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Re: Looking for a Switcher

James Kendig
 

Of course you would need to supply the locomotive to Steve.  May not have made this clear.

Jim

Jim Kendig 931-607-1693


On Thu, May 23, 2019, 12:55 PM James Kendig via Groups.Io <jjkendig=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Mike,

What would you like to know?  As stated I am not adept at modifying the gauge of locos.  I would suggest that you contact Steve who has done  all of mine. He is also on Ebay "Jeepcaptain" where he sells older style HO switchers that he has  re-gauged.

The Atlas HH660, is a very nice loco and is probably the smallest HO Switcher available for somewhat simple conversion given the mechanics of the Kato style power trucks. Runs well HoN3 code 70 and 55.  Clearances can be a problem as the profile of this loco is a little larger.

Steve's work is excellent and turns things around quickly.  Surprisingly inexpensive when he did serveral conversions for me a few years ago.

Jim Kendig 931-607-1693

On Thu, May 23, 2019, 11:54 AM Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...> wrote:
Jim, I'd be very interested in that info. 

Mike Conder

Re: Looking for a Switcher

LenTRaley
 

Jim:

I have an HH660 and would be interested in your information on regauging.

Len Raley
lentraley at yahoo dot com

News on RGS 20

Mike Conder
 

Re: News on RGS 20

rick@...
 

Way cool!

Rick

Re: News on RGS 20

Doug Boudakian
 

Ken
Replace a little and get 3 years out of it. Then replace the boiler. I agree for a long term solution a new boiler is best. I do not believe that any D&S engine has had the boiler replaced.
Doug

On May 24, 2019, at 1:53 PM, rick@... wrote:

Way cool!

Rick


Re: K-36 and K-37

Dusty
 

For your final exam check Ebay for 'k37 hon3'. Is one really a k36 with a k27 tender?

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Brian Kopp
 

All right sensei, the one tender that has the wrong steps, has a much lower rear deck and is missing a doghouse just doesn't look like the other two on ebay (or the pictures on google for 491). 
Not a k-37 tender?
Brian (novice grasshopper)

Re: K-36 and K-37

Lee Gustafson
 

buyer beware!


-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37

For your final exam check Ebay for 'k37 hon3'. Is one really a k36 with a k27 tender?

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Earl Knoob
 

No, a K37 with a K27 tender!


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 5:57 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37
 
For your final exam check Ebay for 'k37 hon3'. Is one really a k36 with a k27 tender?

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Dale Buxton
 

It gets worse. The loco is actually a PFM K-37 from the early 60's and the tender  is a a Westside  K-27's from a modern slide or piston valve model from the late 70's. All in a Westside K-37 box. On average, the asking price is about $400 over what the model is worth to a knowledgeable buyer. If it in fact had all the correct pieces for a PFM K-37. This has to be an estate model that got all the components switched around when it was last sold. We are seeing more and more of that these days. Modelers passing away and widow's not knowing thing one about their late husband's collection. In come the estate reapers that know just about as much as the widow. This seller has some of the most over priced second hand models I've seen this year. I wish him luck.

Dale Buxton

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 6:20 PM Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
buyer beware!


-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37

For your final exam check Ebay for 'k37 hon3'. Is one really a k36 with a k27 tender?

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Brian Kopp
 

Dale,
I am curious what tells you it is a PFM vs a WMC?

Brian (novice collector)

On Fri, May 24, 2019, 10:14 PM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
It gets worse. The loco is actually a PFM K-37 from the early 60's and the tender  is a a Westside  K-27's from a modern slide or piston valve model from the late 70's. All in a Westside K-37 box. On average, the asking price is about $400 over what the model is worth to a knowledgeable buyer. If it in fact had all the correct pieces for a PFM K-37. This has to be an estate model that got all the components switched around when it was last sold. We are seeing more and more of that these days. Modelers passing away and widow's not knowing thing one about their late husband's collection. In come the estate reapers that know just about as much as the widow. This seller has some of the most over priced second hand models I've seen this year. I wish him luck.

Dale Buxton

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 6:20 PM Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
buyer beware!


-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37

For your final exam check Ebay for 'k37 hon3'. Is one really a k36 with a k27 tender?

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Dale Buxton
 

Most of the details on this loco are machined and not castings like a Westside version would have. Starting with the pilot. This model has a built up pilot beam and cage and the Westside has a one piece casting. This models sand and steam domes are under height like the PFM models were. The sand lines on this model are just brass wires going into the sand dome. The Westside sand lines connect to the sand dome through cored brass turnings. These are just a few of the tells that this is a PFM K-37.

Dale Buxton

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 8:30 PM Brian Kopp <kc5lpa1@...> wrote:
Dale,
I am curious what tells you it is a PFM vs a WMC?

