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Re: Marysville devastation

Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
 

I just saw on the 7 news the army is going to be doing the clean up.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:36 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation


I think waiting for the "right" time is the best option. The Day's tractor
is not something that can be picked up with a front-end loader and put in a
skip. The area where the Day's is located is part of a well-known local
historical precinct and I can't image anyone without local knowledge being
allowed to do anything precipitate. The Marysville police are, as I
understand it, still in the town, and the rail tractor sat next to the side
fence of the police station, so they will know it well.



That said, people will be more preoccupied with their own problems and
losses at the moment and I will wait for that to subside before making an
offer. If the MHS photographic collection has been destroyed at least I will
be able to provide them with high-resolution scans of all the timber
industry photographs.



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

Hi all,

I rather like John's idea of changing the title photo occasionally. It
was certainly provide for interesting discussion. If you did alter the
picture occasionally then the subject matter is not as crucial as the
theme.

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark, Australia


should be changed periodically

John Browning
co-moderator


Re: Marysville devastation

Peter Evans
 

I think waiting for the "right" time is the best option. The Day's tractor
is not something that can be picked up with a front-end loader and put in a
skip. The area where the Day's is located is part of a well-known local
historical precinct and I can't image anyone without local knowledge being
allowed to do anything precipitate. The Marysville police are, as I
understand it, still in the town, and the rail tractor sat next to the side
fence of the police station, so they will know it well.



That said, people will be more preoccupied with their own problems and
losses at the moment and I will wait for that to subside before making an
offer. If the MHS photographic collection has been destroyed at least I will
be able to provide them with high-resolution scans of all the timber
industry photographs.



Cheers,

PeterE.



Peter Evans

Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services

0407 537 837

www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/>;

peter@peterevans.com.au



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Re: Title Photo.

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Brad wrote:
Many groups change the photo every few days. Why not just display any good interesting photo that is offered, irrespective of topic, until
the
next good one comes along?>>>>
Dosen't do much to encourage member participation or draw out
photos that may otherwise not be put on here, but I am happy to take
that road if it is the majorities wish.
On the contrary, I suggest that is exactly what it would do, and certainly it does so on some other groups, because it increases the likelihood that a photo will indeed be seen - so that people can feel rewarded even if they are not likely to win a competition.


Re: Title Photograph.

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Stephen Percy Larcombe
<splarcombe@...> wrote:


Does the "Australia" in LRRSA mean members in Australia researching
light railways, or does it mean research on Australian Light Railways.
If the later is the case then perhaps the name should be ALRRS.

Are members only interested in Australian light railways?

Yours

Stephen>>>>
Hi Stephen,
This one should create a lot more comment :-)
It is a very good point though.

As I said a few messages back, I guide my activities by Light
Railways. Our great publication has articles/information/news or
railways, not only here, but Fiji. NZ, Asia and even the UK and elsewhere.
The extremely fast growing interest in Fiji cane railways now days
lead me to use the picture I did. If the LRRSA is the only available
publication that caters for this growing interest, then why not
capitalize on that.

To answer your question, yes I personally am interested in light
railway outside Australia, mostly the Pacific and asia regions, but I
am happy to read articles on it anywhere.
Thats my own personal interests though.

Thanks for adding your thoughts, I would certainly love to see the
quieter members give theirs as well.

Regards
Brad


Re: Title Photo.

Brad <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Many groups change the photo every few days. Why not just display any
goof interesting photo that is offered, irrespective of topic, until
the
next good one comes along?>>>>
Hi Eddie,
Dosen't do much to encourage member participation or draw out
photos that may otherwise not be put on here, but I am happy to take
that road if it is the majorities wish.

Brad


Re: Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi again,
             My interest in light railways, while mostly due to sugarcane 2fts, is also strongly fueled by that which in not common.
  Horse hauled operations get coverage at times, so cattle hauled stuff would certainly be little different in my view. Indeed the articles on Maldon (spelling?) Island and its wind powered train was incredibly interesting and certainly not something commonly covered, likely due to the rarity of wind powered trains.

