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Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking volunteers

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Chris,

Thanks for your message.

Sorry I overlooked your original message.

I am happy for you to take on this task, but you do not need to worry about Tasmania.

Regards,

Frank

At 12:00 PM 2/10/2007, you wrote:

Frank Stamford
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:


Further to my reply to the Prof below, I have now found a simple way
make proper tables out of the listings on the timber tramway pages
(thanks to some Russian software called ABBYY FineReader).

I have now added a fifth column to the existing listings to the
indicate the availability of issues of "Light Railways" which are
listed in the tables.

We have a volunteer to update the Tasmanian table, and a possibility
for Victoria but not till next year; but so far no takers for the
other states.

Regards,

Frank
I volunteered to do any or all of them, didn't you get the e-mail? I sent it to the list, you can see it at <http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/message/1367>http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/message/1367
Regards,
CS


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking volunteers

Chris Stratton
 

Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:


Further to my reply to the Prof below, I have now found a simple way
make proper tables out of the listings on the timber tramway pages
(thanks to some Russian software called ABBYY FineReader).

I have now added a fifth column to the existing listings to the
indicate the availability of issues of "Light Railways" which are
listed in the tables.

We have a volunteer to update the Tasmanian table, and a possibility
for Victoria but not till next year; but so far no takers for the
other states.

Regards,

Frank
I volunteered to do any or all of them, didn't you get the e-mail? I sent it to the list, you can see it at http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/LRRSA/message/1367
Regards,
CS


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking volunteers

Frank Stamford
 

Further to my reply to the Prof below, I have now found a simple way
make proper tables out of the listings on the timber tramway pages
(thanks to some Russian software called ABBYY FineReader).

I have now added a fifth column to the existing listings to the
indicate the availability of issues of "Light Railways" which are
listed in the tables.

We have a volunteer to update the Tasmanian table, and a possibility
for Victoria but not till next year; but so far no takers for the
other states.

Regards,

Frank



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Frank Stamford" <frank.stamford@...>
wrote:

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Professor Klyzlr" <johnd@> wrote:

Dear Frank,

as a "knock on" effect of this updating,

could each entry have a 5th column with a link to either

- the "back issues order form" with the nominated LR issue # ready to
go,

OR

(assumed to be for earlier issues which are no longer available in
print),
a link to the "order downloadable PDF version" page for the nominated
LR issue?

While the basic "search and describe" format of the current table is
great,

it misses the opportunity to inform the "Browsee" exactly how/where
to go to obtain copies of the info they've just read about.

We already have "online shopping" on the LRRSA site,

so this does not appear to be too large a link to make.

(If any of the issues are not available thru the shop,
either being "out-of-print-run",
or "not PDF'd yet",
here's an opportunity to "focus" the energies on getting the "most
requested" issues up and in the online shop...)

Just a thought,

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr
Hello Prof,

Its a good idea in principle, but would make the task more
complicated. In any case at present I am extremely reluctant to have
people jumping to parts of the Online Shop without first reading the
introductory page on our website:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There is important important information there which if read can
reduce the processing times of orders considerably.

A simpler approach would be a fifth column headed "Available?" which
would contain one of three possible answers "Yes", "No", or "As pdf".

However just at the moment I am reluctant to try and add a fifth
column to the existing material. It is about as sophisticated as the
Gilderoy horse tramway (the one where, if two trains met coming in
opposite directions, they would heave the empty one onto the road, and
run it along the road). If I can work out a simple, quick way to
change them to proper HTML tables, then I will add a fifth column.

Regards,

Frank

P.S. Surely you mean the "Browser", I think the "Browsee" would be the
computer system ??!!



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@>
wrote:


Hello John,

No there isn't. To be honest I did not even look at the "from"
date,
only the "to" date.

In the case of Queensland it starts from issue 52 and there might
not
be anything before then.

In the case of New South Wales it starts from issue 63, and again
there might not be anything before then.

