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Key RGS #42

Jonathan Zook
 

Hi all,

First, let me say that I'm really excited to see the group move away from Yahoo and over here to Groups.io.

Now, to my question; I've been trying to obtain the Key RGS #42 for the past several years.  I actually did purchase a unit from BrassTrains.com a little over a year ago, only to discover someone in their organization dropped the model as it was being prepared to ship to me and it was damaged beyond repair.  I understand there are two versions of this locomotive that Key produced, and I would like to know if anyone here in the group has experience with either or both productions.  Any insight and recommendations you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, and have a great day!

Jon

Jeff Young
 

Wayne Weiss (LocoDoc) knows them.  I’m pretty sure he’s part of this group, but in case he’s not you can read some of his thoughts here:


Cheers,
Jeff.

Jim Spencer
 

Jonathan, I once owned one of the Key RGS 42s.  I am only aware of one Key run of that loco.  

It had a lot of problems, so I got rid of it.  The main problem was the motor location inside the front of the boiler and anchored to the boiler instead of the frame.  The result was a near impossibility of aligning the frame to boiler connection to get the worm to properly mesh with the gear.  It never ran smoothly.  Another problem is it didn’t have sprung drivers.  The motor was a Nimiki which is a coreless type, but which was maybe underpowered.

Later runs of Key HOn3 locos did have sprung drivers and had their motors mounted more conventionally on a pivot plate on the frame.  The ones I have are all better runners than those with unsprung drivers.
Jim

On Feb 1, 2018, at 10:16 AM, Jonathan Zook <jzook1973@...> wrote:

Hi all,

First, let me say that I'm really excited to see the group move away from Yahoo and over here to Groups.io.

Now, to my question; I've been trying to obtain the Key RGS #42 for the past several years.  I actually did purchase a unit from BrassTrains.com a little over a year ago, only to discover someone in their organization dropped the model as it was being prepared to ship to me and it was damaged beyond repair  I understand there are two versions of this locomotive that Key produced, and I would like to know if anyone here in the group has experience with either or both productions.  Any insight and recommendations you can provide is greatly appreciated.

Thanks, and have a great day!

Jon

James G. Spencer, Architect, AIA 





Mick Moignard
 

I have one of these which I modified to 1951 condition. I'd note that I think it has the ex-317 tender with it, too. Which means that the loco details don't exactly match the tender!  Mine runs OK (Ok, not great) with the original motor, and now has sound with a TSU-750 in the tender, and a headlight, and extra pickups on the right side of the rear tender truck.   No backup light on the tender.  The biggest issue I have with it was a short in one one of the insulated drivers which I was able to fix, and now the drivers are so worn that the plating is nearly all gone, so the wheels get dirty quickly.  I have a plating kit to redo them, but I've not gotten round to it yet.

Not the greatest Hon3 brass loco made, but decently competent - at least, mine is, but it will need some careful fiddling. And never rely on the drawbar to carry power from tender to loco.  That's the biggest cause of poor running - always use a wire across between the two units.

Mick
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Jonathan Zook
 

Thanks all for the information about the Key RGS #42.  I actually did talk with Wayne about this some time back, and I seem to recall he mentioned Key's second release of the locomotive did have sprung drivers, and that was the one to obtain.  I see the two releases noted on BrassTrains.com.  

With the backup light on the tender:
https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/32433/HOn3-Steam-Key-Model-Imports-Rio-Grande-Southern-2-8-0-C-17

Without the backup light on the tender:
https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/32434/HOn3-Steam-Key-Model-Imports-Rio-Grande-Southern-2-8-0-C-17

I can't tell for sure if either model has sprung drivers from the photos provided in the links above. I'm not too concerned about the running condition of the locomotive, as I have good experience repairing brass locos and getting them running decently.  I've started putting TCS Keep Alives into my brass fleet, and have had good experience improving their running qualities.

Please keep the comments coming.  I greatly appreciate all the advice.

Take care,

Jon

Jonathan Zook
 

Hi guys,

I went back to look at the BrassTrains.com photos of both Key RGS #42's and quickly realized the second item listed as the #42 has photos of the Key RGS #41.  I should have recognized this sooner, and I apologize for the confusion.  I'll try to reach out to Brass Trains and let them know they've got photos of the wrong locomotive posted.

Take care,

Jon

Lawrence Wisniewski
 
Edited

The example of a "second run" C-17 you site is actually Key's RGS 41, a C-19.  Even guys like Wayne make mistakes.  I recall no second run of the C-17, which was largely not thought well of when it was introduced around 1976 or 77. (I,'m almost 70). Later imports from Key did show up as runs extended by factory paint, as in the C-19 or extensive mechanical and cosmetic revisions, as in the C-18.  As far as Brass Trains expertise these days goes,  there have been several misidentified and/or mislabeled HOn3 locomotives on the list in the last couple of years.  I imagine that they lost their resident narrow gauge expert, because up until recently, they did an excellent job with accurate descriptions of rare locos.  Recent examples include a misidentified Balboa C&S 74 as a Westside product and a Key C-19 as a C&S engine.  Both seem to have come in in the wrong boxes, so that is how Brass Trains listed them.  I doubt that anyone there now knows the differences between the various C class locos.  By the way, the C-17's were very poorly assembled with many cold joints; perhaps Wayne thinks there were two runs because one came in with a absent tender light that another one had.  Not the best engine ever imported.  It has taken me over 40 years of poking around on the used brass market to find one worth buying.  Most of them were plagued with problems due to Samsamoga's (sp)  inexperience with small builds in those days.  Poor assembly, poor parts, and a very problematic mechanism design that only Westside was able to pull of with any real success.    Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Zook <jzook1973@...>


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Subject: Re: [HOn3] Key RGS #42

Thanks all for the information about the Key RGS #42.  I actually did talk with Wayne about this some time back, and I seem to recall he mentioned Key's second release of the locomotive did have sprung drivers, and that was the one to obtain.  I see the two releases noted on BrassTrains.com.  

With the backup light on the tender:
https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/32433/HOn3-Steam-Key-Model-Imports-Rio-Grande-Southern-2-8-0-C-17

Without the backup light on the tender:
https://www.brasstrains.com/BrassGuide/PDG/Detail/32434/HOn3-Steam-Key-Model-Imports-Rio-Grande-Southern-2-8-0-C-17

I can't tell for sure if either model has sprung drivers from the photos provided in the links above. I'm not too concerned about the running condition of the locomotive, as I have good experience repairing brass locos and getting them running decently.  I've started putting TCS Keep Alives into my brass fleet, and have had good experience improving their running qualities.

Please keep the comments coming.  I greatly appreciate all the advice.

Take care,

Jon