Lost Locomotive around Noojee
dave.malady
G'day all,
Just wondering if anyone knows anything about a supposed narrow gauge locomotive lying in the bush around Noojee(Vic). Has been a bit of renewed interest around the traps in finding it so I hear. Regards, Dave.
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Re: Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
Peter/Stephen,
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I had a bit of a snoop, and there is some pipe work adjacent to the boiler. However it is a building site so I wasn't able to glean a lot of info. I found a picture of a similar Robison Boiler at: <http://forum1.aimoo.com/The_Old_Machinery_Magazine/OLD-MACHINERY-TALK/r obinson-bros-1-1035227.html> Scroll about 2/3rds down Regards Rod Hutchinson Mooroolbark, Australia
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From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Stephen Percy Larcombe Sent: Friday, 23 January 2009 11:31 PM To: lrrsa@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Re:Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] The steam driven water pumps are still in thier original location. The people that are rebuilding the dry dock for polly wood side would like to put the pumps back into operation and run them on compressed air, but the heritage people are hesitant about allowing this to happen. Yours Stephen To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.auFrom: peter@peterevans.com.auDate: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:37:27 +1100Subject: [LRRSA] Re:Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Rod,I believe this was the boiler that provided steam to the pumps that pumpedthe Duke & Orr dock dry once a ship was inside. I believe the pumps havebeen preserved separately - perhaps at the Melbourne Steam Traction EngineClub at Scoresby? It's a pity they weren't able to be kept together. Oftenthe first reaction to a threat to an installation is to remove whateverinterests the rescuer most. The better option is to try and keep aninstallation intact in situ if at all possible. I'm not aware of thecircumstances of the removal of the pumps so this is not intended to be acriticism, just an observation.Cheers,PeterE.Peter EvansProduction Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services0407 537 837www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/> peter@peterevans.com.auP please consider the environment before printing.This electronic mail contains information that is privileged andconfidential, intended only for use of the individual(s) or entity named. Ifyou are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of theinformation is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmissionin error please delete it immediately from your system and inform me byreturn email and destroy the original message[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwi de%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F100 4813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Material posted on this group may be adapted by the editors of LRRSA publications for use in those publications, including Light Railways and the LRRSA web-site www.lrrsa.org.au This group is for members who share common interests with the members of the LRRSA, but the contents of postings are those of their authors and opinions expressed do not necessarily conform with those of any LRRSA member nor of the LRRSA Council of Management" Yahoo!7 Groups Links
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Re: Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Stephen Percy Larcombe
The steam driven water pumps are still in thier original location. The people that are rebuilding the dry dock for polly wood side would like to put the pumps back into operation and run them on compressed air, but the heritage people are hesitant about allowing this to happen.
Yours Stephen To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.auFrom: peter@peterevans.com.auDate: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:37:27 +1100Subject: [LRRSA] Re:Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] Hi Rod,I believe this was the boiler that provided steam to the pumps that pumpedthe Duke & Orr dock dry once a ship was inside. I believe the pumps havebeen preserved separately - perhaps at the Melbourne Steam Traction EngineClub at Scoresby? It's a pity they weren't able to be kept together. Oftenthe first reaction to a threat to an installation is to remove whateverinterests the rescuer most. The better option is to try and keep aninstallation intact in situ if at all possible. I'm not aware of thecircumstances of the removal of the pumps so this is not intended to be acriticism, just an observation.Cheers,PeterE.Peter EvansProduction Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services0407 537 837www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/> peter@peterevans.com.auP please consider the environment before printing.This electronic mail contains information that is privileged andconfidential, intended only for use of the individual(s) or entity named. Ifyou are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of theinformation is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmissionin error please delete it immediately from your system and inform me byreturn email and destroy the original message _________________________________________________________________ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fsecure%2Dau%2Eimrworldwide%2Ecom%2Fcgi%2Dbin%2Fa%2Fci%5F450304%2Fet%5F2%2Fcg%5F801459%2Fpi%5F1004813%2Fai%5F859641&_t=762955845&_r=tig_OCT07&_m=EXT
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Re: Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Peter Evans
Hi Rod,
I believe this was the boiler that provided steam to the pumps that pumped the Duke & Orr dock dry once a ship was inside. I believe the pumps have been preserved separately - perhaps at the Melbourne Steam Traction Engine Club at Scoresby? It's a pity they weren't able to be kept together. Often the first reaction to a threat to an installation is to remove whatever interests the rescuer most. The better option is to try and keep an installation intact in situ if at all possible. I'm not aware of the circumstances of the removal of the pumps so this is not intended to be a criticism, just an observation. Cheers, PeterE. Peter Evans Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services 0407 537 837 www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/> peter@peterevans.com.au P please consider the environment before printing. This electronic mail contains information that is privileged and confidential, intended only for use of the individual(s) or entity named. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please delete it immediately from your system and inform me by return email and destroy the original message
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Boiler - Robison Bros. [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
Hi all,
Not Light Rail but is Steam Down opposite the old berth that Polly Woodside (sailing vessel) was docked in, the additions to the Melbourne Convention centre have placed a purpose built shelter over a bricked-in boiler. The boiler details are: Robison Bros. Melbourne 1.03.1904 Tested to 240 lbs sq in Does anyone know anything about this old thing? Regards Rod Hutchinson Melbourne, Australia
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Re: Sigatoka Bridge Photos
Chris Stratton
BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au> wrote:Even if the bridge is rebuilt I doubt it would be finished before my next visit in July. Regards, CS
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Sigatoka Bridge Photos
BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
A few photos of what remains of the bridge in Sigatoka.