In the case of Victoria it starts from issue 99, with a separate
listing of "Significant articles" before 99, but even that only
goes
back to issue 42. There will be a lot of Victorian material that is
not listed.

In the case of Tasmania it goes back to issue 27, and there might
not
be anything before then.

In the case of WA it is listed in a different form, and seems to
only
relate to major articles, and goes back to issue 33.

Doing Victoria thoroughly could be a daunting task, but if we had
enough volunteers we could allot manageable chunks, I think.

Regards,

Frank


At 10:29 AM 30/09/2007, you wrote:

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended
back
towards issue 1?

John

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA
website
(<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT
.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.
<snip>
1. Queensland
<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbib
liq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.
etc...


Re: Melbourne Shay

bll_hnks
 

G'day Eddie,



LR194 has an article and photo of the boiler from the Powelltown Shay.

There are still copies of this issue available if you don't already have
it.



Regards,

Bill Hanks



________________________________

From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On
Behalf Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2007 6:49 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] Re: Melbourne Shay




Good morning Eddie,

The remains of this loco consist of the boiler, (apparently in good
condition), the three-cylinder engine unit (in good condition), the
water tank (which would no longer hold water apparently), and various
fittings. Exactly what fittings I do not know. There are no trucks
(bogies), and I don't think there are any frames.

It is Builder's No.2576, the one that was damaged in a fire at Hoskins
steelworks. After closue of the Powelltown tramway, the loco (minus
trucks) was taken to a sawmill at Omeo, where it was used to power a
sawmill. It was taken out of service in the early 1960s and the parts
rescued by a Melbourne railway enthusiast.

I do not know the current location of the parts, and have not seen
them for about 38 years, but I know they still exist.

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...> wrote:

The Shay survivors page
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm
<http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm>
shows
2576 M. McEwen, {railfan}, Melbourne , Victoria, Australia
Cameron & Sutherland (D), Melbourne, Australia
In Parts, less trucks

This is a Burraga/Powelltown loco.

What is its actual status now?


Re: Melbourne Shay

Frank Stamford
 

Good morning Eddie,

The remains of this loco consist of the boiler, (apparently in good
condition), the three-cylinder engine unit (in good condition), the
water tank (which would no longer hold water apparently), and various
fittings. Exactly what fittings I do not know. There are no trucks
(bogies), and I don't think there are any frames.

It is Builder's No.2576, the one that was damaged in a fire at Hoskins
steelworks. After closue of the Powelltown tramway, the loco (minus
trucks) was taken to a sawmill at Omeo, where it was used to power a
sawmill. It was taken out of service in the early 1960s and the parts
rescued by a Melbourne railway enthusiast.

I do not know the current location of the parts, and have not seen
them for about 38 years, but I know they still exist.

Regards,

Frank

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...> wrote:

The Shay survivors page
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm
shows
2576 M. McEwen, {railfan}, Melbourne , Victoria, Australia
Cameron & Sutherland (D), Melbourne, Australia
In Parts, less trucks

This is a Burraga/Powelltown loco.

What is its actual status now?


Melbourne Shay

Eddie Oliver <eoliver@...>
 

The Shay survivors page
http://www.shaylocomotives.com/surviving/SLc-Survivors.htm
shows
2576 M. McEwen, {railfan}, Melbourne , Victoria, Australia
Cameron & Sutherland (D), Melbourne, Australia
In Parts, less trucks

This is a Burraga/Powelltown loco.

What is its actual status now?


Re: Newnes Shay Photo Required - RE: Publicising "LRRSA" YahooG

John Browning
 

Leonie Knapman who wrote a book about Joadja is now writing a book on
Glen Davis, where she was born. She would like a publishable photo of a
Shay sidewinder to use when referring to Newnes preferably in colour.
Anybody out there got one please?




A relevant colour photo may be a bit difficult to find.

