Re: : Re: Balls Head

Peter Knife

I have always understood that a wharf had a solid wall down to the bottom of the water, backfilled and contiguous to the land, while a jetty/pier was a structure built out over the water on piles. However I do agree that the terms seem to be used interchangeably nowadays.






From: LRRSA@... [mailto:LRRSA@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 1 March 2016 12:49 PM
To: LRRSA@...
Subject: Re: [LRRSA] Re:: Re: Balls Head



I think they are. Victoria Dock for example had Central Pier which featured numbered wharves along both sides as it jutted out from the end of the dock.

Generally speaking I think Australian usage would see a pier being a more substantially constructed and larger for of a jetty.



Mobile: +61 407700911

On 1 Mar 2016, at 12:43 PM, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


Indeed. And perhaps the largest container berth in Melbourne is Appleton Dock. 


Looks to me as though the names are all interchangable...




On 29 February 2016 at 23:07, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


I disagree with the orientation point. Melbourne had many wharves that were at right angles to the shore. It's about function. Wharves to me are facilities where ships/boats berthed to take on/ take off people/cargo. The direction they pointed is irrelevant.

You can tie a boat up to anything.  Many jetties had landing platforms to tie up to. The platforms sometimes are referred to as wharves. It's all pretty subjective.


Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 22:38, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


Fair enough. I agree with your jetty/pier descriptions then . However boats tie up to both jetties and piers, as well as wharves. My description of a wharf would include something indicating "running parallel to the coast/river bank" as opposed to jutting out into the water. 


But. there are exceptions everywhere, I am sure...




On 29 February 2016 at 22:28, Mike McCarthy mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


More of description than a definition and in any case I wasn't referring to length. I was referring to how substantial a structure it is. If it was of typical wooden pile construction and a couple of meters in width it would be a jetty to me. If it was of concrete construction I would be inclined to call it a pier.

I suspect pier vs jetty is a bit subjective. What I gave is how I would describe each. How someone else does is their business.

Its a bit like boat vs ship and tramway vs railway. There is a big grey zone. Also some structures start off as small jetties and continue to be referred to as such even if a century later they are of much more substantial construction. "Welshpool jetty" for example is very much a pier to me these days.



Mobile: +61 407700911

On 29 Feb 2016, at 19:55, John Dennis jdennis412@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


The Carnarvon Jetty and the Port Germein Jetty, both about one mile long, sort of contradict your "small/medium" definition. 




On 29 February 2016 at 19:47, mike.mccarthy51@... [LRRSA] <LRRSA@...> wrote:


My own definition/description would be:
Jetty - a small/medium sized wooden structure jutting out from a shoreline
Pier - a large wooden or masonry structure jutting out from a shoreline
Wharf - a structure that boats or ships tie up to.

This is how I have always understood things but can't recall why I have come to understand these structures in this way.


Join to automatically receive all group messages.