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Re: Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

labchick61
 

I have been observing Lesser Goldfinches in my backyard year round for several years now. I have 3 thistle socks and they come every day. They have successfully reared many fledglings that come to the feeders and beg from their parents!


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

rattlesnake4873
 

It's a deal



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-------- Original message --------
From: Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...>
Date: 8/8/20 9:54 PM (GMT-07:00)
To: IBLE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

If I bump into you, at the pond, Dean, let me know the birds you've seen as I'm basically bird illiterate. If I find you there, good on you for sweating a gallon to get there.

Kevin

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:14 PM rbird1286 via groups.io <ruthanngreene=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 5:06:49 PM MDT, rattlesnake4873 <rattlesnake4873@...> wrote:


Where is chukar butte trail/directions?

Thanks!

Dean Jones

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:02 AM Dondi Black <dondiblack@...> wrote:
It is a great hidden oasis in the spring, not so sure about August.  Popular stop for mountain bikers, hikers, families.

Dondi Black
Boise, Idaho

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Marvelous, Diann. Did you observe any critters when you visited the pond?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:59 AM Diann Stone <dstoneak2id@...> wrote:
Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

Kevin Merrell
 

If I bump into you, at the pond, Dean, let me know the birds you've seen as I'm basically bird illiterate. If I find you there, good on you for sweating a gallon to get there.

Kevin


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 5:14 PM rbird1286 via groups.io <ruthanngreene=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 5:06:49 PM MDT, rattlesnake4873 <rattlesnake4873@...> wrote:


Where is chukar butte trail/directions?

Thanks!

Dean Jones

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:02 AM Dondi Black <dondiblack@...> wrote:
It is a great hidden oasis in the spring, not so sure about August.  Popular stop for mountain bikers, hikers, families.

Dondi Black
Boise, Idaho

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Marvelous, Diann. Did you observe any critters when you visited the pond?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:59 AM Diann Stone <dstoneak2id@...> wrote:
Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Re: Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

Jim Lyons
 

Scott -

I'll add my thanks for the thoughts and yes data on the historic expansion of the Lesser Goldfinch. Wonder how it compares to other species' expansions over the same time in our area - precious few of them, alas. Have thought this would make a great Osher class!

--
Jim Lyons
jflyons@...
208-340-0533


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:05 AM Scott Tuthill <satuthill@...> wrote:
I meant to add some thoughts to the messages a week ago, but I had to find the document with the notes I wanted to pass on. First, I would say that Lesser Goldfinches have, over the last 20 years, undergone the largest range and population expansion of any bird in, at least, the Boise/Treasure Valley area. It also has a very special place on my life list as, I believe, the only bird where I saw my "lifer" in my yard. I remember looking out one day and saw a small group feeding in lavender plants in our front yard.

As far as the notes I wanted to pass on - I have a copy of a 1986 publication "The Status of Historically Rare or Unrecorded Birds in Idaho" by Daniel Taylor and Charles Trost. The description of the Lesser Goldfinch is as follows: "This goldfinch is causal in Oregon, Wyoming, and British Columbia. It has been reported without detail to occur at Minidoka NWR as a rare spring and fall visitor. One was at the Portneuf Gap near Pocatello on 21 May 1976. Four were at Caldwell, Canyon Co. on 12-15 April 1980 and a pair (same birds?) were at nearby Nampa a month later. One was in Shoshone Basin, Lincoln Co. on 19 May 1982. They have been observed in Twin Falls Co. at T. 12S, R. 17E, Sec. 21 on 16 June 1979 and at Mullen Creek on 24 August 1979." So, 35 years ago, more or less, Lesser Goldfinches were so uncommon in Idaho that individual records were still being recognized. And, today, as I type this one is in the tree outside my window and more are coming into my thistle feeders than the sum total of the records mentioned in the 1986 publication. Pretty interesting.

Scott Tuthill


Re: Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

Nancy Miller
 

We only saw one a few years ago and then a few last year and now we see them regularly as well as American Goldfinches at our feeder.

Nancy Miller

Viola ID

 

From: IBLE@groups.io <IBLE@groups.io> On Behalf Of Jay Carlisle via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 11:40 AM
To: IBLE@groups.io
Subject: Re: [IBLE] Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

 

Thanks Scott

 

Fun to get all those details!  When I was first in town ~24 years ago, they were becoming a bit more common but now I better understand why RL was so excited about them 😁

 

Jay



On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Richard and Ann Rusnak <rarusnak62@...> wrote:

In Nampa yesterday I had 2-3 lesser GF, in my native wildflowers, this being a first non winter backyard observation.

