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Re: Shapeways Prep Question

Lee Gustafson
 

Dusty,

Have you tried a product called "Simple Green"? I believe it is recommended by Shapeways to remove the waxy substance prior to priming and painting.

Lee Gustafson


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From: Dusty <dustburm@q.com>
To: HOn3 <HOn3@groups.io>
Sent: Thu, Jan 10, 2019 3:46 pm
Subject: [HOn3] Shapeways Prep Question

My 'Gunnison' parlour car arrived. Looks pretty good so far. But until I remove the waxy stuff the siding is hard to evaluate.

I searched the internet for prepping Shapeways prints for painting and simultaneously reached a state of confusion and amusement. Conflicting opinions abound. Many suggestions for removing the wax. My concern with prepping is that there are numerous reports of flaking under the paint.

Anyone have some input or experience?

Dusty Burman 

Re: LED headlight

Don Bergman
 

Paul

The headlight on l my 455 goes out for days then back on for days, weeks then off. etc.  Probably a loose wire somewhere but just have too many other projects to worry about it right now.  One day I decided to take a look at it it was on and stayed on for months.  Right now its off.

Please share what Blackstone says if you call them.

Don Bergman


Front headlight on my Blackstone K-27 #463 has quit working.  I haven't a clue on how to fix/replace it.  Any helpful hints out there?
Thanks, Paul\
_._,_._,_

Re: LED headlight

Climax@...
 

The fireman is probably lazy and doesn't throw the cab switch when he should.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Bergman
Sent: Jan 10, 2019 9:42 PM
To: "HOn3@groups.io"
Subject: Re: [HOn3] LED headlight

Paul

The headlight on l my 455 goes out for days then back on for days, weeks then off. etc.  Probably a loose wire somewhere but just have too many other projects to worry about it right now.  One day I decided to take a look at it it was on and stayed on for months.  Right now its off.

Please share what Blackstone says if you call them.

Don Bergman


Front headlight on my Blackstone K-27 #463 has quit working.  I haven't a clue on how to fix/replace it.  Any helpful hints out there?
Thanks, Paul\

Re: Shapeways Prep Question

Dusty
 

Dale,
Several people reported crystal formation after using alchohol. The longer the soak or inadequate wash and rinse the worse the crystals.

Lee,
I went to Wally World this afternoon and scored $1.68 worth of Simple Green. I now have Bestine, Goo Gone, Goof Off, Citrus cleaner, Purple Grease remover and my personal favorite Ivory Liquid. We'll get back to this in a minute.

Issue #2. UV curing. Popular opinion is that if a print is 'sticky' then it needs more UV 'curing'. The wax makes it hard to tell if it's sticky. Does this sound about right?

Simple Green seems to be the most popular answer so Simple Green it is. I'll  test on the top of the floor first to be sure. Once I get the wax off I should be able to tell if the print is 'sticky'.

Dusty Burman

Re: LED headlight

Jim Betz
 

Don,
  This -may- be caused by a wire that is broken inside the insulation
but the insulation is not broken.  Very hard to diagnose.  If there is
something that is being done to/with the model such as taking it
on/off the track, separating loco from tender and then reconnecting
it ... etc. look at wires that are getting 'handled' every once in a
while but not every time you use it.  Could even be in a wire that
goes between tender and loco or something like that ... Jim B.

Re: LED headlight

Jim Betz
 

Sometimes you can turn headlight on and then wiggle the wire
(or wires) and discover which wire it is and what kind of
wiggling is required.

Re: Shapeways Prep Question

Dale Buxton
 

If that is true. Then the crystallization problem begins at at Shapeways. Because Shapeways clearly states on their web site in the area about the FUD (Frosted Ultra Detail plastic) production process that they use IPA (Iso Propyl Alcohol) as the first coarse in liquid cleansing of the FUD plastic. 

In any case, In my experience, sealing the surface of the FUD in primer or paint seams to stop the crystallization on the plastics surface.

Dale Buxton 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:06 PM Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Dale,
Several people reported crystal formation after using alchohol. The longer the soak or inadequate wash and rinse the worse the crystals.