However, this site is full of interest and information:

http://www.shaylocomotives.com/index.html





John



John Browning
Brisbane
Queensland
Australia



PO Box 99

Annerley 4103



Phone +61 (0)7 3255 9084


Mobile 0407 069 199


Re: Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

--- A C Lynn Zelmer <lynn@zelmeroz.com> wrote:

Sorry Brad, but I cannot think of anything more
mainstream than light
railways and sugar cane railways... is there
supposed to be something
else?
Lynn>>>>>>
Lynn,
It is a term often used, at least down here, for
normal everyday mainline operations. Say
Melbourne-Sydney-Brisbane, Pacific National type
operations.

Brad


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Re: Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup

A C Lynn Zelmer
 

Sorry Brad, but I cannot think of anything more mainstream than light railways and sugar cane railways... is there supposed to be something else?
Lynn

...Many of us belong to the larger mainstream groups...
--
CaneSIG: http://www.zelmeroz.com/canesig
A C Lynn Zelmer, Coordinator
Box 1414 Rockhampton Qld 4700 Australia
Fax: +61 7 4936 2393


Newnes Shay Photo Required - RE: Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Hi everyone,
Just thought I would repost this under a
relevant subject heading.
Sorry for the repeat, just thought someone may be
able to help Phillip but not be following the 'LRRSA
Publicity' thread.

Cheers
Brad


--- Philip Hammon <philip.hammon@scenicworld.com.au>
wrote:

Leonie Knapman who wrote a book about Joadja is now
writing a book on
Glen Davis, where she was born. She would like a
publishable photo of a
Shay sidewinder to use when referring to Newnes
preferably in colour.
Anybody out there got one please?



Philip Hammon

Director

Scenic World Blue Mountains

Cnr Violet St and Cliff Dr Katoomba

PO Box 1042 NSW 2780

Ph: 02 47 800 200

Dir Ext: 02 47 800 220

Fax: 1800 SKYWAY



-----Original Message-----
From: BLI BLI [mailto:alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2007 8:48 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup



Howdee,
Perhaps we need to preach to some others that
are not among the already converted (ie: those who
haven't given much thought to light railways and
industrial stuff).
Perhaps if we occasionally make mention of the LRRSA
Yahoogroup in our signatures when posting to some of
the larger groups. Blatant advertising often causes
offence on these groups, but in signatures it is
perfectly acceptable.
Many of us belong to the larger mainstream groups.

Funny thing I have noticed about cane railways is
that southerners usually write them off as boring
and
I have been ridiculed for my interest more times
than
I care to remember. Until the early 90s I was
amongst
the group.
Some of these people (again including myself) have
subsequently gone to Queensland and become
fascinated
by them and returned numerous times.
The problem is getting them all there in the first
place.

WARNING: About to use my memory.
ISTR a question in an earlier survey asking of
people were in favour of covering railway
preservation, I think more general topics than just
that which is covered as in topic at the moment.
From memory I voted against it at the time.
If my memory isn't as bad as I think and this
question was raised, how did it go?

Brad

--- Professor Klyzlr <johnd@fairlightau.com
<mailto:johnd%40fairlightau.com> > wrote:

Dear Shay,

Consider the following YahooGroups "covered" RE
publicising the LRRSA
as an organisation, and LR as a publication

- Ausnarrowgauge
- On30
- On30Conspiracy
- 4L (Loyal Legion of Logged-on Loggers)
- HOn30
- O-14
- CabbageStackers (US Swamp logger fan group)
- 7mmAusmodelling
- Australian-NG-SIG
- Kiwi_On30
- On18

I also know of a few member's personal websites
relating to Light
Railway subjects which make specific note of the
LRRSA,

and provide links back to http://www.lrrsa.org.au
<http://www.lrrsa.org.au> ,
and this LRRSA YahooGroup

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr





--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
<mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
BLI BLI
<alcogoodwin@...> wrote:


Perhaps mediums such as this could be utilised
to
advise of the
content of each issue of LR, together with one
or
two images
(including the front cover) in order to "wet
the
appetite".