Rich Rusnak



On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Scott Tuthill <satuthill@...> wrote:

I meant to add some thoughts to the messages a week ago, but I had to find the document with the notes I wanted to pass on. First, I would say that Lesser Goldfinches have, over the last 20 years, undergone the largest range and population expansion of any bird in, at least, the Boise/Treasure Valley area. It also has a very special place on my life list as, I believe, the only bird where I saw my "lifer" in my yard. I remember looking out one day and saw a small group feeding in lavender plants in our front yard.

As far as the notes I wanted to pass on - I have a copy of a 1986 publication "The Status of Historically Rare or Unrecorded Birds in Idaho" by Daniel Taylor and Charles Trost. The description of the Lesser Goldfinch is as follows: "This goldfinch is causal in Oregon, Wyoming, and British Columbia. It has been reported without detail to occur at Minidoka NWR as a rare spring and fall visitor. One was at the Portneuf Gap near Pocatello on 21 May 1976. Four were at Caldwell, Canyon Co. on 12-15 April 1980 and a pair (same birds?) were at nearby Nampa a month later. One was in Shoshone Basin, Lincoln Co. on 19 May 1982. They have been observed in Twin Falls Co. at T. 12S, R. 17E, Sec. 21 on 16 June 1979 and at Mullen Creek on 24 August 1979." So, 35 years ago, more or less, Lesser Goldfinches were so uncommon in Idaho that individual records were still being recognized. And, today, as I type this one is in the tree outside my window and more are coming into my thistle feeders than the sum total of the records mentioned in the 1986 publication. Pretty interesting.

Scott Tuthill


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

rbird1286
 

On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 5:06:49 PM MDT, rattlesnake4873 <rattlesnake4873@...> wrote:


Where is chukar butte trail/directions?

Thanks!

Dean Jones

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:02 AM Dondi Black <dondiblack@...> wrote:
It is a great hidden oasis in the spring, not so sure about August.  Popular stop for mountain bikers, hikers, families.

Dondi Black
Boise, Idaho

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Marvelous, Diann. Did you observe any critters when you visited the pond?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:59 AM Diann Stone <dstoneak2id@...> wrote:
Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

rattlesnake4873
 

Where is chukar butte trail/directions?

Thanks!

Dean Jones

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 10:02 AM Dondi Black <dondiblack@...> wrote:
It is a great hidden oasis in the spring, not so sure about August.  Popular stop for mountain bikers, hikers, families.

Dondi Black
Boise, Idaho

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Marvelous, Diann. Did you observe any critters when you visited the pond?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:59 AM Diann Stone <dstoneak2id@...> wrote:
Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Re: Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

Jay Carlisle
 

Thanks Scott

Fun to get all those details!  When I was first in town ~24 years ago, they were becoming a bit more common but now I better understand why RL was so excited about them 😁

Jay




On Saturday, August 8, 2020, 9:52 AM, Richard and Ann Rusnak <rarusnak62@...> wrote:

In Nampa yesterday I had 2-3 lesser GF, in my native wildflowers, this being a first non winter backyard observation.
Rich Rusnak


On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Scott Tuthill <satuthill@...> wrote:

I meant to add some thoughts to the messages a week ago, but I had to find the document with the notes I wanted to pass on. First, I would say that Lesser Goldfinches have, over the last 20 years, undergone the largest range and population expansion of any bird in, at least, the Boise/Treasure Valley area. It also has a very special place on my life list as, I believe, the only bird where I saw my "lifer" in my yard. I remember looking out one day and saw a small group feeding in lavender plants in our front yard.

As far as the notes I wanted to pass on - I have a copy of a 1986 publication "The Status of Historically Rare or Unrecorded Birds in Idaho" by Daniel Taylor and Charles Trost. The description of the Lesser Goldfinch is as follows: "This goldfinch is causal in Oregon, Wyoming, and British Columbia. It has been reported without detail to occur at Minidoka NWR as a rare spring and fall visitor. One was at the Portneuf Gap near Pocatello on 21 May 1976. Four were at Caldwell, Canyon Co. on 12-15 April 1980 and a pair (same birds?) were at nearby Nampa a month later. One was in Shoshone Basin, Lincoln Co. on 19 May 1982. They have been observed in Twin Falls Co. at T. 12S, R. 17E, Sec. 21 on 16 June 1979 and at Mullen Creek on 24 August 1979." So, 35 years ago, more or less, Lesser Goldfinches were so uncommon in Idaho that individual records were still being recognized. And, today, as I type this one is in the tree outside my window and more are coming into my thistle feeders than the sum total of the records mentioned in the 1986 publication. Pretty interesting.

Scott Tuthill


Re: Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

Larry Arnold <larnold47@...>
 


DATA !!! 

