As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!) what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!) what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@... <mailto:Manuals%40ArtekManuals.com>
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

Dave,

Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side effects
on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.

Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
problem you have run into).

The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.

DaveD

On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!) what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@... <mailto:Manuals%40ArtekManuals.com>
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

Dave,

Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side effects
on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.

Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
problem you have run into).

The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.

DaveD

On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!) what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@... <mailto:Manuals%40ArtekManuals.com>
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I fear that heat might have the opposite effect, that it will fuse the
image more solidly.

Bob


--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Tom Miller <tmiller11147@...> wrote:

From: Tom Miller <tmiller11147@...>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 3:27 PM

Maybe try a steam iron?

Tom

� ----- Original Message -----
� From: Artekmedia
� To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
� Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:15 PM
� Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability


� �
� The problem at the moment is the more pressing one that I can not get
� the pages apart without damage to the underlying schematics If I cant
� get em apart I can't scan them :-(

� Dave

� On 2/26/2013 5:08 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:
� >
� > Dave,
� >
� > Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
� > on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
� > sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side
effects
� > on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.
� >
� > Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
� > archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
� > problem you have run into).
� >
� > The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
� > anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.
� >
� > DaveD
� >
� > On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:
� > >
� > > As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
� > > know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
� > > packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
� > > their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am
in
� > > the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the
pages
� > >
� > > Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process
at
� > > the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small
residue
� > > and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
� > > some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
� > > dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now
occurring
� > > after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best
storage
� > > environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink
that
� > > they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
� > > damage to the ink and facing pages.
� > >
� > > So a couple of challenges here
� > > 1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them
in an
� > > oven for a while? how hot? How long?
� > >
� > > 2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!)
what
� > > would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax
paper
� > > between facing pages?
� > >
� > > This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP
manuals
� > > of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
� > > Tektronix manuals)
� > >
� > > Dave ArtekManuals.com
� > >
� > > --
� > > Dave Henderson
� > > Manuals@...
� > > www.Artekmanuals.com
� > > PO Box 175
� > > Welch,MN 55089
� > > 651-269-4265
� > >
� > >
� >
� >
� >
� >

� --
� Dave Henderson
� Manuals@...
� www.Artekmanuals.com
� PO Box 175
� Welch,MN 55089
� 651-269-4265

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Dave,

I've seen the same effect a few times with other Xerox/laser printed stuff.

FWIW, my guess is the fuser temperature was too low in the output device
and the Toner was not properly fused to the paper

As to storage, I'd consider either:

Putting each sheet into archival, polyethylene photo storage envelopes.
The used to be a company called Printfile that made such things, but it's
been ages. I would NOT use vinyl. A cheap alternative might be 9x12 1 mil
Ziplock style bags. I bought some for under $0.10 each. I use them a lot
for keeping document pages together.

Put a sheet of glassene between the pages. I'm not positive this will
work, but IMO it should.

FWIW,

-John

===============

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!) what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

------------------------------------

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I think you will find problems also with polythene storage envelopes, the
slight advantage being they dont "stick" ....but I have a number of old
manuals, and xeroxed copies, that were treated like this to preserve then
in
regular use.....and the ink/toner has transfered to the inside of the
polythene wallet.. I dont know whether this is a plasticiser or
electrostatic effect, but is is widespead across many manuals of different
ages, so not a particular copier setting......Also the cover print "ink"
is
transfered to the white inside cover of the spring ring binders. So even
impregnated paper may make it worse though tissue or waxed paper might
help......trouble is wait 25 years to find that is no good either :-((.

Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Forster" <jfor@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability

Dave,

I've seen the same effect a few times with other Xerox/laser printed
stuff.

FWIW, my guess is the fuser temperature was too low in the output device
and the Toner was not properly fused to the paper

As to storage, I'd consider either:

Putting each sheet into archival, polyethylene photo storage envelopes.
The used to be a company called Printfile that made such things, but
it's
been ages. I would NOT use vinyl. A cheap alternative might be 9x12 1
mil
Ziplock style bags. I bought some for under $0.10 each. I use them a lot
for keeping document pages together.

Put a sheet of glassene between the pages. I'm not positive this will
work, but IMO it should.

