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OFF-TOPIC Photographs from Wales.

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Between the 21st and 23rd June the Ffestiniog & Welsh Highland Railway and the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog held a gala event called Past, Present and Future.

Star of the show was undoubtedly the Hunslet 2-6-2T Russell built in 1906; the locomotive pulled trains to Beddgelert for the first time in 80 years.

War Department Hunslet 303 / 1215 also visited the gala.

I have uploaded a collection of images to Flickr.

Take a look if you're interested.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157709467955721

Cheers,

Michael Chapman

Re: Choppers and Chippers

Frank Stamford
 


Regarding "Choppers and Chippers" which was published by the author, I have these two comments from people who handle LRRSA sales orders:

Choppers and Chippers is a logging history, covering all facets of the industry. There are some wonderful tramway photos and information, but it is not a "railway" book as such. It covers the logging industry in the West Otway, and is a companion volume to Sawdust and Steam, which covers the East Otways. Both books taken together expand significantly on Norm's earlier work, The Beechy. 

and:

As Norm explained it, Choppers & Chippers is the companion book to Sawdust & Steam and both books together replace The Beechy.

It is very much about the tramways, but has been expanded to include more of the social history associated with the sawmills and tramways of the Otway Ranges. Both books also include much information that was not yet discovered when The Beechy was written.

As I said previously it includes the logging industry in the post tramway era, with road transport and bulldozers.

That is all I can add at this stage.

Regards,
Frank


On 2/07/2019 1:30 am, B.Rumary wrote:

The LRRSA has a new book out - "Choppers and Chippers" by Norm Houghton.

Can anyone tell me how much information in this book covers logging tramways? There's no real information on this point in the blurb on the LRRSA book sales website.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: Choppers and Chippers

Frank Stamford
 

Thanks John. That is helping to build up a picture of where the book sits.


On 2 Jul 2019, at 11:11 am, John Dennis <jdennis412@...> wrote:

Hello Brian,

Fixing the description of this book has been on my to-do list for a little while. Unfortunately Norman Houghton (author and publisher) does not provide a blurb himself, and the book was added to our stock lists in a hurry to meet Light Railways deadlines, before we had even seen a copy ourselves. At the time I had very little information to go on. 

Choppers and Chippers is a logging history, covering all facets of the industry. There are some wonderful tramway photos and information, but it is not a "railway" book as such. It covers the logging industry in the West Otway, and is a companion volume to Sawdust and Steam, which covers the East Otways. Both boos taken together expand significantly on Norm's earlier work, The Beechy. 

Hope this helps,
John Dennis
LRRSA Sales

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 01:30, B.Rumary <brian@...> wrote:

The LRRSA has a new book out - "Choppers and Chippers" by Norm Houghton.

Can anyone tell me how much information in this book covers logging tramways? There's no real information on this point in the blurb on the LRRSA book sales website.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk

Re: Choppers and Chippers

John Dennis
 

Hello Brian,

Fixing the description of this book has been on my to-do list for a little while. Unfortunately Norman Houghton (author and publisher) does not provide a blurb himself, and the book was added to our stock lists in a hurry to meet Light Railways deadlines, before we had even seen a copy ourselves. At the time I had very little information to go on. 

Choppers and Chippers is a logging history, covering all facets of the industry. There are some wonderful tramway photos and information, but it is not a "railway" book as such. It covers the logging industry in the West Otway, and is a companion volume to Sawdust and Steam, which covers the East Otways. Both boos taken together expand significantly on Norm's earlier work, The Beechy. 

Hope this helps,
John Dennis
LRRSA Sales

On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 01:30, B.Rumary <brian@...> wrote:

The LRRSA has a new book out - "Choppers and Chippers" by Norm Houghton.

Can anyone tell me how much information in this book covers logging tramways? There's no real information on this point in the blurb on the LRRSA book sales website.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk

Re: Choppers and Chippers

Frank Stamford
 

Hello Brian,

The LRRSA is selling "Choppers and Chippers" but did not publish it. It was published by the author.

I do not have a copy so I cannot comment on your specific question, and it is a reasonable question.

I have seen a copy and remember being very impressed with many of the photographs. They were tempting, but I am attracted by historic photographs of things other than tramways.