I wonder if we will ever see trains on the south side again? http://alcogoodwin.blogspot.com/ Cheers Brad ** Railways & Industrial Heritage Society Phils Inc (Australian Chapter ** Preserving The Rich Railway History Of The Philippines. We are urgently needing your help! PHOTOS - STORIES - HISTORICAL ITEMS - MEMBERSHIP ****** http://anz.rihspi.org ****** Yahoo! Toolbar is now powered with Search Assist.Download it now! http://ph.toolbar.yahoo.com/
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Jim Fainges
David Halfpenny \(t\) <tuppenced@...>
Marg Fainges has written with news of Jim since his heart op. two months ago.
He's sitting up at his computer drawing, but it's not been completely plain sailing. Triple by-pass, 2 valves, Pacemaker, then recovery from a stroke. Bionic or not, he's aiming to fly to the Sydney Narrow Gauge Convention. We wish them all well. David 1/2d
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Looking for Johnny Wicks
John Dimitrievich <johnd@...>
Dear LRRSA team,
If anyone has contact details for Johnny Wicks, can you please drop me a email offlist, Happy Researching, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr
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Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks
rthorne475
Dear Frank,
The photograph you show, taken c1930 is the one I have, but my copy is an old print which appears to be taken off the original negative, so is sharp and the name on the plate can be read. Whether or not the present aluminium plate is cast or etched is hard to tell from photos. What is clear is that it is the opposite of the original where the name was etched or recessed, while on the present one it is the background that is recessed or etched (hence the edge is raised). More importantly, it bears no relationship whatsoever to the original design. If I was in Melbourne, I'd happily prepare a drawing for the new plates! Best wishes, Richard ________________________________ From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 21:20:40 Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks Thanks Richard. I do not think the current nameplate is cast. It appears to be aluminium, possibly etched aluminium. It is certainly different to the plate you describe. In the photos section of this Yahoo Group I have added three photos in the Album "Frank's photos": http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/LRRSA/ photos/album/ 406528701/ pic/list One shows the loco near Fielder in 2007. The second is a close-up of the nameplate currently fitted to the loco ( - this picture is actually an enlargement taken from the first picture). The third shows the loco working at West Melbourne Gasworks, as published in "Light Railways" No.90. The nameplate in this is very indistinct. Regards, Frank --- In LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au, richard horne <rthorne475@ ...> wrote: me by John Buckland many years ago. While the plate is not all that clear, it can be clearly seen that it is nothing like the plate presently on the loco. is in capitals but the letters 'IR' of 'SIR' are about half the height of the other letters. and G being about half an inch taller than the remainder. Bottom of all letters on same level. The letters are simple, non-serrif, quite thin lines and not as compressed as on the present plate. * The letters are darker than the plate, so presumably etched orcut into the brass and painted black (or similar) (as was the name 'JOHN BENN' in the well-known photo of that loco (Hainault 861/1886). sheet). Rather there is an etched perimeter line, dark coloured, set about half an inch in from the edge of the plate. * The four fixing bolts (dome headed) are at the extreme corners ofthe plate.I trust that this is of some help. Melbourne Gasworks
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Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks
Frank Stamford
Thanks Richard.