Hunslet.>>>>>
Hunslet,

I wonder how many members of this
Yahoogroup
are not already members of the LRRSA and
recieving
the
magazine anyway?
There occasionally seems to be spikes in
membership,
there is a small one now, but it does appear to
coincide with a mention in Light Railways.
Perhaps we need to look at ways to get the
Yahoogroup known outside of LR and the LRRSA.
Its
a
free forum so people would likely wish to join
for
a
look and then this is exactly when Hunslet's
idea
whould really come to the fore.
I shall squeeze in a mention somewhere in the
next
ezine. Could there be any chance of a mention in
TRN
which many younger railfans read?
Any other suggestions?

Regards
SHAY



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Re: Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup

PH
 

Leonie Knapman who wrote a book about Joadja is now writing a book on
Glen Davis, where she was born. She would like a publishable photo of a
Shay sidewinder to use when referring to Newnes preferably in colour.
Anybody out there got one please?



Philip Hammon

Director

Scenic World Blue Mountains

Cnr Violet St and Cliff Dr Katoomba

PO Box 1042 NSW 2780

Ph: 02 47 800 200

Dir Ext: 02 47 800 220

Fax: 1800 SKYWAY

-----Original Message-----
From: BLI BLI [mailto:alcogoodwin@yahoo.com.au]
Sent: Monday, 1 October 2007 8:48 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup



Howdee,
Perhaps we need to preach to some others that
are not among the already converted (ie: those who
haven't given much thought to light railways and
industrial stuff).
Perhaps if we occasionally make mention of the LRRSA
Yahoogroup in our signatures when posting to some of
the larger groups. Blatant advertising often causes
offence on these groups, but in signatures it is
perfectly acceptable.
Many of us belong to the larger mainstream groups.

Funny thing I have noticed about cane railways is
that southerners usually write them off as boring and
I have been ridiculed for my interest more times than
I care to remember. Until the early 90s I was amongst
the group.
Some of these people (again including myself) have
subsequently gone to Queensland and become fascinated
by them and returned numerous times.
The problem is getting them all there in the first
place.

WARNING: About to use my memory.
ISTR a question in an earlier survey asking of
people were in favour of covering railway
preservation, I think more general topics than just
that which is covered as in topic at the moment.
From memory I voted against it at the time.
If my memory isn't as bad as I think and this
question was raised, how did it go?

Brad

--- Professor Klyzlr <johnd@fairlightau.com
<mailto:johnd%40fairlightau.com> > wrote:

Dear Shay,

Consider the following YahooGroups "covered" RE
publicising the LRRSA
as an organisation, and LR as a publication

- Ausnarrowgauge
- On30
- On30Conspiracy
- 4L (Loyal Legion of Logged-on Loggers)
- HOn30
- O-14
- CabbageStackers (US Swamp logger fan group)
- 7mmAusmodelling
- Australian-NG-SIG
- Kiwi_On30
- On18

I also know of a few member's personal websites
relating to Light
Railway subjects which make specific note of the
LRRSA,

and provide links back to http://www.lrrsa.org.au
<http://www.lrrsa.org.au> ,
and this LRRSA YahooGroup

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr





--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au <mailto:LRRSA%40yahoogroups.com.au> ,
BLI BLI
<alcogoodwin@...> wrote:


Perhaps mediums such as this could be utilised
to
advise of the
content of each issue of LR, together with one
or
two images
(including the front cover) in order to "wet the
appetite".

