Date   

Shibanxi Heaven DVD

Frank Stamford
 

In the review of this DVD in Light Railways No.201 (page 22)it says it
is available from LRRSA Sales.

This will be correct, but we do not have stock yet - they are on their
way from China. It is a two-DVD set and I won't know what our price
will be until I see the invoice, but I expect it will be around $60.00.

In any case I don't expect them to be available until I return from my
Pilgrimage North on 16 July.

Regards,

Frank


Re: Night train to Gembrook ... 16 June 2008

Frank Stamford
 

Well its too late to book now!

54 passengers travelled on this train, which consisted of two NB
platform-end cars, one NB compartment car, and an NC guardsvan, hauled
by 2-6-2T loco 14A - making up a short, very traditional looking
Gembrook passenger train.

The weather was perfect for the time of year: cloudless, with a full
moon, no wind, and the temperature stayed above zero. Those in the
know say that 14A - who is due to celebrate her 94th birthday on the
25th of this month - is showing her age; but she seemed determined to
prove them wrong, putting on a superb performance the whole night. She
maintained a steady pace throughout, attacking the 1 in 30 grades as
if they were only 1 in 100! No doubt the light train helped.

It was a "limited express" timetable, stopping only at Menzies Creek
and Lakeside in each direction, for safeworking purposes at both
stations, and for a well-earned drink (for 14A) at Lakeside.

On the way two "listening stops" were held between Fielder and
Gembrook, where most of the passengers got out, the train backed back
then ran past the listeners, and then backed back to pick them up. One
of these stops was at the end of the long horse-shoe curve, enabling
the passengers to be able to see the train coming for a long distance
in the moonlight. And it was an opportunity to hear how the ambience
of the quiet countryside can be improved by the sound of a steam whistle.

Although it was night time there was much to see, in particular the
two big bridges "No.5" at Monbulk Creek and "No.8" beyond Wright,
looked magnificent.

At Gembrook station "Charlottes of Gembrook" provided an excellent
one-course dinner consisting of lasagne, green salad, baked potatoes
(no doubt grown in Gembrook) with sour cream, and bread.

Arrival back at Belgrave was at 10.57pm, three minutes ahead of schedule.

Thanks are due to Nick Anchen for organising this trip, and to the
crew for making it possible. Profits from this trip will go to the
restoration of heritage Puffing Billy rolling stock.

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Frank Stamford" <frank.stamford@...>
wrote:

Members of this Group who are in the Melbourne area on Monday 16 June
may be interested in the following special train, which is being
organised by the Puffing Billy Preservation Society. Surplus funds
will go to the needy elderly ... (heritage rolling stock). These are
great trips, and Gembrook station is a good venue for dinner.
(Hopefully this time I won't forget to book).

The official advertising blurb follows below.

Regards,

Frank

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GEMBROOK NIGHT RUN

MONDAY 16 JUNE 2008

There's something special about a trip on a steam train on a crisp
winter's evening, especially under a full moon. On the evening of
Monday, June 16th, the sounds of the exhaust beat and shrill steam
whistle of locomotive 7A will echo throughout the hills and valleys of
the Dandenong Ranges, as it hauls a short consist from Belgrave to
Gembrook and return.

The train will depart Belgrave at 6.00pm, and after a spirited run,
with perhaps a stop or two deep in the forest (unique photo
opportunities!!), should arrive at Gembrook at about 8.00pm, in time
for a hot dinner at Gembrook station. Warming medicinal beverages are
strongly recommended, as is rugging up for the cold.

Some travellers from previous trips have indicated that they would
prefer an earlier finish, so two travel options have been provided for
the return trip – train or mini-bus, which Dan O'Connor has generously
offered to drive. (You must request this option when purchasing
tickets). Departure from Gembrook is scheduled for 9.00pm, with the
bus arriving back at Belgrave at 9.30pm, and the train at about
11.00pm. All proceeds from the trip will be directed to the heritage
rolling stock restoration fund, a very worthwhile project indeed.

Tickets for the evening are an absolute bargain, at just $45 including
dinner, with no concessions. Passenger numbers are strictly limited
for this trip, so don't muck about! For bookings, contact the lovely
ladies at Belgrave on 9757 0700, and don't forget to book your bus
ticket home if required.

