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Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

John Browning
 

As Richard says, not well captioned.



If you search for 'narrow gauge' from
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=41 you'll
find some photos of a Puckapunyal target trolley at the bottom of the first
page of results.



John



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Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

John Browning
 

Ah . . .



I think that Richard is referring to another target tramway, this one
operating at Puckapunyal, also in Victoria.

It also used a three rail system.



Photos are on the Public Record Office of Victoria site.



Go to http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/Index_search.asp?searchid=41
and start looking.



An initial search for 'target' found some interesting results.





John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

rthorne475
 

There are also pictures in 'Picture Australia' of one of the target trolleys, with and without the target, at what I assume is
VR's Newport Works. They probably appear under 'railways' and, although I can't now recall, I'd guess that the captions are totally erroneous (as are so many on this otherwise excellent site).


Regards,

Richard Horne


________________________________
From: Paul Napier <bandm@paradise.net.nz>
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 8:51:50
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Sale RAAF target tramway


Several pictures of it in AWM online collection e.g. see
http://cas.awm. gov.au/TST2/ cst.acct_ master?
surl=602501615ZZZIG MWJKIPKT71345& stype=2&simplese arch=&v_umo= &v_product_
id=&screen_name= &screen_parms= &screen_type= RIGHT&bvers= 4&bplatform= Micro
soft%20Internet% 20Explorer& bos=Win32

For more search for 'sale target'

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups. com.au, "Scott Gould" <sncs@...> wrote:

Hi All,

With the recent traffic about navy divers, I thought I'd post another
armed forces question. I have seen a V.R. drawing showing a control
panel constructed for the RAAF for a target tramway at East Sale.
Shown
on the panel was an oval of track, with a siding off it. Do any
readers
have any knowledge of this operation?

Regards,

Scott


Re: Sale RAAF target tramway

Paul Napier <bandm@...>
 

Several pictures of it in AWM online collection e.g. see
http://cas.awm.gov.au/TST2/cst.acct_master?
surl=602501615ZZZIGMWJKIPKT71345&stype=2&simplesearch=&v_umo=&v_product_
id=&screen_name=&screen_parms=&screen_type=RIGHT&bvers=4&bplatform=Micro
soft%20Internet%20Explorer&bos=Win32

For more search for 'sale target'

Paul Napier

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Scott Gould" <sncs@...> wrote:

Hi All,

With the recent traffic about navy divers, I thought I'd post another
armed forces question. I have seen a V.R. drawing showing a control
panel constructed for the RAAF for a target tramway at East Sale.
Shown
on the panel was an oval of track, with a siding off it. Do any
readers
have any knowledge of this operation?

Regards,

Scott


Sale RAAF target tramway

Scott Gould <sncs@...>
 

Hi All,

With the recent traffic about navy divers, I thought I'd post another
armed forces question. I have seen a V.R. drawing showing a control
panel constructed for the RAAF for a target tramway at East Sale. Shown
on the panel was an oval of track, with a siding off it. Do any readers
have any knowledge of this operation?

Regards,

Scott


overseas narrow gauge

John Browning
 

For narrow gauge fans, here are some past and present photos of 2ft gauge
railways:



Gilpin Tram, USA http://www.gilpintram.com/gtrrpics.html



Fiji Sugar http://www.flickr.com/photos/davo_1620/



John



John Browning
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Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Timber tramways Google earth

halfpilotstaff
 

That is nothing short of fantastic!

I have always wanted to find out, in relation to today's Illawarra,
where the old coal lines ran. Having a copy of Gifford Eardley's
"Transporting the Black Diamond" Vol. 1 has been some of a help - but
as good as the maps in the book are, as a rule they're not to scale -
and the region has changed a hundredfold (in terms of development)
since those maps were originally drawn, some 50 or more years ago.
Consequently it can be very frustrating trying to locate where some
lines ran, oftentimes due to housing, expressways & the like virtually
obliterating any trace of the old lines.

For a railway archaeology buff such as myself, this is a dream come
true! :-D

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Petan" <yahoomail@...> wrote:

Timber tramways etc on Google earth via a link on Railpage
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11345356.htm

Cheers
Peter C


Timber tramways Google earth

Petan
 

Timber tramways etc on Google earth via a link on Railpage
http://www.railpage.com.au/f-t11345356.htm

Cheers
Peter C


Re: Navy Divers

paul <bandm@...>
 

Brian,

In Aussie they may have been set to 'B'. = Boomerang.