Hunslet.>>>>>
Hunslet,

I wonder how many members of this
Yahoogroup
are not already members of the LRRSA and recieving
the
magazine anyway?
There occasionally seems to be spikes in
membership,
there is a small one now, but it does appear to
coincide with a mention in Light Railways.
Perhaps we need to look at ways to get the
Yahoogroup known outside of LR and the LRRSA. Its
a
free forum so people would likely wish to join for
a
look and then this is exactly when Hunslet's idea
whould really come to the fore.
I shall squeeze in a mention somewhere in the
next
ezine. Could there be any chance of a mention in
TRN
which many younger railfans read?
Any other suggestions?

Regards
SHAY



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Re: Publicising "LRRSA" YahooGroup

BLI BLI <alcogoodwin@...>
 

Howdee,
Perhaps we need to preach to some others that
are not among the already converted (ie: those who
haven't given much thought to light railways and
industrial stuff).
Perhaps if we occasionally make mention of the LRRSA
Yahoogroup in our signatures when posting to some of
the larger groups. Blatant advertising often causes
offence on these groups, but in signatures it is
perfectly acceptable.
Many of us belong to the larger mainstream groups.

Funny thing I have noticed about cane railways is
that southerners usually write them off as boring and
I have been ridiculed for my interest more times than
I care to remember. Until the early 90s I was amongst
the group.
Some of these people (again including myself) have
subsequently gone to Queensland and become fascinated
by them and returned numerous times.
The problem is getting them all there in the first
place.

WARNING: About to use my memory.
ISTR a question in an earlier survey asking of
people were in favour of covering railway
preservation, I think more general topics than just
that which is covered as in topic at the moment.
From memory I voted against it at the time.
If my memory isn't as bad as I think and this
question was raised, how did it go?

Brad

--- Professor Klyzlr <johnd@fairlightau.com> wrote:

Dear Shay,

Consider the following YahooGroups "covered" RE
publicising the LRRSA
as an organisation, and LR as a publication

- Ausnarrowgauge
- On30
- On30Conspiracy
- 4L (Loyal Legion of Logged-on Loggers)
- HOn30
- O-14
- CabbageStackers (US Swamp logger fan group)
- 7mmAusmodelling
- Australian-NG-SIG
- Kiwi_On30
- On18

I also know of a few member's personal websites
relating to Light
Railway subjects which make specific note of the
LRRSA,

and provide links back to http://www.lrrsa.org.au ,
and this LRRSA YahooGroup

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr





--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, BLI BLI
<alcogoodwin@...> wrote:


Perhaps mediums such as this could be utilised
to
advise of the
content of each issue of LR, together with one
or
two images
(including the front cover) in order to "wet the
appetite".

Hunslet.>>>>>
Hunslet,

I wonder how many members of this
Yahoogroup
are not already members of the LRRSA and recieving
the
magazine anyway?
There occasionally seems to be spikes in
membership,
there is a small one now, but it does appear to
coincide with a mention in Light Railways.
Perhaps we need to look at ways to get the
Yahoogroup known outside of LR and the LRRSA. Its
a
free forum so people would likely wish to join for
a
look and then this is exactly when Hunslet's idea
whould really come to the fore.
I shall squeeze in a mention somewhere in the
next
ezine. Could there be any chance of a mention in
TRN
which many younger railfans read?
Any other suggestions?

Regards
SHAY



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Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking volunteers

Frank Stamford
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Professor Klyzlr" <johnd@...> wrote:

Dear Frank,

as a "knock on" effect of this updating,

could each entry have a 5th column with a link to either

- the "back issues order form" with the nominated LR issue # ready to
go,

OR

(assumed to be for earlier issues which are no longer available in
print),
a link to the "order downloadable PDF version" page for the nominated
LR issue?

While the basic "search and describe" format of the current table is
great,

it misses the opportunity to inform the "Browsee" exactly how/where
to go to obtain copies of the info they've just read about.

We already have "online shopping" on the LRRSA site,

so this does not appear to be too large a link to make.

(If any of the issues are not available thru the shop,
either being "out-of-print-run",
or "not PDF'd yet",
here's an opportunity to "focus" the energies on getting the "most
requested" issues up and in the online shop...)