For further information, contact tour organiser Nick Anchen on 0405
530 323.

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Re: Forty years ago today - VLRRS becomes LRRSA

Alf Aiken
 

I would like to thank all of those who made the decision. It has
allowed me to venture into & learn about another facet of my favourite
hobby.

Alf


Re: Law changes could close Illawarra railway museum

John Garaty
 

Hi Eddie,
Yes please I would like an official response to what I have written
and you have my permission to pass my previous post on to ITSRR for
a response.

You are correct in that the Rail Safety Act 2008 has not been
presented to the NSW Parliament yet. However if the 2008 Rail Safety
Act is different from the Draft 2007 Act that was sent to industry
for comment and this revised act is presented to paliament today and
sails through both houses unchallenged and becomes law, the rail
industry, both commercial and heritage then will have a major
problem in undoing any of these changes as they have already become
LAW.

As far as I know, the exact wording of the proposed 2008 Rail Safety
Act that is to be presented to parliament has not been sent to the
rail industry for consultation. It is certainly not available for
viewing on the ITSRR site. I would rather make sure that there are
no surprises for the NSW rail industry, and the smaller tourist
railways in particular, before this proposed act becomes law, than
have to try and undo legislation after the event.

Thanks and Regards,
John Garaty
Unanderra

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...> wrote:

John Garaty wrote:
Hi all
A question for Eddie and anyone else in the NSW rail industry:
It is not for me to speak on behalf of ITSRR. However if you wish
me to
do so, I will ensure that you get a rapid official response to
what you
have written to this group (I would of course need your permission
to
forward it) or to any similar document to which you might wish to
have
an official response.

What are the differences from the draft 2007 Rail Safety Act
that
was submitted to the NSW commercial rail industry and then
seperately to tourist and heritage operators for comment and the
proposed Rail Safety Act 2008 that is now about to become law in
NSW
at 1 July 2008?
Is it? Last time I heard (a few days ago) it has not even been to
parliament yet.


Re: Perth Zoo Train

John Browning
 

The server was down yesterday, but the link to the auction site is working
now.



See

http://www.adauctions.com.au/auction_view.php?auction_id=23
<http://www.adauctions.com.au/auction_view.php?auction_id=23&image_id=P52700
99.JPG> &image_id=P5270099.JPG

Have a look at Lots 464 & 465. There are also some more photos among the
thumbnails.



Lindsay Watson tells me that someone who has gone to have a look says that
the gauge is around 1ft 11ins and that the locomotive, although it has a
petrol engine, shows every sign of once being steam powered.



Best wishes





John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Law changes could close Illawarra railway museum

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

John Garaty wrote:
Hi all
A question for Eddie and anyone else in the NSW rail industry:
It is not for me to speak on behalf of ITSRR. However if you wish me to do so, I will ensure that you get a rapid official response to what you have written to this group (I would of course need your permission to forward it) or to any similar document to which you might wish to have an official response.

What are the differences from the draft 2007 Rail Safety Act that was submitted to the NSW commercial rail industry and then seperately to tourist and heritage operators for comment and the proposed Rail Safety Act 2008 that is now about to become law in NSW at 1 July 2008?
Is it? Last time I heard (a few days ago) it has not even been to parliament yet.


Re: Perth Zoo Train

John Browning
 

A glance at the catalogue illustrations indicates that this is yet
another Perth zoo train, this one of the miniature variety. I'll leave
comments as to the gauge, locomotive type and carriages to those more
expert in this field.

John


Re: Law changes could close Illawarra railway museum

John Garaty
 

Hi all
A question for Eddie and anyone else in the NSW rail industry:
What are the differences from the draft 2007 Rail Safety Act that
was submitted to the NSW commercial rail industry and then
seperately to tourist and heritage operators for comment and the
proposed Rail Safety Act 2008 that is now about to become law in NSW
at 1 July 2008?

Please don't tell there aren't any. On the previous Comments on
Draft NSW Rail Safety (General) Regulation 2007 that appear on the
ITSRR website, ITSRR has vetoed at least 20 changes suggested by
industry and unions to wording based on the fact that the proposed
changes would have resulted in changes in wording to either the
Draft NSW (General) Regulation 2007 and/or the National
Accreditation Package (NAP). Yet in the second link on the page that
Eddie quaotes, ITSRR's reponse to the ILRMS (page13) is to change
the proposed Rail Safety Act 2008 wording away from both the draft
act (see clause 5) and the NAP (See clause 1.3).