Paul Napier

________________________________________________________________________
2.1. Re: Navy Divers
Posted by: "Brian Rumary" brian@rumary.co.uk purnellsuk
Date: Sat Nov 15, 2008 5:39 am ((EST))

Bill Bolton wrote:

The torpedoes were then retrieved by a patrolling launch.
Torpedoes are usually set to sink after they run out of fuel, if they fail
to hit their target first. I assume these test rounds were set to float
instead, to make it easier to retrieve them.

In 39 years only three of the torpedoes went awry, luckily with no
human casualties.
I doubt that they were fitted with live warheads for these tests, or if they
did, then the impact fuses would have been disabled!

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


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Re: Navy Divers

B.Rumary
 

Bill Bolton wrote:

The torpedoes were then retrieved by a patrolling
launch.
Torpedoes are usually set to sink after they run out of fuel, if they
fail to hit their target first. I assume these test rounds were set to
float instead, to make it easier to retrieve them.

In 39 years only three of the torpedoes went awry, luckily
with no human casualties.
I doubt that they were fitted with live warheads for these tests, or if
they did, then the impact fuses would have been disabled!

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


Re: Gold & Hydro tour this W/end

glenn_howe
 

LRRSA Gold & Hydro tour flyer was sent out in the October "Light
Railways" mailout, might have only been a Vic thing (this one's
tramways of a Harrietville gold mine & Kiewa hydro scheme).I posted
the booking form & haven't recieved an email with the details.
Glenn

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John M." <ajmore@...> wrote:

Glenn, I suspect that you are referring to the Engineering Heritage
Victoria tour to Cobungra, Cassilis et al this weekend.

Have a look at their web-site:
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~engherit/wgo.htm

John M.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "glenn_howe" <glenn_howe@> wrote:


Hi All,

My booking form for this tour seems to have gone astray, can
anyone
please tell me the time & place to meet?

Cheers,

Glenn Howe.


Re: Gold & Hydro tour this W/end

John M. <ajmore@...>
 

Glenn, I suspect that you are referring to the Engineering Heritage
Victoria tour to Cobungra, Cassilis et al this weekend.

Have a look at their web-site: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~engherit/wgo.htm

John M.

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "glenn_howe" <glenn_howe@...> wrote:


Hi All,

My booking form for this tour seems to have gone astray, can anyone
please tell me the time & place to meet?

Cheers,

Glenn Howe.


Re: Gold & Hydro tour this W/end

glenn_howe
 

Hi Prof,

I think you'ld be lucky to get to Swifts Creek in time to see much;
if you haven't been before then Warburton offers more to see in the
time you have. I'd throw in a visit to the Bump tunnel site - the
east portal used to be easy to make out and the remains of the
Latrobe river trestle nearby; possibly a detour down Dowie Spur Road
to the High Lead summit then a short walk down to the Ada No2
mill "sacred site" to pay homage to the saddle tank from "Squirt" -
should be roughly West - SW direction from the in situ mill boiler.

The G & H tour is close to home for me & is a rare chance for me to
meet people who share our branch of rail fanning - looking at things
that aren't there anymore!

Have fun,

Glenn Howe


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "John Dimitrievich" <johnd@...>
wrote:

Dear Glenn,


Don't know about the G&H tour,

but I'll be picking up a car from Tullamarine around 13:00,

and hope to hit either the Warburton winches or Swifts Creek
Washington
by sundown,

(I have a studio installation to do on Sunday, so want to make the
best
use of Sat possible... :-) ).



Happy Researching, and Modelling,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr









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Re: Gold & Hydro tour this W/end

John Dimitrievich <johnd@...>
 

Dear Glenn,



Don't know about the G&H tour,

but I'll be picking up a car from Tullamarine around 13:00,

and hope to hit either the Warburton winches or Swifts Creek Washington
by sundown,

(I have a studio installation to do on Sunday, so want to make the best
use of Sat possible... :-) ).



Happy Researching, and Modelling,

Aim to Improve,

Prof Klyzlr


Gold & Hydro tour this W/end

glenn_howe
 

Hi All,

My booking form for this tour seems to have gone astray, can anyone
please tell me the time & place to meet?