Thank you Scott   =)



From: "Scott Tuthill" <satuthill@...>
To: "IBLE" <IBLE@groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2020 8:05:20 AM
Subject: [IBLE] Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

I meant to add some thoughts to the messages a week ago, but I had to find the document with the notes I wanted to pass on. First, I would say that Lesser Goldfinches have, over the last 20 years, undergone the largest range and population expansion of any bird in, at least, the Boise/Treasure Valley area. It also has a very special place on my life list as, I believe, the only bird where I saw my "lifer" in my yard. I remember looking out one day and saw a small group feeding in lavender plants in our front yard.

As far as the notes I wanted to pass on - I have a copy of a 1986 publication "The Status of Historically Rare or Unrecorded Birds in Idaho" by Daniel Taylor and Charles Trost. The description of the Lesser Goldfinch is as follows: "This goldfinch is causal in Oregon, Wyoming, and British Columbia. It has been reported without detail to occur at Minidoka NWR as a rare spring and fall visitor. One was at the Portneuf Gap near Pocatello on 21 May 1976. Four were at Caldwell, Canyon Co. on 12-15 April 1980 and a pair (same birds?) were at nearby Nampa a month later. One was in Shoshone Basin, Lincoln Co. on 19 May 1982. They have been observed in Twin Falls Co. at T. 12S, R. 17E, Sec. 21 on 16 June 1979 and at Mullen Creek on 24 August 1979." So, 35 years ago, more or less, Lesser Goldfinches were so uncommon in Idaho that individual records were still being recognized. And, today, as I type this one is in the tree outside my window and more are coming into my thistle feeders than the sum total of the records mentioned in the 1986 publication. Pretty interesting.

Scott Tuthill


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

Dondi Black
 

It is a great hidden oasis in the spring, not so sure about August.  Popular stop for mountain bikers, hikers, families.

Dondi Black
Boise, Idaho

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 9:33 AM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Marvelous, Diann. Did you observe any critters when you visited the pond?

On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:59 AM Diann Stone <dstoneak2id@...> wrote:
Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Re: Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

Richard and Ann Rusnak
 

In Nampa yesterday I had 2-3 lesser GF, in my native wildflowers, this being a first non winter backyard observation.
Rich Rusnak


On Aug 8, 2020, at 8:05 AM, Scott Tuthill <satuthill@...> wrote:

I meant to add some thoughts to the messages a week ago, but I had to find the document with the notes I wanted to pass on. First, I would say that Lesser Goldfinches have, over the last 20 years, undergone the largest range and population expansion of any bird in, at least, the Boise/Treasure Valley area. It also has a very special place on my life list as, I believe, the only bird where I saw my "lifer" in my yard. I remember looking out one day and saw a small group feeding in lavender plants in our front yard.

As far as the notes I wanted to pass on - I have a copy of a 1986 publication "The Status of Historically Rare or Unrecorded Birds in Idaho" by Daniel Taylor and Charles Trost. The description of the Lesser Goldfinch is as follows: "This goldfinch is causal in Oregon, Wyoming, and British Columbia. It has been reported without detail to occur at Minidoka NWR as a rare spring and fall visitor. One was at the Portneuf Gap near Pocatello on 21 May 1976. Four were at Caldwell, Canyon Co. on 12-15 April 1980 and a pair (same birds?) were at nearby Nampa a month later. One was in Shoshone Basin, Lincoln Co. on 19 May 1982. They have been observed in Twin Falls Co. at T. 12S, R. 17E, Sec. 21 on 16 June 1979 and at Mullen Creek on 24 August 1979." So, 35 years ago, more or less, Lesser Goldfinches were so uncommon in Idaho that individual records were still being recognized. And, today, as I type this one is in the tree outside my window and more are coming into my thistle feeders than the sum total of the records mentioned in the 1986 publication. Pretty interesting.

Scott Tuthill


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

Kevin Merrell
 

Marvelous, Diann. Did you observe any critters when you visited the pond?


On Sat, Aug 8, 2020 at 8:59 AM Diann Stone <dstoneak2id@...> wrote:
Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Re: Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

Diann Stone
 

Yes, friends and I have hiked there. And there is a pond.


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 10:39 PM Kevin Merrell <historysaver@...> wrote:
Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Lesser Goldfinches -- Again

Scott Tuthill
 

I meant to add some thoughts to the messages a week ago, but I had to find the document with the notes I wanted to pass on. First, I would say that Lesser Goldfinches have, over the last 20 years, undergone the largest range and population expansion of any bird in, at least, the Boise/Treasure Valley area. It also has a very special place on my life list as, I believe, the only bird where I saw my "lifer" in my yard. I remember looking out one day and saw a small group feeding in lavender plants in our front yard.

