, as I am trying to build the route in Microsoft Train Simulator.

If you are interested I have a site where I have done "mainline" routes, but am now attempting a logging tramway.

The site is:

www.coalstonewcastle.com.au

Therefore the more info the better, even if it is a good educated guess.

For example some accurate info about location of loading ramps and sidings would be helpful, etc.

Thanks

Peter

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Dimitrievich" <johnd@...> wrote:

Dear Peter,



Can I suggest you locate a copy of Oct 2005 Australian Model Railway
Magazine,

I think you'll find the feature layout in that issue particularly of
interest...



What scale are you looking to model Longworths in?



Happy Modelling and Researching,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr











Re: Longworth Tramway

John Dimitrievich <johnd@...>
 

Dear Peter,



Can I suggest you locate a copy of Oct 2005 Australian Model Railway
Magazine,

I think you'll find the feature layout in that issue particularly of
interest...



What scale are you looking to model Longworths in?



Happy Modelling and Researching,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr


SMR/RVR- Help With A LRRSA Project

Brad Peadon PdOB <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee everyone,
                         I am working on a project for the LRRSA website and am requiring photographs of each type of steam locomotive used on the South Maitland and Richmond Vale Railways (excepting the 10 class).
 
  Photos can be either in service or since preservation.
  Would prefer previously unpublished ones, but this may be almost impossible with some of the older locos.
 
  And just in case that wasn't enough to ask for.
 
  I am also on the search for the technical details of said locomotive types, although Brian Andrew's book did contain as such for some types.
 
  If anyone can please help, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you.
 
Regards
Brad
 
 


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Longworth Tramway

coals_to_newcastle
 

I am currently trying to model the Longworth tramway @ Kendall (NSW) and I am seeking help.

I have read a number of good articles in Light Raiways, (eg no 131, Apr 1991), however I am wondering anybody can supply any additional information to the following questions:

i) What was the standard curve radius? A 3.5 chain curve is referred to, but a deviation was put in place. Other curves radius?
ii) What gradients applied, specific info? One article refers to gradients as steep as 1 in 25.
iii) Any details on passing loops - length and locations? A siding is referred to in one article at Tipperary, was this a loop or a dead end?
iv) Any track plans for mill at Kendall?

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks

Peter


Longworth Tramway

coals_to_newcastle
 

I am currently trying to model the Longworth tramway @ Kendall (NSW) and I am seeking help.

I have read a number of good articles in Light Raiways, (eg no 131, Apr 1991), however I am wondering anybody can supply any additional information to the following questions:

i) What was the standard curve radius? A 3.5 chain curve is referred to, but a deviation was put in place. Other curves radius?
ii) What gradients applied, specific info? One article refers to gradients as steep as 1 in 25.
iii) Any details on passing loops - length and locations? A siding is referred to in one article at Tipperary, was this a loop or a dead end?
iv) Any track plans for mill at Kendall?

Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks

Peter


Re: Mount Strickland and Mount Ritchie logging track - Marysville area

Peter Evans
 

I don't think this track has ever been closed to walkers except after the
fires. It was certainly open prior to the fires - at least it was in October
2003 when I was field-checking the feeder tramlines at the head of the
incline (and another one which junctioned some distance below the top of the
incline).



The tramway incline which forms the route of "Lowering Gear Track" was in
use by Feiglin & Sons from late 1934 until about 1944, when supplies of
timber on top of the range had been exhausted. The mill it fed on the
Acheron Way was burnt down in 1955 and the machinery shifted to Narbethong,
where it continued to operate under a number of owners until burnt down in
the Black Saturday fires of 2009.



The incline was technically interesting, in that it had a single line of
steel rails laid to a gauge of 3-ft for 440 metres, had an average grade of
1 in 4.5, and was operated by a twin-engined internal combustion winch.
There was a small mill and several huts at the top of the incline, and food
for the workers and fuel for the crawler tractors had to be hauled up the
hill. A gearbox and engine compression were the primary method of braking on
the downhill run, with a manual brake for fine speed control where required.
Most of the other inclines in the Marysville area were of the three-railed
"balanced" type which required three rails with a passing loop and the
weight of the lowered logs to haul up the empty trucks with any supplies
needed.



Judah Feiglin and his sons were masters of "bodging" the equipment needed to
keep their enterprise running smoothly, including this lowering gear system.
They would have excelled at "Scrapheap Challenge"!



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Sandstone (South Africa) 2011 events

Roderick Smith
 

Just announced: a whole one-week extravanza, and guests with steam experience can have hands on. John and I have had great days at Sandstone (610 mm gauge) as part of one of Geoff's extended tours. Steam in Action is a consortium of preservation groups, established to attempt to arrest further losses in retained national-collection locos, and to try to keep mainline charters running.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith

Four Garratts on one train and a supporting cast of another 18 steam
locomotives, a Sherman tank and a team of trek oxen. Interested?

Sandstone Estates and South Africa's Steam in Action group are planning a week long steam gala for next April. They have asked Geoff's Trains Limited to offer a package of gala, transport and accommodation that will make it easier and cheaper for overseas visitors, and non Steam in Action members, to access the event. We are happy to oblige.