Links from the ITSRR website to the 2007 Draft Rail Safety Act at:
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/pdf/exposure/b06-072-07-d03.pdf
still show at Clause 5 "a railway that is operated solely within an
amusement or theme park is required to be registered as an amusement
device under occupational health and safety legislation and does not
operate on or across a road within the meaning of the Road Transport
(Safety and Traffic Management) Act 1999" as being one of
the "Railways to which this act does not apply".

This description IS the ILRMS who have safely operated on a 500m of
track circle around our picnic ground for 20-plus years under
Workcover Amusement Device accreditation prior to the introduction
of the Rail Safety Act 2002. Since the inception of the Rail Safety
Act, the ILRMS has always been an accredited railway by ITSSR and
its predecessor the Department Of Transport, with an acceptable SMS
based on our operators being classed as medical category 3 based on
2 operators in the cab driving a single train in motion at at time
over short distances, with low train masses (<50 tonne) and at low
speed(20kph max) on an almost level site. Over the years our
volunteers have consistently met increasingly more stringent "paper"
reporting, training and SMS requirements and achieved accreditation
EVERY time. ITSSR's insistance after our review this year that we
now MUST go to medical category 2 and then changing the new act to
remove the amusement device exemption without any notice or
consultation is the final straw.

Also read in ITSRR's response to heritage operators that the 4 types
of railway proposed under the Draft Act have suddenly been reduced
to 3 - (a)Main Line (b) Isolated Lines (c)Static Museums. Are Eddy
and others aware that ITSRR's preferred option for the NSWRTM is to
treat ALL NSWRTM sites as type (a) MAINLINE operations with ALL
personnel required to meet medical category 2 conditions?

By removing the amusement device exemption, every rail-mounted
carnival ride coming into NSW with a gauge of 600mm or more, from
big dippers, ghost trains to christmas train "kiddie rides" in
shopping centres, now fall under ITSRR as a type B Railway and will
be required to meet SMS and medical category 2 operator health
conditions from July 1 2008.

In as much as ITSRR champions a "consultative approach" to the
heritage and tourist sector on its website, the comment by its
spokesman in the newspaper article is quite telling.
I quote: A Transport Department spokesman said:
"To protect passengers, volunteers and the general public
Independent Transport Safety and Reliability Regulator safety
standards already apply to the larger heritage rail operators and it
is our intention for these standards to apply to all operators,
regardless of size." What this spokesman forgot to add
was "regardless of these medical standards' relevance to the degree
of risk at the operator's site". This looks more like "inflexible
intransigence" than "consultation" to me. The timing of the release
of this feedback in late May means that the rail heritage sector in
NSW has very little room and even less time to react to any
surprises.

With 2 weeks to go before this new act applies, how many other
changes are ITSRR planning to "foist" the NSW rail industry, for
both commercial and heritage operations, without notice or
consultation with this new 2008 Rail Safety Act?

Enquiring minds want to know....
So far no answers have been received.....
Regards,
John Garaty
Unanderra

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...> wrote:

To get the full context, which gives a rather different story, see
http://transportregulator.nsw.gov.au/publications/information_alerts/
InfoAlert_Safety_Regulation_Heritage_Railway.pdf
and the links attached.

Operators need to have a safety management system proportionate to
their
scale of operations.


Perth Zoo Train

norann2u
 

Only days after wondering what had happened the the Perth Zoo Train ,
how about this.
In todays 'The West Australia' on page 148 in the Auctions section, an
advert.

Alan Donnelly will auction the Swinbank Collection on Sat 21st and Sun
22nd June at 10am included is .... "1954 Train ex Perth Zoo with
numerous carriages and Massie 135 petrol engine complete with rails,
in original condition"

Details www.adauctions.com.au

It's a small world! or should that be It's a narrow gauge world?

