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Re: Shays, Crabs & Phosphate pre-publication price

Frank Stamford
 

Sorry, that message was not intended for the Yahoo Group !!

Frank




--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
wrote:


Good morning Brian,

Thank you for your message.

The pre-publication offer is now on the Online shop under the "LRRSA
members only" section - LRRSA books.


Regards,

Frank



At 09:44 PM 14/10/2008, you wrote:

I have just received "Light Railways" November, with a flyer anouncing
the forthcoming book "Shays, Crabs & Phosphate". However when I go to
the LRRSA website this book is not yet listed.

Note that I live in the UK so I would prefer use the on-line ordering
facility to put in a pre-publication order at the member's price. Will
this book be listed on the website in time for me to do this before the
pre-publication offer runs out?

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


Re: Shays, Crabs & Phosphate pre-publication price

Frank Stamford
 

Good morning Brian,

Thank you for your message.

The pre-publication offer is now on the Online shop under the "LRRSA members only" section - LRRSA books.

I am also about to send an email to Andrew Smith of IRS to see if IRS would be interested in buying a bulk quantity of this book, as the high cost of postage would be reduced this way, and we would give IRS a 40% discount. I gather there might be a fair amount of interest in this book in the UK.

Regards,

Frank

At 09:44 PM 14/10/2008, you wrote:

I have just received "Light Railways" November, with a flyer anouncing
the forthcoming book "Shays, Crabs & Phosphate". However when I go to
the LRRSA website this book is not yet listed.

Note that I live in the UK so I would prefer use the on-line ordering
facility to put in a pre-publication order at the member's price. Will
this book be listed on the website in time for me to do this before the
pre-publication offer runs out?

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


From the Co-Moderator

John Browning
 

For the first time, I feel the need to make an intervention in the role of
co-moderator.



A glance at the charter of our e-group (as summarised on the group Home
Page) will show that its membership is not restricted to LRRSA members and
that the relevant subject matter for the group does indeed include "LRRSA
News". However, there is no suggestion that the internal governance or
policies of LRRSA are an appropriate topic for discussion.



I believe that we have recently strayed into this area with a few members
starting a debate into whether or not it is wise for non-members of LRRSA to
be eligible to receive certain benefits that could possibly be reserved to
members only.



This is probably a very important debate which deserves to be considered
seriously in the appropriate forum.



However, apart from the fact that I believe it is off-topic, there are two
other good reasons why I believe that it should be excluded from this
e-group



1. These are internal Society matters and many members of the group are
not members of LRRSA



2. My experience of other groups is that it is the type of topic where
discussion can quickly degenerate, with a level of invective and personal
commentary sometimes coming into play. When this begins to happen (and I am
not saying it has on this group so far) things can soon get out of hand and
people who joined the group for their interest in what the group claims to
be about will leave in disgust.



Participants in the group who have comments to make about the governance and
internal policies of LRRSA are encouraged to direct them to the legally
constituted and democratically elected Council of the society. If you look
inside the front cover of "Light Railways" magazine you will find postal
contact details. You will also find the names of the current President and
Secretary listed. Most people will recognise that both these gentlemen are
members of this group and so can be easily contacted off list by anyone not
inclined to ring their telephone numbers and discuss with them any concerns
they might have.



The President is Bill Hanks, and I imagine it is possible that not everyone
reading his recent messages to this group would have realised that he holds
this official role in LRRSA.



Apart from the perfectly legitimate involvement in the Society's affairs
which members of LRRSA may choose to exercise, anyone is free to set up an
e-group whose expressed purpose is the discussion of LRRSA internal
governance and policies. I will exercise my democratic right not to join
such a e-group but I would have nothing against anyone who chooses to do so.



So I'd like to make it clear to everyone that this group is not the place to
debate these matters in future. Please do not take this as any kind of
attempt to reprimand or pass judgement on those who have engaged in recent
sparring on the topic "LRRSA tours". I have no reason to believe that their
comments were intended to be anything but apposite and constructive.



If we can continue the productive, valuable and collaborative on-topic
discussions which make this group one of the most pleasant that I am
associated with, I am sure everyone will be delighted. I know that I will
be. Please be assured that my intention today is to keep the group
functional and positive and to avoid any chance of needless and potentially
damaging divisions on off-topic subjects.