Lee,
I went to Wally World this afternoon and scored $1.68 worth of Simple Green. I now have Bestine, Goo Gone, Goof Off, Citrus cleaner, Purple Grease remover and my personal favorite Ivory Liquid. We'll get back to this in a minute.

Issue #2. UV curing. Popular opinion is that if a print is 'sticky' then it needs more UV 'curing'. The wax makes it hard to tell if it's sticky. Does this sound about right?

Simple Green seems to be the most popular answer so Simple Green it is. I'll  test on the top of the floor first to be sure. Once I get the wax off I should be able to tell if the print is 'sticky'.

Dusty Burman

Re: A Trip on the EBT

Robert Grabau
 

All,
I am new to HOn3 railroading and the EBT in HOn3. Since I live just an
short trip to the 1:1 railroad, have visited it on more that one
occasion, and even had the rare chance to be an engineer on #15 (last
year she ran as a public excursion railroad), I have been bitten by the
narrow gauge bug. I found a brass #15 and 3 brass hopper cars, and
recently found some D&RGW passenger cars (close to what EBT has). Now I
would love to expand into more HOn3 EBT equipment, but there isn't any
out there. All of my brass equipment is unpainted and I will leave it
that way at least for now.

So I too would love to buy more EBT stuff, if only they would make it.
This portion of my railroad will have to wait, until I find more EBT
equipment to add to my collection.

Frustrated EBT railroader

On 1/10/2019 7:08 PM, Ric Case wrote:
Mark; I settled on the EBT as a railroad to model as the length of the whole thing was 33 miles.
I was able to get all the major towns and all the major mines in about an area of 1300 sq feet of bench work. The basement is only
1750sq ft. That leaves little area for walk way! You are correct everything pretty much has been scratched! Don’t really mind it but would be nice if one could get a new locomotive!
As the railroad had 1c19 I went to the point of getting ten along with
Eight k 27 !
I run them as daily operators and save the brass for special runs!
I know that there’s more than a few model EBT railroads but not sure where they are all located.
I would like to here from any and all EBT Modelers.
Here in the Cincinnati we have
Two very nice EBT railroads would like to know where there are any others! Let’s here from others.
Ric Case
EBT modeler
Hamilton Ohio
On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark Lewis <@MarkLewis <mailto:@MarkLewis>> wrote:

Ric, Nate:

That is the main issue in modeling the EBT or ET&WNC or a number of other interesting but small narrow gauge railroads.... not e
On Jan 10, 2019 9:21 AM, "Ric Case" <ebtmodeler@... <mailto:ebtmodeler@...>> wrote:

Nathan; unfortunately there are not enough modelers of the EBT to
warrant the run of enough trucks or cars to allow for a desired
profit margin in a timely fashion.
Production of a certain model or part for sale is related in whole
to the market.
They did us EBT modelers a great favor by producing the hopper and
trucks. But without new locomotives for new modelers the EBT will
always be a small part of the narrow gauge modeling world.
They would need firm orders for a couple of thousand pairs of
trucks to make it theasable for another run of trucks.
I did my best part by purchasing 75 hopper cars and many pairs of
trucks! I will need less than fifty more pairs to outfit the
rolling stock still on my work bench.
The likelihood of there being enough modelers to get another run
is very slim in my opinion!
Just my thoughts . I am still waiting on my K-28!
Happy modeling!
Ric Case
EBT modeler
Hamilton Ohio


On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:48 AM, NarrowMinded1
<@nmkline <mailto:@nmkline>> wrote:

Ric/all,

I was told if they get enough orders to do another run that they
would.