But it is a sawmilling history, not specifically a tramway history, many of the pictures and some of the text is about sawmilling in the post tramway era.

Hopefully someone else on this Group might have a copy and be able to give you a more helpful response. In the meantime I will make some enquiries and if I find out more I will respond again here.

Rgards,
Frank

On 2/07/2019 1:30 am, B.Rumary wrote:

The LRRSA has a new book out - "Choppers and Chippers" by Norm Houghton.

Can anyone tell me how much information in this book covers logging tramways? There's no real information on this point in the blurb on the LRRSA book sales website.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Choppers and Chippers

B.Rumary
 

The LRRSA has a new book out - "Choppers and Chippers" by Norm Houghton.

Can anyone tell me how much information in this book covers logging tramways? There's no real information on this point in the blurb on the LRRSA book sales website.

-- 
Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk

Re: Robey boiler

Petan
 

Thanks Peter!

 

I’ll pass that on to the museum!

 

Cheers

Peter Cokley

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Evans
Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2019 5:04 PM
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Robey boiler

 

Looks to be a bog-standard locomotive (portable) boiler, internally fired with hot gases passing through the fire tubes.

heers,
PeterE.

Re: Robey boiler

Peter Evans
 

Looks to be a bog-standard locomotive (portable) boiler, internally fired with hot gases passing through the fire tubes.

heers,
PeterE.

Robey boiler

Petan
 

Just checking on behalf on Tweed Shire’s Tweed Regional Museum at Murwillumbah NSW  https://ehive.com/collections/5051/tweed-regional-museum

 

Would it be correct to say  the following portable steam engine, as described and shown in the following website details, would be a normal multi tubular boiler with the hot firebox gasses passing through horizontal tubes from firebox to smokebox and the boiler having water internally?  It is a Robey 25hp, 12 tonne, Class A DC, Portable Steam Engine, No. 29166 was built by Robey & Co. It is from a sawmill, so fuel would be sawmill offcuts. That website has the history of the engine.

https://ehive.com/collections/5051/objects/478464/robey-stationary-steam-engine

 

Thanks

Peter Cokley

OFF TOPIC Photographs from Wales

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Apologies once again for filling your inboxes, but I've been uploading more images to Flickr.

On the 6th May 2019 I visited the two foot gauge Vale of Rheidol Railway in mid-Wales. https://www.rheidolrailway.co.uk/

Hmmm, how can I put this... it's not the same as it used to be.

Here it is on HTV - Harlech Television in the 1970s: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4a6jn-18X0 
This was in the days when you had to hire a Bell Jetranger helicopter as there were no commercial drones!

Long-gone are the days of British Rail...

On the day I visited it was a bit over-cast - perhaps that has clouded my judgement, but to me it was all a bit clinical, perfect, and dare I say it, Disney-like.

For example, intermediate Great Western Railway halts have been recreated. This is all very well and good, but you can't get off, even when the train is paused to take on water.

However, they do have a superb £600K workshop at Aberystwyth where they do contract work. For example they are currently rebuilding a WW1 Baldwin tank locomotive for the Welsh Highland Heritage Railway in Porthmadog. Their appeal can be viewed here: https://www.whr.co.uk/appeals/baldwin-rebuild/

I've created a seperate album of Baldwin photographs here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157708437520185

Anyway, I digress here is a link to the VOR album:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157708437381375

Take a look if you are interested.

And if you are, here's an album from 2012 too.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157644855253584

Off to Wales again this weekend to see Russell return to Beddgelert on the Welsh Highland Railway - more to follow.

Cheers,

Michael Chapman

PROV mapwarper

Stuart Thyer
 

https://mapwarper.prov.vic.gov.au/

 

The PROV Map Warper is a tool for digitally aligning ('rectifying') historical maps and plans from Public Record Office Victoria's collections to match today's precise maps. Visitors can browse already rectified maps or assist us by aligning a map.

 

It’s a technique probably very familiar to many light railway researchers already. Depending on the sources, I’ve used both Google Earth’s version and also Photoshop for previous work.

Re: OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Michael C.
 

Is it advertised as steam?

https://flic.kr/p/2gaRYm7

Coming soon... the water tower has already been restored.