If you feel the need to give me the benefit of your comments on what I have
said here, please do not hesitate to do so - off-list!



With thanks and best wishes to all





John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Bill Russell wrote:

If the members of the NRMA (and the NMRA for that) want to attend a LRRSA event why don't they suppoort the event and the LRRSA by joining the LRRSA?.
It looks as if costs of this event are a minimum, so the LRRSA is not using it as a fund raiser. It is not as if the cost of joining the LRRSA is huge, compared to other information sharing events (conferences etc) the costs are low.
The membership of the LRRSA appears to be aging, and this has been mentioned in the latest mag. Perhaps we need to think before we give away our goodies, they could be an inducement to attract younger members.
I am not against volunteer organisations doing goood for the public. However such organisations need to consider their future. If the benefits of an organisation are available to outsiders without any commitment from them, then the organisations failure to thrive may be considered to have been self inflicted.
A brilliant analysis, Bill. There have to be perceived incentives for people to join any society these days (at least if it costs money to do so), and if you offer the relevant services for free, what motivation is there to join?


Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

Bill Hanks wrote:
A number of the NMRA members are also members of the LRRSA. The
cross pollination that occurs between kindred societies such as
attending each other's meetings and activities is regarded as being
beneficial to all groups.
Regarded thus by whom, and for what reasons?


Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Bill Russell
 

G'day All,

Cross pollination is a good thing. This is not my point. If I belong to
group Y, some of whose members belong to group X should I be entitled to
attend group X functions? If I do not belong to group Z then I would not expect
to attend group Z's functions, unless such functions were open to the general
public.

Regards,

Bill Russell

On 15 Oct 2008 at 12:46, Bill Hanks wrote:

A number of the NMRA members are also members of the LRRSA. The cross pollination that occurs between kindred societies such as attending each other's meetings and activities is regarded as being beneficial to all groups.



Bill Hanks



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Bill Russell
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:17 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



G'day All,

If the members of the NRMA (and the NMRA for that) want to attend
a LRRSA event why don't they suppoort the event and the LRRSA by joining
the LRRSA?.

It looks as if costs of this event are a minimum, so the LRRSA is not
using it as a fund raiser. It is not as if the cost of joining the LRRSA is huge,
compared to other information sharing events (conferences etc) the costs are
low.

The membership of the LRRSA appears to be aging, and this has
been mentioned in the latest mag. Perhaps we need to think before we give
away our goodies, they could be an inducement to attract younger members.

I am not against volunteer organisations doing goood for the public.
However such organisations need to consider their future. If the benefits of an
organisation are available to outsiders without any commitment from them,
then the organisations failure to thrive may be considered to have been self
inflicted.

Regards,

Bill Russell.

On 14 Oct 2008 at 9:12, Bill Hanks wrote:

G'day Rod,



You are absolutely correct. A tour of the Ovens region is planned for the weekend of the 15th and 16th of November.

I apologise for not having informed you and the NRMA of this earlier, but will ensure that you receive the flyer shortly.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 8:54 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



To whom it may concern,

I heard a rumour that LRRSA is planning a tour to the Ovens region
Goldfields. In the past members of the NMRA and other non members of
the LRRSA (is that good English?) have been permitted to attend.

If non-members may attend would someone be in a position to post some
details I can forward?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Melbourne, Australia








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Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

bll_hnks
 

A number of the NMRA members are also members of the LRRSA. The cross pollination that occurs between kindred societies such as attending each other's meetings and activities is regarded as being beneficial to all groups.



Bill Hanks



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Bill Russell
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 12:17 PM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



G'day All,

If the members of the NRMA (and the NMRA for that) want to attend
a LRRSA event why don't they suppoort the event and the LRRSA by joining
the LRRSA?.

It looks as if costs of this event are a minimum, so the LRRSA is not
using it as a fund raiser. It is not as if the cost of joining the LRRSA is huge,
compared to other information sharing events (conferences etc) the costs are
low.

The membership of the LRRSA appears to be aging, and this has
been mentioned in the latest mag. Perhaps we need to think before we give
away our goodies, they could be an inducement to attract younger members.