Sandstone is a large and very modern commercial farm on the Lesoto border in South Africa's Freestate Province, about a 5 hour drive from Johannesburg. All of their narrow gauge locomotives will all be in operation through the week. Wilf Mole, owner and organiser of the event, believes that the best way to maximise the experience is to leave much of the programme unstructured, and then respond to the requests of the participants. I will be hosting the tour and we should have a good influence in what happens.

Also operating during the week, and being positioned to give nteresting railway photographs, will be the extensive military vehicle collection, agricultural vehicles, traction engines and trek oxen.

As Sandstone's extensive railway is all on private land, enthusiasts are welcome to get involved in loco preparation, firing and driving, as well as in the operation of the other heritage resources. If you have the necessary experience, an opportunity not to be missed.

Prices for the package will be available in a few days. If you are interested in joining us, let me know by going to our web page at:
www.geoffs-trains.com/SouthAfrica/SandstoneGala2011.html
(A good level of interest prior to finalising the price can keep the cost down.)

A second tour to South Africa will visit Sandstone in June 2011. This wil be part of our trans - African steam enthusiast tour, details can be found at: www.geoffs-trains.com/africa2011.html

Regards,
Geoff Cooke
Geoff's Trains Limited
www.geoffs-trains.com


Mount Strickland and Mount Ritchie logging track - Marysville area

John M.
 

I found this snippet in the current edition of Bushwalking Victoria News and thought it might be of interest in regard to the loggging history of the Marysville area:
"
Lowering Gear track Reopened after 2009 Fires
One of the welcome (very few!) outcomes from the 2009
fires is that some of our old walking tracks are now
accessible to walkers for the first time in many years. One
of these tracks is the Lowering Gear Track located south
of Marysville, off the Acheron Way about 4km past the
Granton Rd turnoff
This track was used to lower timber taken from the Mt
Strickland and Mt Richie areas, and there is evidence still
to be seen of the old winch apparatus and special
channels cut into the hillside to facilitate the gradual
lowering of what were clearly huge timbers.
Kim guided his grateful acolytes straight up, a climb of
around 600m in conditions that proved to be colder and
wetter the higher we climbed. At the end of this little
adventure of over 18km, there was the usual pedometer vs
GPS debate about how much the walk exceeded this
distance.
Edited from Footnotes, Vol 30 No 9, Oct 2010
Maroondah Bushwalking Club
"

the reference to Mt Richie is a typo.

JohnMore


Re: Yallourn Briquette Factory, 1924

John Shoebridge
 

In the photo newly laid track (without the haulage rope) appears to be part of a terminal loop. The tommy dodd rollers would have subsequently given no end of problems.

Regards
John

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dennis
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Yallourn Briquette Factory, 1924



Here are a couple of photos showing the haulage and trackage around
the briquette works. I'm sure you have all seen these before, but they
were new to me, and therefore may be new to others...

http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/79369

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Yallourn Briquette Factory, 1924

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Here are a couple of photos showing the haulage and trackage around
the briquette works. I'm sure you have all seen these before, but they
were new to me, and therefore may be new to others...

http://handle.slv.vic.gov.au/10381/79369

John
==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: First passenger trains - Porthmadog to Caernarfon

rthorne475
 

Excellent, John.  So, we missed that by 6 weeks!  Oh, and yes, you will be getting some pics in due course.

Cheers,

Richard

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, John Browning <ceo8@iinet.net.au> wrote:

From: John Browning <ceo8@iinet.net.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] First passenger trains - Porthmadog to Caernarfon
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Monday, 1 November, 2010, 20:21







 









Not an Australian n.g. train but definitely worthy of notice is the latest

chapter in the Welsh Highland revival.



A short video and a newspaper article sum it up nicely.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Q05gVECAA



http://blogs.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/2010/10/al-qaeda-strikes-welsh-high

lan.html



Stil a few things to sort out - Portmadoc Harbour Station has to be rebuilt

and peace in our time has to be achieved with the Welsh Highland Heritage

mob on the other side of town.



Hopefully the next couple of years will see regular services throughout the

whole length of the line as well as Welsh Highland Heritage Trains operating

on a frequent basis.



Apologies to all who may be offended by the sight of Welsh narrow gauge on

this group.



John



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John Browning



PO Box 99



Annerley 4103



Queensland



Australia



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084



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First passenger trains - Porthmadog to Caernarfon

John Browning
 

Not an Australian n.g. train but definitely worthy of notice is the latest
chapter in the Welsh Highland revival.

A short video and a newspaper article sum it up nicely.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2Q05gVECAA

http://blogs.walesonline.co.uk/lifestyle/2010/10/al-qaeda-strikes-welsh-high
lan.html



Stil a few things to sort out - Portmadoc Harbour Station has to be rebuilt
and peace in our time has to be achieved with the Welsh Highland Heritage
mob on the other side of town.

Hopefully the next couple of years will see regular services throughout the
whole length of the line as well as Welsh Highland Heritage Trains operating
on a frequent basis.



Apologies to all who may be offended by the sight of Welsh narrow gauge on
this group.



John






logo



John Browning

PO Box 99

Annerley 4103

Queensland

Australia









Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084

Mobile 0407 069 199

6261 - 6280 of 10223