As far as the notes I wanted to pass on - I have a copy of a 1986 publication "The Status of Historically Rare or Unrecorded Birds in Idaho" by Daniel Taylor and Charles Trost. The description of the Lesser Goldfinch is as follows: "This goldfinch is causal in Oregon, Wyoming, and British Columbia. It has been reported without detail to occur at Minidoka NWR as a rare spring and fall visitor. One was at the Portneuf Gap near Pocatello on 21 May 1976. Four were at Caldwell, Canyon Co. on 12-15 April 1980 and a pair (same birds?) were at nearby Nampa a month later. One was in Shoshone Basin, Lincoln Co. on 19 May 1982. They have been observed in Twin Falls Co. at T. 12S, R. 17E, Sec. 21 on 16 June 1979 and at Mullen Creek on 24 August 1979." So, 35 years ago, more or less, Lesser Goldfinches were so uncommon in Idaho that individual records were still being recognized. And, today, as I type this one is in the tree outside my window and more are coming into my thistle feeders than the sum total of the records mentioned in the 1986 publication. Pretty interesting.

Scott Tuthill


Frog pond on the Chukar Butte Trail

Kevin Merrell
 

Anyone ever been to the frog pond in the middle of the Chukar Butte Trail? Even a report of there being a frog pond in the sere, volcanic hills east of Hidden Springs is intriguing. I'm of a mind to go see for myself!

Kevin


Dry lake area

Robert Kiernan
 

Went there 7:p.m.the most interesting find was ibis not 20 not 40 nor 60 80 100 but 112 I counted each one the solitary on long pond rim rd.n of  big foot the peep was on pond s.of big foot interesting evening .has any one seen a large flock  of ibis our area near that large


Re: Doppler radar

lcarrigan_55
 

Personally, I've found that Doppler Radar isn't as useful in our region during the spring months. Spring migration seems more sporadic compared to fall migration, when birds tend to stage in larger groups. However, watching coastal Dopplers of TX, SE US & FL radars, you can see both spring mass arrivals & fall exodus. 

My best Doppler Radar findings for birds have been fall mass gatherings of mixed swallow species, mainly Rough-winged, Cliff & Bank by the thousands, gathering on power lines. The mass winter Bohemian Waxwing irruption, I described, & summer evening little brown bats flying over the Snake River. Given our spring storms, I don't seem to find as many "biologics" on radar in our region as I do summer & fall.

Brian Carrigan
Blackfoot


Re: Doppler radar

Robert Kiernan
 

Thanks Brian that helps .have you used spring &fall


On Fri, Aug 7, 2020, 6:59 AM lcarrigan_55 via groups.io <lcarrigan_55=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Great question, Robert. Short answer is, yes. But, in our region, west of Continental Divide, it can be very hit or miss. Unlike, coastal areas of TX or Eastern Flyway, where radar can pick up literally millions of migrating bird congregations, the Rocky Mt Flyway is more sporadic. 

One of my hobbies is as a NWS weather spotter for my area. And, I've been able to locate sev large groups of birds via the Doppler Radar dome out of Springfield. Once, on a very clear winter AM, checked radar & it showed a large radar "cloud" down the road from me along the Snake River. I drove to the location & found literally thousands of Bohemian Waxwings picking through Russian Olive berries. 

So, you can use Doppler Radar to sometimes locate migrating birds & even, clusters of bats & river insect hatches. It's enjoyable to bring up the NWS site for an area & watch the Doppler Radar map in real time. I try to "ground truth" "biologics" if the radar signal doesn't match the actual weather, when I can. Hope this helps. 

Brian Carrigan
Blackfoot


Re: Doppler radar

lcarrigan_55
 

Great question, Robert. Short answer is, yes. But, in our region, west of Continental Divide, it can be very hit or miss. Unlike, coastal areas of TX or Eastern Flyway, where radar can pick up literally millions of migrating bird congregations, the Rocky Mt Flyway is more sporadic. 

One of my hobbies is as a NWS weather spotter for my area. And, I've been able to locate sev large groups of birds via the Doppler Radar dome out of Springfield. Once, on a very clear winter AM, checked radar & it showed a large radar "cloud" down the road from me along the Snake River. I drove to the location & found literally thousands of Bohemian Waxwings picking through Russian Olive berries. 

So, you can use Doppler Radar to sometimes locate migrating birds & even, clusters of bats & river insect hatches. It's enjoyable to bring up the NWS site for an area & watch the Doppler Radar map in real time. I try to "ground truth" "biologics" if the radar signal doesn't match the actual weather, when I can. Hope this helps. 

Brian Carrigan
Blackfoot


Doppler radar

Robert Kiernan
 

Does radar work in are area for tracking bird movement during migration at night 

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