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Re-scheduled S-E Queensland Group tour to CABARLAH and HAMPTON Tramways - 7 March 2020

Phil Rickard
 

Happy New Year to all group members,

Please find attached a brochure with details for the re-scheduled S-E Queensland Group tour to CABARLAH and HAMPTON tramways.
Originally programmed for last November, it was interrupted by bushfires and is now scheduled for Saturday 7 March.

cheers    Phil


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Bob Backway
 

Thanks for the link Phil. None of the equipment in the library images matches what I saw/photographed on the island. The volcano has had a few goes at destroying remains and the sulphurous air has rusted even the largest cast wheels/gears!

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com


Re: groups.io Group and Facebook Group (was White Island Volcano New Zealand)

David Halfpenny
 


On 18 Dec 2019, at 01:00, Frank Stamford <frank.stamford@...> wrote:

This message is in response to Bob's comment: "It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!” 

Bob is right, but sadly that ship has sailed.
At least FB Groups have a basic Search.

Which means Frank’s measured response is necessarily where we’re at.

Both the Facebook Group and the groups.io group are best suited for casual discussion, seeking information, and showing interesting pictures. "Light Railways" magazine is the best place for serious articles, but the Facebook and groups.io group can often assist in the development of such articles. The way groups.io and Facebook Groups work are very different, and cross posting is best left to the individual contributors if they think it is worth while.


David 1/2d


Re: groups.io Group and Facebook Group (was White Island Volcano New Zealand)

Frank Stamford
 

This message is in response to Bob's comment: "It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!" 

Both the Facebook Group and the groups.io group are best suited for casual discussion, seeking information, and showing interesting pictures. "Light Railways" magazine is the best place for serious articles, but the Facebook and groups.io group can often assist in the development of such articles. The way groups.io and Facebook Groups work are very different, and cross posting is best left to the individual contributors if they think it is worth while.
The groups,io group was established 13 years ago and now has 355 members. It is now pretty quiet. On the other hand, the Light Railways of Australia Facebook Group was established only two years ago and now has 1451 members. It has been of great value to the LRRSA in gaining new members of the Society, and making its activities more well known.

 


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Phil Rickard
 

If you go to https://natlib.govt.nz/collections#  and in the search box put  "Sulphur mines and mining" [include the inverted commas!]
you'll find a couple of online pics with side-tipping trucks, one being filled and one being pushed into the works.
Also the descriptions of several others not online and the magic words  railway lines.

cheers  Phil Rickard


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Bob Backway
 


Just been through the many images I took in 2013. Some have rail lying around. There's an image of rail used to edge a contemporary walkway along what was once a loading ramp. A very rusty length of what may be Barlow rail and a axle - diff set of about 3' guage with hard rubber tyres on about 2' diameter solid wheels. However no remaining track in situ - not unexpected in view of the volcanic activity that closed the mine!

It is of concern to me that there is no cross posting of threads between the Facebook group and the Groups.io list. Not good for a reputable research organisation to split its members!

Bob Backway, Belgrave Hts, Victoria, Australia
Commodore, Lake Eyre Yacht Club   LakeEyreYC.com


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Hunslet
 

Photo attachment worked.

Hunslet

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Stratton
Sent: Monday, 16 December 2019 9:25 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

I’m not sure if we can attach photos so I’ll give it a go. I couldn’t find photos of any tramway remains on White Island, this looks like the ruins of a processing plant.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 8:18 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Chris Stratton
 

I’m not sure if we can attach photos so I’ll give it a go. I couldn’t find photos of any tramway remains on White Island, this looks like the ruins of a processing plant.

 

Regards,

Chris

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of John Browning
Sent: Sunday, 15 December 2019 8:18 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand

 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Chris Stratton
 

I visited White Island in 2013 and have photos of the building and machinery remains, I don't recall any tramway remains but didn't know there had been tramways so wasn't looking for them.

Regards,
Chris



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Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand


There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard

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Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Tony Coen
 

 
There is a little bit of movie film.
 
    Cheers, Tony Coen.
 

Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand
 
A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

John Browning
 

A general description of the disaster affecting the White Island Sulphur Company in 1914 is here: https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/disaster-at-white-island/

John 


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Mike
 

Looking at 'White Island' on Wikipedia there are currently  two photos, one of corroded gearing & what MIGHT be the body of a truck  -  also links to a mention of 'trucks' being used for sulphur extraction.

Cheers

Mike Jackson


From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Phil Rickard <starry44@...>
Sent: 15 December 2019 08:26
To: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io>
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] White Island Volcano New Zealand
 
There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard


Re: White Island Volcano New Zealand

Phil Rickard
 

There were definitely tramways used there (for sulphur extraction) and there are remains.   But any article wasn't in
Light Railways.  There was an article in the NZ Railway Observer No.338 for Aug/Sept 2016 "Industrial tramways of White Island" by Bill Prebble.
maybe there was an earlier one?   To quote Wayne Duncan's Flickr page:

"It was constructed for sulphur mining operations on the active volcano off the coast of Whakatane in the eastern Bay of Plenty during 1914 -1930, the sulphur being shipped to Sulphur Point in Tauranga where it was processed."

An internet search (a few years ago) found some basic stuff and pictures of remains of trucks etc.
Trying an internet search now is very difficult unless one is very specific.

cheers    Phil Rickard


White Island Volcano New Zealand

Stephen Percy Larcombe
 

I have a vague recollection of an article, which was in Light Railways back in the 1980s or there abouts relating to sulphur mining on a volcanic island in New Zealand, and associated tramway, I think a converted Fordson tractor was used to haul with. The mining enterprise was destroyed twice by eruptions, this sounds like the volcano that is currently in the news?

Does any one remember this article?

Yours
Stephen


Re: Len A. Clark photos

Graeme Prideaux <graeme.prideaux@...>
 

John

Len was a transport enthusiast from way, way back in the time almost beyond recall.  Some of his specialties were the tramway and ferry systems on the north shore of Port Jackson.  He was the author of the classic "North of the Harbour".

The images both in and out of copyright should be investigated as there are likely gems to be found. 

Cheers

GRP


Len A. Clark photos

John Browning
 

I happened across this collection in the SLNSW catalogue and thought it might be of interest.

They are listed as a collection of negatives and up to number 873 are all out of copyright.

I would imagine that you could photograph them using the light box and then convert them into positives on your computer.

Does anyone know if these photos are well known?

 

There are many photos of government railways and trams in different states.

 

Series 03: Negatives of trams, trains, railways and model railways in N.S.W. and Australia, ca. 1920-1970 / chiefly photographed by Len A. Clark

https://collection.sl.nsw.gov.au/item/n88E3pJn

355. BHP loco No. 23, [August 1935]
356. BHP loco No. 21, [August 1935]
364. SMR Ltd 29 at East Greta Loco, 29 August 1936
365. BHP loco No. 4, 1 September 1936
366. BHP loco No. 8, 1 September 1936
367. BHP loco No. 11, 1 September 1936
368. BHP loco No. 12, [September 1936]
369. BHP loco No. 14, [September 1936]
370. Lysaghts loco "Kathleen", 1 August 1936
371. SMR loco 26, East Greta, 29 August 1936

372. SMR loco 23, East Greta, 29 August 1936

636. Gembrook narrow gauge. Mixed at Gembrook, September 1938
637. Gembrook narrow gauge line. Water stop between Selby & Aura, September 1938

640. Gembrook Line No. 3A at Gembrook, September 1938
641. Gembrook narrow gauge. Goods vehicles at Gembrook, September 1938

757. Condong sugar mill 2' gauge diesel, 10 October 1947
758. Condong mill cane trucks, 10 October 1947

789. Broken Hill S.T.C. No. 12, 22 November 1949

792. Silverton Tramway "A" class No. 20, 23 November 1949

848. Prospect Gravel Co. loco No. 5, June 1950
852. Prospect Gravel loco No. 6, 10 June 1950
853. Prospect Gravel loco No. 5, 10 June 1950
857. Emu Gravel Co. loco (Old B class), 27 May 1951
860. Corrimal Coke Co. loco No. 18, 6 August 1951
861. Corrimal Coke Co. loco No. 18, 6 August 1951
862. Corrimal Coke Co. loco No. 18, 6 August 1951
863. Corrimal Coke Co. 2'6" gauge loco at mine, 6 August 1951
864. Corrimal Coke Co. loco 2/6" "Burra", 6 August 1951

