Re: Perry 3' and 3'6" Locomotives

David Price
 

Hi John,

many thanks for the information - I do still wonder which Perry it may be in the photo I have posted under the Hume Dam folder on the LRRSA Yahoo Groups site (as it clearly is numbered 5on the side of the cab)?  The photo in Edition 23 of Light Railways shows another Perry numbered 25 on a cart - with similar sand dome between the steam dome and the cab.

Number 11 from the Cement Works (#267) had square sand boxes mounted on the front and rear of each side tank - a Perry design as shown on construction drawings.


Klondyke is definitely the locomotive that was originally 3'0" as one can see where the joggle in the frames has been straightened in converting to 3'6" - question still remains whether the 0-4-2 conversion was done firstly to improve riding (as one source suggests) or jointly to support the oil burning conversion (due to the weight Klondyke now carries over the trailing truck I would have thought the latter).

As an aside when we pulled the trailing truck out last year the axle appeared to have been fabricated by forging components together - possibly from a 2'0" axle with extensions forged on.  Crack testing revealed no faults where the apparent forgings were done.

Your information (and Light Railways #23) has confirmed that the other photo I had posted is in fact a Vulcan - I had thought initially it was a Davenport as, in my view, Vulcan products tend to be a little less elegant in their proportions (ie: Cement Works Numbers 4 & 5 of 1916) - but very tough and practical in operation!


Regards,

 
David Price


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From: John Browning <ceo8@...>
To: LRRSA@...
Sent: Wednesday, 11 April 2012 9:24 PM
Subject: [LRRSA] Perry 3' and 3'6" Locomotives


 
Dear David

A few belated comments on your original request that may be of value to you:

The Perry maker’s list (as published by LRRSA) shows the following contractor’s locomotives:

· 265 of 1925, 266 to 269 of 1926 and 270 of 1927 all 3ft 6in gauge for State Rivers & Water Supply Commission of Victoria, Hume Reservoir construction.

· 271 of 1927 3ft gauge for State Rivers & Water Supply Commission of Victoria, Bethanga Bridge construction.

· 272 to 280 of 1928 all 3ft 6in gauge for Melbourne & Metropolitan Board of Works, Silvan Dam construction.

Perry 271 was converted to 3ft 6in gauge for use on the Hume Reservoir project following the construction of the Bethanga Bridge.

3ft gauge was a common gauge used on construction projects, and the NSW PWD had 3ft gauge equipment that may have been used on the job, which was a joint one between the Victorian and NSW governments. The NSW PWD also had the following 3ft gauge locomotives working on their Hume Weir construction works:

· Vulcan Iron Works 3055 of 1920 0-4-0ST – NSW PWD, Hume Weir (67)

sold for scrap 1936

· Vulcan Iron Works 3232 of 1922 0-4-0ST - NSW PWD, Hume Weir (68)

sold for scrap 1936

· Fowler 16130 of 1924 0‑4‑0T - NSW PWD, Hume Weir (70)

sold for scrap 1936

· Barclay 1900 of 1927 0-4-0T - NSW PWD, Hume Weir (74)

Johnston’s Foundry, South Melbourne, Vic (for scrap), 1938

An early copy of “Light Railways” (No.23) had some more details of the Hume Weir project and may be worth hunting down (for example at the State Library).

My understanding is that the Pioneer Mill locomotives were converted to 0-4-2T to provide better riding characteristics before they were converted to oil firing.

I provide below brief detail of my notes of the disposal of the locomotives:

· Perry 265 - SR&WSC, Hume Weir (7)

Mt.Morgan Ltd., Qld, 1939 (No.1); out of use, 1946; Pioneer Sugar Mills Ltd., Pioneer Mill, Brandon, Qld, 1949 (KILRIE); rebuilt as 0-4-2T; converted to oil burning, 1959; Australian Narrow Gauge Railway Museum Society, Brisbane, Qld., 1980; leased to Pioneer Steam Railway Co-operative, Box Flat, Qld, 1980; Pioneer Steam Railway Co-operative, Box Flat, Qld, 2008.