I am not against volunteer organisations doing goood for the public.
However such organisations need to consider their future. If the benefits of an
organisation are available to outsiders without any commitment from them,
then the organisations failure to thrive may be considered to have been self
inflicted.

Regards,

Bill Russell.

On 14 Oct 2008 at 9:12, Bill Hanks wrote:

G'day Rod,



You are absolutely correct. A tour of the Ovens region is planned for the weekend of the 15th and 16th of November.

I apologise for not having informed you and the NRMA of this earlier, but will ensure that you receive the flyer shortly.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 8:54 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au>
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



To whom it may concern,

I heard a rumour that LRRSA is planning a tour to the Ovens region
Goldfields. In the past members of the NMRA and other non members of
the LRRSA (is that good English?) have been permitted to attend.

If non-members may attend would someone be in a position to post some
details I can forward?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Melbourne, Australia





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Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Bill Russell
 

G'day All,

If the members of the NRMA (and the NMRA for that) want to attend
a LRRSA event why don't they suppoort the event and the LRRSA by joining
the LRRSA?.

It looks as if costs of this event are a minimum, so the LRRSA is not
using it as a fund raiser. It is not as if the cost of joining the LRRSA is huge,
compared to other information sharing events (conferences etc) the costs are
low.

The membership of the LRRSA appears to be aging, and this has
been mentioned in the latest mag. Perhaps we need to think before we give
away our goodies, they could be an inducement to attract younger members.

I am not against volunteer organisations doing goood for the public.
However such organisations need to consider their future. If the benefits of an
organisation are available to outsiders without any commitment from them,
then the organisations failure to thrive may be considered to have been self
inflicted.

Regards,

Bill Russell.

On 14 Oct 2008 at 9:12, Bill Hanks wrote:

G'day Rod,



You are absolutely correct. A tour of the Ovens region is planned for the weekend of the 15th and 16th of November.

I apologise for not having informed you and the NRMA of this earlier, but will ensure that you receive the flyer shortly.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 8:54 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



To whom it may concern,

I heard a rumour that LRRSA is planning a tour to the Ovens region
Goldfields. In the past members of the NMRA and other non members of
the LRRSA (is that good English?) have been permitted to attend.

If non-members may attend would someone be in a position to post some
details I can forward?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Melbourne, Australia








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Re: Soldering Stainless Steel [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

bll_hnks
 

Rod,



Try contacting one of the model engineering suppliers. They should be
able to help.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
Sent: Wednesday, 15 October 2008 8:50 AM
To: ausnarrowgauge@yahoogroups.com; Technical Help ; LRRSA
Subject: [LRRSA] Soldering Stainless Steel [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]




Can anyone provide advice on fluxes and solder for soldering stainless
steel please?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson


Soldering Stainless Steel [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

Can anyone provide advice on fluxes and solder for soldering stainless
steel please?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson


Shays, Crabs & Phosphate pre-publication price

B.Rumary
 

I have just received "Light Railways" November, with a flyer anouncing
the forthcoming book "Shays, Crabs & Phosphate". However when I go to
the LRRSA website this book is not yet listed.

Note that I live in the UK so I would prefer use the on-line ordering
facility to put in a pre-publication order at the member's price. Will
this book be listed on the website in time for me to do this before the
pre-publication offer runs out?

Brian Rumary, England

www.rumary.co.uk


Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

Hi Bill,

Thanks very kind of you. Our next NMRA meet is 9th November so If you
can provide an electronic flyer, I'll circulate it on the membership
list.

Regards to all you tinkerers and historians
Rod Hutchinson
---------------

Subject: RE: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

G'day Rod,

You are absolutely correct. A tour of the Ovens region is planned for
the weekend of the 15th and 16th of November.

I apologise for not having informed you and the NRMA of this earlier,
but will ensure that you receive the flyer shortly.

Regards,

Bill Hanks.


Re: LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

bll_hnks
 

G'day Rod,



You are absolutely correct. A tour of the Ovens region is planned for the weekend of the 15th and 16th of November.

I apologise for not having informed you and the NRMA of this earlier, but will ensure that you receive the flyer shortly.



Regards,



Bill Hanks.