Nathan


"It is a great disappointment that BS is not making any more of the
Vulcan trucks! I have 75 of the hopper cars and 100 sets of the
trucks mounted on my kit bashed hoppers and other rolling stock!
Tried to order another 25 pair with no luck! I still need to
build fifteen more box cars and flats for the railroad.
No more to come due to the lack of purchase in a timely manner!
The old adage of supply and rotation of stock for funds!
At least they were able to give us a quality ready to run hopper
and great trucks once.
I also bought 50 of the D&RGW rolling stock to try to get them to
produce other products for the EBT.
One can only hope for a new locomotive for the EBT!
Ric Case
EBT modeler
Hamilton Ohio
513-375-7694"

--
Nathan M. Kline
McConnellsburg, PA 17233
--
Bob Grabau

http://www.astrohbg.org
http://www.cherrysprings.org

Our Star Party: June 14-17, 2018 Cherry Springs State Park, PA

Re: A Trip on the EBT

Ric Case
 

Robert I have purchased most of the kits from the friends Co. Store. Check them out!
Ric Case

On Jan 11, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Robert Grabau <ragrabau@...> wrote:

All,
I am new to HOn3 railroading and the EBT in HOn3. Since I live just an
short trip to the 1:1 railroad, have visited it on more that one
occasion, and even had the rare chance to be an engineer on #15 (last
year she ran as a public excursion railroad), I have been bitten by the
narrow gauge bug. I found a brass #15 and 3 brass hopper cars, and
recently found some D&RGW passenger cars (close to what EBT has). Now I
would love to expand into more HOn3 EBT equipment, but there isn't any
out there. All of my brass equipment is unpainted and I will leave it
that way at least for now.

So I too would love to buy more EBT stuff, if only they would make it.
This portion of my railroad will have to wait, until I find more EBT
equipment to add to my collection.

Frustrated EBT railroader



On 1/10/2019 7:08 PM, Ric Case wrote:
Mark; I settled on the EBT as a railroad to model as the length of the whole thing was 33 miles.
I was able to get all the major towns and all the major mines in about an area of 1300 sq feet of bench work. The basement is only
1750sq ft. That leaves little area for walk way! You are correct everything pretty much has been scratched! Don’t really mind it but would be nice if one could get a new locomotive!
As the railroad had 1c19 I went to the point of getting ten along with
Eight k 27 !
I run them as daily operators and save the brass for special runs!
I know that there’s more than a few model EBT railroads but not sure where they are all located.
I would like to here from any and all EBT Modelers.
Here in the Cincinnati we have
Two very nice EBT railroads would like to know where there are any others! Let’s here from others.
Ric Case
EBT modeler
Hamilton Ohio
On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark Lewis <@MarkLewis <mailto:@MarkLewis>> wrote:
Ric, Nate:

That is the main issue in modeling the EBT or ET&WNC or a number of other interesting but small narrow gauge railroads.... not e
On Jan 10, 2019 9:21 AM, "Ric Case" <ebtmodeler@... <mailto:ebtmodeler@...>> wrote:

Nathan; unfortunately there are not enough modelers of the EBT to
warrant the run of enough trucks or cars to allow for a desired
profit margin in a timely fashion.
Production of a certain model or part for sale is related in whole
to the market.
They did us EBT modelers a great favor by producing the hopper and
trucks. But without new locomotives for new modelers the EBT will
always be a small part of the narrow gauge modeling world.
They would need firm orders for a couple of thousand pairs of
trucks to make it theasable for another run of trucks.
I did my best part by purchasing 75 hopper cars and many pairs of
trucks! I will need less than fifty more pairs to outfit the
rolling stock still on my work bench.
The likelihood of there being enough modelers to get another run
is very slim in my opinion!
Just my thoughts . I am still waiting on my K-28!
Happy modeling!
Ric Case
EBT modeler
Hamilton Ohio


On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:48 AM, NarrowMinded1
<@nmkline <mailto:@nmkline>> wrote:

Ric/all,

I was told if they get enough orders to do another run that they
would.

Nathan


"It is a great disappointment that BS is not making any more of the
Vulcan trucks! I have 75 of the hopper cars and 100 sets of the
trucks mounted on my kit bashed hoppers and other rolling stock!
Tried to order another 25 pair with no luck! I still need to
build fifteen more box cars and flats for the railroad.
No more to come due to the lack of purchase in a timely manner!
The old adage of supply and rotation of stock for funds!
At least they were able to give us a quality ready to run hopper
and great trucks once.
I also bought 50 of the D&RGW rolling stock to try to get them to
produce other products for the EBT.
One can only hope for a new locomotive for the EBT!
Ric Case
EBT modeler
Hamilton Ohio
513-375-7694"

-- Nathan M. Kline
McConnellsburg, PA 17233

--
Bob Grabau

http://www.astrohbg.org
http://www.cherrysprings.org

Our Star Party: June 14-17, 2018 Cherry Springs State Park, PA


Re: A Trip on the EBT

Doug Cummings
 

Keep looking, especially keep an eye on the second hand web pages, that is where you will usually see them. You never know what will show up.