I do not think the current nameplate is cast. It appears to be aluminium, possibly etched aluminium. It is certainly different to the plate you describe. In the photos section of this Yahoo Group I have added three photos in the Album "Frank's photos": http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/photos/album/406528701/pic/list One shows the loco near Fielder in 2007. The second is a close-up of the nameplate currently fitted to the loco ( - this picture is actually an enlargement taken from the first picture). The third shows the loco working at West Melbourne Gasworks, as published in "Light Railways" No.90. The nameplate in this is very indistinct. Regards, Frank --- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, richard horne <rthorne475@...> wrote: me by John Buckland many years ago. While the plate is not all that clear, it can be clearly seen that it is nothing like the plate presently on the loco. is in capitals but the letters 'IR' of 'SIR' are about half the height of the other letters. and G being about half an inch taller than the remainder. Bottom of all letters on same level. The letters are simple, non-serrif, quite thin lines and not as compressed as on the present plate. * The letters are darker than the plate, so presumably etched orcut into the brass and painted black (or similar) (as was the name 'JOHN BENN' in the well-known photo of that loco (Hainault 861/1886). sheet). Rather there is an etched perimeter line, dark coloured, set about half an inch in from the edge of the plate. * The four fixing bolts (dome headed) are at the extreme corners ofthe plate.I trust that this is of some help. Melbourne Gasworks
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Re: Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks
rthorne475
Dear Frank,
I have a photo of 'SIR JOHN GRICE' in use at the gasworks, sent to me by John Buckland many years ago. While the plate is not all that clear, it can be clearly seen that it is nothing like the plate presently on the loco. The present plate is cast, with raised letters and edge. The name is in capitals but the letters 'IR' of 'SIR' are about half the height of the other letters. The original plate appears to be different in these respects: * Much thinner and probably made from thick sheet of brass. * Name written in capitals thus' SIRJOHN GRICE'... the letters S, J and G being about half an inch taller than the remainder. Bottom of all letters on same level. The letters are simple, non-serrif, quite thin lines and not as compressed as on the present plate. * The letters are darker than the plate, so presumably etched or cut into the brass and painted black (or similar) (as was the name 'JOHN BENN' in the well-known photo of that loco (Hainault 861/1886). * There is no raised edge to the plate (obviously, as it was a flat sheet). Rather there is an etched perimeter line, dark coloured, set about half an inch in from the edge of the plate. * The four fixing bolts (dome headed) are at the extreme corners of the plate.I trust that this is of some help. Regards, Richard Horne Croydon United Kingdom ________________________________ From: Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Monday, 12 January, 2009 3:08:23 Subject: [LRRSA] Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks "Light Railways" No.90 had a photograph of Peckett 0-4-0ST loco "Sir John Grice" (B/No.1711 of 1926) in service at the West Melbourne Gasworks. That photo is not very distinct in the area where the nameplate should be, but it appears the nameplate was either very flat, or it has dropped off! I am wondering if anyone knows of any other photos of the loco in service at the gasworks, showing the nameplate. The loco is now owned by the Puffing Billy Railway and is in need of a repaint. It is proposed to paint it as it was when delivered from the Peckett Company, and the question has been raised as to whether the nameplate currently fitted is similar to that originally fitted. Regards, Frank Stamford
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Peckett locomotive "Sir John Grice" - West Melbourne Gasworks
Frank Stamford
"Light Railways" No.90 had a photograph of Peckett 0-4-0ST loco "Sir
John Grice" (B/No.1711 of 1926) in service at the West Melbourne Gasworks. That photo is not very distinct in the area where the nameplate should be, but it appears the nameplate was either very flat, or it has dropped off! I am wondering if anyone knows of any other photos of the loco in service at the gasworks, showing the nameplate. The loco is now owned by the Puffing Billy Railway and is in need of a repaint. It is proposed to paint it as it was when delivered from the Peckett Company, and the question has been raised as to whether the nameplate currently fitted is similar to that originally fitted. Regards, Frank Stamford
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Re: NSW boiler records
PH
This is very interesting, my "reverse engineering" question re chimney
height may yet be vindicated. Thanks to Peter Evans it looks like 50 HP is the figure for my chimney. If we could find the boiler registration WOW! Philip Hammon Managing Director Scenic World, Blue Mountains Cnr Violet Street & Cliff Drive Katoomba Australia NSW 2780 PO Box 1042 Katoomba NSW 2780 T +61 (0) 2 47 800 200 F +61 (0) 2 47 825 675 Direct Ext +61 (0) 2 47 800 220 www.scenicworld.com.au <http://www.scenicworld.com.au/> ________________________________ From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Iain Stuart Sent: Monday, 12 January 2009 8:46 AM To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Subject: [LRRSA] NSW boiler records I actually used to know the answer to this question in relation to NSW boiler records. As I recall they do exist and there was some program to preserve them run through the Powerhouse Museum (unlikely as that may seem since the Powerhouse is fixated on things like Kylie's Hotpants). If there is still a section of steam engines in the Museum they might be able to answer. I will also ask around on the engineering heritage discussion group and on TICCIH in OZ NSW State Records would be really good if any of you were related to a boiler or if one of your boilers had come out here as a convict. Yours Dr Iain Stuart Partner JCIS Consultants ABN 15 673 291 522 PO Box 2397 Burwood North NSW 2134 Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191 (0413) 380116 <mailto:info@jcis.net.au <mailto:info%40jcis.net.au> > info@jcis.net.au <mailto:info%40jcis.net.au> Our website is www.jcis.net.au
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NSW boiler records
Iain
I actually used to know the answer to this question in relation to NSW
boiler records. As I recall they do exist and there was some program to preserve them run through the Powerhouse Museum (unlikely as that may seem since the Powerhouse is fixated on things like Kylie's Hotpants). If there is still a section of steam engines in the Museum they might be able to answer. I will also ask around on the engineering heritage discussion group and on TICCIH in OZ NSW State Records would be really good if any of you were related to a boiler or if one of your boilers had come out here as a convict. Yours Dr Iain Stuart Partner JCIS Consultants ABN 15 673 291 522 PO Box 2397 Burwood North NSW 2134 Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191 (0413) 380116 <mailto:info@jcis.net.au> info@jcis.net.au Our website is www.jcis.net.au
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Re: NSW Boiler Records : How and Where?