  Someone else, I think John, mentioned how people come to be interested in Light Railways and the LRRSA.
  This would be an interesting topic in itself which I think I will ask separately in a couple of days, however I personally got interested through the mentioned sugarcane railways, as are at least two other NSW and one NT based railfan that I can think of straight away.
  I'm sure there must be plenty of other railfans taken by these interesting railways while holidaying in Queensland and gone on to search out more information, subsequently finding our association.

Regards
Brad

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--- On Fri, 2/13/09, Eddie Oliver <eoliver@iprimus.com.au> wrote:
From: Eddie Oliver <eoliver@iprimus.com.au>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Title Photo. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Friday, 13 February, 2009, 1:04 AM












I agree with Rod. It may be a most picturesque photo of a light railway,

but its connection with the bulk of the LRRSA's activities seems pretty

remote? However my assessment relates not to the format of the photo but

to the motive power itself, which seems not to have received much

attention by the LRRSA, nor to have been very common in the normal

geographical range thereof.



Rod Hutchinson wrote:



Thanks for the photo. I think the photo is a great shot, but a bit too
agricultural. It is not capturing the essence of Light Railways. This
probably because the motive power is in the front of the image (is at
the crossing point of Rule of Thirds), and the rails are almost covered
by the sugarcane.
Comments above are a reflection my first impression as I opened the Home
Page.
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Re: Title Photo.

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

BLI BLI wrote:

Every 3-4 months I am thinking of choosing a topic, inviting members to contribute a photo (1 only per person) based on that topic.
Photo contributions would be relevant to the chosen topic and have to be within the boundaries of what is covered in Light Railways, although it may pay to kkep it a little more regional (Australia, NZ and Fiji).
Given the bulk of contributions would likely be from Australia, this should ensure it is seen the most.
From these photos the best will be picked (either by the moderators/board or the entire membership) and a new title photo made of that.
It is an idea utilized by other groups for the same reasons and seem to be popular with members.
Many groups change the photo every few days. Why not just display any goof interesting photo that is offered, irrespective of topic, until the next good one comes along?


Re: Title Photo.

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Petan wrote:
The messages so far have mentioned the motive power in the cover picture.
But my interests and I assume so does the interest of many other light rail
fans, extends to include the rolling stock. Thus, for me, the intro page could easily have a nice shot of a log car
enroute to a mill or an internal sawmill's rail system's car loaded with
sawn timber or a Newington Armoury ammo car or even a sawmill traverser. I
know the loco people are in the majority but there is romance in both the
motive power and the cars drawn along obediently by the motive power.
Not to mention those of us who are basically interested in the railway and its operation, and don't have much interest in either the locomotives or the rolling stock.


Re: Title Photo.

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi guys,
            The bright side of all this is the response we are getting. In many groups you can make all the changes in the world and nobody is passionate enough about it to care less.
  At least the interest is strong on this group.

  It has been very interesting to read peoples comments, both supportive and critical. Certainly interesting to see how different peoples ideas are as to whether or not field lines are industrial or light railways, not to mention whether Fiji has a part in the forums front page.

  Personally, as a guide to anything industrial or light railway that I have done, I have always used Light Railways magazine as a guide. If our editors include it there, then I have always considered it to be within topic. The only time our views have diverged is with the current SMR operation (lets not get into that here though).

  I agree with John that we should change it at regular intervals and not let it get as stale as the original one.
  To that end, and to increase interest and group participation, I would like to put a proposal forth for consideration.

  Every 3-4 months I am thinking of choosing a topic, inviting members to contribute a photo (1 only per person) based on that topic.
Photo contributions would be relevant to the chosen topic and have to be within the boundaries of what is covered in Light Railways, although it may pay to kkep it a little more regional (Australia, NZ and Fiji).
Given the bulk of contributions would likely be from Australia, this should ensure it is seen the most.
From these photos the best will be picked (either by the moderators/board or the entire membership) and a new title photo made of that.
  It is an idea utilized by other groups for the same reasons and seem to be popular with members.