From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Rod Hutchinson
Sent: Tuesday, 14 October 2008 8:54 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]



To whom it may concern,

I heard a rumour that LRRSA is planning a tour to the Ovens region
Goldfields. In the past members of the NMRA and other non members of
the LRRSA (is that good English?) have been permitted to attend.

If non-members may attend would someone be in a position to post some
details I can forward?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Melbourne, Australia





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LRRSA Tours [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Rod Hutchinson <r.hutchinson@...>
 

To whom it may concern,

I heard a rumour that LRRSA is planning a tour to the Ovens region
Goldfields. In the past members of the NMRA and other non members of
the LRRSA (is that good English?) have been permitted to attend.

If non-members may attend would someone be in a position to post some
details I can forward?

Regards
Rod Hutchinson
Melbourne, Australia


Tramway Notes - trawled on the web - 13

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

Readers may be interested in this item from "The Brisbane Courier",
Tuesday 17 January 1865:

'The work at the new parliamentary buildings, near to Government
House, has been proceeding rapidly. A great deal of the excavation has
been done, and some portion of the foundation is already in.

A very ingeniously constructed tramway, with hardwood rails, has been
constructed for the purpose of conveying the large blocks of stone
from the punts at the waterside to the building. There are a great
number of
men employed, and we may therefore expect the work to go on without
any stoppage.'

A contractor's tramway no doubt - readers' comments or further details
are invited, especially from knowledgable Brisbanians who might be
able to estimate length of line etc.

cheers Phil


Re: Maria Island

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Michael & Valerie Newman"
<michaelnewman3@...> wrote:

Phil
Thanks for your email. Yes, the email does need some correction
(I'm getting old) - was their a 3 foot 6 line there?
Was it powered by simplex motive power?
Kind regards
Michael

Hi Michael,

I've not heard of any 3ft 6in-gauge line on Maria Island though I do
not know the gauge of the tramways that were there in the 1890's.
See Maria Island - view from the jetty to the left. 1890.
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?detail=1&type=i&id=122
It appears to be a picture of Darlington, from the jetty.

Note the rail profile of so-called T-rail - it needs special shoes.
The late Lindsay Whitham made a study of this type of rail and knew of
T-rail at Point Lesueur on Maria Island and was pleased when I found
this pic which added to the list of sites where it is known to have
been used. It isn't 2ft-gauge; maybe it is 3ft 6ins . . .

According to "Maria Island and Ile des Phoques - Management Plan 1998"
some limestone quarrying continued after the closure of the National
Portland Cement Co circa 1930, so maybe there were tramways employed
there with 3ft 6ins lines plus a Simplex???

Perhaps a Tasmanian researcher can help us further, please?

cheers Phil


Re: Letters to LR Magazine, Longworths, etc

Peter Evans
 

In regard to the value of a logging winch, VPRS 11563 (Forests Commission of
Victoria correspondence) Unit 230 file 42/966 sub-file 37/1646 provides the
following information: in 1937 a steam winch with ten-inch cylinders cost
around £1000 when new and had an estimated life of twenty-five years.
Running costs included £100 per year for oil, repairs, tools, etc., and an
amortisation cost of £40 per year. The Longworths’ winch value of £803 does
therefore roughly accord with a steam logging winch of the same size and
type about five years old.



I’m sure there must be more information out there on winches in States
outside Victoria. Parry Kostaglou, in his excellent work for Forestry
Tasmania discovered, mapped and described a number of steam logging winches
in that State. We know there are extant winches on display in WA (including
a Lidgerwood) but not what still exists in the bush (probably not much as
they would have been so easy to remove). SA and the NT we can probably
ignore. The late John Kerr did not, I think, (although his sawmilling
research was excellent) venture too far into the Queensland bush, but I will
re-read his report to make sure. It’s just a pity that NSW did such a truly
wretched job of their share of the sawmilling and tramway research during
the Regional Forest Agreement process. There must be some evidence for the
use of winches in NSW, if not of extant winches then in the more subtle
signs of where they were used: winch settings, lead trees, snig tracks etc.
I’m sure it’s just a matter of going and having a really good look. And the
NSW leeches deserve a good feed of LRRSA blood too …



Cheers,

PeterE.