DEC


All,
I am new to HOn3 railroading and the EBT in HOn3. Since I live just an
short trip to the 1:1 railroad, have visited it on more that one
occasion, and even had the rare chance to be an engineer on #15 (last
year she ran as a public excursion railroad), I have been bitten by the
narrow gauge bug. I found a brass #15 and 3 brass hopper cars, and
recently found some D&RGW passenger cars (close to what EBT has). Now I
would love to expand into more HOn3 EBT equipment, but there isn't any
out there. All of my brass equipment is unpainted and I will leave it
that way at least for now.

So I too would love to buy more EBT stuff, if only they would make it.
This portion of my railroad will have to wait, until I find more EBT
equipment to add to my collection.

Re: A Trip on the EBT

Russ Norris
 

Hi Doug.  Always glad to welcome another EBT modeler.  You have already received a suggestion that you check out the Company Store, which is run by the Friends of the EBT.  They still have Blackstone hoppers, I believe, and a lot of other neat things.  As for buildings, about half of my structures are scratch built (often using plans from the Company Store) and the rest were built from White Ground kits.  White Ground has been out of business for years, but you can still occasionally find them on eBay -- search HOn3.  Same with Hallmark locomotives.  I have 14, 15, 16, 17 and 18 plus the M-1 motor car, almost all of which I found on eBay.  They're harder to find today, but keep looking.

Russ

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 1:04 PM Robert Grabau <ragrabau@...> wrote:
All,
I am new to HOn3 railroading and the EBT in HOn3.  Since I live just an
short trip to the 1:1 railroad, have visited it on more that one
occasion, and even had the rare chance to be an engineer on #15 (last
year she ran as a public excursion railroad), I have been bitten by the
narrow gauge bug.  I found a brass #15 and 3 brass hopper cars, and
recently found some D&RGW passenger cars (close to what EBT has).  Now I
would love to expand into more HOn3 EBT equipment, but there isn't any
out there.   All of my brass equipment is unpainted and I will leave it
that way at least for now.

So I too would love to buy more EBT stuff, if only they would make it.
This portion of my railroad will have to wait, until I find more EBT
equipment to add to my collection.