  Just an idea, I am open to others.

Regards
Brad

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--- On Sat, 2/14/09, David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
From: David Halfpenny (t) <tuppenced@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Title Photo.
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Saturday, 14 February, 2009, 1:26 AM












------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --

From: "John Browning" <ceo8@iinet.net. au>

Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:52 AM

My suggestion to Brad is that the Fiji bullock-hauled cane train on
portable track is an excellent front page picture for a little while,
but that generally speaking the front page should be of an Australian
scene and should be changed periodically to take in the breadth of
the society's interests,


Sounds ideal John.



In any group of people interested in railways, there will always be a

built-in locomotive bias among those members who make working models. But

I'd be surprised if any browser reading the words on the Home Page left

without joining on the misapprehension that LRRSA doesn't do locomotives.



Also there is no problem with an Australian society looking after related

interests in countries that don't have equivalent bodies.



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Re: Title Photo.

Petan
 

The messages so far have mentioned the motive power in the cover picture.
But my interests and I assume so does the interest of many other light rail
fans, extends to include the rolling stock.

Thus, for me, the intro page could easily have a nice shot of a log car
enroute to a mill or an internal sawmill's rail system's car loaded with
sawn timber or a Newington Armoury ammo car or even a sawmill traverser. I
know the loco people are in the majority but there is romance in both the
motive power and the cars drawn along obediently by the motive power.

Cheers
Peter C


Re: Title Photograph.

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

Does the "Australia" in LRRSA mean members in Australia researching light railways, or does it mean research on Australian Light Railways. If the later is the case then perhaps the name should be ALRRS.

Are members only interested in Australian light railways?

Yours

Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.auFrom: dickwho1@bigpond.comDate: Sat, 14 Feb 2009 08:04:18 +1030Subject: [LRRSA] Title Photograph.



I agree with Mr. Hunslet. There must be a large number of relevant photographs taken in Australia.Dick Holland






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Re: Title Photo.

David Halfpenny \(t\) <tuppenced@...>
 

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Browning" <ceo8@iinet.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:52 AM

My suggestion to Brad is that the Fiji bullock-hauled cane train on
portable track is an excellent front page picture for a little while,
but that generally speaking the front page should be of an Australian
scene and should be changed periodically to take in the breadth of
the society's interests,
Sounds ideal John.

In any group of people interested in railways, there will always be a built-in locomotive bias among those members who make working models. But I'd be surprised if any browser reading the words on the Home Page left without joining on the misapprehension that LRRSA doesn't do locomotives.

Also there is no problem with an Australian society looking after related interests in countries that don't have equivalent bodies.

David 1/2d


Re: Marysville devastation

Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
 

David,
I wasn't referring to the Police or anyone connected with there investigation, I was meaning some Government official who maybe put in charge of any clean up.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.

----- Original Message -----
From: "David R Axup" <daxup@bigpond.net.au>
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation


G'day All,



The town of Marysville is still currently being regarded as a crime scene
with all that implies and the Disaster Victim Identification Teams haven't
finished their very essential work in trying to locate and identify those
who may have been killed. They are not the sort of people I would be
labelling as bureaucrats. In the overall scale of this tragedy the Days
tractor is pretty small potatoes.



Cheers,



David

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Brian Millar
Sent: Saturday, 14 February 2009 2:50 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation



Frank,
My main concern is that currently the town proper isn't in the control of
the towns people, but more probably being controlled by some bureaucrat who
has little or no care for anything railway or historical, and is only
interested in getting brownie points for cleaning up the aftermath, that's
why if it was me I'd be making contact with someone in charge, just to make
sure nothing gets carted away, in looking at photos of the Days tractor, it
is mostly of steel construction so it should be possible to restore it
cosmetically, the log buggies would have burned leaving only the iron work,
but again they could be rebuilt with new timbers using the old iron work.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.
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To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation
PeterE.