Peter Evans

Production Management, Corporate Writing and Heritage Services

0407 537 837

www.peterevans.com.au <http://www.peterevans.com.au/>

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Re: Maria Island

Michael & Valerie Newman
 

Phil
Thanks for your email. Yes, the email does need some correction (I'm getting old) - was their a 3 foot 6 line there?
Was it powered by simplex motive power?
Kind regards
Michael

----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Rickard
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Maria Island


--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Michael & Valerie Newman"
<michaelnewman3@...> wrote:
>
> Could any member tell me what motive power was used on the Maria
Island 8.5 inch guage line please and where exactly did it run (to and
from).
> Michael Newman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Michael,

Can you clarify please - do you mean the Maria Island off the east
coast of Tasmania. . .and do you really mean just 8½-inch gauge??

There was a 2ft-gauge line for National Portland Cement in the 1920's
that used Hudswell Clarke 1423 of 1922, an 0-4-0WT. Pic may be seen
here: http://www.australiansteam.com/tas/hc1423.JPG

cheers Phil


Re: Letters to LR Magazine, Longworths, etc

Bruce & Gaye Belbin <boxcargraphics@...>
 

Hi John

Thanks for your kind words re: LR 203.

'Letters to the Editor' are always welcome via e-mail, and can be sent to:
boxcargraphics@optusnet.com.au

I'll put a note to this effect in the Letters section of LR 204.

Cheers
Bruce Belbin

From: "Professor Klyzlr" <johnd@fairlightau.com>
Reply-To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:00:27 -0000
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Letters to LR Magazine, Longworths, etc


Dear LRRSA crew,

I just recieved LR203, and as always am impressed by the level of
research and presentation from the magazine.

A question however, I cannot find any details as to how to submit
letters or correspondence. Is email correspondence acceptable, or is
it strictly "hardcopy"?

The Longworths article is of particular interest to me, and sheds
some light on the relationship between Allen Taylor and Longworths
which I was previously unaware of. However, it once again raises this
recurring issue of "log haulers" or "steam log winches" being used
alongside the tramways of NSW, with little or no backup evidence, let
alone any extant in-situ traces of the unit.

The April 1934 Statement of Assets does give a value to the aledged
winch unit of 803 pounds, although I have no idea if this lines up
with any of the "street pricing" of a Harman winch of the era,
(given no other info, the aussie-built Harman would be a logical
contender for this winch. I think it unlikely that it would be a US-
sourced unit, depite claims in various Longworth's histories that the
winch was "the most powerful on the East Coast"...).

Sure, the winches didn't run on rails, but bearing in mind their
close technological and operational ties with the tramways, it would
seem logical to find out what happened to them...
(and besides which, if Vic knows where at least 12 of their extant
winches are, how has NSW and Qld managed to keep theirs so secret?)

Happy Researching,
(and Modelling),
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr


Letters to LR Magazine, Longworths, etc

Professor Klyzlr <johnd@...>
 

Dear LRRSA crew,

I just recieved LR203, and as always am impressed by the level of
research and presentation from the magazine.

A question however, I cannot find any details as to how to submit
letters or correspondence. Is email correspondence acceptable, or is
it strictly "hardcopy"?

The Longworths article is of particular interest to me, and sheds
some light on the relationship between Allen Taylor and Longworths
which I was previously unaware of. However, it once again raises this
recurring issue of "log haulers" or "steam log winches" being used
alongside the tramways of NSW, with little or no backup evidence, let
alone any extant in-situ traces of the unit.

The April 1934 Statement of Assets does give a value to the aledged
winch unit of 803 pounds, although I have no idea if this lines up
with any of the "street pricing" of a Harman winch of the era,
(given no other info, the aussie-built Harman would be a logical
contender for this winch. I think it unlikely that it would be a US-
sourced unit, depite claims in various Longworth's histories that the
winch was "the most powerful on the East Coast"...).

Sure, the winches didn't run on rails, but bearing in mind their
close technological and operational ties with the tramways, it would
seem logical to find out what happened to them...
(and besides which, if Vic knows where at least 12 of their extant
winches are, how has NSW and Qld managed to keep theirs so secret?)

Happy Researching,
(and Modelling),
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr

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