Re: Pyrmont CSR

Tony Smith

In the book "Coaching Stock of the NSWGR" by Cooke, Estell, Beckhaus and Seckhold, there is mention of the 22ft bodied, 11ft 6in wheelbase 4 wheeled carriages built in 1881 by Moyes & Donald in Wickham, Newcastle for use on the Northern system. Second Class car 52N (later various renumberings in different years as 289, 654 and finally 289A) ended up as condemned at Lismore in 1912. The book then says this carriage ".. Lay idle there for 8 years until 1920 when it was ordered to be converted into a Cane Truck".

Also, there are mention of the Ritchie Cars of 1883 (21ft body, 11' wb), and again quoting from the book: ".. A number of the longest surviving in Passenger Service ended their days on the isolated Tweed Railway, headquartered at Lismore. Two of these had their underframes used as Cane Trucks...". (69N condemned 8/10, converted 1911, and 74N also condemned 8/10, converted 1911). 

The Hudson built cars (21ft body, 11'6" wb) of 1885 shows 1st class car No.86 also being condemned at Lismore in Aug 1910 and the underframe being converted in 1911 to Cane Truck.

The 4 wheel Cane Trucks were it seems NOT built using segments of longer bogie passenger underframes, but built on actual 4wh underframes to give 24' 6" over buffers. 52N, 69N, 74N and 86 were the only specific references I could find to conversion to Cane Truck, but there are other numerous 4 wheeled Carriages that show their final end as "Unknown" that could also have been utilised.


From: "'Peter Cokley' yahoomail@... [LRRSA]"
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Monday, 5 March 2018, 11:21
Subject: RE: [LRRSA] Pyrmont CSR

Quite an interesting topic as the standard gauge NSWGR aspect of the Tweed sugar cane and processed sugar  / molasses transportation shows some ‘interesting’ aspects for those LRRSA folk who study the wagons that operated on long disused rail routes. Sugar Cane wagon were listed in the 1945 version of the state wide NSWGR General Appendix to the Book of Rules and Regulations and to the Working Time-Tables - Part I. The wagon data included wheel arrangements (bogie or 4W), length over buffers / couplers as well as carrying capacity. The cane wagon of particular interest is the LCT, described as ***Old Carriage Underframe*** 24 ft 6 in, 8 Tons;  That 1945 GA is found at
But the LCT, described as ‘Old Carriage Underframe’ on that 1945 GA, are listed as four wheel in the February 1969 NSWGR state wide General Appendix to the Book of Rules and Regulations and to the Working Time-Tables - Part I, as follows; LCT 4W, 24 ft 6 in, 8 Tons;  That suggests the passenger presumably bogie gear was swapped for 4 wheel style in the cane rebuild. Maybe the passenger bogies were reused under other passenger cars.  

Peter Cokley

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