Michael Chapman



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-------- Original message --------
From: Hunslet <hunslet@...>
Date: 11/06/2019 04:50 (GMT+00:00)
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Advertised as steam, but run with a diesel?!

Hunslet

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael C. via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 8:27 AM
To: lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

 

Dear all,

 

Apologies once again for filling your inboxes with off-topic material.

 

I have been uploading images to Flickr...

 

This time from the Nilgiri Mountain Railway again and a special excursion train from Ooty to Ketti.

 

There are also some scenic views and a quick look round the town of Ooty.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Michael Chapman

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: chapmanmchapman <chapmanmchapman@...>
To: lrrsa <lrrsa@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 0:25
Subject: OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Dear all,

 

Back in March I was fortunate enough to ride the metre gauge Niligiri Mountain Railway in India - it was a brilliant experience; scenery, steam, and stations with all the paraphernalia from a bygone era.

 

More information can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilgiri_Mountain_Railway

 

Photographs from my trip on 2nd March can be seen here:

 

 

I also have a separate album of images from on-shed at Coonoor showing the amazing 0-8-2 rack locomotives under repair etc.

 

 

Take a look if you are interested.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael Chapman

UK

Re: OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Hunslet
 

Advertised as steam, but run with a diesel?!

Hunslet

 

From: LRRSA@groups.io [mailto:LRRSA@groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael C. via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, 9 June 2019 8:27 AM
To: lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

 

Dear all,

 

Apologies once again for filling your inboxes with off-topic material.

 

I have been uploading images to Flickr...

 

This time from the Nilgiri Mountain Railway again and a special excursion train from Ooty to Ketti.

 

There are also some scenic views and a quick look round the town of Ooty.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Michael Chapman

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: chapmanmchapman <chapmanmchapman@...>
To: lrrsa <lrrsa@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 0:25
Subject: OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Dear all,

 

Back in March I was fortunate enough to ride the metre gauge Niligiri Mountain Railway in India - it was a brilliant experience; scenery, steam, and stations with all the paraphernalia from a bygone era.

 

More information can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilgiri_Mountain_Railway

 

Photographs from my trip on 2nd March can be seen here:

 

 

I also have a separate album of images from on-shed at Coonoor showing the amazing 0-8-2 rack locomotives under repair etc.

 

 

Take a look if you are interested.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael Chapman

UK

Re: OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Apologies once again for filling your inboxes with off-topic material.

I have been uploading images to Flickr...

This time from the Nilgiri Mountain Railway again and a special excursion train from Ooty to Ketti.

There are also some scenic views and a quick look round the town of Ooty.

Take a look if you are interested: https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157705106628152

Cheers,

Michael Chapman




-----Original Message-----
From: chapmanmchapman <chapmanmchapman@...>
To: lrrsa <lrrsa@groups.io>
Sent: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 0:25
Subject: OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Dear all,

Back in March I was fortunate enough to ride the metre gauge Niligiri Mountain Railway in India - it was a brilliant experience; scenery, steam, and stations with all the paraphernalia from a bygone era.

More information can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilgiri_Mountain_Railway

Photographs from my trip on 2nd March can be seen here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157680233335178

I also have a separate album of images from on-shed at Coonoor showing the amazing 0-8-2 rack locomotives under repair etc.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157708587319504

Take a look if you are interested.

Cheers,

Michael Chapman
UK

OFF TOPIC - more photographs from India

Michael C.
 

Dear all,

Back in March I was fortunate enough to ride the metre gauge Niligiri Mountain Railway in India - it was a brilliant experience; scenery, steam, and stations with all the paraphernalia from a bygone era.

More information can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nilgiri_Mountain_Railway

Photographs from my trip on 2nd March can be seen here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157680233335178

I also have a separate album of images from on-shed at Coonoor showing the amazing 0-8-2 rack locomotives under repair etc.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157708587319504

Take a look if you are interested.

Cheers,

Michael Chapman
UK

Prospects for use of construction rail in up-coming Australian tunnelling - an overview

Philip G Graham
 

After several disappointing possibilities, there may be 'light at the end of the tunnel'.