873. Corrimal Coke Co. 2'6" gauge loco, 6 August 1951

1140. E.R.S Electric Loco at Port Kembla, 30 March 1957
1141. Old 27 P.W.D at Port Kembla, 30 March 1957
1143. E.R.S No 1 at Port Kembla, 30 March 1957

1370. The Spit Bridge, 3 September 1955
1371. The Spit Bridge, 3 September 1955
1372. The Spit Bridge, 3 September 1955

1711. S.M.R. loco, 26 September 1958
1712. S.M.R. loco, 26 September 1958
1713. S.M.R. loco 31 and Society's train, 26 October 1958
1716. S.M.R. loco 31 and Society's train, 26 October 1958
1717. S.M.R. 31 on Society's train, 26 October 1958

 

The Corrimal narrow gauge was 2ft and I have included The Spit bridge construction because a narrow gauge railway was used there.

 

John

 

 


Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

Roderick Smith
 


From a Tasmanian railway history, I was supplied with the coordinated.
The aerial view is miscaption.  The scattered buildings lower left are Blessington: just houses, and the Blessington fire-brigade garage.
The angled road past the mill site is Blessington Upper Road, leading past Blessington Upper, and on to Upper Esk, and through to Fingal.

The ground view accords roughly with my photo.

"Blessington-former-mill-a-aerial-ss.jpg" "Blessington-former-mill-b-ground-ss.jpg" 


Roderick


Re: Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

Greg Johnston
 

The brick sawdust kiln is still there. Quite clear on Google street view.

 

Greg

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Roderick Smith via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, 9 December 2019 12:15 PM
To: australiantransportnews@groups.io; lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

 

One group solved the tank; another solved the location.
Upper Blessington Rd near Foleys Rd (Blessington, Tas.): Ex-TGR ASG front tank at a sawmill.  Sat.31.8.85.  (Roderick Smith)
Modifications show that it was TGR, not EBR.
That is also consistent with the location.

We had come from Evandale to Ben Lomond to ski, but the the weather was vile and we abandoned the plan.
With a day to fill, we decided on as east-coast circuit.

Hence, at the T junction we turned right for Blessington, Upper Blessington, Upper Esk and Mathinna to Fingal, then to St Marys, St Helens, Legerwood, Scottsdale and on to Devonport for the night for Don River Railway next day.
The tank would have been a surprise, but quite obvious from the road.

I am not finding the sawmill on Google Earth today; it may well have vanished over 30 years.

 

Roderick

"850831Sa-XJ07-Blessington-exTGR-ASG.tank-RSmith-s.jpg"

"850831Sa-XJ07a-Blessington-exTGR-ASG.tank-RSmith-ss.jpg" 

 


Blessington (Tas.) Ex-TGR ASG front tank

Roderick Smith
 

One group solved the tank; another solved the location.
Upper Blessington Rd near Foleys Rd (Blessington, Tas.): Ex-TGR ASG front tank at a sawmill.  Sat.31.8.85.  (Roderick Smith)
Modifications show that it was TGR, not EBR.
That is also consistent with the location.
We had come from Evandale to Ben Lomond to ski, but the the weather was vile and we abandoned the plan.
With a day to fill, we decided on as east-coast circuit.
Hence, at the T junction we turned right for Blessington, Upper Blessington, Upper Esk and Mathinna to Fingal, then to St Marys, St Helens, Legerwood, Scottsdale and on to Devonport for the night for Don River Railway next day.
The tank would have been a surprise, but quite obvious from the road.
I am not finding the sawmill on Google Earth today; it may well have vanished over 30 years.

Roderick

"850831Sa-XJ07-Blessington-exTGR-ASG.tank-RSmith-s.jpg"
"850831Sa-XJ07a-Blessington-exTGR-ASG.tank-RSmith-ss.jpg" 

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