Just a thought,

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr
Hello Prof,

Its a good idea in principle, but would make the task more
complicated. In any case at present I am extremely reluctant to have
people jumping to parts of the Online Shop without first reading the
introductory page on our website:
http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_Online_shop.html

There is important important information there which if read can
reduce the processing times of orders considerably.

A simpler approach would be a fifth column headed "Available?" which
would contain one of three possible answers "Yes", "No", or "As pdf".

However just at the moment I am reluctant to try and add a fifth
column to the existing material. It is about as sophisticated as the
Gilderoy horse tramway (the one where, if two trains met coming in
opposite directions, they would heave the empty one onto the road, and
run it along the road). If I can work out a simple, quick way to
change them to proper HTML tables, then I will add a fifth column.

Regards,

Frank

P.S. Surely you mean the "Browser", I think the "Browsee" would be the
computer system ??!!



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@>
wrote:


Hello John,

No there isn't. To be honest I did not even look at the "from"
date,
only the "to" date.

In the case of Queensland it starts from issue 52 and there might
not
be anything before then.

In the case of New South Wales it starts from issue 63, and again
there might not be anything before then.

In the case of Victoria it starts from issue 99, with a separate
listing of "Significant articles" before 99, but even that only
goes
back to issue 42. There will be a lot of Victorian material that is
not listed.

In the case of Tasmania it goes back to issue 27, and there might
not
be anything before then.

In the case of WA it is listed in a different form, and seems to
only
relate to major articles, and goes back to issue 33.

Doing Victoria thoroughly could be a daunting task, but if we had
enough volunteers we could allot manageable chunks, I think.

Regards,

Frank


At 10:29 AM 30/09/2007, you wrote:

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended
back
towards issue 1?

John

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA
website
(<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT
.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.
<snip>
1. Queensland
<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbib
liq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.
etc...


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers

Frank Savery
 

I'll be happy to do Tasmania, Frank.
Cheers,
Frank Savery,
Ulverstone,
Tasmania

----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Stamford
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 9:56 AM
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers


I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA website
(http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.

They mainly consist of Select Bibliographies which have not been
updated for some years. I am wondering if there are any people on this
list who would like to do the updating. To keep it manageable you
could select just one state if you wish.




















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Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timber tramways - seeking volunteers

Professor Klyzlr <johnd@...>
 

Dear Frank,

as a "knock on" effect of this updating,

could each entry have a 5th column with a link to either

- the "back issues order form" with the nominated LR issue # ready to
go,

OR

(assumed to be for earlier issues which are no longer available in
print),
a link to the "order downloadable PDF version" page for the nominated
LR issue?

While the basic "search and describe" format of the current table is
great,

it misses the opportunity to inform the "Browsee" exactly how/where
to go to obtain copies of the info they've just read about.

We already have "online shopping" on the LRRSA site,

so this does not appear to be too large a link to make.

(If any of the issues are not available thru the shop,
either being "out-of-print-run",
or "not PDF'd yet",
here's an opportunity to "focus" the energies on getting the "most
requested" issues up and in the online shop...)

Just a thought,

Happy Researching,
Aim to Improve,
Prof Klyzlr



--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...>
wrote:


Hello John,

No there isn't. To be honest I did not even look at the "from"
date,
only the "to" date.

In the case of Queensland it starts from issue 52 and there might
not
be anything before then.

In the case of New South Wales it starts from issue 63, and again
there might not be anything before then.

In the case of Victoria it starts from issue 99, with a separate
listing of "Significant articles" before 99, but even that only
goes
back to issue 42. There will be a lot of Victorian material that is
not listed.

In the case of Tasmania it goes back to issue 27, and there might
not
be anything before then.

In the case of WA it is listed in a different form, and seems to
only
relate to major articles, and goes back to issue 33.