Peter Evans
When I could not find the Victorian boiler records under any "mainsteam"
industrial department archives, I was advised by an archivist at the Victorian Public Records office to write a history of the boiler inspection legislation. I did so, found out that the records I wanted were under the oversight of the Mines Department and, "bingo", there they were. I'm sure the Mitchell library has copies of the NSW statutes and an index to them, so an afternoon's work should suffice to find out under which department the responsibility for boiler examinations in NSW resided. The regulations promulgated under the boiler inspection act will tell you what sort of original records were generated. Armed with that information, you can go to your archivist at Public Records NSW and ask to see the list of record series for that department. As Richard suggests, you may be looking in vain - industrial history generally sits poorly with archivists driven by government imperatives to "service" customers who mainly consist of those damned genealogists who always sit in pairs and never shut up . Never mind the fact that industrial history and heritage affected more lives than all the grand houses combined. The Victorian archives authorized he destruction of all the correspondence files associated with industrial boilers as late as the early 1980s leaving only the original registrations 1906-1935 extant. Similarly, the mining boiler records are limited to first registrations from 1927 to 1945. Cheers, PeterE. Peter Evans Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services 0407 537 837 www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/> peter@peterevans.com.au P please consider the environment before printing. This electronic mail contains information that is privileged and confidential, intended only for use of the individual(s) or entity named. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, copying or use of the information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error please delete it immediately from your system and inform me by return email and destroy the original message
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Re: Kuridala Shay
Chris Stratton
Thanks for that. I should have realised, my only excuse is that it was late
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and I was tired after driving home from Sydney. Regards, CS
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Re: NSW Boiler Records : How and Where?
rthorne475
I'm pretty sure that all the NSW boiler records were destroyed by an archivist who considered that they were of no interest. Others will doubtless confirm this (or otherwise).
Richard Horne ________________________________ From: Professor Klyzlr <johnd@fairlightau.com> To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Sunday, 11 January, 2009 0:17:43 Subject: [LRRSA] NSW Boiler Records : How and Where? Dear LRRSA NSW Team, I have just been given a minor friendly "kick in the backside" by one of our esteemed Victorian brothers, RE the fact that most other states have already published lists of their boiler records, with particular attention paid to - NG/Industrial locomotive, - mining and logging industry boilers, (think sawmills, mine sites), - and logging winch/hauler boilers. SO, the questions are - has anyone already chewed thru the NSW boiler records? - if not (or incomplete, I know many LRRSA persons do not consider sawmill or winch machinery to be "valid" LRRSA subject matter), where does One find said records? - How does One gain access to said records, once located? - What would be considered the "critical info" to collate? Just asking the questions... Happy Researching, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr
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NSW Boiler Records : How and Where?
Professor Klyzlr <johnd@...>
Dear LRRSA NSW Team,
I have just been given a minor friendly "kick in the backside" by one of our esteemed Victorian brothers, RE the fact that most other states have already published lists of their boiler records, with particular attention paid to - NG/Industrial locomotive, - mining and logging industry boilers, (think sawmills, mine sites), - and logging winch/hauler boilers. SO, the questions are - has anyone already chewed thru the NSW boiler records? - if not (or incomplete, I know many LRRSA persons do not consider sawmill or winch machinery to be "valid" LRRSA subject matter), where does One find said records? - How does One gain access to said records, once located? - What would be considered the "critical info" to collate? Just asking the questions... Happy Researching, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr
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Re: Kuridala Shay
John Dimitrievich <johnd@...>
Dear LRRSA Team,
No pics, but some info http://www.shaylocomotives.com/data/lima3354/sn-2478.htm Happy Researching, Aim to Improve, Prof Klyzlr
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