FWIW,

-John

===============

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the
pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink
that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in
an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!)
what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP
manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

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Mmmm a bit painful Dave but you could try "ironing" a page though a sheet
of
paper to see if it releases the page below.....Maybe a job for the XYL, as
I
am told "men dont iron" (it is not true but in general we are not very
good
at it :-)) ) It is very difficult to find (smoothing) irons here that
have
flat plates and are not steam fed .....but the make nice cheap hot-plates
if
you can get one at a garage sale!

Is the toner powder coated with a a thin coat of thermo-adhesive ?

Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Artekmedia" <manuals@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability

The problem at the moment is the more pressing one that I can not get
the pages apart without damage to the underlying schematics If I cant
get em apart I can't scan them :-(

Dave

On 2/26/2013 5:08 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:

Dave,

Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side
effects
on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.

Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
problem you have run into).

The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.

DaveD

On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am

in

the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the
pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process

at

the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small

residue

and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now

occurring

after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best

storage

environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink

that

they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in
an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!)

what

would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP

manuals

of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@... <mailto:Manuals%40ArtekManuals.com>
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265







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The problem at the moment is the more pressing one that I can not get
the pages apart without damage to the underlying schematics If I cant
get em apart I can't scan them :-(

Dave

On 2/26/2013 5:08 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:

Dave,

Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side effects
on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.

Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
problem you have run into).

The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.

DaveD

On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am in
the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process at
the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small residue
and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now occurring
after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best storage
environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink that
they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!) what
would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP manuals
of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@... <mailto:Manuals%40ArtekManuals.com>
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265

--
Dave Henderson
Manuals@...
www.Artekmanuals.com
PO Box 175
Welch,MN 55089
651-269-4265






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On 02/26/2013 06:54 PM, Alan Melia wrote:

I think you will find problems also with polythene storage envelopes,
the
slight advantage being they dont "stick" ....but I have a number of old
manuals, and xeroxed copies, that were treated like this to preserve
then in
regular use.....and the ink/toner has transfered to the inside of the
polythene wallet.. I dont know whether this is a plasticiser or
electrostatic effect, but is is widespead across many manuals of
different
ages, so not a particular copier setting......Also the cover print
"ink" is
transfered to the white inside cover of the spring ring binders. So even
impregnated paper may make it worse though tissue or waxed paper might
help......trouble is wait 25 years to find that is no good either :-((.

Alan
G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Forster" jfor@... <mailto:jfor%40quikus.com>>
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
<mailto:hp_agilent_equipment%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability

Dave,

I've seen the same effect a few times with other Xerox/laser printed
stuff.

FWIW, my guess is the fuser temperature was too low in the output

device

and the Toner was not properly fused to the paper

1. I'd bet on waxed paper between the sheets. Even Gorilla glue doesn't
stick to that.

2. I doubt that the fuser temperature is too low--I've seen the same
toner transfer
to the white loose-leaf binder from pages printed on a pro-quality
LaserJet. I think
it's just the nature of the beast.

--doug

Dave,

Absolutely, do not use a steam iron!! It will make things worse-- a LOT
worse.

Easy to prove... put any xerox'd page in contact with a new sheet of
paper and iron it.

This cannot be a new problem. If you can wait a few days, I will ask an
archivist at a university library what works and what does not. Drop me a
note off-list if you are interested.

Best,

-John

=======================

I fear that heat might have the opposite effect, that it will fuse the
image more solidly.

Bob


--- On Tue, 2/26/13, Tom Miller <tmiller11147@...> wrote:

From: Tom Miller <tmiller11147@...>
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability
To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
Date: Tuesday, February 26, 2013, 3:27 PM

Maybe try a steam iron?

