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LRRSA Adelaide Meeting, 4/12/2008, 20:00

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Title:   LRRSA Adelaide Meeting
 
Date:   Thursday 4 December 2008
Time:   20:00 - 22:30
Repeats:   This event repeats every other month on the first Thursday.
Location:   150 First Avenue, Royston Park
 
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Re: Fowler loco 'Perth'

John Browning
 

Would group members please note that I have e-mailed Mr Cosier and
offered to forward to Mr Neve any specific questions he may have.

It would probably be best if members who would like to communicate
further with Mr Cosier about any private details relating to Mr Neve
would do so off-list.

Best wishes

John Browning
Co-Moderator


Re: Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSW

Peter Evans
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Stephen Percy Larcombe
<splarcombe@...> wrote:


Barlow Rail was used on the Geelong-Melbourne railway line ...
And a quantity ended up on tramways at the Coopers Creek copper mine
(Victoria) as second-hand rail purchased from the Victorian Railways.
There are still odd fragments to be found in the bush.

This is very heavy rail not to be confused with the lighter and
similarly-sectioned "bridge rail" used in various mines and included
in BHP steel section catalogues in weights of 25 lb/yd and 18lb/yd as
late as 1925. I have seen some of this lighter rail in the bush in NSW.

Cheers,
PeterE.


Re: Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSW

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

Barlow Rail was used on the Geelong-Melbourne railway line, and a quote from June 28, 1855 taken from the Engineers Report state: ".... we have received a sufficient quantity of Barlow's Patent Rails to enable us to let out contracts for plate-layng at the Geelong end of the line."
The size and shape of Barlow's rail was suppose to enable it to be laid "... without the use of either transverse sleepers of longitudinal supports ..." (quote taken from Institution of Civil Engineers, May 14, 1850, Paper by William Henry Barlow on wrought iron permanent way laid down on the main line of the North Midland Railway).

Needless to say, Barlow Rail did not live up to expectations.

Yours

Stephen



To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.auFrom: shoetig@TPG.com.auDate: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 16:45:46 +1100Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSW

Hi Ian I can't really answer how widely Barlow rail was used.. I suspect, other than the original main line to Parramatta, very little. Nor can I suggest dates. There is photo of New Lambton Colliery which appears to show some laid down as a temporary siding, otherwise I have never seen evidence of it used as rail track. However over the year I have seen quite a deal used for structural purposes..as at Sunny Corner.Two more sites that come to mind are ... Great Cobar copper mine.. in furnace bases ....Fine Flower mercury mine.. supporting the flue roof (quite a lot in good condition ) In some railway yards, esp in Western NSW it was used to reinforce the brick bases of the hand cranes. In similar locations I have seen it as roofing of small road culverts.Regards John----- Original Message ----- From: Iain Stuart To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:08 PMSubject: [LRRSA] Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSWI have found what appear to be lots of Barlow rail at a mining site (c1884)at Sunny Corner. None of it is "in situ" it mostly is used for structuralpurposes in the tradition of using old rails for any purpose once they areno longer used for rails.This raises a few questions in my mind - was it likely that the Barlow railwas used in the mines and then reused (personally it seems too big for minetramways).How widely was Barlow rail used in NSW?When was Barlow rail replaced by bullhead or normal rails? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.Dr Iain StuartPartnerJCIS ConsultantsABN 15 673 291 522PO Box 2397Burwood NorthNSW 2134Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191(0413) 380116 <mailto:info@jcis.net.au> info@jcis.net.auOur website is www.jcis.net.au





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Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

paul <bandm@...>
 

Well it is 'narrow gauge', '4 wheel' and the target is carried (as freight).

Paul Napier
1.3. Re: Sale RAAF target tramway
Posted by: "richard horne" rthorne475@yahoo.co.uk rthorne475
Date: Tue Dec 2, 2008 5:18 am ((EST))

John has correctly identified the the photos of a target trolley that I referred to. I see that the photos, catalogued as PRO of Victoria Box 332 / 01, 02 & 03, are gloriously mis-captioned as 'narrow gauge 4 wheel freight wagon'.

Richard Horne

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Re: Fowler loco 'Perth'

kjcosier <kjcosier@...>
 

Hello again, I wish to know more about Peter Neve,if he is a LRRSA
member, and what he is doing owning a bunch of locomotives.


Re: Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSW

John Shoebridge
 

Hi Ian
I can't really answer how widely Barlow rail was used.. I suspect, other than the original main line to Parramatta, very little. Nor can I suggest dates.

There is photo of New Lambton Colliery which appears to show some laid down as a temporary siding, otherwise I have never seen evidence of it used as rail track.