Frustrated EBT railroader



On 1/10/2019 7:08 PM, Ric Case wrote:
> Mark; I settled on the EBT as a railroad to model as the length of the
> whole thing was 33 miles.
> I was able to get all the major towns and all the major mines in about
> an area of 1300 sq feet of bench work. The basement is only
> 1750sq ft. That leaves little area for walk way! You are correct
> everything pretty much has been scratched! Don’t really mind it but
> would be nice if one could get a new locomotive!
> As the railroad had 1c19 I went to the point of getting ten along with
> Eight k 27 !
> I run them as daily operators and save the brass for special runs!
> I know that there’s more than a few model EBT railroads but not sure
> where they are all located.
> I would like to here from any and all EBT Modelers.
> Here in the Cincinnati we have
> Two very nice EBT railroads would like to know where there are any
> others! Let’s here from others.
> Ric Case
> EBT modeler
> Hamilton Ohio
>
>
> On Jan 10, 2019, at 12:35 PM, Mark Lewis <narrowrails12@...
> <mailto:narrowrails12@...>> wrote:
>
>> Ric, Nate:
>>
>> That is the main issue in modeling the EBT or ET&WNC or a number of
>> other interesting but small narrow gauge railroads.... not e
>> On Jan 10, 2019 9:21 AM, "Ric Case" <ebtmodeler@...
>> <mailto:ebtmodeler@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     Nathan; unfortunately there are not enough modelers of the EBT to
>>     warrant the run of enough trucks or cars to allow for a desired
>>     profit margin in a timely fashion.
>>     Production of a certain model or part for sale is related in whole
>>     to the market.
>>     They did us EBT modelers a great favor by producing the hopper and
>>     trucks. But without new locomotives for new modelers the EBT will
>>     always be a small part of the narrow gauge modeling world.
>>     They would need firm orders for a couple of thousand pairs of
>>     trucks to make it theasable for another run of trucks.
>>     I did my best part by purchasing 75 hopper cars and many pairs of
>>     trucks! I will need less than fifty more pairs to outfit the
>>     rolling stock still on my work bench.
>>     The likelihood of there being enough modelers to get another run
>>     is very slim in my opinion!
>>     Just my thoughts . I am still waiting on my K-28!
>>     Happy modeling!
>>     Ric Case
>>     EBT modeler
>>     Hamilton Ohio
>>
>>
>>     On Jan 9, 2019, at 1:48 AM, NarrowMinded1
>>     <nathan.kline83@... <mailto:nathan.kline83@...>> wrote:
>>
>>>     Ric/all,
>>>
>>>     I was told if they get enough orders to do another run that they
>>>     would.
>>>
>>>     Nathan
>>>
>>>
>>>     "It is a great disappointment that BS is not making any more of the
>>>     Vulcan trucks! I have 75 of the hopper cars and 100 sets of the
>>>     trucks mounted on my kit bashed hoppers and other rolling stock!
>>>     Tried to order another 25 pair with no luck! I still need to
>>>     build fifteen more box cars and flats for the railroad.
>>>     No more to come due to the lack of purchase in a timely manner!
>>>     The old adage of supply and rotation of stock for funds!
>>>     At least they were able to give us a quality ready to run hopper
>>>     and great trucks once.
>>>     I also bought 50 of the D&RGW rolling stock to try to get them to
>>>     produce other products for the EBT.
>>>     One can only hope for a new locomotive for the EBT!
>>>     Ric Case
>>>     EBT modeler
>>>     Hamilton Ohio
>>>     513-375-7694"
>>>
>>>     --
>>>     Nathan M. Kline
>>>     McConnellsburg, PA 17233


--
Bob Grabau

http://www.astrohbg.org
http://www.cherrysprings.org

Our Star Party: June 14-17, 2018 Cherry Springs State Park, PA



Re: A Trip on the EBT

Dave Phillips
 

Robert,

Here’s a direct link to the FEBT Company Store: https://www.febt.org/Costore

Dave Phillips
FEBT Company Store

Re: Shapeways Prep Question

Mike Conder
 

I have the same experience as Dale.  I've been washing with very warm soap & water, then hitting it with primer. So far, no issues. 

Got get me some Simple Greeen, though ...

Mike Conder

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 9:59 PM Dale Buxton <dbtuathaddana@...> wrote:
If that is true. Then the crystallization problem begins at at Shapeways. Because Shapeways clearly states on their web site in the area about the FUD (Frosted Ultra Detail plastic) production process that they use IPA (Iso Propyl Alcohol) as the first coarse in liquid cleansing of the FUD plastic. 

In any case, In my experience, sealing the surface of the FUD in primer or paint seams to stop the crystallization on the plastics surface.

Dale Buxton 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 8:06 PM Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:
Dale,
Several people reported crystal formation after using alchohol. The longer the soak or inadequate wash and rinse the worse the crystals.

Lee,
I went to Wally World this afternoon and scored $1.68 worth of Simple Green. I now have Bestine, Goo Gone, Goof Off, Citrus cleaner, Purple Grease remover and my personal favorite Ivory Liquid. We'll get back to this in a minute.

Issue #2. UV curing. Popular opinion is that if a print is 'sticky' then it needs more UV 'curing'. The wax makes it hard to tell if it's sticky. Does this sound about right?

Simple Green seems to be the most popular answer so Simple Green it is. I'll  test on the top of the floor first to be sure. Once I get the wax off I should be able to tell if the print is 'sticky'.

