Underbody detailing


Martin Fischer
 

Group,

currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail set.
This leads to my question:

If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.

Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.

Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.

So do you think this is worth it?
Do you detail all cars to the same level?
Do you detail them at all?

Just curious.

Regards
Martin


Mike Van Hove
 

Group:
I’m 80 years old, and , I like my models to look good, and operate well. Frankly at my age, I don’t think it’s worth the time and trouble to model the underside, which no one but me will ever see. I do put the big brake cylinder on, as that can sort of be seen from the side, but otherwise, I think it’s a waste of time.

Just my 2 cents worth. (with inflation, that should read 3 cents worth, I guess) 🙄

Mike Van Hove

On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Martin Fischer <Martinfischer8@t-online.de> wrote:

Group,

currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail set.
This leads to my question:

If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.

Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.

Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.

So do you think this is worth it?
Do you detail all cars to the same level?
Do you detail them at all?

Just curious.

Regards
Martin





Russ Norris
 

I go with Mike.  I'm 76, and my peepers aren't what they used to be (along with a lot of the rest of me).
If I were to enter a model in a division or regional competition, or if I were going for the car building AP
I would undoubtedly make the effort.  But I'm at the point where my railroading is for my own pleasure.
I mount tension bars, queen posts and the brake cylinder (and maybe the triple valve) but I just don't see
the point of wiring in all the piping.  In my imagnation, I know it's there.

Russ Norris

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 4:13 PM Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@...> wrote:
Group:
I’m 80 years old, and , I like my models to look good, and operate well.  Frankly at my age, I don’t think it’s worth the time and trouble to model the underside, which no one but me will ever see.  I do put the big brake cylinder on, as that can sort of be seen from the side, but otherwise, I think it’s a waste of time.

Just my 2 cents worth.  (with inflation, that should read 3 cents worth, I guess) 🙄

Mike Van Hove

> On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Martin Fischer <Martinfischer8@...> wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail  set.
> This leads to my question:
>
> If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.
>
> Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.
>
> Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.
>
> So do you think this is worth it?
> Do you detail all cars to the same level?
> Do you detail them at all?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Regards
> Martin
>
>
>
>
>





Climax@...
 

I am with Mike. At 71, I still like building wood cars, detest plastic. So my early stuff use to have brake rods, levers, triple value, air cylinder and all that stuff. Nice to model but not necessary. My cars all opearte well, and I have over 350 wood cars that unless you use the out of scale grappling hook and pick them up you cannot tell which one have a full under body or those that don't. With all due respect to John Allen, his attitude was if you can't see it why waste your time building it. Contest models are a different story.
db MMR200

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Van Hove <vanhovem22@gmail.com>
Sent: Jun 18, 2018 4:13 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] Underbody detailing

Group:
I’m 80 years old, and , I like my models to look good, and operate well. Frankly at my age, I don’t think it’s worth the time and trouble to model the underside, which no one but me will ever see. I do put the big brake cylinder on, as that can sort of be seen from the side, but otherwise, I think it’s a waste of time.

Just my 2 cents worth. (with inflation, that should read 3 cents worth, I guess) 🙄

Mike Van Hove

On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Martin Fischer <Martinfischer8@t-online.de> wrote:

Group,

currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail set.
This leads to my question:

If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.

Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.

Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.

So do you think this is worth it?
Do you detail all cars to the same level?
Do you detail them at all?

Just curious.

Regards
Martin







Lee Gustafson
 

FWIW, Grandt and Precision Scale kits made excellent detail available in kit form. They provided the parts and did the engineering. Yes, the decision depends on the number of cars needed as well as the decision are these cars "contest cars" or "layout cars". Another question who will handle the cars, only you or other "operators" ? It also depends on in your heart and mind what makes you happy. That may not answer your question.

Lee Gustafson


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Fischer <Martinfischer8@...>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2018 3:05 pm
Subject: [HOn3] Underbody detailing

Group,

currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail set.
This leads to my question:

If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.

Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.

Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.

So do you think this is worth it?
Do you detail all cars to the same level?
Do you detail them at all?

Just curious.

Regards
Martin






Jim Marlett
 

Being the lazy bum I am, when I have scratch built cars, I do as little as I think I can get away with. It really depends on why you are modeling. Is it to get more cars so you can operate or is it to display them as realistically as possible. It also depends on how much effort you want to put into it. If you are comfortable with a lower level of detail under a car (like me) then don’t beat yourself up about it.

Jim Marlett
http://flatheaddrag.com/
http://jimmarlett.zenfolio.com/

On Jun 18, 2018, at 3:00 PM, Martin Fischer <Martinfischer8@t-online.de> wrote:

Group,

currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail set.
This leads to my question:

If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.

Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.

Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.

So do you think this is worth it?
Do you detail all cars to the same level?
Do you detail them at all?

Just curious.

Regards
Martin





jmcqiv@...
 

Martin

As a couple of other members of the group have stated if you can't see it why bother unless it for competition or display.
When I had cars judged for my NMRA Master Builders Cars Certificate the first thing that the judges did was to turn them upside down to look for the full underbody detail.
I have those cars on by layout and they run well but most cars only have what can bee seen.

Remember rule number 1, it's your railroad!

Jim McQueeny MMR477



From: Martin Fischer <Martinfischer8@...>
To: HOn3@groups.io
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2018 3:05 PM
Subject: [HOn3] Underbody detailing

Group,

currently I‘m kitbashing three gondolas. Part of the project is adding a more detailed brake system using the Grandt Line detail  set.
This leads to my question:

If you look at car kits by eg. Grandt or Precision Scale a lot of time is required to detail the underbody. Once you put the finished car on track this is barely visible.

Probably the decision depends on the number of cars needed. Also competition models are a different thing.

Looking at published photos doesn’t give any clue. Probably everybody showcases the best models on that occasion.

So do you think this is worth it?
Do you detail all cars to the same level?
Do you detail them at all?

Just curious.

Regards
Martin







Mick Moignard
 

I'm afraid I do it all, always have done, and still do when I build cars.  The only ones on my railroad that don't have full or largely full undeframe detail are two Blackstone reefers. Personally I think it completes the models, and secondly, there is part if my layout where the trains are see in silhouette against a window, and the brake gear does stand out.  But then I also do it because I like doing it...  

Mick
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Dusty
 

My concern with gons and flats is weight. Clear creek / Durango Press cars w/sandwich weight, no problem. Scratch built flats and gons start with a .020 deck.Then they get side sills and end beams. Bolsters and couplers to get proper height. Next brass 3/4 x .090 or .065 between the bolsters. Brake cylinders on top of strips of Evergreen representing center and intermediate sills on top of brass of an appropriate height. Brake levers if space allows but not manditory.

Dusty Burman 


ckodani@...
 

Hi Martin! I’m new to the group, and actually model in HOn30 (which I still think should be HOn2.5). I love scratch building and kitbashing, but admit that I usually omit underbody details that won’t show on the layout. Normally that just means a big brake reservoir, and maybe a center sill or truss rods. Underbody is the ONLY place I use undiluted flat black paint—it does a great job of hiding the lack of detailing!!! Still, I really dig it when I go to competitions and folks trick out their underbodies! To each his own!

Chris Kodani