Summing up the recent projects:

The large diameter TBM-bored road traffic tunnels in Brisbane all used the Multi Purpose Vehicles (MPV)* - bi-directional pneumatic-tyred articulated carriers - for the first time in Australia. Plenty of clearance to manoeuvre these lumbering vehicles in this diameter of tunnel where Herrenknecht TBMs were used. In addition the suppliers of the TBMs now have their own subsidiary suppliers of MPVs.
The tunnelling of the drift at Anglo American's Gosvenor mine also used MPV support with the Robbins TBM.
    * also M.. Service V.. (MSV), or M.. Function V.. (MFV)

In the case of the various Metro TBM-bored tunnel projects these are in the range of TBM diameters where either MPV or construction rail support was an option. Depending on the main tunnelling partner of the contractors's recent experience and preferences, the new market in Australia, the supply of branded TBMs from China and numerous other factors it seems that MPVs have prevailed:
1) For the north west section of the Sydney Metro contractors Thiess/John Holland/Dragados JV used MPVs with the NFM TBMs.
2) For the Forrestfield-Airport Link contractors Salini Impregilo/NRW jv used MPVs with the Herrenknecht TBMs.
3) For the city section of the Sydney Metro contractors John Holland/CPB Contractors/Ghella jv are using MPVs with the Herrenknecht TBMs.
4) For the city section of the Melbourne Metro contractors Lendlease Engineering/John Holland/Buoygues Construction/Capella Capital jv are using MPVs with their Herrenknecht TBMs.

The large diameter road traffic TBM-bored tunnel for the West Gate access project in Melbourne will also inevitably use the MPVs.

Who has done what - the global partners in the joint ventures:

 - Dragados, up to the event of the Australian projects, almost exclusively used construction rail for metro and heavy rail projects particularly in their base Spain and Hong Kong
- Salini/Impreglio the same, with large water tunnel projects in many parts of the world, metro and heavy rail projects particularly in their base Italy.
- Ghella the same, also with large water tunnel projects in many parts of the world, metro and heavy rail projects particularly in their base Italy.
- And as previously mentioned in the earlier post, Buoygues metro and heavy rail projects particularly in their base France and Hong Kong.

What of the future?

The letting of firm contracts for Snowy 2.0 is perhaps the first glimmer of a possible return to use of construction rail in medium size tunnels in Australia. The construction firm Salini/Impreglio is highly experienced in water tunnel projects and has overcome difficult tunnelling in various parts of the world and more recently in North America. Its Lake Mead Intake Tunnel No 3 for South Nevada Water Authority (SNWA), involved tunnelling under and out near the centre of the Lake under a shrinking water level to assist with a lower intake tunnel. For that project the contractor used a fleet of venerable Schöma tunnel locomotives with muck disposal by rail.

For the Snowy 2.0 Pumped Storage Scheme, the Headrace and Tailrace tunnels will likely use improved design conveyor belt transport for muck disposal (the current trend), construction rail confined to TBM and road header supply duties, manrider and other supplies depending on the tunnel lining requirements. Salini/Impreglio have at its disposal a number of tunnel construction locomotives from various sites around the world, but the opportunity may be taken to update its fleet with the latest emissions compliant tunnel locomotives. Schöma is a significant presence both in Salini/Impreglio's current fleet and as a potential supplier of new units.

Snowy Hydro, Snowy 2.0 Pumped Storage Scheme - Future Generation jv= Salini-Impreglio/Lane Construction/Clough - Headrace Tunnel, Tantangara Reservoir~HEPS pressure Shaft x X XXX m; Tailrace Tunnel, HEPS~Talbingo Reservoir x X XXX m {27 000 m total}

Finally, there are undoubtedly some more new waste water CSO, potable water and HV cable tunnels projects in the planning stage in the various rapidly expanding Australian capital cities which still lend themselves ideally to construction rail assist.

See Also: "Metro Tunnels might utilise tunnel locos? " LRRSA Groups Message 18/09/2017 #9491

Off-topic: narrow gauge photos from India.

Michael C.
 

G'day again,

I  have been sorting through my Indian photos again.

Images from on-shed at Coonoor on the Niligiri Mountain Railway are now online. 

Take a look if you're interested.

I shared an album with you from the Flickr app.

Check it out:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsmDvp1RN

Cheers.