Doing Victoria thoroughly could be a daunting task, but if we had
enough volunteers we could allot manageable chunks, I think.

Regards,

Frank


At 10:29 AM 30/09/2007, you wrote:

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended
back
towards issue 1?

John

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@...> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA
website
(<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT
.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.
<snip>
1. Queensland
<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbib
liq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.
etc...

==========================================================
John Dennis <mailto:jdennis%40optusnet.com.au>jdennis@...
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL:
<http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay>http://members.optusnet.com
.au/duttonbay
WebX
<http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html>http://members.
optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers

Frank Stamford
 

Hello John,

No there isn't. To be honest I did not even look at the "from" date, only the "to" date.

In the case of Queensland it starts from issue 52 and there might not be anything before then.

In the case of New South Wales it starts from issue 63, and again there might not be anything before then.

In the case of Victoria it starts from issue 99, with a separate listing of "Significant articles" before 99, but even that only goes back to issue 42. There will be a lot of Victorian material that is not listed.

In the case of Tasmania it goes back to issue 27, and there might not be anything before then.

In the case of WA it is listed in a different form, and seems to only relate to major articles, and goes back to issue 33.

Doing Victoria thoroughly could be a daunting task, but if we had enough volunteers we could allot manageable chunks, I think.

Regards,

Frank

At 10:29 AM 30/09/2007, you wrote:

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended back
towards issue 1?

John

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<<mailto:frank.stamford%40bigpond.com>frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA website
(<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT
.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.
<snip>
1. Queensland

<http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm>http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbib
liq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.
etc...

==========================================================
John Dennis <mailto:jdennis%40optusnet.com.au>jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: <http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay>http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX <http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html>http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers

John Dennis <jdennis@...>
 

Frank,

Is there any reason why these bibliographies cannot be extended back
towards issue 1?

John


On Sat, 29 Sep 2007 23:56:48 -0000, "Frank Stamford"
<frank.stamford@bigpond.com> wrote:

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA website
(http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.
<snip>
1. Queensland

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.
etc...

==========================================================
John Dennis jdennis@optusnet.com.au
Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway
and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery
Dutton Bay URL: http://members.optusnet.com.au/duttonbay
WebX http://members.optusnet.com.au/jdennis/ng_webex.html


Re: LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers

Chris Stratton
 

Frank,

I don't know much about timber tramways but I can read magazines and do data
entry. I have most of the issues of LR needed but am missing the following
issues : 141, 145, 146, 151, 155, 160. If these are still available I don't
mind buying them as I want to complete the set anyway.

Regards,
Chris Stratton

-----Original Message-----
From: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au [mailto:LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au] On Behalf
Of Frank Stamford
Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2007 9:57 AM
To: LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au
Subject: [LRRSA] LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA website
(http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.

They mainly consist of Select Bibliographies which have not been
updated for some years. I am wondering if there are any people on this
list who would like to do the updating. To keep it manageable you
could select just one state if you wish.

In each case it involves looking through isuues of "Light Railways"
magazine for articles, and items in the "Research" and "Letters" section.

The work involved is as follows:

And, as long as you have access to the appropriate issues of "LR", you
can be in any part of the world to do this.

1. Queensland

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.

2. New South Wales

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbiblin.htm is a list of "Items on New South
Wales Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 63 to 150".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 151 to 197.

3. Victoria

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LrBiblio.htm is a list of "Items on Victorian
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 99 to 133."

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.

4. Tasmania

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbiblit.htm is a list of "Items on Tasmanian
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 27 to 166".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 167 to 197.

5. South Australia

So far there no evidence of timber tramways in South Australia has
surfaced, so there is no South Australian list !!!

6. Western Australia

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Bibliw.htm is a select bibliography of
material relating to timber tramways in Western Australia.

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 135 to 197 and
ideally should be in the same format as the other state lists.