Cheers,

Glenn Howe.


Baldwin locomotive blueprint lists for 1938 to end of production.

Brian Millar <rallim56@...>
 

Iam also a member of a group called "NarrowGaugeRailroadDrawingsPlans"
and recieved this notice, I thought someone on this group my also be
interested in the following, but take note of the text down the bottom.
Baldwin locomotive blueprint lists for 1938 to end of production.

Did you know that you can put together a list of blueprints that went
with any Baldwin Loco built after 1938.
The "Pennsylvania State Archives" has all of the Baldwin blueprints
and information that existed at the end of business in the mid 1950's
and this collection goes back to 1938 when the Baldwin cataloguing
system changed dramatically. Nothing exists in this collection that
was built prior to 1938.

A person wanting to have these drawing lists, which are required to
compile himself a full list of drawings for any 1938+ Baldwin
locomotive, is faced with the prospect of having to purchase the
microfilm for $100, then either spend about $300-$500 for a decent
microfilm reader or go to a public library that offers the use of a
microfilm reader every time he wanted to do some research on his
microfilm list.

There is a group planning to buy a copy of these drawing lists on
microfilm and have the lists professionally transferred onto DVD. We
want to gather as many people as possible that are all interested in
having these lists. Everyone is going to pitch in a small amount
(depending on how many people participate and the cost split equally
between each member). Each project member will receive a finished DVD
containing the blueprint lists mailed to your continental USA address
for your participation in the project. Those living outside the
Continental USA can add a few bucks to cover their particular
shipping costs. If we can get 20 people to participate the cost will
be about $20 each.

The DVD you purchase will not contain any blueprints!


Those interested should PM me here. I'll keep track of the number or
participants and let you all know your cost prior to asking for your
portion of the project. There will be no profit on this group project.

Below is a partial list of all the Baldwin "narrow gauge" locomotives
that were built after 1938. Every locomotive listed here along with
probably 15 times more standard gauge locomotives would be able to be
searched and you could then compile a list of drawings for all those
locomotives.

Wheel pattern, Gauge, Road name, Driver diameter, Cylinder; bore and
stroke, Boiler pressure, Tractive effort

4-4-0 3' F.C.U. de Yucatan-Mexico
2-6-2 M Empresas de Mineracao-Brazil
4-6-0 M E. de F. de Goias-Brasil 43-14x20-195-15,100
4-6-2 M Govt. of India-India
4-6-2 M Jodhpur Rlys-India
2-8-0 3'-6" Guayoquil e Quito Rly-Ecuador (2 classes) 42-19x22-200-
32,150
2-8-2 2' Mysore Iron Work-India 33-12x18
2-8-2 2' Scindia Rlys-India 33-12x18
2-8-2 M Govt. of India-India
2-8-2 3'-6" United Fruit Co.-Bananero de Costa Rico 36-16x20-190-
22,900
2-8-2 M Estrados Unidos do Brazil-Brazil
2-8-2 3', M, 3'-6" US Govt-War Dept 48-16x24 (Alco design)
2-8-2 M Estrada de Ferro Rio Janeiro-Brazil
2-8-2 3' White Pass & Yukon
2-8-2 3' F.C. de Antioquia-Columbia
2-8-2 3' United Fruit Co.-Cia Agricola de Guatemala 40-18x22-180-
27,265 (also Maritrop Trading Co.)
2-8-2 M Cia Mogiana de E. de F.-Brazil
2-8-2 M Sao Paulo-Parana Cia Ferroviarro-Brazil
2-8-2 M Cia Vale de Rio Doce-Brazil
2-8-2 M Leopoldina Rly-Brazil
2-8-2 3'-6" Mozambique Rlys (2 classes)
2-8-2 M Chilean State Rlys-Chile
2-8-2 3'-6" Broken Hill Proprietary Co.-Australia 48-21x24-200-37,500
4-8-0 3' El Ferrocarril de Ambalema Ibaque-Columbia
4-8-2 M Argentine State Rlys
4-8-2 3' Ferrocarril de Pacifico-Columbia
4-8-2 3' Ferrocarril Nacionales-Columbia
4-8-2 M F.C. Del Norte-Columbia 46-19x22-220-30,500
4-8-2 M Rede de Viacao Parana Santa Caterina-Brazil
4-8-4 M Viacaoe Obras Publicas-Brazil
2-10-2 3'-6" Ferro e Transportes da Colonia de Mozambique-Mozambique
2-10-4 M E. de F. Central Do Brasil-Brazil 48 1/4-20x24-243-41,100
2-6-6-2 M Estrados Unido Do Brasil-Brazil
2-6-6-2 M Ministry of Communications of Public Work-Brazil
2-6-6-2 M E.F. Dona Teresa Cristina-Brazil

In addition to these there were also quite a number of electric and
diesel locomotives listed in both standard gauge and narrow gauge .