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Re: Marysville devastation

David Axup
 

G'day All,



The town of Marysville is still currently being regarded as a crime scene
with all that implies and the Disaster Victim Identification Teams haven't
finished their very essential work in trying to locate and identify those
who may have been killed. They are not the sort of people I would be
labelling as bureaucrats. In the overall scale of this tragedy the Days
tractor is pretty small potatoes.



Cheers,



David

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Brian Millar
Sent: Saturday, 14 February 2009 2:50 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation



Frank,
My main concern is that currently the town proper isn't in the control of
the towns people, but more probably being controlled by some bureaucrat who
has little or no care for anything railway or historical, and is only
interested in getting brownie points for cleaning up the aftermath, that's
why if it was me I'd be making contact with someone in charge, just to make
sure nothing gets carted away, in looking at photos of the Days tractor, it
is mostly of steel construction so it should be possible to restore it
cosmetically, the log buggies would have burned leaving only the iron work,
but again they could be rebuilt with new timbers using the old iron work.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.
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To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups. <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation
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Re: Marysville devastation

Frank Stamford
 

Sorry, that last message was meant to go to Brian personally.

Regards,

Frank


Re: Marysville devastation

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Brian,

At 02:49 PM 14/02/2009, you wrote:

Frank,
My main concern is that currently the town proper isn't in the control of
the towns people, but more probably being controlled by some bureaucrat who
has little or no care for anything railway or historical, and is only
interested in getting brownie points for cleaning up the aftermath,
No it isn't. It is in the hands of the police, who have forensic
scientists looking through the ruins searching for bodies.


that's
why if it was me I'd be making contact with someone in charge, just to make
sure nothing gets carted away,

Peter Evans will have exactly the same concerns. He is at Alexandra
where most of the Marysville survivors are currently located, and has
worked with Victorian bureaucracies for many years. He is
intelligent, tactful, and has a track record of getting things done.

in looking at photos of the Days tractor, it
is mostly of steel construction so it should be possible to restore it
cosmetically, the log buggies would have burned leaving only the iron work,
but again they could be rebuilt with new timbers using the old iron work.
It depends on how hot the fire was at that location.

I have attached an item from today's Age which will help put you in
the picture.

Regards,

Frank


Re: Marysville devastation

Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
 

Frank,
My main concern is that currently the town proper isn't in the control of the towns people, but more probably being controlled by some bureaucrat who has little or no care for anything railway or historical, and is only interested in getting brownie points for cleaning up the aftermath, that's why if it was me I'd be making contact with someone in charge, just to make sure nothing gets carted away, in looking at photos of the Days tractor, it is mostly of steel construction so it should be possible to restore it cosmetically, the log buggies would have burned leaving only the iron work, but again they could be rebuilt with new timbers using the old iron work.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Frank Stamford" <frank.stamford@bigpond.com>
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:43 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation



Hello Brian,

I am sorry, but on this occasion I cannot agree with you.

Peter is much closer to this, I have worked with him for over twenty
years on the LRRSA Council, and I would completely trust his judgement
on knowing the appropriate time to take any action on this.

The human needs of the survivors of the Marysville devastation must
take priority now. The total loss of life in Marysville is not yet
known, but it is expected to be very high.

Regards,

Frank



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Brian Millar" <rallim56@...> wrote:

Peter,
While no one wants to seem rude or not caring, sitting back may not
be a
good option as it is human nature to remove all things that remind
them of
something so heart rending and devastating, if I have my facts
right the
President and his wife of the Marysville Historical Society were on a
program on the ABC the other night and they did grab as much as they
could
from the museum, but I think in the end there car was destroyed, I'm
sure if
you were to contact them ASAP. it may give them and others in the
community
a little hope, a bit like a little light at the end of the tunnel,
to know
that out of devastation and ruin, comes re-building.
Cheers
Brian Millar
Qld. Aust.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Evans" <peter@...>
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 6:18 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Marysville devastation


I do have contacts in Marysville, and will wait for further news to
come in
and for some of the rawness of the event to subside before
investigating
further. I will then report back to the group.