The format needed is very simple - a Microsoft Word table in four
columns headed "Description of Article", "Article Name", "Author", and
"Publication No. and Page No."

Regards,

Frank


LRRSA Web Site - Timmber tramways - seeking volunteers

Frank Stamford
 

I have been looking at the Timber Tramway pages on the LRRSA website
(http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LRR_TT.htm) with a view to updating their
presentation.

They mainly consist of Select Bibliographies which have not been
updated for some years. I am wondering if there are any people on this
list who would like to do the updating. To keep it manageable you
could select just one state if you wish.

In each case it involves looking through isuues of "Light Railways"
magazine for articles, and items in the "Research" and "Letters" section.

The work involved is as follows:

And, as long as you have access to the appropriate issues of "LR", you
can be in any part of the world to do this.

1. Queensland

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbibliq.htm is a list of "Items on Queensland
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 52 to 133".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.

2. New South Wales

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbiblin.htm is a list of "Items on New South
Wales Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 63 to 150".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 151 to 197.

3. Victoria

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/LrBiblio.htm is a list of "Items on Victorian
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 99 to 133."

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 134 to 197.

4. Tasmania

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Lrbiblit.htm is a list of "Items on Tasmanian
Timber Tramways published in Light Railways Nos 27 to 166".

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 167 to 197.

5. South Australia

So far there no evidence of timber tramways in South Australia has
surfaced, so there is no South Australian list !!!

6. Western Australia

http://www.lrrsa.org.au/Bibliw.htm is a select bibliography of
material relating to timber tramways in Western Australia.

It needs to be updated for items published in LR from 135 to 197 and
ideally should be in the same format as the other state lists.

The format needed is very simple – a Microsoft Word table in four
columns headed "Description of Article", "Article Name", "Author", and
"Publication No. and Page No."

Regards,

Frank


Re: "Fully Searchable" = Moving Target

Frank Stamford
 

--- In LRRSA@yahoogroups.com.au, "Professor Klyzlr" <johnd@...> wrote:


The LRRSA has it's own online presence,
(both via the homepage and the Yahoogroup),
and I know of a number of members who actively promote the Society
and it's publications on various related groups, anytime the
opportunity arises.

Beyond that, the "electronic promotion" opportunities are limited
only by the available time and skills of the Society's "tech savvy"
members. (Frank S, what's the procedure if a LRRSA member would like
to "volounteer their services" in helping maintain/promote the
LRRSA's "presence" on-line?)
Hello Professor,

I would love to see the task of maintaining and developing the LRRSA's
website shared amongst a group of people, but I don't know how that
could be managed, and what investment in software it would need.

There are a lot of web-sites that look like dog's breakfasts and are
very difficult to navigate (and some of them belong to large
commercial organisations which should no better!). And there are a lot
of websites that are incredible in the literal sense of the word - NOT
credible.

I think our website needs to be (i) credible, (ii) have an easy simple
navigation path, (iii) present (at least to some degree) a 'uniform
house-style' from page to page, and (iv) present a simple uncluttered
appearance that does not confuse the reader with too much complexity
and too many choices.

It is probably possible for those objectives to be met with a number
of people sharing the maintenance but I do not know how. But I want to
know because it would be good for us to be able to do it.

At present there are a number of 'features' on the LRRSA website I am
not happy with. I think the overall design of the pages needs
improvement, and not all the pages are uniform - particularly the
pages on timber tramways still have the old style of presentation.

For the technically minded, the LRRSA website is maintained on Adobe
Go-Live. That is now obsolete, and it will have to be switched to
Dreamweaver in due course. The style of most of the pages is
controlled by a "Cascading Style Sheet" (CSS). The timber tramway
pages I referred to above have not yet been converted to read the CSS.
The advantage of using a CSS is that the prsentation of every page in
the website can be changed by changing the CSS, and not every
individual page.

At present the LRRSA website contains about 80 pages, and about 403 files.

Regards,

Frank

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