However over the year I have seen quite a deal used for structural purposes..as at Sunny Corner.
Two more sites that come to mind are ... Great Cobar copper mine.. in furnace bases ....Fine Flower mercury mine.. supporting the flue roof (quite a lot in good condition )

In some railway yards, esp in Western NSW it was used to reinforce the brick bases of the hand cranes. In similar locations I have seen it as roofing of small road culverts.
Regards
John

----- Original Message -----
From: Iain Stuart
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:08 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSW


I have found what appear to be lots of Barlow rail at a mining site (c1884)
at Sunny Corner. None of it is "in situ" it mostly is used for structural
purposes in the tradition of using old rails for any purpose once they are
no longer used for rails.

This raises a few questions in my mind - was it likely that the Barlow rail
was used in the mines and then reused (personally it seems too big for mine
tramways).

How widely was Barlow rail used in NSW?

When was Barlow rail replaced by bullhead or normal rails?

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants

ABN 15 673 291 522

PO Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191

(0413) 380116

<mailto:info@jcis.net.au> info@jcis.net.au

Our website is www.jcis.net.au


Barlow Rail at Sunny Corner, NSW

Iain
 

I have found what appear to be lots of Barlow rail at a mining site (c1884)
at Sunny Corner. None of it is "in situ" it mostly is used for structural
purposes in the tradition of using old rails for any purpose once they are
no longer used for rails.



This raises a few questions in my mind - was it likely that the Barlow rail
was used in the mines and then reused (personally it seems too big for mine
tramways).

How widely was Barlow rail used in NSW?

When was Barlow rail replaced by bullhead or normal rails?



Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.



Dr Iain Stuart

Partner

JCIS Consultants



ABN 15 673 291 522



PO Box 2397

Burwood North

NSW 2134

Ph/Fax (02) 9701 0191

(0413) 380116

<mailto:info@jcis.net.au> info@jcis.net.au

Our website is www.jcis.net.au


Re: Fowler loco 'Perth'

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee,
            Without going through my records (given its a steamer I wouldn't not remember off hand) I am assuming this is one of the privately owned ones owned by Peter Neve.
  Probably not best to give out the actual location without his permission. I will send this to him just in case he isn't on the group.
  If it isn't one of his, then just delete this posting and move on :-)

Cheers
Brad

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--- On Mon, 12/1/08, kjcosier <kjcosier@tpg.com.au> wrote:
From: kjcosier <kjcosier@tpg.com.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] Fowler loco 'Perth'
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Monday, 1 December, 2008, 8:43 PM











Hello, I wish to bring to your attention a Fowler 0-6-0T-T stored in

Loftus, named Perth. I believe it's works number to be CN 8766. Does

anyone know anything about it's whereabouts? I know it was used at the

Macknade Mill.



























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Fowler loco 'Perth'

kjcosier <kjcosier@...>
 

Hello, I wish to bring to your attention a Fowler 0-6-0T-T stored in
Loftus, named Perth. I believe it's works number to be CN 8766. Does
anyone know anything about it's whereabouts? I know it was used at the
Macknade Mill.


Light Railways 204 posted, website updated, new books, and Melbourne meeting

Frank Stamford
 

"Light Railways" No.204 December 2008 was packed last night and posted
today.

The LRRSA web site has also been updated to included LR 204,
information on three books new to the LRRSA Sales Department, and
adding new links to other websites, viz:

Industrial locomotives of south Asia
Poland - narrow gauge railways
USA - Gilpin tramway
USA - Wiscasset Waterfall & Farmington Railway

(The introduction page of the Polish narrow gauge railways website is
in English, the rest in Polish, but Google translate does a reasonable
job of Polish.)

The three books new to the LRRSA Sales Department are:

Copper at the 'Curry
Wheels in Motion
One for the Road

"Copper at the 'Curry" is a new book by Norm Houghton, published by
the author, about copper mining at Cloncurry, Queensland, with
emphasis on the railays and tramways. The book is so new that it is
not listed in the December LRRSA Sales List, but is on the website and
the online shop. It was delivered to the publisher last Thursday, and
we got our stock yesterday.

On the other hand, "Wheels in Motion" and "One for the Road" were
published by the author about ten years ago. Until recently the author
did not offer this at wholesale prices. At least one of these two
books will go out of print shortly ("Wheels in Motion" I think). Both
books are about Queensland sugar tramways, and include maps of most
systems. More details are on our website.

By the way, the price of "One for the Road" is incorrectly stated at
$55.00 in the December LRRSA Sales List. The correct price is $49.50
($44.55 to LRRSA members). The price on the website and in the Online
Shop is correct.

The new LRRSA book "Shays, Crabs and Phosphate" has now been
published, and all the pre-publication orders have been posted.
International customers who chose surface mail may not see it until
February next year, unfortunately.

Finally, the December Melbourne meeting of the LRRSA will not be at
the normal location in Ashburton. "Light Railways" No.204 contains
information on the location of this meeting.