Brian (novice collector)

On Fri, May 24, 2019, 10:14 PM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
It gets worse. The loco is actually a PFM K-37 from the early 60's and the tender  is a a Westside  K-27's from a modern slide or piston valve model from the late 70's. All in a Westside K-37 box. On average, the asking price is about $400 over what the model is worth to a knowledgeable buyer. If it in fact had all the correct pieces for a PFM K-37. This has to be an estate model that got all the components switched around when it was last sold. We are seeing more and more of that these days. Modelers passing away and widow's not knowing thing one about their late husband's collection. In come the estate reapers that know just about as much as the widow. This seller has some of the most over priced second hand models I've seen this year. I wish him luck.

Dale Buxton

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 6:20 PM Lee Gustafson via Groups.Io <bagustaf=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:
buyer beware!


-----Original Message-----
From: Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Fri, May 24, 2019 6:57 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37

For your final exam check Ebay for 'k37 hon3'. Is one really a k36 with a k27 tender?

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Dusty
 

My mistake on the engine. After further review the fabricated injector, open frame motor and unique rear frame makes it an early PFM K37. Some consider it 'rare'. Not $650 rare in my mind.

Wasn't this one of the first Hon3 rod engines imported from Japan.

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

tonyk537
 

Can't say I can agree with the "amazing"  weathering on some of the other offerings.  

Re: K-36 and K-37

Dale Buxton
 

I think that is correct

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 20:48 Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
My mistake on the engine. After further review the fabricated injector, open frame motor and unique rear frame makes it an early PFM K37. Some consider it 'rare'. Not $650 rare in my mind.

Wasn't this one of the first Hon3 rod engines imported from Japan.

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Earl Knoob
 

The Brown Book shows the PFM K-37 coming out in 1960.  PFM's first attempt at D&RGW HOn3 was the K-28.  the first run came out in 1954, continuing through 1956.  I bought one of these as a collector's item for real cheap back in 1980's.  I has a Lindsay motor in it.  Most detail parts are turnings.  Pretty crude but state of the art in 1956.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2019 9:02 PM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37
 
I think that is correct

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 20:48 Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
My mistake on the engine. After further review the fabricated injector, open frame motor and unique rear frame makes it an early PFM K37. Some consider it 'rare'. Not $650 rare in my mind.

Wasn't this one of the first Hon3 rod engines imported from Japan.

Dusty Burman

Re: K-36 and K-37

Dusty
 

As I recall some of those early hon3 engines had unplated solid brass drivers.

Dusty 

Re: K-36 and K-37

Dale Buxton
 

I've seen an early PFM K-28 and can confirm that the one I saw had solid, un-plated drivers, But even the early 70's PFM K-28 that I once owned had solid drivers. I remember that when the Westside "Coreless Powered" K-28's came out. One of the big advertising points was that they had spoked drivers.

Dale

On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:17 PM Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
As I recall some of those early hon3 engines had unplated solid brass drivers.

Dusty 

Re: C-25 width

roundbell@...
 

There is still a C-25 in existence. After Baldwin built the Crystal River engines They used the plans for Crystal River RR Co. #103 ( 10-30Eplan 7  Jan 1903 to build 5 more 3' engines. The last one was built in Dec. 1912 for the Quincy Mining Co. as # 6 and is on display at the Quincy Mine Hoist Museum ( a National Park Service operation ) at Quincy, Michigan on the Upper Peninsula. You can visit and measure it and they sell a book that has scale plans of all their engines and many other pieces of their equipment. All engines built to the same Baldwin plan are basically identical, in this case all the locos had the same dimensions but in this case #103 had wheel counterweights cast as part of the wheel centers where the later 5 had the counterweights outside the frames as part of the crankpin throws. It would be easy to double check all dimensions.  Wayne Weiss


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Conder <vulturenest1@...>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Mon, May 20, 2019 6:06 pm
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37

I know the 2-8-0's are pretty wide, but what about the C-21's and the C-25?  Were they also wider?

Sure wish they would have survived, not may outside-frame 20=-8-0's are around anymore.  Is the WPY loco that Stathi is rebuilding a 2-8-0?

Mike Conder

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:59 AM Earl Knoob <earlk489@...> wrote:
Most outside framed 3 foot gauge locomotives are actually wider than similar sized standard gauge ones -  by about a foot.  K27's are wider than a K36-37.


From: HOn3@groups.io <HOn3@groups.io> on behalf of Ray <rayhon3@...>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2019 11:39 AM
To: HOn3@groups.io
Subject: Re: [HOn3] K-36 and K-37
 
I guess I am stating the obvious, but you must use a standard gauge NMRA clearance gauge for K-37s.
Ray

Re: C-25 width

Robert Bell
 

Yes, the WP #61 is a 2-8-0.


Is the WPY loco that Stathi is rebuilding a 2-8-0?


Mike Conder