Regards to you all

Norman of Wilson Perth WA


Re: Forty years ago today - VLRRS becomes LRRSA

Arthur & Margaret <warreen@...>
 

G.day all I have a little industrial railway 184 mm I would have liked 300 mm gauge but when I looked at the cost,it got the flick. So I check out 7.25" and it would do my operations very well. Arthur Boyd. I think the name change came to late but never late anyway, keep up the good work, I love the magazine

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Stamford
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 1:15 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Forty years ago today - VLRRS becomes LRRSA


A significant decision in the the history of the LRRSA was made forty
years ago today!

At the Annual General Meeting of the Victorian Light Railway Research
Society on Thursday 14 June 1968 the name of the Society was changed
to Light Railway Research Society of Australia. And with that change
the breadth of the Society's activities widened dramatically.

The change followed a suggestion made by Bruce Macdonald, who wrote in
a letter published in "Light Railways" No.23 Autumn 1968:

"Have you given thought to diversifying your scope beyond Victoria,
like change the title to the Australian Light Railway Research
Society, or A.L.R. Society, or Australian Light Railway and Tramway
Society. I really think you would get support, there are quite a
number of people who are interested in little railways who are not
catered for at present."

And so the change was made within three months of that letter being
published.

Frank






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Re: Forty years ago today - VLRRS becomes LRRSA

David Halfpenny <dh16mm@...>
 

Thank you all very much! David 1/2d England

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Frank Stamford" <frank.stamford@bigpond.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:15 AM

At the Annual General Meeting of the Victorian Light Railway Research
Society on Thursday 14 June 1968 the name of the Society was changed
to Light Railway Research Society of Australia. And with that change
the breadth of the Society's activities widened dramatically.


Re: Early 3 ft 6 in gauge railways

Phil Rickard <chy_gwel_an_meneth@...>
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "john browning" <ceo8@...> wrote:

I wonder what progress has been made in making Australian newspapers
available?

John
Yes, that was also my question when I came across the Kiwi's most
useful web site for digitised newspapers. (National Library of NZ)

Checking with the National Library of Australia I came across this
site: http://www.nla.gov.au/ndp/ so we seem to be making some
real progress in this direction - maybe in the next year or so we'll
have something with which we can start trawling. (and who knows, if
everyone who reads this, wrote to Mr Rudd requesting more funding for
the NLA's project, it might happen sooner!)

But for the present, one can often find Australian and foreign items,
reprinted in NZ papers - but as with all such items, double check with
other sources.

cheers Phil


Re: Law changes could close Illawarra railway museum

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

To get the full context, which gives a rather different story, see
http://transportregulator.nsw.gov.au/publications/information_alerts/InfoAlert_Safety_Regulation_Heritage_Railway.pdf
and the links attached.

Operators need to have a safety management system proportionate to their scale of operations.


Law changes could close Illawarra railway museum

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

BY BRETT COX
11/06/2008 3:34:00 PM
A 29-year-old tourist attraction popular with families will be forced to close if the State Government pushes ahead with new legislation on rail safety.

Volunteers from the Illawarra Light Railway Museum, who run regular steam and diesel train rides at Albion Park, say the proposed laws would mean their trains would be assessed to the same safety standards as trains on the CityRail network.

Given the Albion Park trains run on their own 500m loop at about 14km/h on a slim 610mm track, the not-for-profit organisation believes the safety standards they have applied for almost 30 years - without any major incidents - are more than adequate.

But in the wake of the Waterfall train disaster the Government is pushing ahead with tough new safety measures that - unlike the national standard - don't have a clause which provides concessions for railways "totally within a theme or amusement park which does not cross a public road".

The museum's founder and operations manager, Tony Madden, said the attraction would not be able to afford to stay open if the proposed laws were passed.

Only miniature trains have been running since March as volunteers - most of whom are retired men - work to improve the larger trains and tracks to satisfy the regulator.

The drivers would have to undergo thorough medical tests and the vehicles and tracks would have to match up to the same standards as trains which carry commuters on CityRail.

A Transport Department spokesman said:

"To protect passengers, volunteers and the general public Independent Transport Safety and Reliability Regulator safety standards already apply to the larger heritage rail operators and it is our intention for these standards to apply to all operators, regardless of size."

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Forty years ago today - VLRRS becomes LRRSA

Frank Stamford
 

A significant decision in the the history of the LRRSA was made forty
years ago today!

At the Annual General Meeting of the Victorian Light Railway Research
Society on Thursday 14 June 1968 the name of the Society was changed
to Light Railway Research Society of Australia. And with that change
the breadth of the Society's activities widened dramatically.