Dusty Burman

Re: Shapeways Prep Question

Robert Bell
 

I have soaked prints in Bestine, allowed to dry, and used a rattle-can of grey primer.  No issues with the primer.

Rob Bell 



Relettering Blackstone Coach

Dusty
 

I'd like to reletter a Blackstone coach. I'm thinking about removing the lettering with a fiber glass eraser followed by some wet 800 grit. I wonder about about totally removing the paint from the body so that future cars will match color. Has anyone disassembled the coach to install lighting, perhaps? Has anyone successfully removed the paint?

Thanks,
Dusty Burman 

Re: Relettering Blackstone Coach

Jeff Young
 

I’ve taken the roof off to weather the insides and install passengers.  I also touched up the roof paint after removing the electrical conduit, but I haven’t done anything to the green.

If I remember the roof is held on with clips but you can’t get to them — you just have to gently prise it off and then snap it back on afterwards.

Then again, my wife says my memory is crap, so take that with a grain of salt….

Cheers,
Jeff.


On 11 Jan 2019, at 23:12, Dusty <dustburm@q.com> wrote:

I'd like to reletter a Blackstone coach. I'm thinking about removing the lettering with a fiber glass eraser followed by some wet 800 grit. I wonder about about totally removing the paint from the body so that future cars will match color. Has anyone disassembled the coach to install lighting, perhaps? Has anyone successfully removed the paint?

Thanks,
Dusty Burman 

Re: Relettering Blackstone Coach

Art D3
 

Dusty I posted a formula to match Blackstone coach green several months back. Look in the messages tab for Matching BS Coach Green or follow the link below. Since this post I have used the formula on a LaBelle parlor car and am satisfied that even on a wood car it's a good match to Blackstone's color.

https://groups.io/g/HOn3/topic/matching_bs_coach_green/16225901?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,240,16225901



--
Art Dutra
Meriden, CT

Re: LED headlight

Mick Moignard
 

I’ve seen this issue before with Blackstone K27 locos.  A friend has one that blows the headlight LED occasionally.  I just pull out (gently) the circuit board from the headlight and replace the LED. Think I’ve done it twice already.  I guess the issue is elsewhere in the loco electronics or more likely that one of the wires is damaged on its way thru the loco. One place for that is actually where the two wires to the light pass by the gearbox and are held under clips on it.  If one of those wires gets nicked and squashed it might short to track power some where on the chassis and that overwhelms the LED.  I’ve not explored that far.  Another possibility is an occasional short to another wire in the loco/tender plug area, or if it is a first run loco, that the braided wires used in the plug are breaking down and shorting occasionally.  All fixable tho, with time and care.

Mick

________________________________
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m: +44 7774 652504
Skype: mickmoignard

, so please excuse the typos.

Re: Relettering Blackstone Coach

Mike Conder
 

Hmm ... makes me wonder if anybody has pinned down a similar Tamiya formula for the Blackstone red passenger cars?   A friend in England found a bottle of solvent-based red that's a dead ringer, but I've lost it and don't remember the name (maybe Railmatch LM Lake or LM Red?)

Mike Conder

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 5:26 PM Art D3 <apdutra3@...> wrote:
Dusty I posted a formula to match Blackstone coach green several months back. Look in the messages tab for Matching BS Coach Green or follow the link below. Since this post I have used the formula on a LaBelle parlor car and am satisfied that even on a wood car it's a good match to Blackstone's color.

https://groups.io/g/HOn3/topic/matching_bs_coach_green/16225901?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,240,16225901



--
Art Dutra
Meriden, CT

Books for sale reduced prices

Doug Boudakian
 

The Brown Book onHO  brass . Third edition. Soft cover . Like new . $14.

West Side Narrow Gauge in the Sierras by Malloy H. Ferrell. Signed by the author .1st edition 1979. Like new with dust cover. $32.

Narrow Gauge to the Redwoods The Story of the North Pacific Coast Railway and San Francisco Bay paddle wheel ferries. Hard cover. Fifth printing 1999. Like new with dust cover. $28.

Shipping extra
Doug Boudakian 
dboudrrtrain@...