The Marysville Historical Society had an excellent collection of
photographs
and documents and I hope that has survived.



Cheers,

PeterE.



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Re: Title Photo.

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

John Browning wrote:

As an experienced moderator of groups, Brad will probably have quite a reasonable idea of the type and level of interest most represented by those who visit discussion group pages such as ours. Sugar cane may have its own more specialised groups, but I would wager that a significant proportion of our newer members became interested in lrrsa through sugar cane.
That's a very interesting observation. In contrast, I would think that very few people outside Queensland would have come in by that route.

Of course that might launch debate about what a "significant proportion" would be, and in the context ANY proportion is significant - every new member is important; but if there is indeed a geographical variation in methods of attracting members, then that would be something to take into account in strategic plans.

For instance around Sydney, there is some reason to believe that there is a growing interest in the various types of industrial and construction lines that Jim Longworth has been writing about so brilliantly; that territory is totally remote from sugar cane, and it could not be assumed that someone interested in the former would (at least initially) have much interest in the latter or vice-versa.


Re: Title Photo.

John Browning
 

Perhaps it is easy to lose sight of what the lrrsa Yahoo discussion
group is primarily - a gathering place for those who already know
they are interested in "Light Railways" as defined by lrrsa.

A key outcome of this is to have a valuable on-line presence that can
attract new members and new readers of the magazine, a role shared
with the lrrsa web site.

It is interesting to wonder how many casual visitors arrive at the
group page. My guess would be that the vast majority of casual
visitors to the group pages are those who have found their way there
through a search - and so once again know exactly why they have come
there and what they are interested in.

In any case, the lrrsa group front page is very clear in stating what
people might find within.

My suggestion to Brad is that the Fiji bullock-hauled cane train on
portable track is an excellent front page picture for a little while,
but that generally speaking the front page should be of an Australian
scene and should be changed periodically to take in the breadth of
the society's interests, just as Frank does with the lrrsa web page.
It is good if the web page and group site complement each other, not
duplicate each other, and I think this has been achieved well.

As an experienced moderator of groups, Brad will probably have quite
a reasonable idea of the type and level of interest most represented
by those who visit discussion group pages such as ours. Sugar cane
may have its own more specialised groups, but I would wager that a
significant proportion of our newer members became interested in
lrrsa through sugar cane. As the cane industry is by far the dominant
user of "light railways" in Australia today, I'd suggest we need to
maintain a close eye on this industry.

I imagine that the reference to the "worthy leaders" of the Society
is to the elected individuals who have statutory responsibilities for
its strategic direction and management. I am not and never have been
one such. However, my observation is that they have been very
successful so far in making it a very successful organisation.

My understanding is that the "worthy leaders" do believe that it will
soon be time for another stocktake, as happens with every successful
organisation, and I understand that they will be consulting members
and stakeholders in a variety of ways.

Out there in the big bad world, discussion groups can tend to be
taken over by the "wrecker", the "wind up merchant", the loud and the
opinionated. It has been shown that most people who belong to a group
say very little, if anything, while antagonistic attitudes, rudeness,
and general shouting is a very effective way of driving away members
of the "silent majority" (for that is who they are).

That is why we control access to the group and have active
moderators. Thankfully, this guiding presence is nearly always
invisible, as it ideally should be - which is a tribute to the good
sense, good humour and positive attitudes seen in just about every
post. Our focus has been, and continues to be, the generous sharing
of information and the respectful sharing of ideas. Long may it
continue.

John Browning
co-moderator

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