· Perry 266 – SR&WSC, Hume Weir (21)

Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne, 1939; State Electricity Commission of Victoria, Yallourn North, 1941 (66); out of use, 1942; offered for sale, July 1946; Australian Portland Cement Ltd., Fyansford, Vic., 1947 (10); scrapped

· Perry 267 – SR&WSC, Hume Weir

Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne, 1939; State Electricity Commission of Victoria, Yallourn North, 1941 (67); out of use, 1942; offered for sale, July 1946; Australian Portland Cement Ltd., Fyansford, Vic., 1947 (11); out of use 1966; Puffing Billy Preservation Society, Menzies Creek Museum, Vic., 1968; Geelong Steam Preservation Society, Bellarine Peninsula Railway, Vic, 2009

· Perry 268 – SR&WSC, Hume Weir

Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne, 1939; Evans Deakin Ltd., Rocklea, Qld., 1940 (LM2); out of use 1965; scrapped.

· Perry 269 – SR&WSC, Hume Weir

Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne; Mt.Morgan Mines Ltd., Qld, 1936 (No.4); fitted with new Burns & Twigg boiler, 1936; Pioneer Sugar Mills Ltd., Pioneer Mill, Brandon, Qld., 1949 (PIONEER No.2 ‘Taipan'); rebuilt as 0-4-2T; converted to oil burner, 1960; out of use 1963; scrapped 1966.

· Perry 270 – SR&WSC, Hume Weir

Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne, 1939; Evans Deakin Ltd., Rocklea, Qld., 1940 (LM1); out of use 1965; scrapped

· Perry 271 – SR&WSC, Bethanga Bridge (3ft gauge)

SR&WSC, Hume Weir, 1928 (converted to 3ft 6in gauge); Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne, 1939; Pioneer Sugar Mills Ltd., Pioneer Mill, Brandon, Qld., 1940 (KLONDYKE No.2); rebuilt as 0-4-2T; converted to oil burner, 1962; out of use 1966; Geelong Steam Preservation Society, Belmont Common, Vic., 1971; Geelong Steam Preservation Society, Bellarine Peninsula Railway, Vic., 1983; leased to Mt Lyell Abt Wilderness Railway, Queenstown, Tas, 2000; returned 2001

· Perry 272 – M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.1)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; sold for scrap 1955/6

· Perry 273 – M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.2)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; sold for scrap 1955/6

· Perry 274 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.3)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; sold for scrap 1955/6

· Perry 275 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.4)

offered for sale at auction, December 1935; State Electricity Commission of Victoria, Yallourn North, 1942 (75); out of use 1942; offered for sale, July 1946; scrapped 1951

· Perry 276 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.5)

offered for sale at auction, December 1935; State Electricity Commission of Victoria, Yallourn North, 1942 (76); out of use 1942; offered for sale, July 1946; scrapped 1951

· Perry 277 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.6)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; State Electricity Commission of Victoria, Yallourn North, 1942 (77); out of use 1942; offered for sale, July 1946; scrapped 1951

· Perry 278 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.7)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; State Electricity Commission of Victoria, Yallourn North, 1942 (78); out of use 1942; offered for sale, July 1946; scrapped 1951

· Perry 279 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.8)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; sold for scrap 1955/6

· Perry 280 - M&MBW, Silvan Dam Construction (No.9)

out of use 1932; offered for sale at auction, December 1935; sold for scrap 1955/6

The Perry 0-4-0T locomotive design had originated with a consulting engineer named Leslie. The first locomotive to his design had been built for the SR&WSC for use at Hume Weir in 1923 by Alfred T Harman of Port Melbourne. It could be differentiated from the Perry locomotives by the round edge on its side tank tops.

Its history is supposedly as follows:

· offered for sale at disposal auction by JH Curnow & Son, 1936; Bingle - McDavitt Machinery Co., Melbourne, 1939; Tasmanian Hydro-Electric Commission, Clark Dam, 1944; Tasmanian Hydro-Electric Commission, Butler’s gorge; scrapped 1953

These Perry locomotives are really not my speciality so some of this recorded information may not be totally correct. Any comments, additions or corrections would be welcome.

John

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