Loco112


also, "Narrow Gauge rivet counters" take note;

Anyone buying a copy of these lists specifically for the "narrow
gauge" Baldwin locomotives needs to be a member of a new forum
dedicated to the search for narrow gauge railroad blueprints and
information, and we are going to feature super accurate Narrow Gauge
projects. This is not a "model" site, it is about accurate prototype
information, so small scale modelers will not find anything here and
are not allowed to join based on their small scale modeling alone.
The forum is at; http://www.narrowgaugeexchange.org

Read all of the following before you apply to register;
http://www.narrowgaugeexchange.org/viewforum.php?f=2
Cheers
Brian.Millar

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eddie Oliver" <eoliver@iprimus.com.au>
To: <LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Navy Divers


Eddie Oliver wrote:
I recall going on an organised inspection of the Clareville railway many
years ago, but I don't recall who organised it - was it an LRRSA event?
I see now that Bob has already answered this question several hours ago,
but yahoo did not see fit to distribute the message with any speed.

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Re: Navy Divers

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Eddie Oliver wrote:
I recall going on an organised inspection of the Clareville railway many years ago, but I don't recall who organised it - was it an LRRSA event?
I see now that Bob has already answered this question several hours ago, but yahoo did not see fit to distribute the message with any speed.


Re: Navy Divers

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

I recall going on an organised inspection of the Clareville railway many years ago, but I don't recall who organised it - was it an LRRSA event?


Re: Navy Divers

Bill Bolton
 

On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 22:46:07 +1000, Frank wrote:

It's over 20 years since I was in the Torpedo testing station on
Pittwater, but I seem to remember reading that there were tram
tracks set in the concrete for moving the torpedoes around the
facility on hand powered trolleys.
I did a bit of digging around and found this....

http://www.pittlink.net/ls/Clareville.html

"The RAN operated a torpedo range at Taylors Point from 1941 to 1983,
to test the firing ability and the range of torpedoes before they were
issued to submarines. 5059 torpedoes in total were fired from Taylors
Point up Pittwater. Navy launches cleared small craft from the firing
area, a large red warning flag was unfurled from the firing shed and a
siren sounded.

Three pontoons were positioned in the water from which the speed and
accuracy of the torpedo�s course were registered and relayed back in
the firing tower. The torpedoes were then retrieved by a patrolling
launch. In 39 years only three of the torpedoes went awry, luckily
with no human casualties. In 1983 the firing station and outer wharf
were removed and the centre was converted to a diving and hydrographic
school for HMAS Penguin."

- Nan Bosler, The Fascinating History of Pittwater, Part two. 1998

There's also a (poor) photo of the Torpedo School jetty with narrow
gauge track on it here...

http://www.pittlink.net/ls/Images/cl5.jpg

... and another view from on the water here....

http://www.pittlink.net/ls/Images/cl5.jpg

The white building at landward end of the jetty with the roller door
looks like the same shape/size as the building the divers were in on
the most recent episode of "Navy Divers".

The attachment of the facility to the HMAS Penguin establishment
(noted above) would make the use of it quite consistent with the
filmmaker's statements of having shot on location at Penguin and
Waterhen.

Cheers,

Bill


Bill Bolton
Sydney, Australia


Re: Navy Divers

BM
 

John Shoebridge wrote:
Judging from the backgrounds... the sequences in "Navy Divers" appear to have been filmed at Balmoral, Waverton and old torpedo range in Pittwater. Perhaps the latter location is where the rails are located.

Some 25-30 years ago the NSW Division of the LRRSA made a field visit to the Navy depot at Pittwater where we inspected the narrow gauge railway and rode on 'trains' behind a 4wBE locomotive. I have a number of photos of the event.
Bob McKillop

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