The change followed a suggestion made by Bruce Macdonald, who wrote in
a letter published in "Light Railways" No.23 Autumn 1968:

"Have you given thought to diversifying your scope beyond Victoria,
like change the title to the Australian Light Railway Research
Society, or A.L.R. Society, or Australian Light Railway and Tramway
Society. I really think you would get support, there are quite a
number of people who are interested in little railways who are not
catered for at present."

And so the change was made within three months of that letter being
published.

Frank


Re: Perth Zoo Train

Michael J
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Roderick B Smith [mailto:rodsmith@werple.net.au]
Sent: 13/06/2008 10:10:51 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Perth Zoo Train


Does the heritage information want to link to trains at other zoos?
I have been on the one at Melbourne, but can't recall having a photo.
I do have a photo of the one at Adelaide.
Whipsnade (UK) has a well-known railway.
My professional life is closely involved with the zoo industry, and zoo trains were once as common as elephant rides and chimpanzee tea parties, and tended to start to disappear about the same time. Zoos came to see themselves less as amusement parks and more as serious educational and scientific institutions. If I remember correctly Currumbin Wildlife Park on the Gold Coast still has a train, which serves to move visitors between the two halves of the park.

Whipsnade's railway is of course a full size 2'6" gauge railway using former military and industrial locomotives, and not the miniature type used in Australian zoos.

Michael


Re: 610 mm gauge Deutz Locomotives at Queenstown

John Browning
 

Dear Weston

Try purchasing "Light Railways" 201 (June 2008) which may well be on
sale at your friendly newsagent as we speak, or alternatively purchase
it at http://www.lrrsa.org.au/cgi-bin/oscommerce/index.php

It contains photographs taken at Queenstown and all I know about these
locomotives. Anything you can add would be received with great
interest.

Best wishes

John Browning


Re: Perth Zoo Train

David Whiteford <david.whiteford@...>
 

Further to my earlier email, I have just heard that the zoo railway train is still extant at a property near Wanneroo and moves are being made to have it preserved, possibly at Whiteman Park by the W.A. Light Railway Preservation Association (Bennett Brook Railway).

The Willis Engineering road one didn't get used on the zig-zag though it was proposed.

Cheers
David

________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf Of Roderick B Smith
Sent: Friday, 13 June 2008 8:11 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Perth Zoo Train



I know nothing of the first Perth zoo train.
I am sure that I read about the second one (rubber tyred) being used on
the site of Kalamunda zig zag. Perhaps that was only a proposal?
Perhaps it was a different product from Willis?

Does the heritage information want to link to trains at other zoos?
I have been on the one at Melbourne, but can't recall having a photo.
I do have a photo of the one at Adelaide.
Whipsnade (UK) has a well-known railway.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Perth Zoo Train

Roderick Smith
 

I know nothing of the first Perth zoo train.
I am sure that I read about the second one (rubber tyred) being used on
the site of Kalamunda zig zag. Perhaps that was only a proposal?
Perhaps it was a different product from Willis?

Does the heritage information want to link to trains at other zoos?
I have been on the one at Melbourne, but can't recall having a photo.
I do have a photo of the one at Adelaide.
Whipsnade (UK) has a well-known railway.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor


Re: Last Call for Steamy Java 2008

Roderick Smith
 

I have booked, along with three other Australians. Chances like this
do not emerge very often. After an excellent tour to Java in 1978-
79, I waited until I could cover sugar mills in sugar season for a
return, and that chance is now. I exploited a similar rare chance to
Negros (Philippines) when there was abundant sugar-mill and timber
steam, and was really glad that I grabbed the opportunity when it was
available.
Travelling with Garuda works, but flights may be full. However,
travelling with MAS is only $30 more, and should still have space.

Travelling to Indonesia as such is friendly and easy: forget about
Bali bombings; you have more risk in King St at 2 am. Travel to
sugar mills is harder to arrange solo.

Regards,
Roderick B Smith
Rail News Victoria Editor

"john_raby" <jraby@...> wrote:
We still have 4 places available for our Java sugar mill tour 16
July - 2 August...(chinasteamATdial.pipex.com) and cc to me John Raby
(jrabyATwaitrose.com).

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