Regards,

Frank


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

rthorne475
 

John has correctly identified the the photos of a target trolley that I referred to. I see that the photos, catalogued as PRO of Victoria Box 332 / 01, 02 & 03, are gloriously mis-captioned as 'narrow gauge 4 wheel freight wagon'.

Richard Horne




________________________________
From: john browning <ceo8@iinet.net.au>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Monday, 1 December, 2008 10:06:32
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway


Ah . . .

I think that Richard is referring to another target tramway, this one
operating at Puckapunyal, also in Victoria.

It also used a three rail system.

Photos are on the Public Record Office of Victoria site.

Go to http://proarchives. imagineering. com.au/Index_ search.asp? searchid= 41
and start looking.

An initial search for 'target' found some interesting results.

John

John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia

PO Box 99

Annerley 4103

Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084

Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

John Browning
 

As Richard says, not well captioned.



If you search for 'narrow gauge' from
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=41 you'll
find some photos of a Puckapunyal target trolley at the bottom of the first
page of results.



John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

John Browning
 

Ah . . .



I think that Richard is referring to another target tramway, this one
operating at Puckapunyal, also in Victoria.

It also used a three rail system.



Photos are on the Public Record Office of Victoria site.



Go to http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=41
and start looking.



An initial search for 'target' found some interesting results.





John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

rthorne475
 

There are also pictures in 'Picture Australia' of one of the target trolleys, with and without the target, at what I assume is
VR's Newport Works. They probably appear under 'railways' and, although I can't now recall, I'd guess that the captions are totally erroneous (as are so many on this otherwise excellent site).


Regards,

Richard Horne


________________________________
From: Paul Napier <bandm@paradise.net.nz>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 8:51:50
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway


Several pictures of it in AWM online collection e.g. see
http://cas.awm. gov.au/TST2/ cst.acct_ master?
surl=602501615ZZZIG MWJKIPKT71345& stype=2&simplese arch=&v_umo= &v_product_
id=&screen_name= &screen_parms= &screen_type= RIGHT&bvers= 4&bplatform= Micro
soft%20Internet% 20Explorer& bos=Win32

For more search for 'sale target'

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au, "Scott Gould" <sncs@...> wrote:

Hi All,

With the recent traffic about navy divers, I thought I'd post another
armed forces question. I have seen a V.R. drawing showing a control
panel constructed for the RAAF for a target tramway at East Sale.
Shown
on the panel was an oval of track, with a siding off it. Do any
readers
have any knowledge of this operation?

Regards,

Scott


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

Paul Napier <bandm@...>
 

Several pictures of it in AWM online collection e.g. see
http://cas.awm.gov.au/TST2/cst.acct_master?
surl=602501615ZZZIGMWJKIPKT71345&stype=2&simplesearch=&v_umo=&v_product_
id=&screen_name=&screen_parms=&screen_type=RIGHT&bvers=4&bplatform=Micro
soft%20Internet%20Explorer&bos=Win32

For more search for 'sale target'

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Scott Gould" <sncs@...> wrote:

Hi All,

With the recent traffic about navy divers, I thought I'd post another
armed forces question. I have seen a V.R. drawing showing a control
panel constructed for the RAAF for a target tramway at East Sale.
Shown
on the panel was an oval of track, with a siding off it. Do any
readers
have any knowledge of this operation?

Regards,

Scott


Sale RAAF target tramway

Scott Gould <sncs@...>
 

Hi All,

With the recent traffic about navy divers, I thought I'd post another
armed forces question. I have seen a V.R. drawing showing a control
panel constructed for the RAAF for a target tramway at East Sale. Shown
on the panel was an oval of track, with a siding off it. Do any readers
have any knowledge of this operation?

Regards,

Scott


overseas narrow gauge

John Browning
 

For narrow gauge fans, here are some past and present photos of 2ft gauge
railways:



Gilpin Tram, USA http://www.gilpintram.com/gtrrpics.html



Fiji Sugar http://www.flickr.com/photos/davo_1620/



John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Timber tramways Google earth

halfpilotstaff
 

That is nothing short of fantastic!

I have always wanted to find out, in relation to today's Illawarra,
where the old coal lines ran. Having a copy of Gifford Eardley's
"Transporting the Black Diamond" Vol. 1 has been some of a help - but
as good as the maps in the book are, as a rule they're not to scale -
and the region has changed a hundredfold (in terms of development)
since those maps were originally drawn, some 50 or more years ago.
Consequently it can be very frustrating trying to locate where some
lines ran, oftentimes due to housing, expressways & the like virtually
obliterating any trace of the old lines.

For a railway archaeology buff such as myself, this is a dream come
true! :-D

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Petan" <yahoomail@...> wrote:

Timber tramways etc on Google earth via a link on Railpage
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11345356.htm

Cheers
Peter C


Timber tramways Google earth

Petan
 

Timber tramways etc on Google earth via a link on Railpage
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11345356.htm

Cheers
Peter C

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