Tom

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Artekmedia
  To: hp_agilent_equipment@...
  Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability


   
  The problem at the moment is the more pressing one that I can not get
  the pages apart without damage to the underlying schematics If I cant
  get em apart I can't scan them :-(

  Dave

  On 2/26/2013 5:08 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:
  >
  > Dave,
  >
  > Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
  > on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
  > sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side
effects
  > on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.
  >
  > Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
  > archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
  > problem you have run into).
  >
  > The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
  > anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.
  >
  > DaveD
  >
  > On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:
  > >
  > > As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
  > > know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
  > > packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
  > > their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am
in
  > > the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the
pages
  > >
  > > Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process
at
  > > the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small
residue
  > > and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
  > > some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
  > > dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now
occurring
  > > after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best
storage
  > > environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink
that
  > > they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
  > > damage to the ink and facing pages.
  > >
  > > So a couple of challenges here
  > > 1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them
in an
  > > oven for a while? how hot? How long?
  > >
  > > 2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!)
what
  > > would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax
paper
  > > between facing pages?
  > >
  > > This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP
manuals
  > > of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
  > > Tektronix manuals)
  > >
  > > Dave ArtekManuals.com
  > >
  > > --
  > > Dave Henderson
  > > Manuals@...
  > > www.Artekmanuals.com
  > > PO Box 175
  > > Welch,MN 55089
  > > 651-269-4265
  > >
  > >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >

  --
  Dave Henderson
  Manuals@...
  www.Artekmanuals.com
  PO Box 175
  Welch,MN 55089
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As I've already posted, ironing will make it worse.

-John

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Mmmm a bit painful Dave but you could try "ironing" a page though a sheet
of
paper to see if it releases the page below.....Maybe a job for the XYL, as
I
am told "men dont iron" (it is not true but in general we are not very
good
at it :-)) ) It is very difficult to find (smoothing) irons here that
have
flat plates and are not steam fed .....but the make nice cheap hot-plates
if
you can get one at a garage sale!

Is the toner powder coated with a a thin coat of thermo-adhesive ?

Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Artekmedia" <manuals@...>
To: <hp_agilent_equipment@...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [hp_agilent_equipment] A new threat to the HP manual
availability

The problem at the moment is the more pressing one that I can not get
the pages apart without damage to the underlying schematics If I cant
get em apart I can't scan them :-(

Dave

On 2/26/2013 5:08 PM, Dave Daniel wrote:

Dave,

Wax paper might work. I was wondering what the long-term effects of it
on the pages might be, but then I remembered that people have been
sticking flowers in books using wax paper for ages, with no side
effects
on the paper in the books that I have ever heard of.

Having said that, you might check Gaylord.com; they make library
archival supplies. I've used them for years (although not to solve the
problem you have run into).

The best long-term solution is probably exactly what you are doing
anyway, which is to digitize the manuals.

DaveD

On 2/26/2013 3:49 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

As many of you who collect high end Agilent gear from the early 90's
know CLIP's ( Component Level Information Packages ---schematic
packages) are much coveted and worth their weight in gold because of
their scarcity. I recently came by a CLIP for the 70300A which I am

in

the process of scanning when I ran into a problem with some of the
pages

Many of you have seen that the ink used during the printing process

at

the time tends to "bleed" onto the facing page leaving a small

residue

and sometimes ghost image of the facing page. The ink I suspect was
some kind of heat set laser drum printer process which made for very
dark crisp lines when the manual was new . The problem is now

occurring

after laying face to face for 25 years in sometime not the best

storage

environment that the pages have become so bonded by the facing ink

that

they can not be peeled apart, or at least not peeled apart without
damage to the ink and facing pages.

So a couple of challenges here
1) What would be the best way to peel these pages apart? Heat them in
an
oven for a while? how hot? How long?

2) Assuming I have a usable CLIP manual now ( and many of you do!)

what

would be the best we to minimize the problem going forward? Wax paper
between facing pages?

This problem seems to be most prevalent for the most part to HP

manuals

of the era ( though I have seen it to a lesser degree on a very few
Tektronix manuals)

Dave ArtekManuals.com

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When I read the "steam iron" suggestion, I was visualizing not ironing the pages, but steaming them. If you saturate the pages with moisture while pulling them apart, maybe you could encourage the "receiving" page to soften and release a few fibers of the paper rather than from the "master" page.

Of course, the steaming should be done from behind the receiving page which would -- we hope -- encourage that page to release the stuck toner from its surface rather than from the master page.

But if you've got 3 pages stuck together... dunno.

No solution will be perfect.

Dave

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