Michael Chapman


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Re: Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic

David Halfpenny
 

-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Sewell <kevinrsewell@...>
Date: 02/06/2019 02:21 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic

Lived there for two years and could never work out why the "anks" got a holiday.

Named after a specific Act of Parliament, designed to put finance service deals on a level playing field.
The actual number of days Anks were shut has varied widely over the centuries.

Surely since the country as a whole got the holiday they are "public" holidays not just "bank" holidays.

Not always.
For 100 years there were only 4 Public Holidays (plus 52 Sundays) for the country as a whole.
Plus another 4 specific Ank holidays, which The Workers might or might not get off.

The virtual scrapping of Sunday, the rise of 24/7 anking, and the creeping addition of more Public Holidays has rendered the old legal distinction meaningless in everyday life.
What actually counts is when stock markets are open.

Which is what Kevin said, but in more words :-)

David 1/2d

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 10:21 AM, Greg Stephenson <greg.stephenson@...> wrote:
I hope you and all the other ‘anks’ had a good holiday! 🤭😃


Re: Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic

Michael C.
 

I dunno.

Public holidayswould work for me.

https://www.gov.uk/bank-holidays

Michael Chapman



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-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Sewell <kevinrsewell@...>
Date: 02/06/2019 02:21 (GMT+00:00)
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic

Lived there for two years and could never work out why the "anks" got a holiday. Surely since the country as a whole got the holiday they are "public" holidays not just "bank" holidays. Why don't they say insurance holidays, or engineering holidays, or council holidays, or real estate holidays, or court system holidays. But that was just one of a myriad of weirdities over there.

On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 10:21 AM, Greg Stephenson <greg.stephenson@...> wrote:
I hope you and all the other ‘anks’ had a good holiday! 🤭😃

Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia

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From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Michael C. via Groups.Io <chapmanmchapman=aol.com@groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:41:32 AM
To: lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic
 
Dear all,

On Monday the 27th May it was a ank-holiday in the UK so I was off work - hurray!

I visited the dual-gauge 12.25" and 15" gauge Fairbourne Railway on the West Coast of Wales. Visit: http://www.fairbournerailway.com/

There were a number of visiting locomotives; perhaps the most interesting being 'Katie' built in 1896.


There is an Australian link too! One of the other visiting locomotives was 'Mountaineer' formerly employed on the Bush Mill Railway in Tasmania. I was lucky enough to ride this in the late 1990s and was sad when it closed. 

I took lots of photographs and the best ones have been uploaded to Flickr.

Take a look if you are interested:


Cheers,

Michael Chapman


--
What we see when watching others depends on the purity of the window through which we look

Re: Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic

Michael C.
 

Ooops.

Sorry, bank holiday.

Michael Chapman


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-------- Original message --------
From: Greg Stephenson <greg.stephenson@...>
Date: 02/06/2019 01:21 (GMT+00:00)
To: LRRSA@groups.io
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic

I hope you and all the other ‘anks’ had a good holiday! 🤭😃

Greg Stephenson
Brisbane, Australia

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From: LRRSA@groups.io <LRRSA@groups.io> on behalf of Michael C. via Groups.Io <chapmanmchapman@...>
Sent: Sunday, June 2, 2019 5:41:32 AM
To: lrrsa@groups.io
Subject: [LRRSA] Photographs from Wales - slightly off-topic
 
Dear all,

On Monday the 27th May it was a ank-holiday in the UK so I was off work - hurray!

I visited the dual-gauge 12.25" and 15" gauge Fairbourne Railway on the West Coast of Wales. Visit: http://www.fairbournerailway.com/

There were a number of visiting locomotives; perhaps the most interesting being 'Katie' built in 1896.

Visit: https://ravenglassrailwaymuseum.co.uk/portfolio/cras-aliquam-neque-nisl/

There is an Australian link too! One of the other visiting locomotives was 'Mountaineer' formerly employed on the Bush Mill Railway in Tasmania. I was lucky enough to ride this in the late 1990s and was sad when it closed. 

I took lots of photographs and the best ones have been uploaded to Flickr.

Take a look if you are interested:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/55958391@N07/albums/72157708812220768

Cheers,

Michael Chapman